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Reid Could Easily Justify Going With Kolb Or Vick

If Andy Reid decides to make Kevin Kolb the team’s starting quarterback, the rest of the way, he would have plenty of reason to justify that decision.  I wouldn’t make an argument against it.

I was critical of Kolb’s play earlier in the season, but I have no problem giving him credit for putting together two outstanding performances the last couple of week.

If Reid decides to stay with Michael Vick as the team’s starting quarterback the rest of the way, he has plenty of reasons to justify that decision.  I wouldn’t make an argument against it, as long as he continues to play great football.

Great production is what it all about.

Both of these guys could have their level of play drop a bit and Reid could still justify staying with them and his starter.

How can any one argue against either of these guys right now?  Both of them have played great football up until now.

Kolb was just awarded the NFC Offensive Player Of The Week award for his performance against the Falcons.  Vick had been selected the NFC Offensive Player Of The Month for his performances earlier in the season.

Vick used his legs to make things happen when the line was performing poorly during the seasons first few games.  Kolb did get the chance to play behind an offensive line that’s now playing better.  Still he made all the plays that were asked of him.

I can’t tell you what will happen going forward but as of right now, you could make a good argument for either Vick or Kolb to be the team’s starting quarterback.

I haven’t changed from thinking that Vick has the bigger upside, but I think the level of consistency which Kolb played at in the last two games was quite remarkable.  He’s a system quarterback who is extremely accurate in the short to intermediate game and there’s no question that the west coast offense fits him.

Vick is able to do things with his legs that no other quarterback in the league can do, but I could still understand Reid going with Kolb.  If Kolb continues to play the way he has played the last couple of weeks, especially this past Sunday, you could validate him starting for most of the teams in the league.

Most of the teams in the league would be ecstatic if their quarterbacks had played on the level Vick has, so far this season.

Reid and his staff are going to be forced to make a decision about their quarterbacks but it won’t be made before they have to do it.

GCOBB

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eaglez4ever
eaglez4ever
October 20, 2010 10:48 am

Vick is the obvious choice for the better qb this season. Im sure i will get grief for righting this as to some Kolb is apparantly the second coming montana but this choice should be very simple. Even for big red whos decisions normally involve large disguting portions of food for his fat bloated wobbling carcass. Just my opion folks.

bsmvideos
October 20, 2010 10:49 am

I think the decision might come down to Mike Kafta. He seemed to show signs of being as good as Kolb. If that is true, you sign Vick and trade Kolb before next years draft. So far Kolb has only played well when he knew he was not the starter. However, will Vick be the same with a new contract and his debt wiped out. Talent is not the issue with either. Both get along with their teammates. Andy Greed is right. It is a nice problem to have.

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 10:53 am

eaglez4 – How can you expect anyone to take your opinion seriously if you assert that football decisions have anything to do with cheap insults and what the coach eats? I’m going to assume that in many areas you have matured passed 6th grade typical male behavior, so why have you regressed in cases like this?

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 10:56 am

bsm – exactly, it’s a nice situation. It’s not a problem at all, it’s a choice. If you’re buying a new car, and the choice comes down to a blue or red one, that’s not a problem, it’s a choice.

And again with your Andy ‘Greed’ thing, what’s the point there? Do you think that Andy makes more money based off of any football decisions he makes? That’s just a weak negative laziness that only hurts the karma and perception of this city.

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 20, 2010 11:03 am

Will be interesting to see how this unfolds G,
Who would have thought after an ugly Pre-Season and a stinker 1st game versus the Packers,
that Coach AR would have a difficult decision to make on who to play at QB since (Kolb & Vick)
have played at a high level over the last 4-5 weeks and have put this team in position to make a
legitimate playoff run which I didn’t realistically see happening at the Start of the Season.
Many teams are struggling to have 1 QB to lead their team and right now the Eagles have 2 QB’s
who they can win with, which is pretty impressive…
Kolb will go this week versus probably the best overall defense the Eagles have faced this season
to date. It will be interesting to see how the game plan (which have been excellent the last 2 games)
plays out and how this young O/Line continues to gel together going against a very aggressive D/Line. (want to talk about a great D/L Coach, the guy at Tennessee continually has one of the top D/Lines year after year no matter who they lose, they keep plugging players in and they perform)
Then the BYE week and then the return of some of the banged up players like D-Jax,Vick,Cooper,
Peters,Bunkley, Nick COle and back-up RB J Harrison should be up to speed by then to really get ready for the 2nd Half of the Season which will be tough games week in and week out..

eaglez4ever
eaglez4ever
October 20, 2010 11:08 am

6 th grade huh schill not even like 5th or 4th. This is a blog site and i was very serious when i said the job should be vicks. For the record i used to be a huge andy ried fan im just sick and tired any more of the same stupid play calling ive been seeing for YEARS but your right that was a cheap shot about his weight. I do have a question for you though schill why r u so protevtive of him. Is it all those super bowls he has brought to the city? Or myabe its because he is by far the best clock managment coach in the buisness? Just trying to get where your coming from here.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 11:08 am

“When you have 2 QBs, you have 0 QBs”

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 11:12 am

Reid created this so now he’ll have to deal with it. Yes he didn’t get Kolb or Vick injured but for flip flopping he created this. So now each QB, whenever they play has to worry about having a bad game (which all QBs do), and being benched or fans calling for their benching. Of call position on the field, the QB is the position where they guy has to know where he stands the most. I can see it now, Vick plays and has a few bad series, fans are booing him to put Kolb in. Next game Kolb starts and he struggles, fans are now booing him wanting Vick back. You never develop any consistency and you split the fan base and the fans will flip flop as quickly as Reid because that’s what fans do. But coaches aren’t supposed to do that. So he has to pick a guy a stick with him even through a couple tough games, if that happens.

bsmvideos
October 20, 2010 11:15 am

Schiller, the term Andy Greed is an inside joke for my sons. When I was younger I watched every Dick Vermeil show that came on TV. I remember the day he said the Eagles were going to the Superbowl. I thought he was delusional. After they went, I respected everything Dick Vermeil said and did, including the famous overnight film sessions. I told my son’s how Dick Vermeil left no stone unturned in his quest to bring this city a championship. On the other hand Andy Reid left the lights on just like Dick Vermeil, only he was not studying film, he was having a late night love affair with cheesteaks and hoagies, and that’s why the Eagles could not win in the championship games.

Schiller life is short, laugh as much as you can. I laugh at you and Songs. I love the “Rivaly” and he is funny. “Baby Arm” LOL. He gets on my nerves but I love Andy Greed and Marty the Parrot. All of us would not take the time to comment if we did not care. We are the most passionate fans in the world.

DizzyJ
DizzyJ
October 20, 2010 11:17 am

I agree with you Schiller. This is a nice problem. I just think the FAIR thing to do would be, again, going with Vick. Like I said, when Vick went down he was playing Lights Out football. He was playing as many would say, “Out of his Mind.” So I feel he should be able to pick up where he left off. If he starts performing bad on a consitent basis, by all means, start Kevin. But Mike deserves to pick up where he left off.

As Ive said before, Kevin will get WAY MORE PRESSURE than that Atlanta game in weeks to come if he was the starter. Ive seen Kevin under pressure and he scared as shit. Michael must start! He has to! I’m a fan of Michael Vick’s work ethic and road to redemption. Why all of a sudden does Kevin Kolb have to be the one to ruin it? Yes I want to win, but at the same time, Michael gives us the best chance in the long run.

Guys admit it! KEVIN HAD NO PRESSURE AND NO HURRIES TO THROW THE BALL AGAINST ATLANTA! Thats wassup, because we won and all. But you really want that guy back there when the blitz is coming all game? Like really? LOL

G.Cobb, I feel you man. It could go either way, but you know deep down Mike Vick should start for this team. Ive heard you say it several times. I sure hope Mike is pleading to Andy his case and I hope Andy is listening. Its a damn shame he had to get hurt against the Skins. We might be talking about Vick as MVP right now and he might not have even lost a game to date. One thing’s for sure…If Kevin is names starter AGAIN, my man Mike Vick’s luck certainly sucks in life! A man that has came from nothin, made his mistakes in life, and is attempting to turn it around with strides of being a great QB is inspirational enough to make me want to see more! Michael Vick is exciting. Michael Vick has been a winner in the games he has played this season. There is nothing more great than watching your football team win and have a quarterback that is unpredictable, yet so exciting in EVERY play. Andy don’t take that away. PLEASE.

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 11:32 am

BSM – To be clear, I never meant to question your passion, how much you care, or your ‘fanhood’. But do you really think Andy’s eating habits effect his coaching? You probably don’t. You’re just joking. But see, that casual (however innocent it may be) joking/poking fun, contributes to the hate in this town. That hate messed with Donovan’s head. It messes with other players heads – they’ve admitted it. So the collective hate (at most you’ve contributed 1 millionth of it….) can hurt this team. That’s why I care about it. It hurts this city and it can hurt the team. Now don’t go overboard and try to make it like I’m saying they’d have superbowl championships if this was a soft, ‘we love you no matter what’ town. I’m not saying that the fans are at fault for any losses. But the collective hate, however casual or innocent, takes a toll and that’s unnecessary.

I’m glad you have fun inside jokes with your kids, that’s great and essential to your family bonding. But really, what good does hating do in the context of discussing serious football decisions?

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 11:39 am

eaglez4 – I’m not specifically protective of him. I can definitely see how you’d read it that way, but it’s nothing specific about Andy, or the Eagles head coach role, it’s that I think it dumbs down yours, or anyone’s, posts/points/statements when you throw in the irrelevant cheap shots in the context of an otherwise legitimate point.

And as I’ve stated above, I think the negativity piles up and takes a toll on the players/coaches. Reid tries to shut it out, but he wouldn’t be putting the word ‘chubby’ in there with his statements about the QB situation if he wasn’t aware of the public’s fascination with his weight…

Bottom line is that if a coach twice the size of Reid coached this team to a superbowl, would anyone be suggesting his weight was relevant to football? If the Eagles win a superbowl, would you care whether the coach is anorexic, 600 pounds, slim and fit, jacked like Ed Hoculi or whatever? Hell no. His weight and his eating habits have absolutely NOTHING to do with football. So why does it enter the conversation?

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 11:42 am

scorp – what do you mean by that? “When you have 2 QBs, you have 0 QBs”

That is so wrong. Does Mike McGlynn snap the ball to nobody and then a running back or receiver has to recover it and run with it? Or does the other team recover a fumble every time the Eagles snap he ball?

Of course not. So you mean that there is a huge problem with two good QBs. Please illustrate that. So far, it means winning. And there has been absolutely 0, 0!, issues, except in the eyes and from the mouths of the media, resulting from it.

And if you only had one, wouldn’t we have lost those games when Vick has been injured and the lack of other QB would have lost the game? What about when Kolb went down and Vick won games? Wouldn’t not having two meant we lost those games?

So what are you saying?

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 20, 2010 11:53 am

A couple of my posts from earlier:

drummerwinslow says:
October 20, 2010 at 9:28 am

For what it’s worth, I just heard on the radio that Reid “dummied down” the offense for Kolb by running plays in which Kolb had only 1 receiver option. Because Reid wanted to eliminate Kolb having to read the defense, each play was designed to go to a specific receiver, and no one else.
I didn’t catch the name of the analyst. I thought he said Mike McMahon.

Further, he pointed out that the offense was likewise adjusted for McNabb. Reid designed plays in which McNabb could turn his back to the defense. This was done because McNabb was not good with short passes, but was very good with ball fakes. By doing so, it gave time for the deeper patterns to develop.

It all sounds reasonable to me, but who knows. I do know that McNabb did run a lot of plays with his back to the defense. In fact, many complained that Reid ran play-action passes, although there was not threat of a run.

The analyst also addressed the Eagles defense against Atlanta, saying that Atalanta should have thrown the ball first to loosen up the defense. He said that typically, the Eagles’ defense has risen to the occasion whenever a team tried to run the ball down their throats. Contrarily, those teams who tried to pass first have had success running the ball against them.

Again, this rings true to me.

drummerwinslow says:
October 20, 2010 at 11:49 am

The fact that Reid ran the ball 38 times seems to be left out of the conversation. I think that is a huge reason for the team’s success. I hope Reid doesn’t revert to throwing 50 times a game when Vick returns. When Garcia was here, Reid did the same thing, though not to this extent. Reid ran the ball (keeping the defense off-balanced), then when McNabb returned, he went right back to 65% passing, and most of the runs came at the end of games in which we were ahead.

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 20, 2010 11:55 am

Schiller,
I believe Scorp is referring to the comment made by Lou Holtz and other analysts many times..
When you flip flop between 2 QB’s and don’t designate who the # 1 Starter is . then a team can become fractured and lack the confidence and continuity it needs to have when there is a definite #1 named. Hence the quote, “When you have 2 QB’s, you really have no QB”
Right now Coach has it easy since Vick is still mending from his injury,
But come after the BYE week, if both are Heathly, and it’s almost mid-Season, then a Clear #1 QB needs to be established and decided upon and then the rest of the troops (players) have to fall in line to supoprt the #1 is probably what he is referring to..

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 12:11 pm

Pman – Ok. But Lou Holtz was talking about college, football. It is a different dynamic. Now, when you do have QB controversies in the NFL, sure, it can in some cases cause inconsistency and problems with continuity. But Reid said that Vick was the starter. So he basically said that when Vick is healthy again, he’ll start. Some fans may be upset, if they wanted Kolb to start. Maybe Kolb will be disappointed. But until there is a problem, I don’t see the point in assuming there will be one.

If for some reason Reid goes with Kolb, same points (switch the names). Some fans may be disappointed. One QB might be disappointed. But they get paid millions to play a game, and the team’s job is to win. I’m not worried about their feelings…

Again, why assume a problem before it happens.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 20, 2010 12:16 pm

The Eagles must plan on signing Vick. Otherwise, he’ll be a free agent at the end of the season, and they will get nothing for him.

That doesn’t mean they won’t sign him, then trade him during the off-season.

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 12:21 pm

drummer, what is more important, making sure the team gets something in return when Vick is no longer on the team, or having him on the team to play QB and make plays for the remainder of this season?

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
October 20, 2010 12:47 pm

GTFOH ….They didn’t dumb down the offense…It’s called a gameplan…so the fake reverse fake screen 80 yd TD to Maclin was a dumbed down play…LMAO …. #4 hit seven different recievers in the Atlanta Game…..and for the Record I AM A PHILADELPHIA EAGLES FAN…I root for Whatever group of 22 players that are listed on that particular day….It is ridiculous to me how people are making excuses as to why and how Kolb had a great game etc…ATL didn’t blitz …ATL didn’t do that….Who the FU#k cares why they did or didn’t do something….I want to see my team win every week they play and don’t care who is taking the snaps….

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 12:48 pm

Schiller, it’s just a quote. And you don’t have to agree with it. But when you shuffle QBs you really don’t have one. The QB position is not like shuffling DTs or DEs. The QB has to be the guy and no he’s the guy with no questions. So until you choose, you don’t have a QB. Don’t like it? Who cares.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 12:55 pm

Exactly Paulman. Schiller doesn’t get that. So what because Andy says it’s a good problem to have? Yeah it’s a good problem right now, when 1 of the QBs is injured. It’s not a good problem when both are healthy. Then what? Do you immediately pull the guy who struggles for a half? Or do you let him go for a few games even if he does struggle. After all, NFL QBs do struggle for stretches at time. But since “you have 2 good QBs”, how short is your leash on them? That’s when it becomes a problem. Whether schiller likes it or not, Reid will have to make a choice sooner or later. And to your point about college schill….. In college it’s even more likely that coaches toggle between 2 QBs. So the quote applies more to NFL than college. In the NFL you have to commit to 1 guy. Not saying you have to commit to him for the entire season but when you flip flop between who you want as your QB, you instantly create problems when one of them struggles. Seriously dude, think sometimes before sniffing Andy’s jock.

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
October 20, 2010 12:58 pm

Paul Man..Is it too early for a ” TRADE ALERT ”
LMAO…

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 20, 2010 12:59 pm

And I do think it’s much more improtant for a Pro NFL Team to Identify who the #1 QB is
College teams revolve more around who the Head Coach is..
It’s all about the Players at the NFL level..

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
October 20, 2010 12:59 pm

Aww damn the deadline has passed…

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 1:07 pm

scorp – you are equating decisions with problems. Yes, Reid will have to make decisions (that’s the nature of having 2 options). But if the team keeps winning, then there isn’t a problem. If they lose, then they have to look at why they lost. If they lost because of offensive execution and it is due to QB issues, then Reid has to look at that and decide how to go further. Even in that case, the problem will be the loss. And if the reason is a QB thing, then you try to fix it.

And this has nothing to do with my opinion of Andy Reid – i swear, I’m not as high on him as many of you make me out to be. I just don’t think that you can assume problems before they manifest.

bsmvideos
October 20, 2010 1:10 pm

Dr. Schill, you are a riot. – How much do I owe you?

Having spent 2 overseas tours protecting this country’s free speech, I will have to disagree with you. The diversity of opinions on this sight is what makes it fun to read. All the know it all’s. Know it all!

If boo’s from the fans or negative comments bother those million dollar babys, then they should find a new profession.

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 20, 2010 1:13 pm

I will have some Trade Alerts after the Season Gotta Lov It..
(that is, if I am still allowed to post of here…)

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 1:17 pm

bsm – I’m no doctor and you owe me nothing. But I owe you a ‘Thank you’ for serving me and this country.

I hear you, but Donovan DID let it get into his head. And maybe if that didn’t happen, we would have had a slightly better shot at winning that superbowl we were in.

you can call them million dollar babIES, but they are human. Guess what, those who ARE doctors, have well documented the fact that humans are susceptible to social influence, and humans care what others think of them. You can ask them to be ‘tough guys’ all you want, but human nature always prevails….

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 1:19 pm

Agreed Paulman. It’s important to have 1 QB in the NFL. Yes it’s good to have a good backup but sooner or later that backup wants to be a starter. Yeah it’s a good problem while a guy is injured. But it’s not a good problem when both are healthy. Period. The QB is the focal point on any team and when you have some guys on your team that prefer one guy over the other then that’s not good for anyone. Of course, players won’t say, but they unconscious bias just like every other person in the world. And when you have 2 guys that can be “The guy”, you create more problems than good in the long run. This is not the University of Florida and Chris Leak and Tim Tebow. This is the NFL, and you have to pick a guy and stick to your choice and you change QBs if he unbearably bad. Otherwise, deal with the highs and lows because that’s the only way he’ll stay confident. Otherwise, he knows he’s benched and that’s not good for any player. On a side note, why does Kolb look better when he’s playing spot duty for an injured QB and not when he’s the named starter? Seriously?

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
October 20, 2010 1:28 pm

I predict that Paulman is going to predict at least 20 trades this next offseason. Anyone care to take the over/under?

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
October 20, 2010 1:28 pm

And all this “messing with a QB’s head” bullcrap is nonsense. Period. You either have it or you don’t at this level. It’s as simple as that.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 20, 2010 1:55 pm

Schiller

I can’t say either is more important, but if you can do both, you do it. No 1 (and No. 2) draft picks come at a premium, especially if you get a pick from a basement dweller.

Many teams invest high picks in QBs who fail and there are a few teams “knocking on Heaven’s door,” who only need a QB.

One need only look at how things played out in Green Bay. Having two QBs (with potential to be starters) will eventually cause problems.

Considering that Kolb has waited for 4 years, I doubt that he wants to sit another 4 years. And I just don’t see the Eagles letting Vick go into free agency. I’m fairly certain that they plan on signing him (if he continues to play well). He’d probably be happy to sign with the Eagles, since they give him a chance when no one else would touch him.

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 2:12 pm

scorp, I think the answer is small sample size. How many games has Kolb played when he was the named starter? .5 by my count. And that is .5 against a great defense, greenbay, when they had Clay Mathews who looked like one of the best defensive players this and last year, prior to his injury.

Do you really think that less than a half a game, versus one of the best defenses, in a game where the center was getting his first NFL start was enough to evaluate how Kolb plays when he’s the named starter scorp? I don’t.

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 2:14 pm

Scorp, if I’m wrong and you can think of other games where Kolb started as the named starter, let me know.

And also, those games where he was filling in, at least this year, were after the half game he started as the named starter, so there’s the factor that he got to watch film, continue to learn, develop and improve too. Doesn’t that answer your question?

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 2:31 pm

No schiller. I’m talking about the undisputed starter and not because of injury. It’s a different kind of pressure when you have to be the guy on the team and having to hold it together until the other guy get better. So like I said, I’m wondering why he plays well when he’s the BACKUP but starting a game because of injury. That’s all. If you can’t understand that, then I’m not sure what else to say. Good try though.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 2:35 pm

And schiller it’s not just the Green Bay game I’m speaking off. All preseason he was mediocre at best. This was when he was the No. 1 QB on the depth chart, without question. So I’m just wondering does he really have what it takes to be a starter for a team or just a good backup for spot duty. It’s just a question so keep you snide remarks to yourself. Point is some guys are just good career backups and good for spot duty but not suited to be the guy for a franchise. So we will have to see about him but I just find that interesting and we will see.

greenfan
greenfan
October 20, 2010 2:35 pm

With the overall way that both have played this year, it isn’t the worst situation in the world.

Vick, when healthy, has played his best qb as a pro. He has demonstrated the ability to read a defense from the pocket, and the athleticism to create positive plays when the protection breaks down. He has held his turnovers down, and delivered points in the red-zone.

Kolb has rebounded after a shakey start and head injury. He has played well, made throws of all types to various different players and also delivered points while keeping the turnovers to a minimum.

Neither QB caused problems when relegated to backup, both have acted as professionals.

In the end, we have two players that have different styles but have relatively similar win / loss results. I believe that given an even playing field of both being healthy, Vick is probably the qb that defensive coordinators would less want to face, but it is getting closer. There was a day when all you needed to do to defend Vick was put a spy & “mush-rush” plan together and make him beat you with his arm. He has proved that he has the discipline and skill to sit and take what a defense has to give him. Compared to Kolb he has a stronger arm, but as we saw this weekend, Kolb can get it deep when he needs to. Kolb is younger, and would have mores years ahead, but the NFL is about winning right now, so potential doesn’t get you much these days.

I doubt that either qb will be traded. I believe that Reid will ride the hot hand, play the qb he thinks gives him the best chance to win in a given week. He has proven that he can change his mind when he feels like it, and sees that the NFC is ripe for making a run this year. His teams have tradionally improved during the season, but has also traditionally thrown in some real sh*tty games against inferior competition.

Iggles
Iggles
October 20, 2010 2:40 pm

BSM… Where on earth did you hear, read or whatever that Kafka was remotely close to Kolb!!?? I think it was Merrill who not so long ago stated Kafka’s got too much to learn yet. He wasn’t even a QB until college. At this stage in his development, he’s not close to ready… a non-factor until maybe 2012-13ish.

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 20, 2010 2:41 pm

G-Man Twittered a little while ago that Vick is moving around in practice ok, but that he still cannot throw the ball with much velocity and zip on it at this time…
Vick it appears will need a good week or 2 of healing befire he is ready to play in a NFL game..

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 20, 2010 2:43 pm

Greenfan, ” believe that Reid will ride the hot hand, play the qb he thinks gives him the best chance to win in a given week”.

That’s the potential problem right there. You can’t just switch your QB if he struggles one week. It’s different if a guy struggles or plays bad for a few games in a row. But if what you think, switching QBs any given week could happen, then that’s dumb and ridiculous for a coach to play around with the QB position in that way. If Kolb is the starter, you can’t go to Vick the very next week if Kolb struggle a bit this week. And vice versa. You can do more damage by shuffling them because neither one gets into a good rhythm and if they struggle they won’t be able to recover as quickly. Only our “genuis” head coach would try something like that. It may be ok for now but we have 10 games left and the you aren’t going to win in this league if you don’t know who your QB is. Just as fast as you can win games you can lose. Can easily lose the next 2 and be a .500 team especially without Jackson. The difference between good teams and bad teams is stability at the QB position. Just pick one and roll with him through the highs and lows, given that the lows are for an extended period of time or are too bad.

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 3:00 pm

Scorp so you base your opinon of kolb mostly on preaseason? Really? I’m not trying to be snide. But the fact is, teams don’t try to win in preseason. Vick played poorly in preseason too. I just can’t see how you value the preseason so much, most people dont

DizzyJ
DizzyJ
October 20, 2010 3:02 pm

Look, we haven’t seen Michael Vick play bad in any appearance this season. Kevin has played bad, and gotten way better as time went on. But the fact that Mike has not fucked up (yet) should be taken into consideration. At least the chance to start and see if he can resume where he left off….I mean really, do you feel me? If not, how can you not agree?

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 3:07 pm

dizzy, who are you arguing with? Who is saying to start Kolb over Vick? If nobody, then why do you keep repeating yourself? Just curious?

schiller
schiller
October 20, 2010 3:14 pm

Scorp – Do you agree with the mantra that ‘you can’t compare apples to oranges, you can only compare apples to apples’? Answer that question or you are ignoring common wisdom. You are trying to make the point that Kolb performs better when he doesn’t have the pressure of being the decided starting QB for the team and into the future. So you are comparing times when he has and when he hasn’t been in that situation. On one side, you have parts of 4 preseason games and one half against a great defense. On the other, you have a few regular season games. Now statistically, both sample sizes are too small to make a significant comparison. But throwing that aside, they aren’t nearly comparable conditions and if you discount the preseason (which you should for obvious reasons), then the samples are lopsided.

Look, if Kolb is named the starter and given the reigns for a longer period of time, and plays poorly, you can say that, but I think at this point, that’s a coincidence and you’re reading into it from a subjective perspective.

DizzyJ
DizzyJ
October 20, 2010 3:14 pm

Im skimming over this whole post and I keep seeing the topic come up over and over. I dont really see anyone playing favorites and I wouldnt say that I am either. I just want the best QB for this team and I don’t understand why people cannot see that its Michael Vick. Its really the most common of sense possible. Im just trying to make a point for people to see. I mean, its really not hard to understand my reasoning and accuracy of my statements given.

bsmvideos
October 20, 2010 3:16 pm

Iggles I caught a live video feed of training camp. I have not seen him play in a pro game or college. I don’t get the Eagles unless they are on national tv. I am sure that yourself or paulman, sorry Paul Mancini can give an accurate assement of his skill set.

DizzyJ
DizzyJ
October 20, 2010 3:19 pm

Has anyone here met or know some of the players like myself? Im just curious

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
October 20, 2010 3:24 pm

Well…well…well… how’s everyone doin today? Looks like the boards are hot once again! Schill, looks like you’re doing your part keeping the riff raff quiet today. Paul, nice to see you’re your usual self today. Speaking of PM, BoB..I’ll take the over on that ther bet…PM will have over 20 trade alerts in 1 thread come March, I for one can’t wait…Songs, glad to see you’re not here.

Iggs, I believe BSM is going by what MM said about Kafka being such a quick study of the Offense, faster than Kolb he said, but I wouldn’t run with that too much..it is MM after all..It’s a beautiful thing.

I think it’s great that we have 2 starting caliber QB’s right now. Don’t read too much into the ego battle either. Vick and Kolb get along really well and want to succede for this team. AR is going to make a decision..either Kolb or Vick..and the team will rally and play around either one because we’re gonna get ball-to-the-walls football either way.

I would wait to bring Vick back until after the bye, looks like it’s gonna happen that way regardless, let him get his rest and Kolb should be able to manage. It will come down to the OLine again and how thay pick up the blitz of the Titans. Playcalling will b a factor too. It’s a winnable game IMO.

Stevo
Stevo
October 20, 2010 3:30 pm

Yes dizzy…. my wife and akers wife are on the pta together. I golf with asam on the mondays after home games and big red has eaten at my house 4 or 5 times (btw… he eats only salads and uses fat free italian if you want to know). also…. Peters gives the best christmas gifts but he holds on to the thing so hard when giving it up.

Im just playing dizzyy… but… who cares? I agree that Vick should be the guy…. what does you meeting 1 at the mall have to do with anything??.

greenfan
greenfan
October 20, 2010 3:33 pm

hey Dizzy…you trying to set a record for number of posts here? Frankly I could care less if you “know” a player or not. Just because you might cut a players hair or do his taxes doesn’t mean sh*t as far as what you know about football. Why would that matter?