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Banner Never Understood Philadelphia Fans

Last week long-time Eagles president Joe Banner stepped down from his post, which was a shock to everyone around the Delaware Valley.  This change is nothing short of monumental for the organization.  Banner was president for 18 years, and was a key component in turning the Eagles into the powerhouse NFL franchise they are today.  Many around the region (including myself) thought Banner would be a lifer within this organization and would surely outlast head coach Andy Reid.

Banner has told the media the move was very amicable, as he’ll remain on staff as a strategic advisor to owner Jeffrey Lurie while he plans to pursue a major new opportunity within the sports field.  Banner was a member of the Eagles front office since May 6, 1994 when Lurie purchased the team.  Since that time Banner was overseeing day-to-day operations of the team and was named team president on August 1, 2001.  Lurie advised last week “There is no better executive in sports than Joe Banner”.  That statement alone is where I have an issue.

Joe Banner to me represents someone that is a great business man.  He was a major player in the reason the Eagles went from a franchise purchased for $185 million in 1994 to being valued at well over a billion dollars in today’s world.  But the bottom line is Banner was about the numbers and the business side of the franchise, not the passion that is so well demonstrated by the coaches, players, and fans of this team.

Banner did a fantastic job of bringing us fans a state of the art football only stadium in Philadelphia which many thought would never happen.  He helped bring the Novacare complex to the franchise and created a brand for this team that was never as strong as it is in today’s day and age.

At the end of the day though I firmly believe Banner never had the fans in mind when it came to his day-to-day achievements.  Banner was running a business and it didn’t matter if it was a football team or something else, he would have taken the same approach because at the end of the day he cared about profit and brand awareness.  This city lives and dies with the Eagles more than any other team in town.  Year in and year out, for many seasons we heard Banner say how disappointed he was the Eagles weren’t able to capture a Lombardi trophy.  He never took that extra step though to put us over the top like the other elite franchises in the NFL.

The Eagles sell out every game and have a waiting list of 70K fans for season tickets.  That to me is Banner’s ultimate accomplishment.  Win or lose those seats continued to be filled each and every week and Banner looked at that as the accomplishment not the winning or losing.  Those seats will continue to be full each and every week long after Banner has officially left the organization.  To Joe Banner, the Eagles as a Super Bowl champion was the furthest thing from his mind.  Sure, it would have been great for that to happen but at the end of the day as long as the Linc was packed and people were talking about the team it was a win for the president.

Banner never cared about the fans, and never will wherever he ends up next.  He is a true businessman, and that means the guy has no feelings.  He looks at things a different way than the fans of this great franchise.  We want this team to win so badly.  Nothing short of a Superbowl title is acceptable in this town and Banner held us back for many years with his selfish ways with the team salary cap and hard-nosed negotiating when it came to player contracts.  Guys like Jeremiah Trotter, Brian Dawkins, Terrell Owens, David Akers, among others all felt his wrath over the years.  In Joe’s eyes players that stepped on the field were just a number to him.  To us they were heroes and idols that were a representation of our city.  They put it all on the line every week in hopes of winning a Superbowl but at the end of the day if they didn’t fit into Joe’s salary cap no matter how great they were they could be dispensed at the drop of a hat.

For those of you out there that enjoy watching a good business man in action Joe Banner is your guy.  I’m sure you’ll cheer him on wherever he ends up after he officially leaves the Eagles.  For those of us that want to see the Philadelphia Eagles win a Superbowl Joe Banner stepping down as president is a great day.  The Philadelphia Eagles are a business to a certain extent but in the eyes of fans around the Delaware Valley they’re a football team first and foremost and when you cheer for a football team you don’t care about numbers and profits you care about winning a Superbowl.  Hopefully now with Banner out of the picture that can finally happen in the near future.

John Stratis

A lifelong Philadelphia sports fan always looking to share his opinion about the greatest sports town in the world. Follow me on twitter @JohnStratis

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jabstep474
jabstep474
June 12, 2012 9:26 am

I will never, ever, ever understadn this Philadelphia mindset of “the grass is always greener”… you mentioned in the article how Banner took the eagles from mediocre team to brand recognition, sell outs, football only stadium. “This city lives and dies with the Eagles more than any other team in town.” is what you said… because of Joe Banner’s philosphy. This team has always been ahead of the game on contracts and signings. You cry because the let dawkins walk, sure, I loved Dawk too. However that same “let guys go before theyre done” style, resulted in many positive moves. mcnabb trade, kolb trade, feeley trade, corey simon trade, letting westbrook walk, trotter walk, etc… football is a business. No one gets every decision right, but football is a business, once you realize that, you will mourn the day we ran a great business man out of town.

Erock
Erock
June 12, 2012 9:50 am

Any half way decent prez coulda made those calls.And it was Reid and the other coaches advising him to let em go. The capology stuff is over…floor ceiling makes all that irrelavent. So noone will “mourn the day”, the pencil pushing outta touch with players and fans …CAP MASTER ..is gone.I heard theres a few Acme’s in the tri county area that need to be turned around. Have at it Joe.Great biz men dont win SB’s…team unity,luck and a franchise q not turning the ball over does.Lets get a trophy this year.Go Birds.

jakedog
jakedog
June 12, 2012 10:04 am

As much as I don’t like banner, this article is over the top, to say millionaire players felt banner’s “wrath”‘ this commentary not warranted, no doubt he was out of touch with the fans, bad at public relations and the more he tried the worse he came off, but Joe banner is a major reason why the eagles are a top franchise, business model in all of sports, the lunch pale joes will never relate, but the money men to whom he is ultimately accountable, Joe Banner is the Gold Standard

EricT
EricT
June 12, 2012 12:23 pm

John,
I think you are waaaaay off base. I believe Joe had the fans in mind all the time but two things complicated it:

1. he had an awkward way of relaying those feelings to the masses
2. he had a business to run and keep it profitable

You never worked inside the Eagles organization under Banner and neither did I. I’m not claiming that all he cared about was the fans at all costs, but you’re claiming he didn’t care at all and honestly didn’t give a shit about us. I think this is more of an insult on your part coupled with plain ignorance.

Did you even interview anyone from the Eagles, that worked for Joe, for input for your story?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
June 12, 2012 12:33 pm

In order for Banner to care about profit, brand etc….wouldnt he have to understand the fans? I mean a true businessman does his research, and if you can’t understand your customers, then how can you profit?

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 12:41 pm

Understanding the fans is one thing. Catering to their every whim is another. The only way to make every Eagles fan happy is to hand the Lombardi Trophy to the team, and Banner, or any team president, is incaple of doing that.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 1:09 pm

You mean he wasn’t a loud mouth arrogant jackass that acted like he knew everything and knew of a magical solution to ensure we won the super bowl?

The you are correct – he did not understand nor could he empathize with the Philly sports fan…

Yeah RT – ya think the guy would understand the product, the people and match the two? You don;t think the ‘bean counters” and ‘ Shekel hoarders’ understood the value increase in the franchise if they won the SB?

Its like folks have nothing intelligent to say so they just say dumb shit to make themselves feel better –

For example, if all Banner cared about was the bottom line, you don;t think he did an analysis of how much MORE money the team would make for each home playoff game they hosted?? Hmmmmm. And the increase they could generate in the tix price if the won the SB… the increase on playoff tix proces.. guys just don;t think (or they aren;t smart enough to think the proces through)

anyway – time to move on from this stupid stupid conversation about who and what Joe Banner was – as with all former Eagles – thanks for what you did, appreciate it, good luck in future (unless against the birds) have a great life..

Iggles
Iggles
June 12, 2012 1:56 pm

Terrible article and conclusion that because Banner was such a super businessman that that precludes him (and others like him is implied) from appreciating fans (who are the customers). This article sounds like an Obama campaign ad with deception based on personal opinion that continues to divide groups of people! More negadelphia stuff. Banner has done an awful lot to make the Eagles experience at the Linc tops in the league. His downfall was the way he managed re-negotiations of contracts and extensions that anger the players, particularly when no expense was spared to bring in FA’s, many of whom were busts and unhealthy! Joe was too connected with football operations; his replacement has NOTHING to do with that and Roseman seems to have little difficulty in retaining good players. Joe had a flaw in one area and it was hurting the team’s football personnel decisions. But to say top businessmen have a disdain for customers (fans) is ridiculous!

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 2:05 pm

iggles, let me guess, you’re a top business man right? Nothing wrong with that, and I agree wholeheartedly with your statements about Banner. But BOOOOO on the the cheap shot at Obama. “deception based on personal opinion that continues to divide groups of people!” You’re position that big business shouldn’t be regulated IS a Personal Opinion! Show me the Obama ads that were deceptive…

I can show you GOP deceptive ads – like the one claiming that The Affordable Care Act will force people off their insurance plans.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
June 12, 2012 2:14 pm

jabs…let’s make this clear….Kolb was not drafted be traded…He was touted as the heir the the QB position so he can not be used as a good move for Banner.

That was a monumental mistake that put the Eagles back 4 years.

That roster spot could have been used to help the team immediate needs…and don’t give me the DRC trade…..we till don’t know if he’ll be the guy Arizona got the hell out of there for being torched 68% of the time.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
June 12, 2012 2:15 pm

Was it Banner who traded a pro bowl corner for a 7th round garbage pick?

If not..the guy who was behind that trade need to get the door knob in his split also.

Erock
Erock
June 12, 2012 2:47 pm

Funny to listen to Repubs rip Obama or whatever you might call yourself when they are the cause of everything thats gone wrong in the country. Repubs dont let BO do anything anyway..they block …fillabuster everything and wont pass anything until after election. Noone talks about Romneys inability to stand on a position or have any concrete views. Look at me im a smart biz man….but i dont wanna talk about Bain capital cause its not who i am now? Wait…your a good biz man…wouldnt you wanna talk about all the people you laid off and got rich off? And how much of a rich man its made ya. Oh wait…you were born rich!!!lol….WHOLE PARTY IS A JOKE.

He’s gone…who cares what he did…our trophy case is empty before and after his master capology.His stance and approach to players that shoulda gotten a deal and rewarded for play was a poison in the locker room and to the org..If ex players say it then its true. Good riddance and now lets get one.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
June 12, 2012 2:54 pm

DEMS AND REPUBS ARE LIKE PEPSI AND COKE

When you guys are going to realize they’re 2 sides of the same team…the Bankers control both..Wake up Obama is a puppet. Black people are so simple thinking he would do something for minority but little did you know he was talking about helping push through unlawful gay marriages.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
June 12, 2012 2:58 pm

Black people are soo simple thnking? WTF? Songs are you serous, dumbass?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
June 12, 2012 3:02 pm

But I will agree with DEMS and REPUBS ARE LIKE PEPSI AND COKE….

we need an independent to win, but that won’t happen!

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 3:02 pm

now – now Schill – don;t go politics here –

Songs – you are a little bitch – you are the ONLY one I know that harps on ‘why’ people were drafted and ‘waht round’ –

for WHATEVER reason – the eagles drafted a back up QB (again – only a dipshit cares WHY – like your whole stupid Cooper was the Red Zone threat – vice tone of the top special teams players) they turned around and traded him a couple years later for a pro-bowl CB and a second round draft pick – that I think became Curry?

The dude that executed that move should be rewarded – not shown the door – course – we are dealing with the ‘little bitch’ from GCOBB who will spend hours debating ‘why’ kolb was drafted –

who cares – Kolb WAS drafted (fact) Kolb was traded (fact) we got DCR and Curry now fact

now – it wouldn;t be a songs post without made up bull shit now would it –

here are the 2011 stats for CBs getting burned:

66 Captain Munnerlyn CAR 61 45 73.8
65 Jacob Lacey IND 68 50 73.5
64 Tracy Porter NO 73 52 71.2
63 Jerraud Powers IND 59 41 69.5
62 Orlando Scandrick DAL 62 43 69.4
61 Aaron Ross NYG 84 57 67.9
60 DeAngelo Hall WAS 94 63 67.0
59 Kyle Wilson NYJ 60 40 66.7
58 Cedric Griffin MIN 64 42 65.6
57 Quentin Jammer SD 66 43 65.2

now I hear your bullshit from 2010 – so here is the link where Football outsider ranks CBs in multiple categories – http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/worst-cornerback-charting-stats-2010

so – songs – where did you pull that bullshit # from? Drafted in 08 – pro bowl 09 – stared all 16 games

pro football outsiders had DRC ranked #7 of all CBs in the league!

Year Team Pos Plays Stops Dfts Yd/Play Rank Stop Rate Rank Adj Pct Tm Total Rank Run/Pass Ratio
2010 ARI CB 61 25 8 9.5 78 41% 46 7% 7 0.1
2009 ARI CB 75 40 21 7.5 29 53% 11 9% 40 0.1
2008 ARI CB 58 27 17 7.0 23 47% 26 7% 63 0.1

see that 7 next to the 7% – but that would be using stats and facts – not your bullshit

and lastly – here is a chart of all 4 eagles CBs from last year:

not as good as we all thought.

Philadelpia Eagles Cornerbacks 2011
Player Charted Targets Yd/Pass Success Rate Avg. Pass Distance YAC
Asante Samuel 61 4.4 67% 14.7 2.0
Joselio Hanson 39 7.6 49% 10.6 3.3
Nnamdi Asomugha 36 9.0 56% 15.8 2.5
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 33 6.9 61% 13.6 5.8

wow – you mean DRC actually had a better success rate the Asmo????? wow – lets keep listiending to songs bitch –

and the same article that lists all these stats – points out the Asante will do well on a team that plays zone

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 3:14 pm

Songs, you do know that Obama has proposed 0, count em, 0 laws about gay marriage? So you saying helping push through – no – the federal governments has never ever tried to push through any gay marriage laws. Some states have, but Obama and his administration have no state power.

Boy are you clueless.

And the Affordable Care Act helps out TONS of black people FYI. Again, you’re clueless.

Rasheed1
Rasheed1
June 12, 2012 3:24 pm

SOME black folks think simple when it comes to Obama…. Just like SOME white folks think simple when it comes to other politicians as well as Obama too.

But I also agree with assessment that the DEMS & REPUBS are two different sides of the same coin..

Good Cop Bad Cop…

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 3:38 pm

now – now Schill – don;t go politics here –

Songs – you are a little bitch – you are the ONLY one I know that harps on ‘why’ people were drafted and ‘waht round’ –

for WHATEVER reason – the eagles drafted a back up QB (again – only a dipshit cares WHY – like your whole stupid Cooper was the Red Zone threat – vice tone of the top special teams players) they turned around and traded him a couple years later for a pro-bowl CB and a second round draft pick – that I think became Curry?

The dude that executed that move should be rewarded – not shown the door – course – we are dealing with the ‘little bitch’ from GCOBB who will spend hours debating ‘why’ kolb was drafted –

who cares – Kolb WAS drafted (fact) Kolb was traded (fact) we got DCR and Curry now fact

now – it wouldn;t be a songs post without made up bull shit now would it –

here are the 2011 stats for CBs getting burned:

66 Captain Munnerlyn CAR 61 45 73.8
65 Jacob Lacey IND 68 50 73.5
64 Tracy Porter NO 73 52 71.2
63 Jerraud Powers IND 59 41 69.5
62 Orlando Scandrick DAL 62 43 69.4
61 Aaron Ross NYG 84 57 67.9
60 DeAngelo Hall WAS 94 63 67.0
59 Kyle Wilson NYJ 60 40 66.7
58 Cedric Griffin MIN 64 42 65.6
57 Quentin Jammer SD 66 43 65.2

now I hear your bullshit from 2010 – so here is the link where Football outsider ranks CBs in multiple categories – www dot footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2011/worst-cornerback-charting-stats-2010

so – songs – where did you pull that bullshit # from? Drafted in 08 – pro bowl 09 – stared all 16 games

pro football outsiders had DRC ranked #7 of all CBs in the league!

Year Team Pos Plays Stops Dfts Yd/Play Rank Stop Rate Rank Adj Pct Tm Total Rank Run/Pass Ratio
2010 ARI CB 61 25 8 9.5 78 41% 46 7% 7 0.1
2009 ARI CB 75 40 21 7.5 29 53% 11 9% 40 0.1
2008 ARI CB 58 27 17 7.0 23 47% 26 7% 63 0.1

see that 7 next to the 7% – but that would be using stats and facts – not your bullshit

and lastly – here is a chart of all 4 eagles CBs from last year:

not as good as we all thought.

Philadelpia Eagles Cornerbacks 2011
Player Charted Targets Yd/Pass Success Rate Avg. Pass Distance YAC
Asante Samuel 61 4.4 67% 14.7 2.0
Joselio Hanson 39 7.6 49% 10.6 3.3
Nnamdi Asomugha 36 9.0 56% 15.8 2.5
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie 33 6.9 61% 13.6 5.8

wow – you mean DRC actually had a better success rate the Asmo????? wow – lets keep listiending to songs bitch –

and the same article that lists all these stats – points out the Asante will do well on a team that plays zone

jakedog
jakedog
June 12, 2012 3:54 pm

Obama and Romney are both empty suits, there has been a huge void in leadership since the late, great Ronal Reagan, who understood that freedom and a large centralized government cannot exist together, its as axiomatic as the laws of physics

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 3:55 pm

Navy, Iggles started the political talk.

And as for Songs – thankfull he has no actually NFL job or power to fire GMs. By Songs’ standards, each season there would be 31 GMs fired. Eventually, there would either have to be a ‘musical chairs’ of GMs, or the quality of GMs out there would severely be diminished after a few years because once all the good ones were fired, they’d be replaced by people with less experience, and they’d keep on being fired.

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 3:57 pm

Well Jake, Reagan was a lot closer to Obama’s politics than today’s republican, and that’s for sure.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 4:00 pm

Schill – how about when Obama came out in support of his stimulus package (which Biden claimed would keep unemployment below what was it 8%?) and the Wall Street Journal and IBD both said only 25% fo the package was stimulus and that the rest was a goody bag for liberal causes…

but Obama insisted they were ‘shovel ready’ jobs… about a year afterwards, he admitted – no such thing – close GITMO..

and I have 3 people at my work that would lose or be taxed on their health plans under Obama care – whihc – you work in health care – is a farce…

the plan calls for cuts in payments – down the road….. those cuts will never take place – you and I both know folks will protest – doctors will refuse to take new patients etc. etc. etc.

as for gay marriage – nope – never passed a rule or law – he has just ordered his justice department to not defend the defense of marriage act….

we could talk about failure to close gitmo but why??

as for Bain Capital – what the hell do you think you know about Bain capital and why is it bad?? Becuase he was successful and made a profit? Damn capitalists!

and lastly (and I hate ignorance) Obama – for the first two years of his administration had a VETO proof senate – let me say that again VETO proof – in that time he passed his stimulus, Obama care and quadrupled the national debt – raising the debt limit (somethng he voted against two years prior) Obama had problems getting voted from his own party – many who ran as conservative democrats…

don;t get me start I am a registered Libertarian and very conservative.. I don;t think Obama earned a second term, but sure as hell wasn;t too happy with the Republican field…

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 4:01 pm

OK sorry schill – I was typing that and talking took to long to post it so missed that – politics gets me more fired up then football…

no more politics – promise!

jakedog
jakedog
June 12, 2012 4:05 pm

Obama is a socialist

Rasheed1
Rasheed1
June 12, 2012 4:11 pm

Jake! explain how….

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 4:14 pm

Jake – that proves that you utterly do not understand socialism. At all. Period.

Please define socialism without the word communism. Go.

Rasheed1
Rasheed1
June 12, 2012 4:16 pm

Schiller shut up and let him explain his comments… I want to hear him explain his reasoning…

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 4:18 pm

Navy – breathe dude. As for Bain – it’s the murdering of jobs that people are after. Not the profits. Anyone who claims Romney is rich because of Bain is a moron – he was ultra rich before Bain. That just helped pad his millions.

Navy – and please explain to me how 3 people you work with would lose or be taxed on their health plans – SERIOUSLY, I’m asking you to educate me on that – not even arguing politics – I’m just honestly very curious about what you’re referring to. I studied the Affordable Care Act more than anyone I know that’s not a lawyer, and I heard nothing of the sort. In fact, they specifically structured it so that anyone who wanted to keep their current coverage can.

But seriously man, politics aside, just speaking about facts, please elaborate on that. I need to understand this things.

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 4:19 pm

Sheed – fine by me, I’d love to hear what he has to say

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 4:33 pm

a broad political movement that seeks to propagate the ideals of socialism within the context of a democratic system – social democracy emphasises a program of gradual legislative reform of capitalism in order to make it more equitable and humane

see – when you live in a country where 49% of the people don;t pay taxes and the wealthiest 10% pay 70% of all income taxes and then the president states we should raise taxes on the rich so they pay there fair share…. you may have a case for socialism.. when you live in a country where someone earns income – it is taxed – then that person uses the left over after taxed money to by stock – which based upon the taxed profits of the company are returned to the investor as divideneds – which are then AGAIN taxed by the government – and you have people arguing that the second taxation isn’ enough – you may have some socialism…

when you live in a country where a compnay (Exxon for example) makes record profits becuase they make 2 cents a gallon profit for each gallon sold – but the president says he is going to take away any favorable tax advantage – becuase of those record profits – yet the government taxes a profit per gallon from 26 to 66 cent (alaska and California there).. with record high gas prices – who is the bastard and why is the government – whihc does nothing – maiking more money of a gallon then the compnay selling it then threatining the compnay? you may have some socialism… how about when your government decides wich companies to give benefits – based on social utility – loans to alternate green folks – of course those loans that will NEVER be repayed – to the tune of billions – to the ‘alternate energy companies’ that went bankrupt – (Solyndra) – for ‘green energy’ the refusal to permit more oil to be drilled or imported (via pipeline) to force social change (less reliance on fossil fuels) you may have socialism –

you may have socialism when you pass a law that requires each person to by a certain level of health insurance – monitored byt the federal government to ensure it meets the governments standards.. – possibly..

but mostimprtantly – when you have a leader that seems to place his faith that the government – either by programs or spending, has more of an ability to grow the economy then the private sector – you have a pretty good indication you may be dealing with a socialist….

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 4:46 pm

Ok Navy. I guess I see where you’re going. But socialized medicine – actually the purest form of it on earth is our own VA system – is government insurance for all, with the medical system administered by the government. The Affordable Care Act does extend Medicaid significantly, but for the most part, it puts a shit ton more poeple into the PRIVATE market.

And when you have a president who is often criticized for stimulus packages and bailouts to PRIVATE COMPANIES…uh… that doesn’t look like socialism.

It seems like a better word for Obama’s actions and policies are that he seems like a DEMOCRAT – which I cannot argue against. (though to pass anything he has to make it pretty darn conservative for democrat policy…

paulman
paulman
June 12, 2012 4:51 pm

We need a Woman President to clean up this mess these damn guys have been taking this Country down…

Term Limits…
POTUS – 1 Term (5 Years and that’s it to make your mark on History)
Senators and Congressman – 2 Terms Max ( 8 Years maximum)
Supreme Court – 1 8 Year Term and that’s it, no lifetime term

All young adults will have 3 Options between the ages of 18-20 years old and is mandatory by every US Citizen

#1) Join a US Military Branch for 2 Year Service, then Higher Education to a Public/State School or University is Free
#2) Enroll in a Higher Education, Technical or Trade School after High School
(if you Drop out or Fail, then you serve in the Military for 3 Years)
#3) Word for Peace Corps, Church and Civic Groups doing Comminuty Service, Upon completion, any Future Higher Education is Free

All kids at age 15 must turn in their Video Games, X-Boxes to their local Sherriff’s Dept. All Boys between the Ages of 14 and 18 must wear condoms 24 hours a day… All Females must be home by 9pm and acoompanied by an Adult until the age of 17

The US Boarders with Canada,Mexico should be protected by the MIlitary,
Shoot upon being seen crossing the boarder, will be the orders ask questions later..

Joe Banner should be owner of the new Los Angeles Football Franchise
Madonna needs to stop Touring and retire and live a quiet life
Any Reality Shows that has anything to do with Housewives, Whores or any people from New Jersey or about New Jersey are to be banned…

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 4:53 pm

schill – I love you man but really need to stop myself – I am bad…….

but anyway – the 40% excise tax on cadillac plans (we have 2 guys at work that will be hit with that) – we all lost the over the counter benefit plan for our HCSA without prescription –

the CBO predicted 20 million would lose their plans – the issue becomes that most companies pay anywhere between 15 and 20% for healthcare costs (medical and dental) the government will say to them – keep your health plan or pay us an 8% penalty…

the thought being that the compnaies will greatly reduce their medical costs by offloading the expensive plans and paying the government a flat 8% and with the individual mandate – the person could then go and buy a policy via the government – especially when all of the ‘required free’ stuff get placed in effect – this thing gets phased in over time..

very complicated I know… I have great medical/dental but the folks that work for small companies are very worried.. and the cadillac plan folks.. they are about to see the costs go up 40%

now – here is a good thing from Obamacare (so you see I look for good and bad) – very nice the kids are now covered till 26 – with the job market the way it is – good they still have coverage and are not out there without bennies!

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 4:53 pm

And Navy – where’d you get that definition? It’s a pretty crappy one seeing as it uses the word it tries to define.

If you look in the dictionary, the definition is FAR FAR FAR from what we currently have in America, and equally far from Obama’s policies.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 4:55 pm

thans Pman – I knwo – I need to stop – but politics is like crack for me ……

always liked Elizabeth Dole – thought she would have made a great President –

schill – sorry – I apologize – I know better..

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 5:00 pm

schill – you want to insult my definition! – Bite me! I will not get sucked back into your political diatribes! TAlk about eagles football damn you

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 5:03 pm

Navy – so let’s shoot straight here – there’s predictions that COMPANIES will change the coverage they offer employees. That’s not the government kicking people off their plans. And health care savings accounts are not medical coverage. They’re not health insurance. That’s different.

Dude, you run and/or own a comapny. Am I right or wrong?

You’re response was about what companies are predicted to do. Not about the content of the law. And it was only about cadallac plans. Those with caddalac plans are almost exclusively (pun intended) wealthy or rich. So you’re saying that the law will potentially cause rich people to spend a bit more money? Woe is me. Oh friggin no

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 5:05 pm

woman president – wouldn’t be a bad idea, but I highly doubt it would solve everything.

paulman
paulman
June 12, 2012 5:16 pm

A couple of players not reporting to Mandatory OTA CAmps this Week

– RB MJ Drew of the Jaguars– Team GM has stated publicly that he will not get a new Deal after singing a new Deal 2 years ago which still has 2 more season on it.. This will turn ugly as it already has
– DE Cliff Avril from Detroit LIons — Unhappy about Franhise Tag, has refused to sign it and will not report to Camp until he has a new Deal.. Keep an eye on this one
– WR Santonio Holmes of the JEts says he injured a hammy on workouts from last week and says he was overworked while still not in top Football Shape.. Someone just eliminate MR Holmes please, what an ass this guy is and add the CB Darrell Revis drama and of course with the Time Tebow Drama and the Jets are heading nowhere fast..

4-5 Rookies who are standing out for their Teams so far ;

WR Juron Criner from the Oakland Raiders
LB Bobby Wagner on the Seahawks
WR Reuben Randle on the GIants
QB RGIII on the Redskins
CB Stephon Gillmore on the Bills
LB Luke Kuechley of the Panthers

A few Rookies struggling so far in OTA’s
WR Justin Blackmon on the Jaguars
QB Ryan Tannehill of the Dolphins
DT Dontari Poe of the KC CHiefs
LB Cortney Upshaw of the Ravens

That’s it for now..

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Schill – yes – no the government does not kick – they are worried there compnaies will dump – HCSA is diffrent but I consider part of the same ‘benefits’ package (you base you med insurance you buy and your HCSA to cover things like deductible and co-pays right?) No – work for the government (federal) – used to be independent option trader –

yes – the law leads to the prediction (common sense) – the cadillac plans are ‘mostly’ geared to the wealthy – but we have some folks that have family members with serious health issues so ‘more’ economical to buy the cadillac – and remember – wealthy is in the eye of the beholder – I know docs that make 600K that are living paycheck to paycheck and retired Chief PEtty officer’s living the high life in the phillipines on 35K pensions!

Cheers!

paulman
paulman
June 12, 2012 5:19 pm

I am not naiive to think everything will be solved by a Woman Schiller, How about fixing 1 or 2 things a year and I would be happy with that as a start..

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
June 12, 2012 5:20 pm

any word on how our boy Burflict is doing in OTAs?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
June 12, 2012 5:23 pm

Sheed are you the man formally known as Scorpius? haven’t seen him around in a while, that was my dude, your comments and train of thought, seems pretty similar….

paulman
paulman
June 12, 2012 5:29 pm

I haven’t heard anything about Burfict (which means he must be doing ok and keeping his nose out of trouble) But the Bengals have a pretty solid LB corps with Starters Ray Muluaga, Thomas Howard, Dontay Moch, Manny Lawson
but should stick as a reserve/special team if he stays out of trouble

pheags88
pheags88
June 12, 2012 6:49 pm

For whatever its worth..was listening to my dude Missanelli (Schiller’s bff lol) coming home from work and he had Sal Pal on like usual who has been a regular at Birds practice so far…Now Sal Pal is not exactly the best reporter alive but he did say something interesting about the Eagles practice basically abandoning most of the Wide 9 to the point of them not even running it much at all anymore in their formations…Hope this is true and they only use it on those 3rd and longs…I do like how they tightened it up at the LOS at the end of the year and it seemed to be beneficial (even though they were playing against trash)…still I hoped they would keep it up for this season. I also like how they had Babin and other DEs standing and roaming around prior to the snap unlike the traditional DE stance (didn’t the Giants run a simliar styles in the SB runs??)…seemed to really work on passing situations. If there is a special name for that type of D I don’t know but I hope they keep doing that as well to be unpredictable. (RMbr Romo bashing our play calling in the playoff loss to them…basically he said he knew exactly who was blitzing and from where they were coming from, he thought it was hilarious. Rly pissed me off we couldn’t even fool that POS)

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
June 12, 2012 6:49 pm

Burfict wil be an all pro within the next few years….paste it

schiller
schiller
June 12, 2012 7:55 pm

navy, sure those who need to utilize the medical system a lot because of diseases/sickness also make up a portion of those with cadallac plans (those who can afford it in the first place), but you can’t possibly make an argument that the Affordable Care Act wouldn’t be more favorable to them then NOT having the Affordable Care Act.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
June 12, 2012 8:00 pm

Navy….libertarian eh? Nice. Do you read Mish Shedlock (economic blog?)

Love your tongue in cheek “its soooo good” that “kids” are covered under their parent’s plan until 26.

That’s precisely what is wrong in the twilight of the West. 26 yr old adults are considered kids by the perpetual nanny state.

I might also suggest reading a little Mark Steyn.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
June 12, 2012 8:08 pm

And Schiller….please, I’m getting a little riled up, so you might want to back off the arguements for a national socialized healthcare prgm. As I (probably) am the only one who has actually had to love under such a program.

Believe me, you don;t want anything to do with it. Equal care for all = shit care for all, and believe me, if the complaint is that the poor don;t get good care otherwise while the rich get the best…believe me, nothing changes under a socialized system, save the middle class sees their services wither. Do you want to know where rich Canadians get their care? I’ll give you 3 guesses, but the new clinics opening in Syracuse, Buffalo, Niagra Falls, Massena may point you in the right direction.

Did you know the city of Philadelphia has more MRI machines than the entire county of Canada. Socialized medicine. You can have it.