I loved the game plan the Birds put together for Nick Foles and the Eagles offense. This used to be a strength of the Andy Reid and his staff, but it hasn’t been nearly as much this year. It seems that they stressed the passing game this year despite factors which made the running seem to make much more sense.
Reid and Marty Mornhinweg did a great job of tailoring the game plan to their talent, which should be the first rule of putting together a game plan. Initially, they got Bryce Brown going, then they let Foles start going deeper down the field. He throws the slant route very accurately, they give him the chance to throw it.
Reid and Mornhinweg let him get the football out of his hands and complement the running game. He threw some screens to slow down the pass rush. They got Brent Celek involved, so that Foles would be able to get rid of the ball sooner than waiting for the wide receivers to get open. It’s a shame they didn’t do this earlier in the year.
There were times earlier in the season when Michael Vick was struggling, the pass rush was pounding him and they could have taken the heat off of him by letting the passing game be the complement to the running game rather than vice versa.
The same is true during Donovan McNabb’s time here. For some reason Reid and Mornhinweg refuse to take the pressure of their number one quarterback if he’s getting his brains beat in, by running the football and keeping the pass rush at bay. This is a stubborness which hurt Reid and his staff.
I was afraid this would be your take on things G. That somehow the coaches call a different game plan for Foles than for Vick or Mcnabb. Mcnabb never knew how to throw a fade pattern. And Vick can’t throw slants because they get batted down all the time. Due to his lack of height, Vick had to take deeper drops than Foles does. Bryce Brown also wasn’t running the ball. The game planning changes due to a QB’s strength and weaknesses, and Vick is not strong in the short passing game.
@kevinkolb – if you dont think the game was called differently, you must watch the game with blinders on…The run game alone is the key….forgot about the passing attempts…you mix up run to pass the way the Eagles have done the last two weeks, good things happen…do you know how to read? or do you watch the games?…There were plenty of times this year where 7 did not take 7 step drops, took 3-5 step drops and completed passes… G Cobb mentions that the Eagles should of ran the ball early in the season to take the pressure (blitz) off of 7…that’s all that was said…with a screen name like yours, we already know one reason why you are salty, no doubt
100% agree G. Always amazed me at how he does this. We started the year with a great RB and yet he still threw it down field. Amazing RB goes down and its run run run.
This, for me will always be how I remember Andy…. the guy who hires Oline coaches to run his D, the guy who threw with no WR’s (old andy), the guy who didnt need FB’s and LB’s and return men.
Completely different game plan last night. The kind we’ve been asking for for years,
Maybe it’s really Kevin kolb posting being that he’s injured and has lots of time on his hands
“Reid And Mornhinweg Finally Put Together A Good Game Plan”
Only took them, what, 6-7 years?
Maybe Michael Vick gave them some advice on ‘how not to get a QB killed’ and they listened.
Unlike Cobb, I don’t give them credit for anything. I attribute any credit for changes made to the Eagles offensive approach to pressure from the fans and the media who have been begging, pleading, cajoling, and threatening them for YEARS to have a more balanced approach and to play to the teams strengths, not their obvious weaknesses. Moronweg (and Reid by association) is just that…A MORON. Every time the fans holler, they change…temporarily. And then, the first chance they get, they go back to their old ways. Pass deep, pass medium, pass short, PUNT!! The sooner these clowns are outta here, the better off this team will be that is, if the idiot owner has the guts to fire them and hire a coach who will resurrect the Eagles and I believe Gruden would be the perfect coach to accomplish that objective.
Andy Reid certified quarterback killer, ask kolb, Vick
Foles will start for the remainder of the year.. thats good news…we need to see what we have. I expect a solid balanced attack like the one we had last night.
Riley Cooper has as many TD’s as DJax TWO
someone please explain how Marty still has a job?
Riley Cooper should have been on every red zone play this year and DJax should have been on the bench for every red zone play also
Frustrating as hell, that you wait so long to decide to balance the offense… a bunch of arrogant SOBs… a run game has always been a QB’s best friend whether it’s the #1 or #2 QB… He did it to McNabb and he did it to Vick…pass pass pass…Big Red destroyed this franchise with his arrogance… and now we have to sit back and wonder if Foles is the guy, I guess we will see. Good riddance to the Washburn 9… I’m pissed that you run the ball NOW like you couldve been doing for years. 4 more games of Andy… can’t wait.
Chuck, I don’t think the run/pass ratio has changed that drastically…Reid let a rookie QB drafted in the 3rd round drop back to throw 35 times. More times than they called the run…
And sure they are calling shorter routes and pass plays now because you actually have a QB that can see over the LOS. That obviously would make a difference and help the play calling. Vick needs to take the 7 step drops to see.
I do agree with you tho about Reid/Washburn destroying the franchise. We are a laughing stock right now. Probably more of a joke than the JEts which I didn’t think was possible. It will take years and years to fix Reid’s mess.
That wide 9 crap was a fucking joke. Can win Superbowls which crap like that. Yet, cant really blame Washburn too much even if his was an asshole. Reid brought that asshole and his wide 9 BS here
REaltalk, obviously there will be somewhat of a change in game plan when you actually have a QB that can see over the LOS. They are 2 completely different QBS…Only an idiot would think they would call the same exact plays they did with Vick
pheags…you are the dumb ass to the highest power…you run around here throwing your hissy fits and temper tantrums…
Now from a knowledgeable football fan to an ignorantly selective one…the pass plays that were called were the same pass plays we’ve seen with Vick…But the mix up of run and pass was quite different…it kept the defense off balance did not let them load up and blitz…Cowboys don’t blitz much as it is…then when the run game was grooving like it was with Brown breaking 30 yard runs, the blitz came less…Seeing over the LOS, has absolutely nothing to do with anything…in fact the height of M Vick isn’t the issue…Vick had success this season with 3-5 step drops…you still don’t see many over the middle passes even with the 6;6 Foles in at QB…you can take your hostility elsewhere bitch, it may work for those that don’t know the game, don’t work on me!
That makes no sense. You’d think they would call more pass plays for the guy that can see over the LOS (Foles) and more runs for the guy that can’t (Vick).
You also don’t have your number 1 WR/Deep threat playing either…What are you going to do, call a 7 step drop back for Avant or Cooper to go deep?
Ummm, you have Maclin you can still go deep. Cooper isn’t the fastest but with some protection you can still go deep…in fact with his “height” he’s probably the best player to go deep too…I guess calling a 7 step drop behind a terrible O Line is fine…Possibly the coaches now realize how they have to adjust the game plan for the O Line and the rookie QB…which is why you don’t see 7 step drops…too much pressure on this line to hold for those type of plays..was too much pressure for this O Line from day 1. take your blinders off and watch the games with a broader view…you stupid fuck!
You just can’t take it can you? You can’t stop making excuses for Vick. Unreal, Vick will be lucky to be a backup next year. Stop making excuses,
This aint about Vick…this is about the game planning/play calling the offensive coaches made yesterday, that put the players in good positions…This is what its about…so shut your dumb ass up…I’m making excuses because I’m pointing out the obvious? really? I swear I wish I met some of you guys in person, that talk so tough behind the keyboard…
I was waiting for this… thank you phag… its not about gameplan…. the birds are running more because the starting qb is short. Muahahaha. Im going to be writting a book.
Since we are looking to the future I don’t think we are YEARS away. They need a new attitude and a couple defensive playmakers. Don’t draft a high motor tweener. Take a solid stud or two
You know I have to comment on this one:
1 – Foles said today the TD to Cooper was an audible at the line. Said they entered a formation and he expected a different D. That he liked the matchup with Cooper so signaled him and td.
May have been the best thing I’ve read this year.
2 – One of the absolute best signs we saw last night was that the Cowboys were not blitzing Foles very much. This is a very positive sign. Why weren’t they blitzing? What were they afraid of? Remember, good QBs want teams to blitz.
3 – Foles had another solid day executing the gameplan. He was asked to throw the ball 35x, and managed to actually throw the ball 34X. 97% of called passes were actually thrown. He’s now at 93% on the year. That’s above NFL average.
4 – Another encouraging sign is Foles had his highest yards/att, at 7.4y/att. (a number Vick was only able to beat 2x this year – Balt and NYG) Foles average now 6y/att on the season….almost a yard lower than Vick’s average of 6.9. Foles is lower than most of his contemporaries at this point…RGIII 8.2, Wilson 7.4, Luck 7.1, Tannehil 7, Wheedon 6.5…but they all started off low and improved…hopefully Foles does the same…was encouraging to see him well over 7 yrds/att vs the Boys.
5 – No ints. Foles with a second game with no ints. His int % down to 2.3%. Our former starting QB was at 2.8%. 2.3% is very low for a rookie…..RGIII 1.3%, Luck 3.2%, Tannehil 3.3%, Wheeden 3.5%, Wilson 2.5%….I actually am expecting a Foles 4 int stinker at some point to push him back up around 3%….but for now….$$
5 – Only 1 sack and 0 scrambles. Hit 4x after throwing. What was that about my saying Oline would instantly improving after the former superstar left? Foles has been sacked on 5.7% of his dropbacks (and falling). Vick was at 8% of his dropbacks. This is no suprise as it happened every time the former superstar got hurt in Atl, it happened after he left Atl, and its happening again.
6 – High comp %. Came in at 65% this game and his average on the year is now at 61%. Higher than our former starter, and in very good stead against his contemporaries…RGIII 67%, Wildon 63%, Tannehil 58%, Luck 56%, Wheedon 57%…..
7 – Led offense to its highest point total of the year. Now 2 str8 games over 20 pts. Something Eagles only able to do 2 other times this year.
ALl-in-all, very encouraging. WIll he have a setback??….I could see it….often happens. But right now….encouraging…..
Cowboys were afraid of the run, Sis…they weren’t afraid of the QB…C’mon be serious! The Eagles were pulling off 20+ runs every other play for a while, against the blitz…which definitely helps…Then on top of it, the cowboys are one of the least blitzing teams in the NFL…
Nice try trying to spin it
Stop smoking the chronic dude. Yor drawin man
haha…you are one stupid mtf….
Fact the Cowboys are one of the least blitzing teams in the NFL…look it up…
Fact, the run game can neutralize the blitz…which it did last night…
I’mma keep smoking the cronic…but I suggest you lay off the crack!
pass dat shyt this way playboy…always babysittin
I’m sure the commissioner of the AAU league and the parents of the kids that you ‘coach’. Would like to know about that. You really are unreal
jokes that all it was, havenobrain! you stupid mtf! you don’t know me…you said for me to stop smoking cronic…as if I need to explain myself to you, you can think what you want to think, but since you said I’m smoking cronic from my comment, then obviously from your comments you must be on crack…thats the point I was making…you are about as dumb as a person can be.
hahaha…just to point out…I coach inner city youth who parents drug of choice is the same as yours…crack! you dumb fuck!
I worked with inner city kids for 32 years. Not all parents are on crack. Your drawin’
Duh, of course it doesn’t apply to all parents.
it took till the first cowboys game to throw a fade to cooper, it took half the year to run more than pass inside the 10, it took 14 years to draft a decent linebacker. ive seen enough of this guy. Oh and the first play from scrimmage was….. wait for it….. PLAY ACTION DEEP BALL!!!! get these stale clowns out of my city
Stat man is back, Vinnie we all saw that Foles looked terrific last night. I guess Damaris Johnson turned the corner last night and our special teams are going to be better too right. You guys are funny.
But he says he doesn’t have an agenda
good point Lion…very good point! These cats are very funny, only see what they want to see..only hear what they want to hear.
Paulman actually E-Mailed Coach AR and MM Sunday’s Offensive Game Plan
about 20 minutes before Kickoff in case anyone was wondering ..
Obviously you cant read Stevo. On top of it your full of shit. At least Realtalk doesn’t bounce around in his posts the way you do even if I think he is wrong most of the time. I don’t know how many times you say Vick was never your guy but then your follow up posts contradict that. Just admit it at least.
“the birds are running more because the starting qb is short” Nope never said that retard. I said they call less 7 step drop backs because they have a QB now who is much taller than the previous one. Don’t need to step back that much when he cleary has an advantage of seeing over the LOS. So Keep making shit up dumbass. And again, they called 35 pass plays to like 25 runs…still were passing more. You guys talk as if we ran the ball every play. MAybe they ran a little bit more because we were actually winning the game. We haven’t exactly had many leads this year like we did yesterday.
so a person with down syndrome cant read? what is wrong with you? that may be the worst thing written here….. I dont have downs.. although I work with some kids that do and they are kind.
anyway…… Im not sure ive ever said anything that would lead anyone to believe im a fan of him. However, i dont just make crap up and pretend that its real. For example…… Vick has not done that many 7 step drops this year….. BUT….. even the ones he has done are CALLED PLAYS. Thats the part you guys dont get….. every play has a set number of steps attached to them. So…. the idea that Vick drops back 7 steps because he wants to is silly…. stupid even. This isnt backyard football…. but anyway…. im done with Vick. He’s done.
as far as them CALLING less & step drops (hurrah for you for knowing they are CALLED… thats more than some of these guys) did you notice the WR’s have been doing quick curl routes these last few weeks? Did you notice the flats being used? The play calling has been changed. They arent trying to “air it out” or “let her fly” anymore. PLUS….. a friggin draw play actually keeps the OLB and DE’s out of the backfield. Who would have thought…. a draw play. Like we havent been screaming for flats and draw plays for months.
“&” means 7 in my world. sorry.
Disagree with you G. Andy has never emphasized the run even if It the opposing D was last in the league in defending the run. It has always been pass with him. Even when he did not have the receivers he believed passing was the way to go. Remember the “are receivers are fine” dialogue. You know when it was Thrash and Pinkston and Smalls. Then he goes and gets TO. Then you would have to listen to his post game comments where he would say”we thought we saw something there that we could take advantage of”. Just so he could make an excuse of throwing 40-45 times.
Philly…. his first year. we had duce. It lasted a very short time but there was a time when he would focus on a balanced attack and even get the TE’s going early.
Your right Stevo, but you know what I remember from the Duce/AR years? A 7-0 lead against TB and he stopped giving the ball to Duce and the passing era began in Philly. Heartbreaking.. just heartbreaking.
Vikings have made progress this season with Ponder
After a lot of off-field issue with Boat-Gate, CB Cook and other player with Character issues, it’s very unlikely for them to go out an Sign Vick
They need some WR weapons to go along with Ponder, Petersen
And Percy Harvin and their TE’s
WR J Simpson gas been a Free-Agent Bust
paulman do you watch the games or just type stuff? Ponder is playing terrible if anything he’s regressing damn. I hate typing that because I love the Seminoles but really my man he is stinking it up.
They would go with Joe Webb before they even thought about Michael Vick.
Joe Webb beat Vick onthat dreadful Tuesday evening game due to a snow storm if anyone recalls
And we a remember the lack of pocket prescience Vichy had and never saw, felt a blitzing CB from 10 yards away to take a crucial sack and then make matters worse. Allowed the blitzing CN to PU the ball and run it back for a TD just before halftime which gave the Vikes the lead and momentum to go on and upset the Eagles
Vick and the MV7 eagles Offense have still never gotten on track after the play the cganged the area chose in my opinion
Just Brutal to even Type or think about
That was the beginning of the end of the Andy Reid era we just didn’t know it then.
Ponder? lol
Try Adrian “Im not Human” Peterson. He s unbelievable 1446 yards in only 12 games, off a tore ACL ,averaging over 6 yards per carry, with an 82 yard td run and a 200 yard game..
Paulman… i live here… i watch the games… ponder sucks. They are begging for vick here. Begging. He WONT throw down field. Weak arm… pick after pick. They have an oline and a rb.
They might be begging for a new QB, but they aren’t begging for Vick.
They are. Not saying they should be but.. they are.
Id like to retain vick at a lower cost but this year is the best year for free agent quarterbacks because the draft is so weak.
What you’d like isn’t going to happen.
Their Owner (Wolfman or whatever his name is) is not going to approve bringing in a Player with a Checkered past like QB Vick has.. Sorry Stevo, It’s not happening, They will continue to build with Ponder and look to add some WR and Def Secondary help as they move forward to remain competitive in a tough
NFC North Division..
Sorry Pman… their owner brought in Favre…. pics of junk….. ego bigger than yours…… affairs the entire NFL knew about. Their owner kept some players after the love boat scandal…. their owner doesnt care. He waived last year to the cameras while smiling when his team was getting blown out. Please Pman… talk about the Panthers… leave the other teams to us.
for the record… i dont think it will get done BUT….. the fans here are begging to get Vick. These fans are clueless tho so it does not surprise me.
You think the Wolfman gives a shit what the Vikings Fans care about..
C’Mon Stevo, Your getting funny on us now.. Maybe it’s that Minnesota Water or something..
Pman…. spin away as always…..
U said Vick out of football because noone wants him
I said…. wrong….. Viking fans want him
U said….. wrong.. Christian Ponder.
I said… Ponder blows
U said…. Owner wouldnt want him because he has ponder and vick has off the field issues.
I said… owner is clueless and knows nothing. also… He doesnt care about the team… or what they do…. he cares ONLY about money.
My point is simple….. I could see Vick being here next year because they need a QB and he would fill the stadium(although i dont care and if he did come Id hope he got pounded).
My overall point…. you were wrong…. and ARE wrong many times…. although your ego wont allow such talk.
Stevo,
Mike Vick will receive little to no interest by people who actually make the decisions in the NFL and not by the Fans..
\ Your basically saying that the Vickings are goign to scrap and 1st Round Drafr Pick after his 1st Full Season and sign the 33 Year old VIck since the Vikings are close to contenting for the SUper Bowl.. That’s Assanine
in fact the Vikings have over-achieved this Season and are at least competitive.. They definitely need more weapons Offensively besides Adrian Peterson which is waht they will focus on in the Off-Season not Mike Vick.. What other Franchise do you want to talk about or discuss Off-Season plans.. ..
There could be interest from a few teams…like Chiefs, Raiders, Bills, Arizona, Jets….
There are quite a few teams who would look at him in a backup QB role…or hell maybe even a team decides to let Vick be Vick and run some options.
Teams will focus on making their roster better Paulman! If they believe Vick makes them better they will roll the dice…Not all teams are in rebuilding mode, like the Chiefs (they have pieces, to be a very solid team) even the Bills.
I find the Jets an interesting situation…Sanchez has had trouble moving the team between the 20’s…That hasn’t been Vick’s issue. Rex Ryan needs to win now, he will be on the hot seat in 2013, or even now. Obviously he doesn’t have much faith in Tebow…
And if we start talking about NFL backups, the number of teams interest would probably triple.
” Your basically saying that the Vickings are goign to scrap and 1st Round Drafr Pick after his 1st Full Season and sign the 33 Year old VIck since the Vikings are close to contenting for the SUper Bowl.. That’s Assanine”
Close…. what Im saying is that Ponder was a reach…. everyone knew that. What im saying is that…. just like they did with Favre…. the Viking KNOW they need more from the QB position than they are getting. They have a good line… GREAT RB and a few pieces on D. They NEED a QB… to win,.. to save the HC’s job…. to compete. Its pretty clear Ponder is not the guy.
about the Vikes being better than expected. Agreed. BUT….. they had one of the softest early schedules out there. The beat a San Fran team though and that was not expected. They have free fallen since AND… its only going to get worse. Its pretty clear that a decent QB would really change things here. In fact… they would have beaten the Pack on Sunday if they had that.
They DOOOOO have more weapons than A.P. They’ve got good TE’s and they’ve got Harvin who is like Djax except they use him better.
In the end…. I think they make a play for Alex Smith or Flynn. If those guys dont shake lose, I wouldnt be surprised to see Vick land there.
NFL QB Rankings per Espn (For Stevo)
#25 C Ponder QB Ratind 79.4% 248-385 for 63% 2300yds-14 Td’s-11 Int and 27 Sacks
#26 M Vick QB Rating 79.2% 185-316 for 59% 2165 yds 11 Tds- 9 Int
and 27 Sacks …
I really can see the OWner and new GM of th VIkings going for Mike VIck…
Wake up Stevo, it’s about to be 2013 ..Vick is yesterday’s news and will gone like V Young, D McNabb,and soon to be Kevin Kolb, Mark Sanchez..
tha’s my job.
Paulman that’s Vinnie’s job what are you doing?
Im not biting. I stand by what I said. All i said is that THE PEOPLE HERE WANT HIM.
To think we spent all that time arguing kolb v. Vick and both soon to be chucked to the iron heap, all is vanity
Whatever happened to NavyEaglesFan? Did he ever come eat his crow from Songs??
Paulman is negoitiating with MTV for a new Reality Show featuring down an out NFL Players
1st Episode are the return of Terrell Owens/Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
2nd Episode is D McNabb/K Kolb/M Vick in a cheap re-make of “Tres Amigo’s”
3rd Episode will focus on ex-Return Players like Via Sikahema,Vince Papale,
Reno Mahe and the very funny and unnderrated Greg Lewis
4th Episode will have some ex-WR’s and will have Freddie Mitchell, Hank Baskett, Reggie Brown, and Jeremy Bloom
I think Chad and Donovan are living pretty good, wouldn’t exactly what call them down and out.
Good try though I get your premise.
o silly people, seeing what they want to see.
they have ran the ball NO more than they have any other week really… maybe a couple carries, but its insignificant. What they are doing better is actually running the ball with consistant success.
People think that keep feeding the ball to mccoy when he is gettin 2 yards a carry is going to help anything, the bottom line is they have ran the ball much better these last 2 weeks… that allows the play actions to work better, and opponents to respect the run more, and defenses to play a little softer… I dont think anything else happened differently
Zoltek, they have made the run a FOCAL point in the offense. WTF are you talking about? Are you watching the games?
Zoltek has not clue what he is talking about…just because the total carries may be similar to those before Brown/Foles does not mean they are running the ball the same…
The game plan is totally different. The Eagles are running earlier and much more often…They are mixing up the run/pass much more, keeping the defense guessing…The offense has not been that predictable over the last few weeks…
Ochocino is doing pretty good
Go ask his Kayleyers and financial advisors how he’s doing
I do like the job that McNabb is doing on the NFL Network
He’s a bright. Articulate and has a good feel in explaining the Game
He has a bright future in working with media
I live in Florida I have sources that tell me Chad is living well.
Vikings is best landing spot for Vick. Ad there are more than a few fans calling for him on sites like ESPN and NFL.com.
It’s a good fit. Peterson is going to be their centerpiece. Harvin is there. That Kalil (sp) will be watching his blind side. It’s a match made in football heaven. Vick can move the ball up and down the field. Peterson is well Peterson. It would work and work well.
Do I think it’s gonna happen? I think it’s doubtful…but I see the lobbying and the stories already popping up online. It would be a good place for him to land.
STEVO you may not be a fan of Vick but you give honest, realistic commentary unlike other folk here. That I can respect. Not liking a player doesn’t’ mean one should lose their critically thinking abilities.
Thank you. I try to keep my head.
Btw… im not sold that vick would be a good fit in mn… but they do have a good line and they use the run.
“critical thinking abilities”
After watching RG3 the rook and Andrew Luck the rook I am really trying to warm up to Foles but it just doesnt even out. I mean I see Ponder, Tannehill, Gabbert etc. Then I watch RG3 and Luck and its just another level. They have the IT factor. I dont think their teams were saying lets see how they look after 6-7 weeks. Thats the difference between a franchise QB and a team having to look at a QB 6 weeks to see if he can even play. SMH
good points daggolden
Agreed….. but…. we dont have a luck or rg3 ro chose from. We have what we have. At least we got rid of kolb.