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My Thoughts Eagles/Giants

I’m not exactly sure where to start. After the Eagles monumental comeback against the New York Giants on Sunday, I couldn’t text or call anyone. I didn’t know what to say. I was speechless. Just what exactly can you say after the Eagles dropped four touchdowns on a high-quality division opponent on the road in less than eight minutes? I think it was as surreal for Eagles fans as it was for Giants fans, who watched their 21-point fourth quarter lead melt away like candle wax.

It had to be like a bad dream for the Giants. The kind where you can’t run no matter how hard you try. I don’t know what it is about Eagles/Giants games in New Jersey, but something funky always happens. I’m still sitting here with my jaw on the ground.

But, let’s look at the game:

What I liked…

-I like that Michael Vick can play three quarters or so with absolutely zero of his magic, and then turn it on at a moment’s notice. The offense was dead and lifeless for almost the entire game and then it was like a hot knife through butter. Every time they kept showing his stats, they were awful. 70-or-so yards with an INT. And then you look at the end of the game and he’s thrown for 242 yards, three TD’s, ran for 130 yards and ran one in. Once he started running, the Giants might as well have gone home. They were the kind of runs that not only get you a lot of yardage, but absolutely deflate a defense.

-But, let’s emphasize that a little more. How big was the third-and-10 run from underneath the shadows of his own goal posts at the end of the game? You almost have to feel sorry for any opposing defense because you just can’t defend that (then again, why is Aaron Ross blitzing to the inside there? Don’t you have a TV at home? Ever seen this guy before?).

-As my buddy, my cousin and I sank into the couch watching this debacle, I’m proud to say that when the Eagles were still down by 14, I said, “Don’t forget we got the Miracle at the Meadowlands stuff that tends to happen.” Of course it fell on deaf ears, no one wants to hear that stuff when your team is in the midst of a good ol’ fashioned. But, yes, we have the Miracle at the Meadowlands III. First it was Herman Edwards, then Brian Westbrook in 2003….now this (you can include Clyde Simmons’ FG return in OT in 1988 if you like).

-I love how the Eagles bottled up the run for the most part. Not only are the Giants a run-first team, but they played with a hefty lead the entire game. Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs combined for 100 yards. When you are trying to choke a team out? That’s no good.

-The wheels really came off of Eli’s wagon at the end, huh? He was brilliant all day, and then he was way off target to finish the game.

-I hate watching him gash the Eagles, but I am a huge Hakeem Nicks fan.

-And how good is Justin Tuck? From a football point of view I hate this, but from an Eagles point of view it was great. Why on Earth would you have Tuck, who has been up in Vick’s face all day, drop back into coverage on Brent Celek? Watch Celek’s TD again and look who the underneath guy is. Why?

-I know I say this all the time and it’s only because I mean it. How good is David Akers? Strong kickoffs, pinpoint accuracy on field goals, and one of the best onside kicks I’ve ever seen. Yes, the end result was brilliant because the Giants’ ignored Tom Coughlin’s memo to watch for the onside kick and it looked like child’s play. But that kick was spot on. I’ve watched other kickers these past few weeks demonstrate their skills at it and it’s horrific. If Akers airmails that ball into the sideline then we aren’t talking about how great this game was today.

-I’m thinking Colt Anderson was a great find. One of the few guys that does something on kickoff coverage.

-Jason Avant does it all. Once he popped Zak DeOssie on DeSean’s punt return, the rise in Joe Buck’s voice told the story of the Giants’ demise. Avant pretty much never will get the Monday headlines, but he’s a crucial cog in the wheel.

-DeSean tried to do the right thing at the end of the run. I know people want to say he was showboating, but I have to believe that in a game like this, he really was trying to make sure the clocks were at zero. I guess I can’t blame people for assuming that he was showing off, he does have a propensity for it.

-I’m coming around on Moises Fokou.

-I liked that I was able to go back and DVR the fourth quarter (I hadn’t changed the channel and it let me go back. In general, I hate this DVR, it’s crap). I watched the fourth quarter again last night around midnight. And you really have to go back and do that to really remember the despair. It was awful. I felt that “this entire team was not ready to play today” feeling all over again. The win is so amazing when you consider the feeling of the first three and a half quarters.

…and not so much…

-I apologize in advance that this section will be pretty long considering how great of a win this was. But for all but about eight minutes of game time, the Eagles were thoroughly outclassed by a very good Giants team.

-I spoke too soon. I was telling my friend before the game how happy I was with the play of Dimitri Patterson. He was absolutely garbage on Sunday. He was getting lit up all over the place.

-And what was with the first-half defense? In general in football, if you can stay in third-and-manageable, you are in good shape. And if you are in third-and-long situations, you are probably screwed. The Eagles had the Giants in third-and-way-too-much for most of the first half and couldn’t get off the field. C’mon.

-I don’t have strong enough words for what happened at the end of the first half. Anyone that blames Jeremy Maclin is missing the point. You have about 80 yards to go with 40-some seconds on the clock. It is not happening! No good can come of throwing a 10-yard slant to Maclin. The upside simply does not exist. You are down 17-3. Take the ball and go into the locker room. I was yelling at the television as soon as they lined up with a real play. Take a knee. This was beyond brainless and could have (should have) cost you a football game. Stupid. And I thought it was stupid before disaster struck.

-I don’t blame Andy Reid for not challenging the DeSean Jackson fumble. There is no way that he was getting good information. I would love to know who is in charge of seeing that replay and communicating with Reid. Awful. That’s a huge play at the end of a game. What did he have to lose? One of his precious timeouts that he takes such poor care of on a week-to-week basis? The only thing I blame Reid for is not throwing the flag just on a wild guess considering the magnitude of the play. Someone has to do a better job of telling Reid to throw the flag, and I’m not exactly sure who it is.

-The offensive line annoyed me pretty well Sunday, but I do have to remember that the Giants front four isn’t filled with a bunch of bums.

-Jamar Chaney….what are you doing? That offsides penalty was just plain dumb, and why did you peel off of Kevin Boss and let him run into the back of the end zone? Not his fault that he’s a rookie, but dude….c’mon.

-Another safety is out? Awesome. Getting pretty thin back there after Nate Allen busted a tendon in his knee.

-Can we do anything about kickoff returns? Jorrick Calvin just isn’t the guy and I don’t believe there is anyone on this roster that can do it. Starting every drive at the 21-yard line is a huge disadvantage when…

-…Your kickoff coverage can’t pin anyone. Other teams are starting at the 35-yard line and the Eagles start at their own 20. That’s a big problem.

-I don’t like that people are blaming Matt Dodge for losing the game. Are you people brainless? You give up a 21-point lead with less than eight minutes to play and you are blaming a rookie punter that – sadly – everyone knows isn’t very good to begin with. You could even argue that if DeSean fields that punt cleanly that he would have been dead to rights. Still, what would the Giants have paid Sean Landeta to come out for just one last punt?

-I don’t understand how Jonathan Goff could be so careful with Vick on the sidelines on one play (he clearly pulled up and didn’t want to shove him out of bounds) and then some two plays or so later give him an all-out blast while he had almost two full feet in the white. Cautious and stupid all over the course of a few plays.

-What’s with all the batted balls at the line of scrimmage? That’s pretty annoying.

-Mario Manningham is a very talented player, but he’s also a chowderhead. How do you not take better care of the football at that point? He handed the Eagles a turnover. It should also be noted that several Giants beat writers have said that Manningham drives Eli nuts. Apparently, he struggles with option routes and isn’t always doing what he’s supposed to be doing. That was apparent on that play. Focus, dude.

Okay, I’ll lay off of this for now. I have to. The entire NFL now has to think, ‘at what point is this team really out of a game?!’ I think it’s safe to say that we’ll all remember where we were when we watched (or didn’t watch….I know some people like to head to the garage or outside for yard work when it gets this bad) the Miracle at the Meadowlands III. I don’t care that it’s a new stadium, why let facts get in the way of a good narrative?

Micah Warren

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SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 20, 2010 2:08 pm

Micah?

I’m your first commentor for a reason…

You were adamant about Kolb being the starting quarterback and claimed it’s wrong for Reid to start Vick when he didn’t know what he had in his young quarterback.

Before you get on Vick’s sack…….don’t you think you owe the fanbase an article speaking to your jounalistic incompetency a few weeks back?

I’m just saying

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 2:11 pm

The Westbrook one was not part 2. It was a great play but doesn’t qualify as a miracle because that wasn’t a game where you were getting blown out. We have never referred to that as the “miracle… part 2” and I’m not sure why it is now. It was one of those funky things but no miracle.

And yes we know you’re a Nicks fan with the way you repeated bashed Maclin last year and pumped up Nicks. Pretty obvious. No one goes that far out of the way to hype up someone on a division rival team.

I agree with you about Patterson. And when looking bad the defenses biggest problem was giving up 3rd down conversions. But look at this, the interception they got on Vick, the Maclin fumble and Jackson fumble all gave the Giants very good field position while our offense was doing squat. When you’re playing a team as good as the Giants you can’t give them that field position and expect to shut them down especially not this defense. Should have been 17-3 at halftime and we only allowed 7 points in the 2nd half. We gave up some plays and 3rd down conversions but when you look back, the defense had an uphill battle all game.

Batted ball are a combination of penetration, Vick’s height, his side arm throw and smart Giant defenders. Eli had several passes knocked down too and he’s like 6’4 right?

greenfan
greenfan
December 20, 2010 2:12 pm

Micah, in general I thought Chaney played well, yeah the offsides was stupid, but overall I thought he did a real good job in a pressure situation. I thought both he and Fouku played well.

Anyone think about the play of Graham this year when they watch Pierre-Paul? He was available when we took Graham, and I believe rated higher by most “experts” (not sure what he rated at on the Paulman board however). Just a thought, that guy’s size and raw ability would look real good on our line.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 2:13 pm

Songs, you know “journalist” do not apologize or admit they were wrong. They just rip players and move on. Very few actually have journalistic integrity to admit that they completely misread something. They will justify it by claiming they were apart of a majority that felt the same way and blah blah blah

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 2:20 pm

don’t you think you owe the fanbase an article speaking to your jounalistic incompetency a few weeks back?
hahahahahahahahhaah classic
no songs he will just claim no1 could have possibly seen this coming and in no way could we think vick is good blah blah blah
thats about as far as it goes to admiiting ur wrong
try to say no 1 else knew either lol

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 2:25 pm

it shouldnt have even been 17-3 it should have been 10 -3
reid should have challeneged the 3rd and 11 to nicks ball obviously wasnt caught i cant believe no1 has been talking about that challenege too
can i get a job andy watchn replays wtf

jroc757
jroc757
December 20, 2010 2:29 pm

@Philly Will….. LOL….. I feel you bro…… How many times did they show that replay of AR… Putting that challenge flag in his pocket……. About 10 times……. I was going HAM at the t.v screen……..
The score should have been different….. Besides through all the years AR use to challange stuff that wasnt suppose to be even Challenged (Horrible and terrible bad Challenges)…… But now he’s been Gun SHY as of late…… It could have caused us the game….. But with this team……. SKY IS THE LIMIT…….

greenfan
greenfan
December 20, 2010 2:31 pm

PW…who’s job is that anyway? Is it Doug Pederson the QC coach? I was flipping out with that Nicks no-catch too, but the DJax fumble was the one that sent me over the edge. At least Reid immediately said that he had “goofed”, but we all know that if Vick & DJax had not pulled this one out we would be calling for his head. Who is upstairs giving him direction on those? Hell, he would do better with a direct feed from the telecast, they gave him more direction then the coaches in his own booth!!

Rocko
Rocko
December 20, 2010 2:39 pm

You’re exactly right songs… I remember when Micah was all on Kolb’s “sack” because my last words after his article and dislike for Vick were; MICAH, YOU STINK BUDDY. I remember it well. Though I haven’t been commenting lately because of other priorities, I’ve been reading these articles daily and when I read his article last week concerning Vick and the team; the tone for Vick has changed. Stay true to your team Micah (if you’re really an eagle fan), people dislike flimflammers.

mimitaro
mimitaro
December 20, 2010 2:39 pm

Greenfan, im starting to question our drafting abilities in comparison to the giants. We took Maclin while Nicks was on the board. We moved up to get Graham while Pierre Paul was on the board. And then we took Nate Allen who seems to be a tad overrated so far. I know its early in their careers but cmon..

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 2:39 pm

i knew they would score after we didnt challenge the 1st 1 to nicks i could see that 1 live the ball was juggled i didnt know if it hit ground till replay but i was pissed
the 2nd 1 put me over the top i left i couldnt even watch anymore my phone flooded with texts from fugazze ny fans
i get to italian bistro its 31-17 and we r kicking off we get onside kick
hostess comes to me like 2? im like no bar now lol
greatest nite ever maybe i should leave more often

paulman
paulman
December 20, 2010 2:41 pm

A pretty good source of mine (from the Cheerleading sqaud) said that “Vinnie the Victor” was responsible for relaying booth replays to Coach AR … just sayin…

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 2:42 pm

jroc ur absolutely right andy tosses the challenge flag with no word from upstairs any other time that was just unreal
we need to leave him alone with his challenge criticsm we made him gunshy like u said
that was crazy

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 2:42 pm

make sense now thanx pman

Rocko
Rocko
December 20, 2010 2:47 pm

Not to happy about Allen getting injured and done for the year but glad Coleman is getting the starting nod, he’s a beast.

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 2:50 pm

coleman certainly plays with intensity and heart
i can live with that for sure

jroc757
jroc757
December 20, 2010 2:53 pm

Rocko… Rocko…… Coleman is a guy who WR’s have to take a glance at……. They will fear catching the ball around this guy…… We need an Attitude in the backfield….. And he’s not afraid to go heads up with a Big RB…… Something I question about Nate Allen sometimes……

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 20, 2010 2:57 pm

Here’s another reality….

Nate Allen needs surgery on a patella tendon….He’s mot an intimidating force and with this surgery will lose speed.

Coleman needs to step up and maybe we can get a serious player next year. A lot of good ones are coming out.

jroc757
jroc757
December 20, 2010 3:00 pm

Is it me or is our LATE PICKS come up big this season………. Daniel Teonesiem haven’t seen a thing with him…. B. Graham….. Could be good….. Needs work……. But will be solid…… Nate Allen is good….. Question his tackling abilities…….

With Chaney, Colemen, Lindley,and Riley Cooper…….. man what a way for the birds to draft guys who not only can produce now…… But Future as well……..

jroc757
jroc757
December 20, 2010 3:04 pm

Dixon was a hell of a free-agent pick….. He’s young….. And will take Brodrick Bunkley’s spot at DT……. I’ll argue that with anyone…….. He’s do for a contract this season……. And he’s made Patterson Step up and produce as well……. But he has made an improvement on that line……. Moises Fouko what a difference he is compared to Jordan……. He is smart and can be physical when needed…….. Sims was solid yesterday as well……

wmonell
wmonell
December 20, 2010 3:10 pm

LIKE: CHANEYS 16 TACKLES.
i guarantee he remains the starting MLB for next season as well, if not as a stable force on the defense.
i like to predict and call things early, but this one is far too obvious.
he makes mistakes, but he is a rookie drafted in the 7th round, the last round that is…

we never have LBs that rack up and tally tackles.
if bradley can stay healthy he will move back to SAM, he is a good player and leader when healthy
im not quite sure about the WILL.
i wouldnt doubt we sign somebody or look for a starter through the draft…
but i guess sims or jordan arent bad choices, im ok with that

i do have to mention dimitri patterson
guys, he has done a great job this season, def. better than hobbs or anybody would have expected
he is a good player that takes risks, and is young in terms of our defense
what DB doesnt have a bad game or 2 throughout a season?
he is learning on the fly and making plays, dont think many ppl can stop hakeem nicks

sorry to get off topic a lil bit i just think chaney deserves kudos being thrown in the fire
he led the team in tackles both games he has played, and last week he didnt even start

greenfan
greenfan
December 20, 2010 3:15 pm

wmonell…I am leaning in that direction too, but we need to see more from Chaney. More then 3 or 4 games. I like the LB’s with Chaney at Mike, Bradley at Sam and Fouku at Sam….keep Sims and Jordan and backups….

Rocko
Rocko
December 20, 2010 3:17 pm

Yeah Jroc, I watched Coleman every time he steps in and he’s a “Headbanga”. Dude has some serious “Dawkish” attitude in his hits; I agree, our late picks have come up big this season. Regarding the article on patterson getting burned for 3 TD’s is a little troublesome because it reminded me of Sheldon getting burned by Plaxico during their time within the NFC east division. Hopefully Patterson will learn from it though. He got about 4 picks this year including that one against the cowboys, I’ll still ride with him until/if he doesn’t correct his mistakes and screws up in the playoffs etc.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 3:18 pm

Paulman, give us a list of the top 5 things Vinnie was thinking after yesterday’s game

jroc757
jroc757
December 20, 2010 3:20 pm

Chaney was wildboy for Miss. State…… He’s an old Georgia boy who was a beast with getting into the gaps…….. I seen alot of games with him here in the north carolina area….. He’s a problem….. The Giants wanted him badly…….. Thank GOD we got him before they did LOL!!!

jroc757
jroc757
December 20, 2010 3:23 pm

Rocko I’m with you……. Mannigham isn’t a push over receiver…….. i like Patterson….. And I think he will get it together……. Thats why i think like a coach like Dick Juron will get him together……. he did great the second half of of the game…… Well the whole defense…… The giants played a good solid 1st. half and they took us for granted……

wmonell
wmonell
December 20, 2010 3:24 pm

good to hear that about Chaney. i jsut like players that make things happen.
we have our dline for pressure and sacks…and our secondary for picks and deflections
our OLBs, well i dont know what they really do because TEs always put up consistent stats on us
but to have a MLB compile double-digit tackles, esp. in a game of that multitude, ill take it

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 3:31 pm

Yesterday we saw what happens when the play calling and system isn’t working. It takes extraordinary athletes to win when the coaches are doing everything they can to lose the game.

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 3:56 pm

hahhahahaha good point scorp

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
December 20, 2010 3:56 pm

scorp…Amen

Talent win in spite of poor coaching

wmonell
wmonell
December 20, 2010 4:00 pm

true story

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 4:03 pm

yes how many times can some1 dip under pass rusher coming untouched
i swear we have the worse nano’s in the league but every team can send nanos at us
its like before the patch came out and if u just put ur midlle lb in spy and rushed with him urself u come str8 thru untouched on madden
i feel like other teams have these glitches on us
we send 7 giants picked that up all day its crazy

jakedog
jakedog
December 20, 2010 4:07 pm

songs, you and others don’t claim monopoly over fandome because of play by 7 and eagles that nobody expected/predicted, nothing in 7’s past game, 11 seasons, with play in preseason gave anyone rational projection of this type of play. So we who wanted something different at the start are either dumber than a bag of hammers, have agenda other than wanting birds to win, or we don’t have crystal ball like you and mr pw had, but maybe time to trade it in light of 5’s play.

give it a break

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 4:10 pm

PW, the other team activates the “madden glitch” when they play us. We blitz 2 or 3 players and they pick them up without help. They blitz 1 guy he comes free.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 4:11 pm

jake, what 11 seasons?

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 4:12 pm

BTW jake, I agree with what you are saying. Some are going to right at times and wrong at others. I think Songs and PW were very adamant because of all the groupie-like love Kolb was getting for nothing. But anyhow, I understand what your saying.

greenfan
greenfan
December 20, 2010 4:16 pm

I had hoped that we could all enjoy that great win for at least 24 hours….well, looking at the clock it is almost exactly 24 hours …..before one eagles fan accused another eagles fan of not being a “true” fa…oh well, I plan on enjoying this ride as long as it goes on…this is a GREAT team to be a fan of and we are in for some more excitment over the next month and a half!!

paulman
paulman
December 20, 2010 4:23 pm

This is getting boring when the Eagles win all the time and everyone being nice and civlized with each other.. Can’t we talk about McNabb/Kolb/TO, or poor Draft Choices or Overpaid free-agents signings,
or How about the Coaching staff or the Coach AR’s dietary issues..how about VIck, how about a
conspiracy that the NFL is setting all these Eagles games up on Prime-time TV and opponents are throwing games purposely to make VIck look better and to be able to play “the redemption story”of the Year… yeah,, that’s what I think..

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 4:25 pm

i never predicted no stats or nothin what we said was
if vick qb’s our team wont lose a step and we’d still be a playoff team
u say it like we predicted stats or something i just said he can lead us and kolb couldnt
who cares if im right or wrong
we balln

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 4:26 pm

paulman, don’t worry all that talk will come back in a couple days. It’s the day after so everyone will have this day to enjoy. But we saw this team for the first 3 1/2 quarters.

greenfan
greenfan
December 20, 2010 4:27 pm

OK Paulman…I’ll bite. Anyone else feel like in both games this year with the Giants that the Giants O-line got away with some blatant holding?? Is there a conspiracy in the league office??

jakedog
jakedog
December 20, 2010 4:27 pm

excuse me, 7 prev seasons, but you get the point

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 4:30 pm

jake, I didn’t know if you were talking about Vick’s or Andy’s 11 seasons. Just trying to get clarity.

phillywill
phillywill
December 20, 2010 4:31 pm

well just know i didnt start any of this bs
i didnt say i predicted anything or anything like that
i was simply responding to those who want to say i was just picking a name out of hat and got lucky
no it wasnt like that
i thought mike vick could lead us better than kolb
did i think he would lead better than 5 probably not

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
December 20, 2010 4:31 pm

paulma, go over to yardbarker. Fans can’t stop arguing over there. Trust me. And you can start your own posts.

jakedog
jakedog
December 20, 2010 4:33 pm

i don’t care either mr. pw, just don’t like songs calling out little micah

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
December 20, 2010 4:36 pm

Eagles nation in perfect harmony right now…it does seem weird. I’m not gonna lie, the way one fumble went down looked suspect, how do you fumble that ball? lol

But lets not be ridicolous! Vick really has nothing left to prove…he has proved all his critics wrong since the season opener…no matter how well he did yesterday, that would not of changed a thing as far as teams willing to franchise tag this man…The success that Vick is having, is something that the NFL is definitely eating up and cashing in on. Everyone wants to see our squad play, everyone wants to see Vick…(even those that dont support him, tune in just to root against him)

Hopefully the FO, has started printing contracts for Vick and DJAX….

jakedog
jakedog
December 20, 2010 4:39 pm

that fumble, it was like he had money on the eagles, he was falling out of bounds, nobody touched him, and the ball lands in bounds

Erock
Erock
December 20, 2010 4:45 pm

Big picture this win. Too me the Birds have pushed themselves too the top of the conference.Atlanta could never comeback and win that game…with who running for 90 plus from the qb position? And they’ll have the pressure on them if we meet in the p-offs. Giants, jumped on us and early and costly mistakes really put us in a hole that shouldnt of been that big. Saints….tough squad…i’ll take em in our place. We’ll stomp any other team out ,no question.This tells me this squad is Super. I’ll play the Falcons in Matt Ryans neighborhood park with his family throwing trash at us(uh wait G-men fans did that too 18) and we spot them 7. The d is nicked…but so is everyone elses.Keep the core guys goin and Go Birds.

And in every come from behind second half win…you always need a onsides kick. I still can’t believe they went into retreat block mode. Cooper will never have it easier.

paulman
paulman
December 20, 2010 4:52 pm

I think the Punter was paid off to kick a line drive though he was instrutced to kick it out of bounds and the Specail Teamers for the Giants were paid off to over-run the coverage and stand flat-footed as the D-JAx mobile flew past them adn then the mostobvious of all, player Steve DeOssie was paid to take a dive as the last player to have a chance at a tackle
.. I heard thru a so-so source that Danny DeVito had something to do with this occurring,
to help promote the show (It’s always Sunny in Philadelphia”) Good Greif …