It was all about the quarterbacks today at Chip Kelly’s day-after news conference. First, he talked about Nick Foles and he couldn’t explain why he played so poorly, still the head coach didn’t think it was the pressure of the moment that threw Foles off.
“Nick never struck me as a guy where the moment kind of catches him”, Kelly said. “He came off the bench against the Giants without taking a snap and led us on a drive to get a field goal in a critical situation. When I saw him play in college, I don’t think any time in college did I see Nick get overwhelmed by the moment.”
As for the health of the second-year signal caller, Kelly said Foles did suffer a concussion and he doesn’t know his status going forward because once a player suffers a concussion much of the decision-making regarding his return to the field of play is out of the coach’s and trainer’s hands.
“I saw Nick after the game last night. He seems like he is doing well,” said Kelly today. “There is a protocol and a system that you go through before he’s cleared but he says he feels good, so we’ll see how it goes as the week progresses.”
Kelly had little to say about the awful debut of rookie Matt Barkley.
“Difficult situation for him to come into,” said Kelly, “and I’m sure he would want those throws back.”
As for Michael Vick, Kelly let us know that Vick was put through a work out on the Lincoln Financial Field turf before yesterday’s game and he’s doing better than he was doing previously. He put emphasis on the fact that Vick won’t be pushed into playing, until he’s ready to go health-wise.
“You ask that question 27 times, you’re going to keep getting the same answer,” Kelly said. “My decision who the quarterback is is based on health, so right now I don’t know who’s healthy and who’s not healthy, and until we find out who’s healthy, it doesn’t help anybody to say, ‘That guy’s our starter.’” He said the same thing a few different ways. “It’s all based on what his health is,” Kelly said. “I’m not going put Mike out there if Mike can’t be productive. …That doesn’t change. Just because someone else got hurt, that doesn’t make another guy get healthy quicker.”
So as things stand right now, the Eagles only have one quarterback who is definitely healthy enough to play. That’s Matt Barkley. He’s a rookie who threw three interceptions in one quarter of work, but he will be the starting quarterback if the others can’t go and that would also force the Birds to sign another quarterback to back him up.
Things don’t look good from an offensive standpoint in the upcoming New York game, right now because the Giants defense did a great job of stopping LeSean McCoy and the Eagles running game. Add Barkley to that equation throwing the ball and that equals some major problems on the offensive side of the football.
Vick and Foles need to hurry up and get better, and the defense must continue to play well.
I dont think Foles will be able to go. Mike better be ready.
If Foles is healthy he should go.
Rushing Vick back from this type of injury would screw us later in the year. And as badly as he played yesterday I still think he can beat a done for Giants.
I hope he can anyway.
I really don’t want to see Barkley near center, though I do think there is something there with him.
LOL
So you go on and on and on about how much better Vick is than anything else the Birds have.
It was all about “win now!!” It wasn;t about the future it was about NOW!!
So isn’t MV7 at 75% better than anythone else? Isn’t that the story??
And if so, then how can you be calling for someone else? To “save” Vick for the future.
If the birds were playing for the future they should be starting Foles.
If they’re playing “week by week” (as I’ve been told a million times by you clowns….then it has to be the superstar doesn’t it.
Divisional game. Pretty important.
Better go with the better player.
@welcher “If the birds were playing for the future they should be starting Foles” They tried that idiot… didn’t you see Sunday’s game???? Foles had everyone fooled. But hopefully Mhenski was right and they pulled him to “save him from the fans”. Cause if he’s wrong… it’s Kevin Kolb 2.0 and from the looks of that “head injury” the Birds are already half way there.
Hey weren’t you the Giants fan that said we should should have kept Kolb?
One things for sure…We all will agree that we’d rather see Vick or Foles instead of Matt…no offense but he just aint ready!
Yep.
I got three names and one trade at the beginning of the season that keeps the Birds out of this situation:
Clay Harbor
Russell Shephard
Dennis Dixon
Trade: Nick Foles to a team in need of QB for a solid Safety or Corner
Clay would have been a great #2 in the absences of Maclin. He ran good routes, has great hands, and decent speed.
Russell Shephard could have been groomed to replace Avant in the slot. Great hands and great speed.
Dennis Dixon would have been a much more serviceable back up than Foles. Former Heisman Trophy front runner (until he blew out his knee) and Kelly’s former QB.
Trade of Foles before his stock was diminishing could have yielded the birds a very good defensive player.
Oh well….
Disagree- Clay- anytime a player is moved from 1 spot to another late in camp… it means that he is not very good but they are trying to give him another shot at another spot.
Point taken regarding Clay. He wasn’t the best TE but I still believe he would have developed into a better #2 WR than Cooper. The Eagles don’t run complex route concepts or complex individual routes for that matter (not saying the’re not in the playbook, just saying I haven’t noticed the complexity in their route running) so I think he could have caught on soon enough. At the very least he and Cooper could have been a 1-2 punch.
Foles has no trade value now whatsoever.
Fuck YA!
Dennis Dixon. That would have been the answer.
Can’t believe no one else thought of this.
@welcher… LOL!!! that was almost funny. Try again. But this time take a second to stop “coaching” the 14 yr old girls.
The guy who thinks Dennis Dixon is the answer reduced to making pseudo child molestation jokes.
Stay classy.
@Welcher… with regards to the 14yr old girls… did you or did you not state that you coach 14yr olds in a TWO HAND TOUCH LEAGUE??? LOL!!!!! Your response reeks of guilt. How you got molestation out of me repeating what you said on this very board during one of your mindless petulant rants against Vick is very peculiar.
Stay honest. 😉
Dixon is on the Bills practice squad and can be picked up anytime, they just picked up the other kid we had in training camp, we also picked up the LB Acho who lit it up in the pre season.
Clay Harbor? Yeah, because the ninety TE’s on the roster already, that are being utilized, aren’t enough! O.o
I also find it interesting how quickly Vick’s hamstring is suddenly healing after Foles had a bad game….
@welcher we find it interesting that you don’t honor bets even when you said you were too classy not to.
As for Vick’s hamstring injury healing so quickly… “As for Michael Vick, he is still in the process of rehabbing from his hamstring injury. He was in for treatment Monday morning, but there is no other update on his status. Kelly was adamant that the team will not put Vick at risk nor clear him to play if he is not totally healthy and cannot be productive. As he has since suffering the injury, Vick will inform Kelly of his status throughout the week.
So who will take the first-team reps come practice on Tuesday?”
Now, I know why Vick was all cool during the press conference with Foles…I know he was thinking the fans will be begging for him after the Cowboys game.
We really need to count our blessings….just imagine if Foles was the starter with Barkley as the Backup with no Michael Vick on the team.
But Foles and Barkley sucks gorilla nuts.
Let’s lock Vick up for a few years to mentor the QB we’ll get in the draft and see if we can fleece tampa bay out of a pick for Foles because they’re the only team right now that may think he’s worth something.
Vick will come in this weekend and take the team on a 5 game winning streak.
Hot going into the playoffs.
Go Vick!
Go Eagles!
LOL
I like your optimism, but I’m not convinced Vick is going to be back this weekend….though I do beleive we can kick some ass in the games coming up.
You know what’s funny, how you put “Go Vick!” before “GoEagles!”
Very interesting.
he’s an idiot Dcar…He can’t even get that right. It’s all about Vick as it is with many of these people. Fuck it They are happy bring Mediocre at best as long as they can have him…Im not wasting my time on any so called Eagles fan that is happy at 8-8.
For all those that think Chip is all about signing his Oregon crew, Dennis Dixon is on the Bills practice squad which means he could of picked him up, instead, he just picked up G.J. Kinne who was with us this pre season, we also picked up LB Acho who we all thought was a lock to make this team.
I’ve been reading this site for a while now but never posted. The impatience with some people on this site is crazy. My feel is that you’ll never know what you have in Foles if you are too afraid to give him the reigns for a while.
And I actually give Vick a lot of credit. I think he’s tough as nails. You can’t bang on him for last year. He was getting pounded left and right. Kind of reminds me of AI with the Sixers, he was giving it all he had. But I just think you have to look objectively at it and say Vick is what he is. He might get you a game or two more this year (maybe) but then what next year?Sometimes you need to take one step back to take three steps forward.
Just the same you can’t use Foles’ record last year and have anyone take you seriously. Unless you didn’t watch at all last year and you are looking online for stats. Then it might make sense to you.
Welcome to the mess…I agree with you 100%.
Vick needs to take his time and heal we will need him for the stretch run.
They lose to Giants and fall to 3-5 and 2-2 in the NFC East and 3-2
In NFC Conference Play, and there may not be a Final Stretch
Vick with his 12 Years experience should be able to perform at a high enough level to at least move the Offense even if his Hanstribg is 80-85%
It’s been 3 Weeks now.. Can Vick attempt to play a Game as a “Pocket Passer”.. RGIII had to for a couple of games before getting up to speed
49ers has played a couple of Games from the Pocket, without running often..
It can be done and of course, the Read-Option would have to be limited and more Plays and Formations would have to added into the aflame Pkan but that’s why Chip Kelly gets paid the big bucks,
You adjust your game plan to who you have and to what their current abilities are.. Vick has to step up and Play
Foles will be bastard buly the NFL to sit out at least 1 week as all
“Concussed Players” do..
It has to be Vick this week and a revised scheme and game plan, is Kelly Creative enough to come up with this.. We will see if he’s ready ready to be a NFL Coach this week versus the Giants
Look at all the Injurues around the NFL
Bears will be without Cutker
Rans without Bradford
Bills have used 3 QB’s in 7 Games
Vikings going on their 3rd QB in their 7th Game
The Browns, Raiders, Jaguars, Texans have all had to change schemes and game plans this Season dur to using 2 QB’s..
It happens and the Best Coaches prepare and improvise
Let’s see Kelly earn his $6 Million Per Season
Deal this Week..and yes, this probably means playing a 85% healthy Mike Vick,
But that’s life in the NFL, dealing with adversity
And making adjustments so no sense in him or anyone else crying about it,
He better be working on a plan and quickly
I’m amazed at the absurd loyalty of Michael Vick fans…every excuse in the book is made for him and his horrible performances. I’ve never seen anything like it. Keep in mind that since he has been the full time starter and signed that huge contract the Eagles have never had a winning season. They were 1 and 3 when he was injured this year…but you followers seem to overlook that. It’s obvious that you know nothing about football or about what it takes to play quarterback in the NFL.
That being said to suggest that Nick Foles or Matt Barkley can’t play based on such a small sample size is equally absurd. Most rookie quarterbacks experience growing pains and make mistakes. Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Joe Montana…all had losing seasons their first full year as starters. If they played in Philly the fans would run them out of town. You need to reset at some point and that means starting a rookie and seeing what they have. There was no reason start let alone sign Vick as he will never lead any team to a super bowl and this current team, as constructed has no chance of winning one. This year should have been about seeing what you have, either in Foles or Barkley, and then going from there. Foles has always concerned me because he has the sam tendency Kevin Kolb had…when pocket starts to collapse rather than step up he back peddles away from pressure. What I liked about Barkley is that he stepped up in the pocket and made some nice throws. He threw interceptions…in his first quarter of action…ever…big deal. Manning threw 29 of them his rookie year, Andrew Luck threw a ton his rookie year. Vick has thrown four in several games…he’s a turnover machine…and he’s a veteran…but you lovers keep making excuses. The guy is so dumb he’s not capable of learning to slide…how can anyone be that stupid. Little kids learn to slide when they play little league. Keep in mind Barkley had better statistics in college than both Luck and RG3…in fact he out played Luck head to head several times.I’d like to see what the kid has…if he doesn’t show improvement over time draft another qb next year. Bottom line…Vick is not the answer and has done nothing to deserve having any job. Two bad seasons followed by a 1 and 3 start don’t earn anything. Time to send Vick packing.
“Vick is not the answer and has done nothing to deserve having any job.”
and Foles has? What was Foles accomplishments in college, again? Don’t matter what you’ll like to see, its about what Chip wants to see! Vick may not have a SB, but how many does us Eagles fans have? you sound like another guy with an agenda! I’m amazed by your bias and total lack of understanding of how football is a teammate sport…
Forgive realtalk he is happy being 8-8 or less every year like a lot of people on this site. Fact is we need to give Foles time because Vick isnt the answer and is getting older by the day. In a passing league Not a single QB on this roster has done anything. I will admit I do have an agenda to win the superbowl. You are 100% correct Miked16 But it doesn’t matter…
ha…based on what I saw on Sunday…less than 8-8 is guaranteed if no other QB other than 7 is the starter for the remainder of the year…Also, I’d agree with your logic if the QB was the only positionthat mattered….But seeing how our defense kept us in the game on Sunday, its crystal clear that it takes a team to win football games…Foles may not be the answer, what has he done in college or the pro’s to warrant a 1-2 year tryout? GTFO, with that bullshit! you guys are clowns!
Its kinda ironic that Vick wears #7 as that is his average win total over his career.
QB is not the only position that matters. No one has said that.
But it is the position that matters most. Mike vick is a below-average QB.
Today’s NFL requires an above average QB.
Every rule favours the traditional pocket passer.
You will accept 8-8 as long as MV7wins is the QB.
I, and most other intelligent fans would gladly accept 5 or 6 wins if we saw one of the young QBs developing over the season.
Because developing a young QB over the next couple of years is the ONLY way the Eagles will ever sniff a SB in today’s NFL.
I think Kelly knows what he needs at QB to win, or at least he thinks he knows.
In my opinion, the rest of us will know when it comes time to resign Vick for next year. I don’t think the Eagles will keep Michael Vick next year if they plan to draft a QB, or if the plan to develop Barkley.
I think the only way Vick stays is if he is the starter.
We aren’t winning a damn thing this year, and 8 games isnt a fair assessment. It’s comical you think we can win something. Even if we make the Playoffs one and out and a low first rounder. Another year wasted.
unreal other than a few no one has said that Foles is a superstar without a doubt. most only pulled for him to start to see if he has a chance to be a starter. we all know what vick brings…mediocre results in the W column, injuries, exciting plays but in the end mediocrity and of course AGE.
Why does foles deserve a tryout…. uh because we need a starting QB… The eagles aren’t winning a SB anytime soon… so we have to find a QB–
haveakittykat….mediocre results on a bad team or mediocre results because he is just that bad?….so are we saying that the Eagles teams have been that damn good over the past two seasons, and Vick is the reason why they haven’t been successful….I get it, Vick is the one that is holding this team back! My issue is with all you clowns that blame Vick for every damn problem with this Eagles team! last I checked, the Eagles haven’t won a SB….so are we blaming Vick for all the other QB’s previously, shortcomings…..ridiculous!
he got his tryout last season…and then had another tryout before he was concussed this season…Foles appears to be just as or more injury prone than Vick….on top of that throwing for 39%…..you are beginning to run out of excuses…
Vick was 1-3 as a starter this year!!
How can you still hang on to the complete BULLSHIT that VIck brings us something ofther than the “mediocre results” that come with Foles??
You INSIST that VIck gives the team a chance to win while Foles does not. BUT he was ONE and THREE.
WE ARE GOING NOWHERE WITH VICK!
NO ONE IS SAYING FOLES IS GREAT.
THE TEAM IS GOING NOWHERE WITTH VICK SO IT IS STUPID TO PLAY HIM.
IT IS SMARTER TO GIVE A YOUNG QB A CHANCE TO LEARN THE NFL GAME.
MV7wins has the lowest comp% in the league – what a surprise
MV7wins is on pace for an under .500 season – what a surprise
MV7wins missed games because he is hurt – what a surprise
The only thing that is surprising is he hasn’t been a turnover machine this year – only 2 doinks/ints returned for tds – but don’t worry, everything returns to the norm.
This team is going nowhere with MV&. Its beyond time to move on to something new.
But not for you clowns, you’d gladly enjoy your 7-9 in perpetuity as long as the superstar was at the helm.
@ RealTalk…I’m not sure what my agenda is…perhaps you can enlighten me. I never once said Foles was a superstar or the answer. In fact I compared him to Kevin Kolb and his tendency to backpeddle in the pocket instead of stepping up. One thing I liked about Barkley is that he did step up and he did make some nice throws. Did he throw 3 picks…sure…but at least he wasn’t afriad to throw the ball the way Foles looked for three quarters. Considering this was MAtt’s first in game action I’m not surprised by the uneven performance…in fact it should be expected. Vick has games worse than that andhe’s been in the league ten plus years.
Just ask yourself this question…can the Eagles win the super bowl this year? The answer is no…so what is to be gained by wasting a year starting a broken down, never was, turnover machine quarterback that has never won anything in this league? I think most agree he won’t be back next year so to me the only logical thing to do is start Barkley or Foles…let them take their lumps and see if they show signs of being a franchise quarterback. If they fail then it makes it easier to draft a kid out of college. You will never know what you have if you don’t just leave them in. It’s a good thing this isn’t Green Bay. They booted a veteran qb off their team with a super bowl and started Aaron Rodgers. He went 6 and 10 his first year…if that happened here people like Real Talk would run him out of town. Odds are RT was calling in to radio stations, when the rumors were circulating that they might try to sign Peyton Manning, making the case that Vick was a better option. He talks about mediocrity…but look at the records for the last two seasons with Vick…8-8 in 2011 and 4 and 12 in 2012, one of those wins coming with Nick Foles at qb. All the Vick apologists and lovers have zero credibility as far as I’m concerned. They’re bigger jokes than the quarterback they worship.
Bravo man great posting….You too Vinnie
Vinnie you speak when spoken too…Vick’s performance in training camp really should have you non existent on here….I don’t read your posts, you can’t even be taken for you word, why waste my time with you?
Real, yet you keep responding to him. O.o
LMMFBO!
mediocre results for a career… no vick isn’t holding the team back reality check… vick may give them the best chance to win (not sure but i’ll give you that) the point is that he has a long history of mediocrity in wins… facts back that up. no one is blaming vick– HE IS NOT THE QB TO TAKE US ANYWHERE– 33 always hurt and poor results when he does play (for 12 years)
Again no one except one or two are ‘sure foles is the answer’ but lets make sure of that– we already no for sure the messiah that wears 7 can’t take us to the promised land!
on the ESPN scroll bar at the bottom off their TV channel – Mike Vick was named the starter for next game. Alright back to bashing the little guy!
Some food for thought for all the Vick lovers:
2002…Games started 15…record 8-6-1
2004…Games started 15…record 11-4
2005…Games started 15…record 8-7
2006…Games started 16…record 7-9
2010,,,Games started 11…record 8-3
2011…Games started 13…record 7-6
2012…Games started 10…record 3-7
2013…Games started 5…record 2-3 (Foles finished the Giants game securing that second win.
So that looks like two seasons with a decent winning percentage and two where he won only one more time than he lost. Not very impressive numbers at all. Oh and he’s only won one playoff game…and he’s only played one complete season without missing time due to injury. Completion percentage below 60%…qb rating in the low 80s…never thrown for more than 3400 yards in a season. Yeah he’s awesome guys.
So based on what I just posted…please make your argument on why Vick “deserves” any starting job…or that he should be considered an elite qb…or that he should be re signed or play anywhere for that matter. Don’t give me the physical gifts garbage argument…that he’s an amazing athlete. Joe Montana was not a physical specimen…but he’s the greatest qb to ever play this game. Come one…let’s get this debate started…
get it started? hilarious@! the vick guys will make 111 excuses for those win totals– they love the highlights and that he has ‘kept it real’
the same excuses that you cats are using now, for Foles? WR’s aren’t getting open, bad play calling, poor blocking…yada yada yada right?
only thing i said about foles is he played like shit! missed wide open receivers and shit the bed during his huge opportunity.
that doesn’t change the numbers above– mediocre results over an extended period of time. your gf TS is now stating geno smith is legit– yet his results and numbers through the same number of starts are worse than foles…. not sure what the guys she supports (vick and smith) have in common
what’s the difference between a Geno Smith and Foles? Since you guys like stats and shit so much, here you go…
yards Comp % TDs INTS
Geno 11662 67 98 21
All-Big East Conference Second Team (2010)
All-Big East Conference First Team (2011)
4× Big East Offensive Player of the Week
2011 Orange Bowl Most Valuable Player
3× Big 12 Offensive Player of the Week
2× National Offensive Player of the Week (for week ending September 3, 2012; for week ending September 29, 2012)
Yards Comp% TDs INTS
Foles 10011 69 67 33
college record 15-18 – damn, Foles wasn’t catching any of his own passes or playing good defense huh?
Second-team All-Pac 10 honors (2007) –
wow he was killing it in college huh?
I think there’s a reason why people have some excitement for Smith, because he provided excitement and was recognized for it in college…
Did leinhart win some COLLEGE awards? And countless others… It means nothing
that’s the best you got? obviously you don’t understand the point…
name some players that didn’t win College awards…that turned out to be great QB’s….probably can count them on your hand….its wishful thinking on your part and others to believe a player with no college accomplishments is going to be a Brady, Manning, Montana etc….
I’ve stated my arguments for years, started with Kolb…daily on here with the anti Vick clan…and refuse to go over it again…my stance is my stance….Is Foles Montana? Is Foles a Brian Leftwich or a Matt Leinert? who knows…But what has he done in college or in the pro’s to be given a tryout for 1-2 years, when Vick has 1-2 years left in him…that’s the question? Is it because he’s tall? Is it because he doesn’t hold the ball too long? doesn’t get injured, doesn’t get sacked? Dominated in college? What is it? Is it because you guys just want to see Vick out of town? no matter the costs? Willing to let it ride on Foles for the next 2 years and have to turn to Barkley or the QB drafted this offseason….The bottom line and to be quite frank, I need a better option than Foles to replace Vick!
Yes we want Vick out of town because
VICK = 7 or 8 wins a year.
Vick = NEVER WIN a playoff game with him at QB (let alone a SB)
That’s the max and that is not good enough for us.
I recognize its good for you because you LOVE the mediocre Mike Vick.
You have no idea if you need a better option than Foles because you have no idea what FOles is yet because he has not played enough games.
What we recognize is you whiners are Vick haters that see nothing else wrong with this team, UNTIL Foles comes in and plays like garbage. Then all of a sudden you acknowledge that their are other players on this team.
Except Foles had no legit excuse for Sunday’s stinkbomb other than he, and he alone sucks.
Your right Vick= 7 or eight wins. Now combine Vick + the defensive performance of the last 3 weeks, and you get to 10 or 11.
Some food for thought? how many pro bowlers on the offensive side of the ball with Vick in 2002-2006…or how about did Vick play defense and catch passes that he threw? haha…you’re just another out of touch football fan, that doesn’t realize football is a team sport…
It IS a team sport
ANd that TEAM is 1-3 with MV under center
and
1-1 with FOles under centre
The other win came again when Foles was under centre for more than a half.
So the TEAM is 1-3 when Vick finishes the game and 2-1 when FOles does,
Its a TEAM game.
But you are right.
As we have proved over and over MV7wins is the unluckiest payer in the NFl ever. He never ever had a TEAM around him. Too bad.
If only he could have played D and O and OLine, then he wouldn’t have averaged 7 wins a year over his career.
Too bad for him. Such an unlucky guy. I bet if you ask a lot of his former offensive linemen they would agree that all his lack of cusses was their fault.
We gotta get that white quarterback outtta there.
there it is…the agenda is exposed!
nah, its more likely to be the other way around! RealTalk supports Foles, when he’s the starter or the backup…but when it comes to who should the Eagles play Vick or Foles…RealTalk supports Vick! Realtalk is a tool! simple as that, ain’t no race shit involved with me!
Support the guy who is 1-3
Toss the guy who is 2-1 under the bus.
this will be my absolutely, last response to you, promise!….how am I tossing Foles under the bus? upset with the comparison between Geno and Foles..pointed out that Foles had a 15-18 college record, when your counterparts pointed at Vick’s record…Vick’s record was much better than Foles in college by the way…But I also agree Vick simply had a better team…..you guys shit on Vick every day…Also Foles is not 2-1 alone…last I checked he was spotted 16 points…I remember you cats bashed Vick for going 0-6 in the 1st quarter, now that Foles got out there with that performance, its just the kid had a bad day…Its funny that shit is seen differently when Vick isn’t the QB….
I have never ever ever cared about Vick’s or any other Qbs college record, because it is not college. I believe, at one point, that Koy detmer held most college passing records.
No Foles is not 2-1 alone. The TEAM, especially the D, seems to play better with him in there.
I thought you wanted a TEAM game.
And yes…it is seen entirely differently you nitwit, because Vick has had a decade to work that 0 for 6 shit out and hasn’t. Foles has had 7 starts.
Only a MV7wins lover would deny the ifference between the two. As I have stated a zillion times, if Foles is still dropping shitters in weeks 14, 15 etc then move on.
I would NEVER EVER give him 11 years of Excuses like you o with your hero.
Please…2-1 with Nick Foles? Who are you kidding? First off he’s 1-1, Vick is 2-3.
Vick lost to 3 teams with only 4 losses between them…Nick Foles beat a winless team and lost to a Cowboys team that Vick is 3-1 against, with the only loss being last year when he left the Cowboys game tied and Foles came in relief and lost the game.
If Vick was in on Sunday, we win by 2 tds.
Only in a vickpologists world would you consider a guy with 1 1/2 quarters of game geting a ‘win’
The “If Vick was in the Eagles’ would have….” argument is garbage.
He wasn’t in because he was hurt. Do you know why he was hurt?
Because he is always hurt.
Only in Vick haters world would you give credit to the backup who lost the lead given to him by the starter, with the defense rescuing him by setting him up to score with 2 straight turnovers.
And don’t blame me for NFL rules, the starter gets the credit for the win or loss, even if he isn’t on the field. Vick has 4 or 5 games on his resume as losses, even though he left the game ahead or tied, including last years Dallas game.
Criticize Vick for being injured all you want, it’s one of the few legit criticisms you haters make…if he hadn’t been hurt, we would be in first place right now. It’s been a problem throughout his career.
“Realtalk is a tool!”
Really? motherfuckers on this site, editing my comments? you see this shit…
Lol i was wondering why you were owning up to it lmao..Nah your freedom of speech should be protected.
This coming from Mr. MENSA! Wow, how intelligent you are.
Attention *Vickpologists, VickSupporters”….anybody that speaks in favor of Vick…editors here at GCobb will modify your comments!
I noticed this before on one of my posts when I first started posting here…I think whoever does it makes it so only the poster himself and whoever edited the post can see it…Cuz I didn’t see that after any of your posts RealTalk.
ok Skayne…I see it terrible for a site that is supposed to welcome all comments/opinions….
This what I see:
nah, its more likely to be the other way around! RealTalk supports Foles, when he’s the starter or the backup…but when it comes to who should the Eagles play Vick or Foles…RealTalk supports Vick! Realtalk is a tool! simple as that, ain’t no race shit involved with me!
RealTalk777…Roddy White was on the Falcons while Vick was there…he became a pro bowler after Vick was off the team and they drafted Matt Ryan.
Warrick dunne algae crimplrr blah
i dont know what is funnier realtalk called himself a tool or some moderator changed his post. either way
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Try again…White won his first pro bowl in 2008…Vick was gone for 2 seasons (2006)….possibly it has something to do with White’s development as a player and not the QB? Vick’s TE was a Pro Bowler….But there’s still 9 other positions….key positions
the pro bowl is an absolute joke and should never be used as an accomplishment for a player
RealTalk777…You make excuses for why Foles should not get a shot. Well what has Vick done in recent history to deserve a shot? Has he had a winning record? No. Has he won playoff games? No. Has he been to the playoffs since 2010? No. Did he win a playoff game in 2010? No. It’s obvious you are a Vick apologist…in fact I have no doubt he could feed your dog to one of his pit bulls and you’d figure out a way to excuse that behavior. Again…ask the question…can the Eagles win the superbowl this year? Can they beat Seattle, San Fran, Green Bay? The answer to all those questions is no. So that leads to the next question…if they have no chance of winning a title and Vick most likely is out of here after this season, what is the point of wasting time on a quarterback who A is gone next year and B you know what he can do already. What can he do for this team…nothing.
i hate mike vicks game and think he is an awful qb and think he always has been an awful qb but i think coach has to go with vick until year end or we are out of the playoffs whatever comes first.
vick won in camp, foles had a golden opportunity to take the job away from him and foles went out and had the most pathetic and embarrassing performance from a qb since doug pederson. vick has had some embarrassing performances but there was at least some good.
foles legit looked like he couldnt even start for university of Delaware last sunday. i do think foles this passed sunday was the exception not the rule but he had to seize that moment. now he has to wait for vick to get hurt again, the year to end, or us to get eliminated from the playoffs IMO
haha…true colors…you’re a waste of breath…
“in fact I have no doubt he could feed your dog to one of his pit bulls and you’d figure out a way to excuse that behavior”
The fact that you have that type of thought on your mind, tells me everything I need to know about you…and will never converse with you again moving forward! Its more than football with you!
What is the point of wasting real games as tryouts just for Foles? Does any other players rate on this team? They should all be sacrificed for Foles? No team quits on the playoffs. Tryouts are held in the offseason, and Foles lost soundly.
The fact is, Vick is the only qb on this team to have made the playoffs, or win a playoff game. That’s why he starts when we can still make the postseason.
Can the Eagles win the SB? They have a chance if they make the postseason. They have no shot if the season becomes an extended tryout for Foles.
Too many of you Nostradomuses have decided what this team is capable of before the actual games have played out…this mediocre division produced a SB winner a couple years ago after a mediocre 9-7 season, a 7-9 team won a playoff game, so making the playoffs should not be underestimated.
Sit back, root for the team to win, and hold no expectations other than to see your team play well. Too many here want to play the expectations game, then are crushed if they’re not met. Just root for the team to win, maybe something will come of it.
If people had STFU about Foles and let Vick take the heat, maybe your hero wouldn’t have crumbled under the pressure in the Dallas game. The one thing that gets players tight is living up to expectations.
Preach!
Nostradammus…interesting. Not sure you need him to realize or see the obvious. They had two losing seasons with Vick and then started this season 1-3. That’s hardly impressive. I also wonder if you were saying the things you’re saying about Foles and Barkley when Vick was throwing three to four interceptions a game last year.
What’s obvious is that Vick is by far the best Qb on this team.
You and other Vick haters have the same pattern…nobody else on this team exists except the Qb, until Foles craps the bed, then all of sudden you recognize that their are 44 other players active on game day.
I evaluate the ENTIRE team. So I can recognize that in 2011 we had a top 5 offense, but a defense that was at the bottom of the league thru the first 6 or 7 games, digging a hole from which we couldn’t recover.
Sorta like this year…the defense was at the bottom of the league while the offense is top 5. I know, Vick was twiddling his thumbs while we had that top 2 ranking, he was in no way responsible.
Sorry, I’m not a hater, so I can recognize that the defense needed improvement in order to win. Which is what Foles got, which is why he got the one victory he’s credited with. Which is why he deserves most of the blame for his shit sandwich performance on Sunday. Against a team that Vick owns, and that is with Ware and all the other players that were hurt in this game in those other games.
No franchise does what you nimrods want to do…play the lesser qb while the playoffs are a strong possibility.
Only QB to win a playoff game.
2004.
LOL
LOL…didn’t you lose a bet?
Yeah, and Nick Foles…never, not even in freaking college.
NOT EVEN IN COLLEGE!
As unreal says… It’s not a one man team, how good were the players around him?
you can’t use my excuse…for you to tell it…its all about the QB…you don’t share my rationale…..
At least you admit you make EXCUSES … Your own words
I’d also like to add that college stats mean nothing as it is a completely different game. Joe Montana was a late round draft pick…as was Tom Brady. How many rings between those two guys? But you wouldn’t want either of them because they aren’t super star athletes who can run Chip Kelly’s system…what a JOKE.
RealTalk, how long do you think Mike Vick will last until he gets hurt again?
I dont know, how long do you think Foles will last? He seems less durable than Vick…how long before you turn on the next QB you select as the QB of the future like you have on Foles?
True RealTalk, Foles is less durable than Vick, 8 starts two game preventing injuries in the span of 2 seasons within those 8 games.
But really E0S
ow long before you turn on the next QB you select as the QB of the future like you have on Foles?
your loyalty is a big ?….at least some of these guys are sticking to their guns about Foles and not kicking him to the curb like you…shit I haven’t even kicked Foles to the curb like you have….
Mike Vick has been pulled from 2 of his last 5 starts for ineffectiveness. Replaced by Nick Foles and Trent Edwards!!
By 2 different coaches nonetheless!!!!!!!
Ya, he’s great.
I will turn on the next QB if he drops more than one more stinker before the end of the year.
I will not give anyone 11 year of excuses like you do.
There aren’t 11 years of excuses…just revisionist historians like you with your
agenda, who conveniently want to brush aside what Vick has accomplished because you’re an irrational hater.
Foles should be on schedule to lead his team to the postseason, since Vick accomplished the feat in his 2nd season. But he can’t cuz he not Vick.
skayne…explain your definition of revisionist history? The stats are the stats and the record is the record. I got his wins and losses from ProFootBallReference.com so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The bottom line is Vick is a flashy player with little substance. He makes the occassional exciting play so you overlook the fact that his career has been below average. The numbers don’t lie…they say his career has been a failure.
Skayne don’t waste your time with this clown…he has a hard on for Vick because of the things he did in his past..more than just football!
RealTalk777…already took you to school chief. You can’t hang with me on facts. Keep using that other stuff as an excuse to hide from me.
I just refuse to associate myself with ignorant folks like yourself, who have it out for a man because of his past…really its that simple…before that comment, I was all for conversing with you…but why now, I see your hatred to the man is deeper than football, so what would be the point?
It has nothing to do with the past. Do I find what he did reprehensible…absolutely. But the stats are the stats and the performance speaks for itself. I’m tired of this treadmill mentality when it comes this team. It’s time to turn the page and start over…clean house. You cannot do that with Vick as the starter plain and simple. Remove Vick from the equation…If you look at the career as whole (numbers, wins, losses, etc) without knowing who’s career it was you would say it was below average at best. You love the guy and he can do no wrong in your eyes…if there were numbers to support your arguments I’d have to give benefit of the doubt…but the numbers don’t work for you here.
What stats are you talking about Mike? How about that Vick is first in passer rating in Eagles franchise history? That’s right, higher than even 5, who I loved to death and hated when he was traded for Kolb.
How about that from 2000-04, Reid’s best period here, our offense was really only good the 2nd half of 03 thru 04.
How about the parts of our team that were truly elite? The defense and STs! Did you forget about how good those ST units were? How good the kicking game? Do I even need to mention how great the D was?!
Where were all those things the last 3 years? All those units have been laying turds, until the D stepped up big time on Sunday!
I’m not a Foles hater. I went into that game thinking if we lost, it would be cuz of the D. Except he shocked me with how horrible he was!
Foles is what he is for now…the backup, and not on Vick ‘s level.
HAHA Mike they can’t take logic and will sacrifice the future to get 2 more years out of that aging average running QB in a passing league. Keep it up and derogatory words will follow lol.
Vick has the best passer rating in Eagles history? Compared to who? That’s an absurd argument. And McNabb had a better winning percentage than Vick.
What don’t you get Mike? You say you know facts, try to keep up!
Eagles franchise history, passer rating, read who’s number 1.
I don’t know if you even read the post! There are 11 players who take the field when McNabb is on the sidelines. I wonder what those 11 other players did. If you don’t know, one unit is defense, the other special teams. What they do affects the game.
McNabb won a Giants game where the offense gained like 150 yards. We won another Giants game with 10 points!
We lost a game this year where Vick was 22-36, 429yds, 3tds no picks. Another where he was 30-46, 414, and we lost. I don’t know, maybe other parts of the team failed when an excellent performance by the qb results in a loss, and we win another when the qb led us to 6 points.
Or maybe you think Vick also plays defense?
11.5 years of exuses..we are almost 8 games in 😀
What has he accomplished?
The question we need to ask ourself. Do we really want a white quarterback?
C’mon laarwd that’s bullshit! We want the better QB, simple!
If you want the better QB then you’re in a tough spot, because that’s not an easy choice from week to week.
I have decided to go along with Chip Kelly’s decision since he is the one who’s job is on the line.
I don’t think Vick or Foles is going to the playoffs this year.
i want a green quarterback that:
completes 62+% of his passes
throws for 4300+ yards year in year out
throws for a minimum of 28 tds year in year out
performs in the clutch
can move the chains
can make big plays
throws nice short, medium and long plays
what do you want ?
id also take a red quarterback that:
completes 62+% of his passes
throws for 4300+ yards year in year out
throws for a minimum of 28 tds year in year out
performs in the clutch
can move the chains
can make big plays
throws nice short, medium and long plays
what do you want ?
RealTalk777…you have not responded to any of my points with legitimate points of your own. It’s very obvious that Vick could do no wrong in your eyes even when the statistics are provided to support the opposite. Instead you focus on an obvious attempt at humor to deflect from the argument. You bring up pro bowlers or the lack thereof in Atlanta…ok…well according to you the playmakers are better here right?
2010,,,Games started 11…record 8-3
2011…Games started 13…record 7-6
2012…Games started 10…record 3-7
2013…Games started 5…record 2-3
So if the playmakers are better here why are the results the same?
Skayne…Again please point out what Vick has accomplished. Other tham the rushing statistics what has he done? His passing numbers are below average at best and his record is below average also. He won one playoff game almost ten years ago yet you shower him with praise. Then you deflect or ignore legit criticisms by suggesting that those who are critical of him are doing so based on the fact that hate him as a person. Well the statistics and the record don’t support any of your arguments about why he should start.
you must not be able to read….
haha…true colors…you’re a waste of breath…
“in fact I have no doubt he could feed your dog to one of his pit bulls and you’d figure out a way to excuse that behavior”
The fact that you have that type of thought on your mind, tells me everything I need to know about you…and will never converse with you again moving forward! Its more than football with you!
just in case you didnt get it last time
You’re losing the argument so you hide from the real meat of the issue. It’s ok…you haven’t made one intelligent point yet…you just lace your posts with profanity and insults thinking that’s enough to tilt the argument in your favor. I posted stats and win/loss record that is below average at best…in fact it’s even more damning considering he was the number one pick overall. Drew Brees was taken in the second round of the same draft…wonder who’s better.
haha losing the argument? to you? haha a response really isn’t required…Foles loss the argument for you on Sunday as well as his mediocre college career and in traning camp..that does not scream out to me….Foles is the future of this Eagles team
honestly once I read that bullshit, you fell into the “ignore” list of posters on this site..
Is Brees on this team? if he is then start him!
AGAIN, This coming from Mr. MENSA! Wow, how intelligent you are.
I want a quarter back that throw at least a double a triple TD to interception ratio ei 15 to 5 , 30 to 10 and can still run for about 500 yards per year.. Russel wilson andrew luck, colin kapernick .. the future..
Andrew Luck will never run for 500 yards in a season.
No he won’t…but so what? Are you suggesting if you could choose having Vick or Luck you’d take Vick?
I would take Andrew Luck over any QB in the NFL.
Andrew Luck could run for 500 Yards but chooses not to and gets the ball out of his hands, I am not sure that many folks realize how athletic he is for his Size.. He ran like a 4.5-4.6 at the Combine and at 6-5 240lbs is a load to bring down..Luck will have a great Career and put up HOF typ of number over a 10-12 Year Career
R Wilson is on a perfect Team for his Skill set..
Has a strong Running Game, a Team with a great Defense and Special and just has to play smart and take his chances carefully which he does a great job of doing..
Talk about a Pocket-Prescence and Leadership, Russell Wilson has it all and his Coaches have done an excellent job of bringing him on slowly and play to his strengths instead of expectiing him to toss the ball 40-50 Times a game…
RGIII is the most Dyanamic and Exciting of the Group But will probably have the shortest Career due to injuries and taking a lot of risks with the ball and his body (similar to Mike Vick)
i think wilson and kaepernick are currently 2 of the most overrated qbs in football
especially wilson
I wonder if the same Vick apologists who trash Foles for his poor performance did the same thing last year when he was throwing multiple picks per game on his way to 3 and 7 record. Pretty obvious what’s going on here.
you mean multiple picks in games that the Eagles ended up winning? (Browns, Ravens) or what about the Folespologist like yourself, who just chalk about an 80 yard day to a bad game…And yeah, the Eagles team last season, should have won the SB if Vick wasn’t the QB…right? Eagles team was that damn good, huh? no reason for the coach being fired, it was all Vick’s fault…he blocked for himself, caught his own passes, and played defense last season…that’s right…how many 4th qtr leads were given up by the defense last season? I see what’s going on here, and its that you’re just another ignorantly selective irrational football fan when it comes to Vick!
no the oline was bad..the receivers dropped the ball all the time. The defense didn’t Hold his leads. Especially in that Pittsburgh game. In that one the ball was blatantly throwing itself from vicks grasp…It was a hostile ball. Any excuse…and yeah they cant grasp 12 years is way too long for a mediocre QB who cant win in a passing league.
I thought you said you weren’t going to respond to me? its funny that you pick one game in which you think supports your claims…You talking about the pre season game, really? what he do this pre season?
Also actually against PITT, with a 104 QB Rating that game… it was his fumbles…he didn’t throw any picks…actually completed 20 of 30 passes…
RealTalk…I’m not a Foles apologist, I’d rather see Barkley. My point is we already know what Mike Vick can do…not much. The Eagles haven’t had a winning record since 2010, they haven’t won a playoff game in years. Vick is not getting re signed so why is he here and why is he playing? I think you need to see what you have in either Foles or Barkley. That way you can make a more educated decision on whether to draft another quarterback. The Green Bay Packers said goodbye to Brett Favre after he took them to an NFC Championship game. They went with an unproven player. They went 6 and 10 with that unproven player. The Packers were willing to take that hit because they knew Brett Favre wasn’t going to get it done. He still had gas in the tank…he took Minnesota to the NFC championship game the next season…but the Packers determined it was best to take their lumps and move forward. That Lombardi trophy they grabbed in 2010 is proof that at some point you need to move forward and that means taking some steps back once in a while. The Eagles aren’t winning anything this year with Vick…better to build for the future. This qb circus theyre running over there isn’t the answer…its why they should have parted ways with Vick before the season.
Get the facts straight…they took the hit FOUR years after Rodgers was drafted.
That was with Favre being a straight prima donna those years, pretending he was thinking of retiring, then making the decision to play when training camp was almost over.
The Packers didn’t cut off their nose to spite their face. They believed in Rodgers after 4 seasons of seasoning.
If you had the facts straight, you would know they wanted Favre to return. But he decided to retire, only to change his mind. The Packers got fed up! They said thanks, but no thanks.
You would also know he put up good stats that 6-10 year. But 11 players took the field that year that didn’t pull their weight. Two years later, those 11 players played lights out, pulled their weight, and were a big part of the SB, along with Rodgers great play.
I don’t think WIlson is Over-rated, he’s just a perfect Fit on a Team with an Offense that’s built perfectly for him and does require him to be a hero every week or game..
Their OC Dana Beavall has a bright future as a NFL Head Coach
I think Kaep is a bit overrated and seems to have fallen back to earth a bit after a fantastic run last year.. This year he’s been up and down a bit but playing much better here lately after a couple of rough weeks, but he needs a decent running game for the 49ers play-action to Work.. He has a tendancy to lock in receivers and rely on his bullet arm to thread the ball.. It also didn’t help the 49ers Offense that Projected WR’ s Crabtree & Manningham were lost before the Season so outside of Boldin, thers not much on the experience list at WR for them
The 2 young QB’s that i see with the biggest upside playing today
are Andrew Luck of th Colts and Ryan Tannehill of the Dolphins..
You think Wilson is overrated? Would the fact that he has a better yds./pass att., higher comp%, and qb rating this year than Luck make you reconsider?
I’m a Russell Wilson fan and do not believe he is over rated. However, he did lose the head to head match up with Andrew Luck this year. The difference in their stats is negligible…their seasons have been similar overall. Do I think Wilson is better than Luck…no…right now statistically they’re equal. But is he over rated…no. I was disapppionted when I found out the Eagles wanted to draft him but the Seahwaks snagged him before they could.
There is no GM in the league that would rather have Wilson than Luck. Not one. Wilson is on a stacked team man. Best defense in football and a top 5 RB that is a monster. He only has to do so much for that team to win. Luck contributes a lot more to the team’s overall success and even failure of that team than Wilson ever will. He is a much more valuable player than Wilson is. I don’t think that Wilson is overrated, but I do think that Luck is a better QB than him.