The performance Michael Vick put on Monday night against the Redskins (on their turf, by the way) was one of the best in all of sports history.
Granted, it’s just one game. But, the fact is the Eagles are undefeated (4-0) when Vick stays healthy in the games he starts. In addition to getting his dangerous running ability back, Vick has worked his way into being the top rated QB in the league.
There is one thing I noticed more than any stat during Monday night’s game. Kick returner Jorrick Calvin fumbled during a return during the second half. Although he recovered the ball, on his way back to the sideline Vick gripped him by his jersey to let him know he needs to secure the ball better.
That was a much needed display of leadership which was a topic of concern heading into this season.
I originally was advocating Kevin Kolb as the starting QB. After all, that’s who the Eagles’ presented as the future and restructured his contract to keep him beyond this season.
It made no sense to play Vick if he’s not going to be in Philly after 2010. Now, it makes no sense to allow Vick to leave.
Kolb may become a productive, consistent starter in this league. But, neither he nor any other signal caller can bring the intangibles that Vick brings.
At the age of 30, Vick still has quite a few productive years left, especially when you consider how he’s matured as a pocket passer. If McNabb can get a 5-year deal, there’s no reason to give him at least that many.
With the overall performance Michael Vick has displayed this season, there’s no other direction to go. Sign the man as the face of the franchise because he’s already distinguished himself as such.
When Donovan McNabb was benched for Rex Grossman against the Detroit Lions two weeks ago, I stated that he would be a fool to re-sign with the Washington Redskins.
Yesterday, an announcement was made that McNabb signed a 5 year extension worth $78 million, $40 million of which was guaranteed.
I thought No. 5 would’ve been a fool to turn down that much guaranteed money. I was also curious as to why the Redskins would give that kind of contract to someone not conditioned to lead two minute drives.
Earlier today ESPN reported that McNabb’s new deal was designed to “only” pay him $3.75 million if he’s traded or released after this season.
I reverted back to my original thoughts on the former Syracuse Orangeman. He relinquished all control on his future to Dan Snyder and Mike Shanahan.
Meanwhile, in Donovan’s former town a few hours north of the District of Columbia, there’s a quarterback whose current team can ill-afford to let hit the free agency market.
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Nice stuff haran..Banner needs to get him signed ASAP…and I think as well he defined himself when he approached jorrick Calvin after his fumble..that shows u the #1 quality in what u want ur QB to be and that’s the leader of the ENTIRE TEAM..hes being a leader in all three phases O, D And special teams..I’m not sure I ever seen donovan be this way…I always see him patting his chest “my bad”..But this is an all new Vick..I love this Vick..He’s a man..and he’s ballin out N IF PHILLY DOESN’T RESIGN HIM NOW AND MAKE HIM THE FACE OF THE FRANCHISE (sorry Kolb ur aight n all but ur no mike vick cuz.) I WILL SELL ALL MY SEASON TICKS AND WASH MY EFFIN HANDS WITH THIS TEAM. IM A DIE HARD..BUT I WILL NOT STAND AROUND WIT MY THUMB UP MY AS ON SUNDAYS WATCHN AN AVERAGE QB GET POUNDED N LOSE EVERY WEEK..SIGN HIM N DJ ASAP.
“There is one thing I noticed more than any stat during Monday night’s game. Kick returner Jorrick Calvin fumbled during a return during the second half. Although he recovered the ball, on his way back to the sideline Vick gripped him by his jersey to let him know he needs to secure the ball better.”
I mentioned this on another post. After years of watching Roman Gabriel, Detner, Hoying and R. Peet, and Eagle coaches (one coach was so bad I have mentally blocked out his name to keep from killing myself thinking about him. I just remember he came from the Jets) figure out ways to lose a game that one play said it all about leadership and the lack of it from past QBs and coaches.
Rich Kotite. What a bum.
All the McNabb bashing is ridiculas. The Redskin defense gave up 51 pts. The offense scored 28.
McNabb is still one of the best deep ball throwers in the league. The Redskin coaching staff has to put talent around him that supports his strenth. The Redskin coaching staff stinks. They had 2 weeks to prepare for a home game and they were completely out coached. Who’s idea was it not to start Hansworth? Really? You have that much talent on defense?
McGiggles goofer balls and refusing to run more on 3rd and 1 pissed me off to the highest levels of pisstivity. But G. saying he looked like a scrub? His receivers can’t catch. Balls were flying off their hands. They don’t go after balls. The Eagles were smoking hot this week. Without the Refs the Colts game would have been a blowout too. By the way Manning threw a couple of picks in that game. I did’nt hear anybody calling him a scrub after the loss.
lm loving this and it hasnt been this much excitement since ai was here
he will get resigned its a no brainer
As Ive been saying for a year now G. What are we waiting for???????? I’m getting pissed. There is no sense in waiting to lock him in. Thats just stupid. Any QB in the league can get hurt, so if thats what theyre waiting to see if it happens, they’re being dumb. Sign Michael Vick now!!!!!! He deserves it!
AI.. are you kidding me..
What are the Eagles waiting on……. Sign this guy now!!! In just 4 games what he has done….. I’m sorry to say this to #5 fans but what vick has done this season……. Is more phenomenal than what i’ve seen in Donovan Mcnabb in the past few years……. I didnt say career but past few years….. He’s doing what Mcnabb should have done when he was a threat with his legs and arm…… Mcnabb took a real big holt on being a versatile weapon….. Vick took advantage and learn to be a better Qb….. In other words he listened to the personnel that made him the man he is today!!! GIVE HIM THE EXTENSION!!!!!
@bsm …
i posted something similar yesterday about G calling McNabb a scrub … glad to see one person with common sense on the same side as me!
also, the report about only #5 and only 3.5 guaranteed is ridiculous! once all the contract details come out, we’ll see that #5 will make much much more than that.
mancini we r from different cultures
i grew up in north philly i live in germantown
like i said its like ai all over im my parts of town
maybe u werent around when we had a parade on broad st just for winning the eastern conference finals
do u think that was because of the sixer or ai lol
we had a parade after the gm 1 of the finals like we won the finals
this is the type of excitement vick brings to alot of people
i stand by my statement
and be4 u slight ai do u see the reception he’s getting in turkey he’s a global icon/superstar so slight away he doesnt care
bars are flooded in my neighborhood to watch the games this yr its crazy
dudes who werent eagles fans are coming in with vick jerseys cheering like they were eagle fans all their life
its actually kind of funny to me its like certain groups of people are saying its ok to like the eagles now
sad very sad
LOL PhillyWill……. Its just hilarious!!! The comical world we live in…..
im just telling the truth
some people dont know
To PW,
I’ve been around a lived in a few Cities (Philadelphia,Indianapolis and Charlotte) and went to school and lived 4 years at Rutgers-Camden, so I am familiar with the culture you speak of. AI was a great player and a great personality for the Sixers who needed a star, but he or his team never reached their full
potential and AI never helped his own cause much to reach out for the casual basketball fan during his prime years in my eyes and his relationship with those outside his inner circle never seemed to be important to him which is kind of a shame looking back at it now.. His personality and selfishness turned off many fans like me and I’ll be honest, M Vick was very similar with his attitude to those outside his inner circle too back in his Falcon days..but Vick has matured and changed and all for the better which I fully support him as a person and as a player and I hope for AI’s sake that he is on the same path too and so was Flyers E Lindros and Phillies S Rolen,etc,etc.
What has always gotten under my skin is when I see tremendous athletes who do not work hard, who don’t improve themselves & their teammates or have that I don’t care attitude, and won’t repsect or listen to coaching,referees,or have respect to the game itself. Then as a fan, I am turned of by those players and I think they are many like me who feel the same way..
Play Hard,work hard, be a good teammate, be respectful and be appreciative for the abilities/talent that you have and at the end of the day, pass on some of the good fortune,experience and skills
back to others in who may be in need…I will put away my “Soap Box” for the remainder of the year
.
like i said pman
excitement is back like when ai is here
y u mentioning lindross rolen
im talking allen iverson1st ballot hof
i didnt ask u if u liked him or asked u for ur personal view of him idc
what i said was the truth the excitement is back in philadelphia again
bars in my neighborhood whcih were empty on sundays are suddenly overflowing
ppl who were never eagle fans r wearing vick jerseys on sundays
i wasnt asking u about championships or nothing
im saying we have a real superstar in town the 1st 1 since ai
u dont even fing live here y tf am i talking to u i live here all my life no other cities
i dont know other sities i know philly im from 9th and lehigh and thats what i know and i know right now no1 will miss a game its like a party when we play right now
and pman u will never be familiar with the culture i speak of
i have to change just to talk on here
and pman ur crazy the man ai started in the all star game last yr after barely playing lmao umm i think he has more fans than any1 u do like
and spare me the talking to ur son lecture be a good teamate blah blah
so again what the hell does ur response have to do with my original statement
vick has the city excited again like when ai was here
nothing
A few things to consider regarding the signing of Vick.
1. Because there is no CBA, Vick can’t be franchised.
2. There will likely be NFL games played next season.
The NFLPA has sought decertification since May 2009, and it will likely get the necessary 1,900 signatures to do so.
In 1987, the players association chose the same course of action, which eventually led to the “scab” games.
I still have fond memories of the Bounty Bowl, when Buddy Ryan had Jesse Small knock Luis Zendejas senseless. It was such a delight watching Zendejas walk towards the Eagles bench, thinking he was headed toward his own bench.
If the NFLPA decertifies, it would, in effect, cease to become a union. If the league then attempted to lockout the players, they could sue the NFL under U.S. antitrust laws.
As in 1987, it is likely that the battle will take place in court while play continues. The last time this happened, the Union and League played for 5 years without an agreement.
It should be noted that the players recently won a court battle that weakens the NFL’s stance that it operates as 32 separate entities and is therefore immune to anti-trust suits.
Here’s a good article on the subject:
NFL Labor Talks: What Does Union Decertification Mean for the NFL and NFLPA?
By Tom Dale (Steelers Featured Columnist) on October 7, 2010
Yesterday, the players on the Pittsburgh Steelers were the latest to join nine other teams in voting to decertify the National Football Leagues’ Players Association (NFLPA).
While the history of the NFLPA dates back into the 1950s, it was in the 1970s that the player’s union had the resources to engage the NFL in meaningful court actions to represent its constituents interests when necessary.
In 1987, the NFL and NFLPA reached an impasse while negotiating a new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA), resulting in the player’s union voting in the early spring to authorize a strike.
The response of the NFL’s owners was to move forward with the season by replenishing their rosters with players from the defunct United States Football League (USFL), college players who hadn’t made NFL teams, etc.
Additionally, about 15 percent of the union’s membership crossed the picket lines and returned to their teams. This is commonly referred to as the “scab” season in reference to those players who decided to participate in the season.
By the third week of the 1987 season, the player’s union realized that ownership was committed to it strategy of using replacement players, and voted to end the strike and return to their teams. That same day, the NFLPA filed an antitrust lawsuit (Powell v. NFL) which it won, but was ultimately overturned in 1989 on appeal by the NFL.
The appeals court judgment basically said that players had to pick between being a union and represented under labor laws, or to not unionize and pursue its antitrust rights as individuals.
That decision sets the stage for where we are today in the negations between the NFL and NFLPA.
The major issues in current CBA negotiations from the NFL’s perspective are free agency, a rookie pay scale, and player compensation. The NFLPA is looking for transparency into each team’s financial position to address these issues, and to gain a greater share of the NFL’s total revenues (particularly television).
Up until this past May, the NFL had little incentive to reach an agreement with the players, as it was awaiting what it believed to be a favorable legal decision from the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of American Needle v. NFL.
Had the NFL received a positive verdict in that case it would have a legal precedent that as a business it was a single entity and not a collection of 32 separate entities.
This precedent would give the NFL a much stronger position against any claims brought against it under the antitrust laws.
The bad news for the NFL was that it lost its case 9-0.
Therefore, with the NFL having a significantly weaker position to defend itself against antitrust claims, the union is in the process of decertifying itself to move its potential legal battles from the jurisdiction of labor laws to those covering antitrust.
This move will transition the players from a union to a “trade organization” designed to prevent the NFL from locking the players out as it did back in 1987.
Should the NFL attempt a lockout, the NFLPA could sue the league under antitrust laws that it was being subjected to a group boycott, which is illegal.
All of this is shaping up to be bad news for fans of professional football. Recently NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in responding to a question stated that, “If there is no union who you negotiate with, that is an issue.” Goodell went on to say, “They have to determine whether they are a union or not a union.”
If the the players decertify the NFLPA, or if some type of deal is not reached by the end of the current CBA in March 2011, look for this one to be fought in the courts and not on the football field.
GD, Drummer….. YOU wrote a damn essay!!!! You must have MUCHO time on your hands man!!!!
BSM
It was obvious that McNabb was playing without weapons. There were many dropped balls, two of which were intercepted. It reminded me of some of his years here in Philly. We led the league in dropped balls for years.
With that said, he’s only a shadow of his former self. With the lack of starting QBs in the league, there’s certainly a place for him, but this is a young man’s game. If I were him, I’d retire and enjoy my millions.
To Phillywill, Your are right man…….. I have peoples in Cheltenham PA, and Germantown PA, And they are just in real good spirits since Vick’s presence!!! Im from VA….. Home of the commonwealth the same laws as where your from…… And theres alot of Philly fans there as well and they are just rejoicing over the fact that Vick has done a 180 for this franchise and him self as well…… The money market for the town of Philly is going to be like how Lebron was with Cleveland…… i know Arthur Blank is tossing in turning in his bed at night now that Vick is the star of the NFL as of now…… People in ATL are still rooting for Vick to do well……… But the major thing is that he’s going to do well for PHILLY…… THATS WHATS UP…………..
I just read that Vick can be franchised. I’ve read that he can and that he can’t. I don’t know which is correct.
Here’s another article on the subject:
Eagles face big dilemma with Vick
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2010, 1:23 PM EST
Monday night’s memorable performance from Eagles quarterback Mike Vick has sparked plenty of discussion and debate regarding Vick’s short-term and long-term football future.
Chris Mortensen of ESPN believes that Vick will be an Eagle in 2011, either with a long-term contract or the one-year franchise tag. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Vick camp already is bracing for the possibility of the franchise tag.
In the end, don’t be shocked if that’s precisely what the Eagles do.
As one league source observed, “Vick’s contract value despite the hype will be tempered by the fact that all he has to do is breathe in the wrong direction and he will be suspended for life.” Though Vick currently is firmly within the redemption phase of his career, the concern is a legitimate one. Still on federal probation after a six-year lifestyle of gambling and dogfighting was discovered accidentally by authorities in 2007, Vick escaped potentially big trouble earlier this year after former dogfighting partner and convicted felon Quanis Phillips attended Vick’s 30th birthday party — and was shot by an unknown assailant after the party ended.
That incident occurred during Vick’s first offseason as a former superstar whose best days were behind him. In 2011, Vick will be a superstar all over again. Will he be able to properly navigate the challenges that will come with it, including a younger brother who seems at times to be determined to drag Mike back into a lifestyle of arrogance and reckless excess?
For the Eagles, it’s a gamble that could be too big to take, especially since the current labor deal protects players from having to pay back any bonus money unless they have intentionally held out or retired. Going to jail, for now, doesn’t permit a term to recover a single penny paid.
In contrast, relying on the franchise tag (which possibly won’t exist under the next labor deal but most think still will) will give the Eagles what they need most.
Time.
Time to see whether the new labor deal will allow teams to get money back from players who get suspended or incarcerated. Time to see whether opposing defenses will figure out how to stop the new Vick. Time to see whether the new Vick will become the old Vick once the praise and attention returns.
If, in the end, the Eagles apply the franchise tag and Vick runs afoul of the terms of his probation or of his reinstatement to the NFL, the Eagles will be out not a dime, since a franchise player gets his money in the form of games checks. If he’s not around to play, he won’t get paid.
Under this approach, the Eagles also would keep Kevin Kolb into 2011, since Kolb will be the insurance against the new Vick becoming the old Vick.
So even though Mike Vick has become better than he ever was and even though he is now firmly in the MVP debate, don’t assume that he’ll get the kind of long-term deal paid to the likes of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Sure, a long-term deal is possible, if Vick’s demands are reasonable. But Vick and the Eagles likely will having different views of what “reasonable” is, with Vick focused on his performance and the Eagles obsessed with the potential problems that will arise — especially if Vick were to enter the 2011 offseason with his bankruptcy debts paid off and plenty of other money in his pocket.
Jroc
I type 120 wpm. It didn’t take long. The rest is just copy and paste.
@Drummer………. Mcnabb’s choice not to get traded but to go to Washington was on Mcnabb…… And Mcnabb’s machanics have been horrible for the past years….. Yes they dont have the weapons at WR but he had them in Philly and still no RING!!!! You cant use that for an excuse about Mcnabb anymore (no disrespect on your view)! I just think that Mcnabb has lost it….. I know Jason Campbell is laughing his ass off and saying to him self “it wasnt me all along”!!! Mcnabb’s judgement had him traded…….. And we all seen that!!!!
Drummer 120wpm….. Mannnnn! Your a beast man!!!
Jroc
I agree that it was McNabb’s choice to go to Washington. I wanted him to go to the Raiders.
I also agree that McNabb has faults as a QB. However, he was a 6-time pro bowler who played with garbage. And if I recall, none of the players on those teams has a ring. In fact, Andy Reid has no ring. Trent Dilfer has a ring. Was he better than McNabb?
If you go back and look at Superbowl XXXIX, you’ll see that the “team” did nothing. Westbrook did nothing. The defense did nothing. Richard Seymour owned Hank Fraley. No QB can succeed with pressure coming directly up the middle. McNabb was getting the snot knocked out of him from the very first play. In the meantime, Tom Brady’s jersey stayed clean throughout the game.
If you want to blame McNabb, that’s fine, but I disagree. I’m wondering. Did you say the same when Kolb had no protection or did you fault the offensive line?
I really think that this is a defining moment for the Birds FO….If they sign Mike and continue to win games I think they could grab back the fan base that has been lost to the Phils….EVERYBODY LOVES A WINNER
thats all i was saying jroc thank you
we have a legit superstar like a real 1
and we havent had 1 since ai dr j
mcnabb aint done
he didnt really play that bad
if he played vs any other qb on our team 28 wins that game
they won with 17 last time
u guys arent even looking at the fact that he played 11 yrs in 1 system and now is in a new 1 and every 1 says shenahans is 1 of the most complex to learn.
now u know i love mike vick but if mike vick was in washington this yr i know for sure 100% we wouldnt being seeing a clinic every week like we have been watching here. #7 had all last yr to soak in the offense kolb had 4 or 5yrs to soak it in
if u put either kolb or vick in wash they wouldnt be having great yrs this yr
u may not see as many dirtballs but fact is they r playing with a 5th string rb no oline and 39 yr old wideouts i dont care if brady is there he wouldnt be putting up pro bowl stats right now
cmon u guys know football
and just to ring a bell
i heard most of u screaming vick was done
my own best friends told me he was done last yr i said how u know from qb draws and qb sprints
how can u tell from gadget plays
i told him stop listening to reporters lol
but clearly mike vick aint done is he?
PMAN-Philly is not NC.. im just saying. as always on this blog…. you 2 are not talking about the same thing. Everyone is quick to talk and slow to listen to what others are saying (myself as well). AI was like a philly fan who was thrown on the court…. he played for us..(really himself but it Looked like he was playing for us). He brought and energy… a swagger. In the same way… Vick seems to be playing for us (again… himself) but he seems like one of us. Bottom line….. win.
i think thats what will is saying. am i wrong will?
jroc, stop it with the McNabb bashing. He’s not here anymore. Lastly, what does Jason Campbell have to do with anything? He didn’t play under Mike Shanahan? At least when Campbell played there they had one of the best defenses in the league for a couple years. Now they don’t have that either. Just stop it with the comparisons because they don’t make a lot of sense. If that was the case one could argue that Mcnabb would be having a much better year if he still played here in the same system that he was in his whole career with these weapons. Not saying better than Vick but just better than what he is playing now. But again that type of comparison is useless.
thanx stevo
pretty much the same thing
i was just mentioning the excitement it brings
the whole aura of a superstar
its like a party on gameday right now
and im seeing it first hand in my neighborhood so i mentioned it
and u r right it was like a philly dude on the court for us and i am feeling that same type deal for vick
good comparison stevo
Some of you guys act like McNabb has been playing for the past 5 years like he’s playing now. Didn’t this team set several offensive franchise records last year? Is he on the downside of his career? Of course, but to say someone is “done” because they have had a bad 1st half of a season on a bad team, new team in a different system with no very good skilled players and a weak offensive line is a bit over the top.
PW
McNabb didn’t play bad at all. He tried to mount a comeback early int he 2nd quarter. There were dropped passes and no running game.
Here’s a question. Do you think Vick could have had this type of performance with Torrance Smalls, James Thrash, etc., or for that matter with Washington’s current receiving corps?
i agree drum or better yet
u think vick woulda put up 60 throwing to some guy named arstrong (whom i never heard of be4 this yr and i know damn near every1) santanna who has lost all his speed and become a 5-7 possesion wr and a 39 yr old slot wr who at 39 is probabaly the fastest guy on o for them
not to mention practice squad rb’s
look idc bout washington nor d5 but we all know football
take everything into account be4 u spew venom lol
Phil, you have to consider the”28″ in context of “59”
numbers and stats can mislead,some use them like a drunk uses a lamp post, for support, but not for illumination
You guys all know that I was a big McNabb supporter and I will continue to like him as a player and some of the comments about him being done are just dumb, but make no mistake about it, he didn’t play that well on Monday. I mean he didn’t get a lot of help either but I will say the same thing about him that I said about Kolb against the Titans. When the other team’s offense is scoring at will on your defense, you have to sustain drives. Yes, a couple passes were dropped, but he missed a couple as well. Not that’s not unusual for him or any other QB in the league but like I said about Kolb, he didn’t make a play either. And I agree, he’s playing with a bunch of garbage players down there but he threw behind his receivers or too high like he’s always done. It’s not all his fault but I just want to be consistent with him as I was when the Titans was abusing our defense. We talked about how Kolb didn’t make plays, which was true, but it’s the same for McNabb. When you go 0-10 on 3rd down, that’s not just the skilled players fault.
Having said that, I don’t think he’s done as some over the top people on here are saying. I just think it’s not a good situation for him and at this point in his career he needs to be put in a place where they have almost everything in tact in order for him to play very well. And that’s what usually needs to happen as QBs get older. Though McNabb aren’t as good as these guys, look at how Warner and Favre (at least for 1 year) were resurrected when they game into a situation that just needed a QB. Not saying this will be McNabb but you really can’t count out too many QB, especially when they were pro bowl players as done until they are actually done. It still baffles me why he would even sign an extension there. With teams like the Vikings, Cardinals, 49ers, even Chicago (because Cutler is brutal) potentially needing an upgrade at QB for a deep playoff run, he probably could have landed in a more ideal spot.
As far as signing Vick, I think it’s a good idea, but I’m curious how he (and the Eagles) respond after falling more than a score behind or after a loss. You could argue that some of this has already happened, but not entirely all on his watch. The Eagles look and act like a dominant team when he’s out there, though, and he’s FUN to watch live. When I saw him against the Jags, he was great, but there were definite periods of hot and cold with the offense. I think we should at least see him play the Giants and Cowboys before making him an offer.
There are layers to the truth to the whole McNabb signing that people just don’t seem to write about. He got a $3.85 million bonus this year on top of his current salary ($15 mil, I think). He could be playing for another team next year, or get $15 or so mill for next season if he’s kept on the Skins roster next year. Also, if he gets a career ending injury, he gets $25 mil. Those conditions aren’t that bad, especially when you consider that there will be a number of teams next year (Vikes, Cards, Lions) that might give McNabb a shot. It doesn’t take a blind man to see that the Skins are not loaded at skill positions offensively.
grifft, it is not necessary to wait til after the Giants game. What will it prove? If you lose, you still should resign him, period. While being blown out by the Packers and the comeback he was able to start was remarkable. And did you forget that we were already losing to the Colts? How’d that turn out? Vick has ice water in his veins. He has killer instinct as well. All the intangibles you need in a QB, he had them so you do not have to wait any longer to resign him. Especially when Kevin Kolb is the alternative. I didn’t hear to many Kolb supporters wondering how he will deal with pressure and stuff. They didn’t care. Just start him because we don’t like McNabb and can’t stand Vick. Vick needs a contract like yesterday. I don’t care who you are you’ll be hard pressed to find many QB performances like that on the road. It was impressive because even the worst of teams in the league do not get dissected like that Just stop it.
Grifft
Whether they fall behind or not, he’s thrown “zero” picks. Despite a porous offensive line, he is the No. 1 quarterback in the league. No. 1
As for the hot and cold, could that possibly have anything to do with play-calling. As I recall, each time the offense has bogged down, it’s been Vick who revived it.
If Kolb’s play even remotely approached Vick’s, the whole town would be screaming to sign him. Vick is rated No. 1 in the league and you say wait?
Sorry it got away from me.
drummer, these “skeptics” are ridiculous. They see Kolb for 2 games last year and ready to give him the key to the city and name it the “Kolb era”. Vick is undefeated when he plays and have done it against quality teams and not to mention the Colts who we have never beaten under Andy and one of the most memorable QB performances ever and yet still skeptical? I will never get that.
Why sign him when he’s just set an NFL record if you hold all rights to him all season? If he can only increase his value, then you have the benefit of having exclusivity on an elite player.
You would be hard pressed to have a performance like Monday’s, I agree. No one’s ever done it before, and the fact that he has the potential to do it again makes signing him seem like a no-brainer. But business decisions that are based on emotion almost exclusively fail. We lose absolutely no standing or bargaining power by signing him in a month, or right before the playoffs. Hopefully during our bye week… 🙂
I’m not trying to champion Kolb, BTW. I was pissed when McNabb was traded, and nothing that I’ve seen from Kolb has proven my initial reaction that he’s a high middle tier QB (could be 12-14th best in the league on average). Vick is playing like a #1, and he doesn’t have anything else to prove to me that he deserves to start as long as he’s in our uniform (hopefully 3-4 more years). I’m not going to tell the Eagles that they shold focus on signing Vick over gameplanning for the Giants, however.
btw phillwill.. that was one of the tough parts with Mcnabb… people felt like he was one of the coaches and not playing for us. I think its a bunch of crap and it bothers me that people care about that stuff but whatever…. those days are over.
Guys…. we all want him in midnight green for years to come. you people are seriously fighting over when we make that happen. I want it now because i dont trust this FO after the Dawk screw up but….. it really makes no sence to do it today. If something happens and vick collects a brinks truck of money and doesnt play (injury or jail), we seriously hurt our team for eons. They should be smart… offer a fair deal that has clauses in it for birthday parties and such. Lets do it right.
Gifft
What’s game planning got to do with signing a player? The Eagles sign players during the season all the time.
drummer,
It doesn’t affect the game plan, it affects the focus of the player and any staff involved. The front office signs players during the year, but it’s usually around the bye so that players and coaches can focus on what’s important.
How do we know how hungry Vick will be after he signs a new contract? How much focus will he need to take to review a contract, discuss the implications, review negotiating points with his agent, and then how much focus will he have on his work while he waits for contract information? Will he or his brother try to throw a party to celebrate the new contract?
None of us really know those answers because Vick has not been in the position that he’s in now before – he was in something close (where he had nothing to lose), and he almost lost it all. His current behaivor indicates that he will handle this much better the second time around, and I think he will, for what that matters. I will not, however, be foolish enough to just assume that there’s no possibility of something bad happening again. It’s going to be a long negotiation because of the circumstances of Vick’s play, his standing in the league, his probation, etc.
The more crucial question to be answered is: why can’t this wait until after we’re done with the toughest part of our schedule if there’s no additional benefit to his being signed today?
It doesn’t matter if Vick is signed later, because he knows there is no way Reid and the Eagles will let him go. He’s no longer a backup QB in Philly. It’s quite obvious he’s totally focused on doing the best he can for this team irregardless of his financial future. He’s very comfortable with the coaches and teammates around him. One could safely say he’s “on a mission” and has blinders on to distractions.