It looks fairly certain that Michael Vick will be the Eagles starting quarterback on Sunday against the New York Giants. Vick took the reps with the Eagles first team offense today and usually that’s a good indicator of who is going to start.
Surprisingly, Vick wasn’t as forthcoming with information about his health as he was a week ago, when he declared himself unable to play against the Cowboys.
“I wish I could give you a definite answer,” Vick said following the practice. “But I can’t right now.”
Vick spoke to reporters with a confidence that made you think he was going to play this week.
“I’m excited by the opportunity if I can go,” Vick said. “I can set my mind to play if I want to play.”
The speedy lefthander did promise that’s he’s not going to change his game if he does play.
“If I’m out there, I’m giving it everything I’ve got,” he said.
Nick Foles is almost certain to miss this game due to the concussion he suffered against Dallas. Matt Barkley will be Vick’s backup if the veteran is able to start.
Earlier in the day, Eagles offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur did let us know that Vick was going to be taking the first team reps.
“He’ll be out there practicing and taking the reps”, Shurmur said in response to a question about whether Vick would be the starter on Sunday. “I wouldn’t encourage you to assume anything. We’ll just see what ‑‑ coach talked about it — who the starter is based on the health of the quarterbacks. He’ll be out there working with Matt Barkley. And you saw we signed G.J. Kinne back for a lot of reasons. He’s done a lot of things for us. He can help us on the look squad, and of course he’s familiar with our system and did some good things during camp.”
I love to play the game called “which one is Vick”
Basically I just post the stats of various QBs that have played a common team.
This week we will play “Which one is Foles”
VS Dallas (choices are Foles, Eli, Manning, Bradford, Smith, RG3 )
33 of 42 for 414 4td 1int
27 of 42 for 450 4td 3int
21 of 36 for 223 2td 0int
29 of 48 for 240 1td 0int
19 of 39 for 246 0td 1int
35 of 42 for 401 3td 1int
11 of 29 for 80 0td 0int
clearly i have no bias in posting this. Just want to show the numbers.
I am having a little fun at crows expense but…..
I am more worried about the run game than anything else. What many of us on here were hoping that we did not see on Sunday came true…. Vick REALLY helps the run game. Not just by actually running… but by the threat being there.
It was clear that Dallas did not worry about Nick beating them with his arm or legs… they stacked the box shutting down Shady..daring Nick to throw deep. Its what MN fans see every single Sunday, its why the best back in the game, A.P. looks not so good this year.
I have no idea what was wrong with Foles on Sunday… perhaps nerves… but i am VERY happy that our D stepped up. Dallas has weapons… and we shut them down. This is for sure a step in the right direction.
I am bummed about Sunday… bummed that our QB could not hit wide open receivers… but i believe we are a few D pieces away from taking a choke hold of the Div next year.
btw- did you know that Foles did not complete a pass in the 2nd half? Not 1.
Like Vick against the Giants.
Stevo – how many yards was Vick able to gain on the ground, even when he couldn’t connect with receivers in the first quarter? didn’t he have close to 80yards?they dont see a difference in dynamic…. when Foles isn’t hitting his targets, what happens….3 point games…When Vick isn’t hitting his targets the entire first quarter, Eagles still put up 16 points by halftime…
Not only that, everyone wants to talk about Vick being 0-5, but right after he was 6-8 – there is not comparison, but folk sure like to keep trying to make one.
I have changed sides. You guys win. Vicks career is loaded with accomplishments, he would have two or three superbowls had he had better coaching and team mates. Of this generation of QBs only Brady is better (sorry guys)I have Vick above both mannings, Bree’s, rapist Ben, flacco etc. He is going to be able to play at a high level until he is about 38. After the year sign him to a five year 100 million deal and build the defense. I’m am a converted Vick supporter. I will see things from this side of the fence.. Bring it an VV I will eat you for lunch.
WELOCOME TO THE OTHERSIDE!!!!!! A guy that can take assesment of the situation, and make a sound decison to change instead of barreling along with flawed thinking and insults. I would go to WAR with ya!!!!!!!!!!!
“but i believe we are a few D pieces away from taking a choke hold of the Div next year.”
This ALL day. This “rebuild” everyone is talking about it going to be a short one.
The rebuild won’t happen till we get a qb
I watched Ponder get drafted for this same kind of thinking. If the QB we want is not there.. dont force it.
I honestly believe that if we had a few more pieces we could get into the playoffs. Clearly we need a long term answer at QB but…. this O is scoring 30 points most weeks. That should be good enough to win most games if we have a great D.
He’s been pulled by the HC in 2 of his last 5 starts.
Good times for the superstar.
so what you are saying_ correct me if Im wrong_ is that Nick Foles did not play well on Sunday because Mike Vick was pulled by his former coach?
Ok- good to know.
No. I’m just saying Foles has future promise, Vick has none.
You continually defend a QB who has been pulled by his head coach in 2 of his last 5 starts.
That’s Brandon Weeden shite.
Nick Foles played badly, because every Qb plays badly in their first year of starts.
When QBs, in their 12th year, are still being pulled from games because they suck….its time to move on.
TO ANYONE.
Because anyone is better than a 50% mini-man whose own coaches haven’t even left in games because he can’t score points or win games.
vick was pulled a few weeks ago because he sucked? Yes they were not clicking in the pass game but He had the lead… and was on pace to have over 150 yards rushing…. but he “sucks”….
Classic Vinnie- wants to make a heated point involving hate and overstates his point. This is what got you kicked off this blog- i mean….
Vick was pulled in the Giants game (last year by Reid) and he was pulled in the Denver game by Kelly.
They were being pummelled in both games and couldn’t do anything offensively.
Mike Vick has been pulled in 2 of his last five starts by 2 different coaches.
But keep rooting for the clown.
I admire your fortitude.
There you are making shit up…he was pulled cuz the game was out of reach. Thru your hate Vick haze you get things twisted.
What is admirable in a Bizarro World kind of way is how you keep posting as if you haven’t been wrong on almost everything.
How bout we post your numbers in regards to predictions:
O for 2013.
Seems to me Vick is having a better year.
“He was pulled from the game because it was out of reach.”
Exactly.
It was out of reach cuz the defense was garbage! Even the Jaguars went in their and got some stops against Peyton.
I know, it was Vick’s fault they didn’t get a single stop. I mean, every Qb goes in Denver and matches Peyton score for score!
I mean, the Broncos are AWFUL in Denver. And the Bucs and Giants are juggernauts at home this year!
yes- Vick was unable to stop Payton on 2nd down. How dare he!!!
You know Denver never needed a 3rd down right?
yes- Vick was unable to stop Payton on 2nd down. How dare he!!!
You know Denver never needed a 3rd down right?
No one else has been able to stop them on 3rd down either. But at least other offenses (led by their QBs) have been able to make a game of it.
Faced with a superior opponent, VIck folded up like the guy who has folede up in every big game he’s ever been in. (isn’t that what you are saying about FOles?
Lets look at Vick in big games:
His Great win in Lambeau!! 13 of 25 for 113 (ggod think GB gave the ball up 5x)
NFC champ game 11 of 24 for 127 and a pick
Mike Vick is a fairweather player who sucks ass in big games.
Take away his one wildcat play in 2009 and as a starter in the playoffs he’s
55% with 4 tds and 4 ints.
LOL
LOL
what a fucking joke.
And this is the guy you love so damn much.
i love him? where have you seen this? Where have I ever said any such thing?
the most favorable comment you will find from me was perhaps when we blew out a team like 5 years ago.
who cares about last year? The coach got fired for last year. We had no DC last year.
I dont root for “the clown”, i root for the eagles. I root for Foles, Vick, even Nate Allen!!
I care about last year, because when the same thing keeps happening to the same guy (ie pulled from 2 different games by 2 different coaches) then you must look for the constant.
Vinnie you don’t understand, the team is brutal. The constant is the lack of offensive players surrounding any qb.
What’s constant is your endless carping and biased agenda.
It NEVER changes.
Preach the gospel my brother. Your biased vinnie you only see one side of the argument
Or was it Vick’s fault for being a bad teammate??
“In last week’s interview I heard from Vick about how he’s always there for Foles. So how come every shot to the sideline saw Foles and Barkley huddled with the OC, while Vick walked around by himself first with his hat, then with his touque
or was it… because Russel Wilson went 9 of 23 for 123 0td 1 int in his 8th start?
Or was it because “mesean- Big game, rook QB struggling. And he’s off waving his arms, shrugging his shoulders, staring at the sky shaking his head, slacking on routes, standing off to the side with Lesean….”??
“And early in the game when Foles rolled right in troubs and Mesean jogged lazily the other way that was……what? Trying hard?”
or was it the coaching??
“While the 4th and 1 call was pathetic, I think the 3rd and 1 call (a deep throw) was just as, if not more perplexing. Easy handoff or QB sneak there sets up first down and a spike maintains the timout.
Overall that was completely amateur hour by the coaching staff”
Crow- im not defending anyone… i posted the stats(just like you) about teams….. i mean…. qb’s that have played the Cowboys. And you have told me that Vick was pulled by his former coach. I dont see how this lines up. What does that have to do with Foles? Arent YOU the one thats being defensive?
And… Im just trying to tie down what YOU think was the reason for Foles struggles on Sunday….
So far you’ve blamed “mesean”, coaches, Vick on the sideline, Russel Wilsons comparable start, and Vick being pulled by his former coach. So many- we cant keep up.
Fuck you love me some shit ass QB who can’t even stay on the field…if we include injuries he’s left the game in 3 of his last 5 starts.
Is he your dad or something?
Foles? No- im older than him- we are talking about Foles. Who are you talking about?
Even with the absolute turd of a game Sunday, Foles has thrown for higher comp%, more TDs, less ints in 1/3 the time than the fucking SUPERSTAR.
What kind of ridiculous joke is that?!?!?!?
And STILL the Vickpologists call for the return of MV7wins.
Delusional!!
The jokes on you, since Foles got those numbers against winless teams.
If he had gone against the Chiefs, he might have been 5-30 for 50 yards, if he couldn’t beat a bad defense missing most of its stars.
Vick has beaten one .500 team in 3 seasons bucko.
So you might want to calm down on the “All Foles can do is beat bad teams” rhetoric.
Vinnie- i dont care who they start. All i did was post the stats, YOU are the one who blamed all these other people.
Oh you care. Every slight against your dad and you are in here guns blazin’.
Circle those defensive wagons.
11.5 years of Mediocrity? Doesn’t matter to Stevo he’ll be in here day after day defending his flawed father. Brother. Whomever.
Are you really Marcus??.
Stevo says he doesn’t care.
I’ll believe it when he becomes as passionate about anyone else.
Or defends anyone else’s struggles so vehemently.
Look, at least I’m upfront. I state MV7wins is shite and stick with it.
You say you don’t care….but then only care about one guy.
Vick has beaten one .500 team in 3 years? Or the EAGLES haven’t beaten more than one .500 team in the last 3 years?
I’m talking about Foles play against winning teams, not whether the TEAM won or lost. Because Vick had a lot of great games against winning teams the last 3 years, but the TEAM lost. For example what about his numbers against the best defense of 2011, the 49ers? Not his fault the myriad other screwups by others that lost us that game.
If Foles had played great against Dallas but the defense blew it, I would acknowledge it! But he was reason number one we lost.
And Vick’s numbers against better teams and better defenses this year blow Foles turd against the Cowgirls out of the water.
haha- im older than vick too.
Oh Vinnie- it’s been fun. I got you going again to waste time. not hard to do,
I posted stats- you freaked- good times.
It has to be Vick this Week, who else is going to QB
Foles will be out as mandated by the NFL when diagnosed with Concussion
a Player always sits out at least 1 Week once this occurs
Barkley is obviously not ready so Vick needs to Step up and be more of a
“Pocket QB” and rely on his 12 Year Experience in the NFL of Reading Defenses and getting rid of the Ball.. Chip Kelly needs to scrap the “Read-Option” until Vick is closer to 100% which he isn’t this week.. but being that it’s been 3 Weeks ago that he suffered his Hamstring Pull, he should be 80-85% and be healthy enough to able to play from the Pocket and be productive.. This could aactualyl turn out to be a good thing in my opinion
I hate this “read-option” Scheme BS to be honest..
Use 2 Backs in the Backfield and some Double and Trip TE sets and grind it out.. I am sure Vick can play well enough to Win which is the important thing here this week against the Giants.. Vick needs to suck it up and play
Nope if he isn’t ready he needs to sit…let Barkley play, so as MikeD suggested the Eagles can see what they have in the young players and pass on winning a winnable game…99% of us know that Barkley sure as hell isn’t ready!
Vick is playing this Week as I said he would,back on Sunday evening after word was out that Foles suffered a Concussion which means a minimum of a week out per NFL rules
This is it for Vick, the Clock is ticking quickly on his Career, He has a pulled Hammy for crying out loud..and will have to play a different style of QB, more from the Pocket.. Can he not do this as a 12 Year Vet??
It’s time for him to Man-Up and Play unless he’s lost his Passion for the Game..
Barkley threw 3 INT’s in 7 minutes…and you have guys like Mike D talking about seeing what he has….give me a break…its 100% absurd! Barkley is at least 2 years away from just being a competent backup!
And is 9 years away from his last playoff win.
RealTalk I’m flattered youre showing me love on this page too. Someone said earlier that in 2011 Vick played great and the defense blew it. I recall Vick had close to 30 turnovers that year so I guess he had nothing to do with the losses…it was everyone else’s fault right. If the Packers can go 6-10 after reaching the NFC championship game so they can move forward, the Eagles can afford to take some losses to secure a decent future with a young qb. Will never know what Barkley or Foles is capable of if they don’t play.
And Vick is 9 years away from his last playoff win.
“Surprisingly, Vick wasn’t as forthcoming with information about his health as he was a week ago, when he declared himself unable to play against the Cowboys.” G I understand you think that Vick didn’t do the kid Foles any favors by announcing that he was not playing! In the long run he did us all a big favor by showing us that the kid is just not ready for prime time! Now we know that we will more than likely have to sign Vick to at least another one year contract. We have to stop longing for what we don’t have and focus on what we do have! The “QB” for the “future” that we know can play now and not get all choked up is Mike Vick!
If the QB can play…why has he been pulled from 2 of his last 5 starts??
I don’t even think Rayn Leaf got benched twice before he was shipped.
Why do you love Aaron Brooks…I mean MV7wins so much?
oh crow- the good news… we all know you are silly.
Cigar…please tell me what the other side of the argument is.
Vick has unbelievable arm strength, athleticism and gives us a chance to win the SB if we can secure some missing pieces. The years in Atlanta and Philly have been marred by lack of good players around him and terrible coaches
Bullshit.
Name a team right now. Any team. And I guarantee you Vick does not win a SB with it.
He’s too inconsistent and good D coordinators eat him alive.
The whole “Every team he played on was bad” argument is bullshit. Why don’t you go interview some offensive linemen from Atlanta or Philly, and ask them if they agree with your thesis.
Amazing how Vick gets sacked on 9.6% of his dropbacks, but Foles on 6.6 of his.
Its because the OLine is bad with Vick and good with Foles. Is that the argument.
Amazing how Cooper, McCoy, and the TEs all have more catches under Foles than Vick….despite him playing less time.
Its because they are all shit under Vick and suddenly good under Foles. Is that the argument?
You cannot have 11 years of “BAD” players areound one guy ALL THE TIME without beginning to look at that GUY as the Problem!
And “terrible coaches” Good god. I’ll give you Mora, but he had Dan Reeves and Andy Reid. Say what you want, but you can’t call either of them bad coaches.
Vinnie as a newly converted Vick supporter I respectfully disagree. As I stated earlier he is the second best qb of this generation. He would have more playoff wins had he had better players around him. Granted he completes less than 60% of his passes but his receivers drop tons of balls
Kool unfortunately mv7 will never agree to a one year deal..why would he. ?. Lots of teams need a qb we need to go at least 3 at $50million, with an option for a 4th year.
haveacigar, that’s a good point..if I was Vick agent I wouldn’t do a one year deal. We cant say that any of the college QB’s are going to be franchise QB’s, so the best move will probably be to sign Vick to a good deal and then try to improve the receivers, get another offensive lineman in free agency, draft some more defensive help.
Kook breeze you make it very tough to be on your side…
cigar when your brain is clogged up from those cheap cigars you must be smoking…it’s not tough at all…I mean even you had a moment of clarity with your Vick point!
There is little to no Market for MV7 outside the Eagles ..
Name me a Team that would sign a 34 Year Old, Often Injuredhim to a
2-3-4 Year Big $$$Deal .. Not one..
His best chance for a good Contract is to play well over the last 8-9 Games and lead the Eagles into the Playoffs, then he would have his best leverage with re-signing with the Eagles.. but even if Vick were to personally play well but the Eagles Finish 6-10 or 7-9, then his Career is over in Philadelphia..
Now another Team could offer him a 1 Year Deal on the Cheap but thats about it.. I think Tampa Bay could end up being a good loanding spot for him in 2014
HC Schiano will get Fired, they have some decent Receivers, and need some juice and excitement back into their Team
Cleveland Browns – No way is Joe Banner ever having Mike Vick play for him, not in a million Years ..
Vikings – Already have like 5 QB’s on their Roster
Raiders – Have committed to QB Pryor who has some promise
Bills – EJ Manuel is their man, and Thad Lewis a capable Back-up
Jets – Geno Smith getting better and better as Season goes along
Titans – appear satisfied with progress from Jake Locker
Cardinals – Need a QB, expect them top switch from Palmer to Drew Stanton any week now to see how he performs .. Carson Palmer is toast
Texans – Matt Shaub may be finished with his lack of leadership, and emotinal scars by the fans that his time with the Texans is about done
Come on Paul join us on the Vick supporter side…it’s fun! Vick should be a top five salaried qb next year!
c’mon paulman…you guys have been predicting the demise of Vick all year long…face the real facts! Vick is the best option going forward. To this point under Chip Kelly…(forget about Vinnie’s history arguments totally irrelevant his other history) , Vick has been productive! If Vick plays at the same level he has played for the majority of this year, and we get improved defensive play…the Eagles will make the playoffs! If the Eagles finish 7-9 or 6-10 (an improvement over last year debacle) with Vick playing well…a strong argument will be made for keeping Vick…given that the options going into next year would be an unproven rookie or Nick “choker” Foles….with those options…the Eagles will do like they did last year…ignore the Vick haters and keep Mike Vick!
This skayne fella is hilarious. I’ve never seen such adoration and commitment to a player who has had a below average career at best. I’m not precisely sure what he’s done to secure your unending love and affection but it’s bizarre. And I’m not here carrying a torch for Barkley or Foles…I simply want to see them play because I want to move on to a new future without Andy Reid and Michael Vick. Time to go Mike…but odds are you’ll start and provide your followers with more of the same. It’s like a relationship where one person gives everything and only gets half ass commitment in return…must be nice to be Mike Vick…play like crap and they still love you.
So I guess that pick Mike Vick threw in that playoff game in 2010 wasn’t choke job huh Koolbreeze? Wasn’t 1st and ten when he made that horrible throw to Riley Cooper….yessss it was. Golly gee what clutch performance. He’s been clutch his whole career, ten years in league and only four winning seasons and one playoff win…wow…H of F for sure. hahaha give me a break dude.
It only seems like adoration to you, because you’re biased and have an agenda, like RealTalk tried to warn me about. I didn’t take his advice and gave you too much credit.
Funny how stating facts is qualifies as adoration…you wanted facts I gave some to you. But your mind is made up…a fact that disproved your narrative just made you believe in it even stronger.
As I said in a previous post…other players on the team factor greatly in a loss. Those players mean nothing to you.
I guess you hate Vick cuz we didn’t pull out that game.
Fact: he had the best numbers, and highest qb rating of all the qbs the Packers faced in their SB run…but I know facts actually mean very little to you.
You see MikeD16 you have the same problem that Vinnie’ and other Mike Vick haters suffers from…a persistent focus on the irrelevant…Mike Vick’s past under Andy Reid or in Atlanta is irrelevant. The relevant point you make here is that he is better than Barkley or Foles! Mike Vick has played well THIS YEAR under Chip Kelly.
OK then
Focus on THIS YEAR….focusing….focusing…
lowest comp% in the league
2 ints/doinks returned for tds
highest sack % in the league
hurt as usual
1 win 3 losses
what am I looking for again?
What people don’t realize is, the way things are looking in this so called rich QB draft coming up, none will be there for us, the Bucs, Vikings, browns, jags,cardinals texans, raiders, and maybe the Rams will all be looking to draft a QB, all of them as of now will be drafting before us, which only means one thing, Vick will be our QB next year! Get use to that reality people.
you’re assuming Mike Vick doesn’t get permanently injured beyond repair. The expiration date on Mike Vick has passed
At 60% he’s still faster then Foles and Barkley and with Chip its obvious that’s what counts.
We have to move on…accept the facts..Mike Vick is our QB! Time to accept this and focus on where we can really make some significant improvements-at wide receiver, defensive help at corner and safety! We probably should upgrade at offensive guard too! This is where we should think about making the upgrades…forget about the dream of getting the next Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, or Tom Brady.
Haha so let me get this straight…I pull out below average stats and performance to support my argument and I’m a hater. But you think being Vicks cheerleader no matter what exempts you? If I’m a hater so are you chief. You just don’t like what I’m saying so that means I hate. Yay. And the Eagles were 1 and 3 with Vick…and the only good team they faced blew them out by 32 points. You’ll get Vick and that seems to be all you care about….can’t be wins since Vick hasn’t delivered many of those the last three years.
Another thing…apply your own logic to situation. You say team is full of wholes all over, not just qb position, which means they are not set up to win now. If that’s the case start the kids and see what you have. Thank you for making my point.
You haven’t made a single cogent point all day, and koolbreeze didn’t make any point you failed to articulate.
We have holes like every team in the NFL. Some more than others. Doesn’t mean you can’t win because you don’t have all-stars at every position. You hold the same myopic viewpoint as some on here, thinking you cease trying to do anything other than search for the next qb.
Other succesful teams don’t do that. The Packers didn’t do that either, contrary to what you claimed earlier. The 49ers had Smith, and Harbaugh kept him after he was garbage his entire career before, and even though he drafted Kapernick. The Seahawks never tanked, and Wilson got the job after winning a competition with Matt Flynn. The Dolphins never quit trying to win, and Tannehill had to win a competition as well.
No franchise does what you people want to do…play a qb who is lesser, with the playoffs at stake. NONE.
No-one hands any Qb the job if a viable vet is playing well. None. Like I said earlier, do any other players on this team rate?
I can’t wait for the next future franchise Qb. He’ll mature just in time for Lesean when he’s 30, Desean is past 30, and then you nimrods will be talking about ‘rebuilding’ again.
Rebuilding is the loser franchise route.
Actually the Packers did choose a lesser qb over a solid vet when they booted Favre to start Rodgers after Favre took them to the NFC championship game. If you recall the first year Rodgers was the starter Favre took him the Packers to the woodshed twice. I’ve made clear points. I’m not blowing anyone’s horn…just stating obvious…Vick is not the answer. Anyone without a bias looking at his career record and stats would agree he has been below average. Have a nice day.
Silly rabbit! Mike I would rather have Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, RGIII, Andrew Luck, Tom Brady…I’d take any of them over Mike Vick…unfortunately those guys are not available. Your ‘stats’ are irrelevant and meaningless. Vick is playing for the first time under Chip Kelly and anyone objectively watching the games will note the obvious: He has played well! So I will simply take the best QB available on the team NOW…Mike Vick! You Vick haters are simply stupid and refuse to think in logical, football reality. Foles had a chance to win the job in training camp and he had his big test against Dallas…we can all see the obvious…Vick is the better QB so he should play…period!
You clowns banter back and forth, Vick or foles , it doesn’t matter what you think, what you want, it is what the owner wants, and he wants and what he has always wanted is a black quarterback, for profits and for the better financial good of his white brethren owners, if Vick is good for profits, like he is, he is the eages qb, unless injury gives ole whitey a brief chance, and he had a glimpse of a chance, he might have given the owner no choice to sit Vick if foles remained perfect, a standard never imposed on a quarterback in the history of the game, but nick foles faltered, like all, ALL quarterbacks have horrendous, indescribable performances, but nick is held to a different standard here
So it’s back to mediocrity but profits
A good franchise doesn’t rebuild, they reload! The Eagles ran their franchise like that, until they tried the experiment of moving a viable vet qb for an unknown quantity.
Kolb didn’t work out did he? And guess what, it lead to your nemesis-Mike Vick!
You clowns are too oblivious to realize what you want has already been tried!
Some of you probably wanted 5 gone, now you despise Vick. Average qb? Go all in on Foles or Barkley, and you might be begging for “average”.
Some folk just refuse to realize Qb isn’t this team’s biggest problem. We have other holes to fill…and if we fill them well we can win games with an average QB..look at the Kansas City Chiefs.
Thank you tsjohnson…excellent example!
I love ad hominem attacks. Look at his career statistics…below average. Only four winning seasons and one playoff win. And the Eagles this year were 1 and 3 when he was injured. The one playoff game he played for Philly he threw a game ending interception on 1st and ten from the 25 yard line. He followed that up with two straight losing seasons where he led the league in turnovers. Those are facts and stats. You haven’t presented a single stat or fact to support your arguments, you blame the team around him…which is what a loser would do. They’re the same excuses people on this board made last year and the year before. And the Colts, Packer, Giants all had losing seasons switching to young quarterbacks…and they all won Super Bowls. Eagles….zero Super Bowls. I rest my case.
You rest your case? You haven’t made one! And you keep talking incessantly about career stats, when only his Eagles numbers are relevant!
The fact that he’s first in passer rating doesn’t matter? Of course not, you’re mind is made up! A loser fails to analyze the qb on his play alone…a hater with an agenda ignores that we lost a game this year where Vick had a 118 qb rating?
A loser ignores that Vick played the best game of all the opposing qbs against the eventual champions.
The excuses are made by you people, who fail to point out ONE situation that a team quit on the play-offs in order to see what they have in the next qb. None of the teams you mentioned did that during the season!
You’re too simple too understand it that none of those teams did what you want.
As RealTalk said…a hater with an agenda.
He has not played a full season since he’s been here. He blew the playoff game he was in with a horrible interception in the end zone on first down (if Foles threw that one you’d crucify him by the way). He’s had two straight losing seasons where he led the league in turnovers. You keep bringing up point that he leads all Eagles qbs in passer rating…which is irrelevant since McNabb had a better winning percentage…so did Jaws and Cunningham. He was 1 and 3 this year when he got hurt. You make the excuse that his poor play the last two years was due to having a bad team around him. Well the team is still relatively the same this year esp on offense yet you make the argument that you don’t mail in the season when you have a chance to win. Your logic is flawed and all over the place to suit your bias. Got news for you…they can start Vick…but the Eagles ain’t winning anything this year. Enjoy
Yeah and Vick getting hurt is one of the few legit criticisms you haters make.
You fail reading comprehension as well.
My point all along is McNabb got wins were he played badly…because we had 2 phases of the team to pick up the slack.
You keep talking about winning percentage, when McNabb had the better team. That’s why we won.
I said the defense and STs was bad, can’t you read! If you’ve been paying attention, they are improving. I’m looking forward to Vick taking advantage of the good defensive performance that Foles just squandered.
You’ll see what happens when the defense plays well, and 30 points is more than good enough to win.
And he didn’t play badly in 2011 or this year. Are you such a hater to claim a qb who’s offense is ranked top 5 is playing badly? I know he’s an innocent bystander while all the yards get gained and points scored.
When he got hurt, he had the most passes in the league over 20 yards, top 5 in rushes over 20 yards, 2nd in yds/pass att., the only team with over 1000 yds passing and 750 yards rushing, with 200 of the rushing yards his.
Your logic is flawed, you’re too much of a hater to comprehend that!
LOL..Mike your case need rest before you started with your lame, tired ‘stats’…all of that stuff is meaningless, irrelevant, illogical, and down right pathetic as an argument. We dont have to look at his ‘career statistics’….here is a simple fact that blows all of your history lessons out of the window…right now he is the best QB on the Eagles! Bottom line…your case is dismissed!
I agree with your premise Skayne,
But the Eagłes are no longer a “Good Franchise” and haven’t been for about 4-5 Seasons now.. They have an incapable GM in Roseman who is unable to “reload” for he is not a true evaluator of NFL Talent
And it’s been sad to see, but the Eagles are nowhere consistent enough to be considered a Top 12-15 NFL Organization any longer
And that’s the reality, the sad thibg is that they still think thstvthryvare but the NFL across the Board had become better while the Eagkes have become worse..
Oh…and 8-8 and 4-12 is below average which is what you’ve gotten from Vick for two years.
Joe Montana also won two games his first year as a starter. How’d he do after that?
Once again, you’re wrong on the facts! Vick wasn’t 8-8…he was 7-6…with 2 of those losses coming in games where he left the game with the Eagles in the lead.
Since you rarely know the facts you think Vick is 1-3 while Foles is 2-1…wrong again. The same NFL rules giving Vick the losses in 2011 cuz he was the starter in those games where the team lost the lead with him hurt, applies in the Giants game. Yet another game he left with the lead…which Foles lost and then gets bailed out by the defense.
And Montana actually accomplished things in college. Foles had one winning season, with ZERO BOWL WINS, with garbage stats in the bowl games he played. So get real.
Foles has no pedigree to worth risking this season over.
In 2011, the year you keep talking about the Eagles having a top offense, they had leads several times going into the second half and still lost. You blame the defense which is only part of the problem because the offense has to keep scoring. They were unable to due to halftime adjusters made by the other team. Atlanta was one of those teams..,they have a good offense…couldn’t expect d to shut them down whole game. Also, you claim Bad defense is most of problem last few years. Well Kurt Warner ran one of the offenses in history…with a bad d on other side and still had winning seasons. Cherry pick numbers all you want…doesn’t change anything.
I just knew you’d still be here flapping your gums…
Matt Leinert won 4 games his first year as a starter…
Tavaris Jackson won 8 games his first year as a starter…
Charlie Frye had a 2-3 record his rookie season as a starter…
Jason Campbell won 2 games his first year as a starter..(2-7 record)
I can go on and on and on….this list is much longer than the list in which Joe Montana is on…realtalk!
You were also wrong about Vick being 4-12, do you get any of the facts straight Mike?
Vick was 3-7, Foles was 1-5 last year. I’m beginning to doubt you know anything. Trying to give Vick Foles 5 losses? Shit, one wasn’t enough? The Dallas game last year goes on Vick’s record, even though the score was tied when he got hurt.
Try again.
In 2011 Vick had 14 interceptions and 10 fumbles vs only 18tds in 13 games, his recrod was 7-8. The weapons around him on offense were the same as they are now…actually better with Maclin healthy. In 2012…in 10 starts he threw 10 picks and fumbled the ball 11 times while only throwing 10tds. Offensive firepower again was the same as it is now except Maclin was healthy. So both years he had more turnovers than he tds…that’s below average. This year the Eagles reach 30 plus point number twice with Vick against two bad defensive teams. They only scored 17 against the Chiefs and 20 against the Broncos ( the Denver defense is awful by the way…Dallas scored 50 on them). So again I’m seeing any elite quarterback play here. I’d like you to enlighten me on what you’ve seen that makes you think otherwise.
You keep bringing up Nick Foles like I’m carrying a torch for the guy. Comparing him or MAtt Barkley to Michael Vick is a ridiculous thing to do considering you comparing two “rookies” to a ten year veteran. I don’t know anything about either one of them, however, I would like to know if one or the other is capable of being the quarterback of the future. It’s pretty obvious that Vick is not the quarterback of the future and if it weren’t for the Eagles and their love affair with him he would be out of the league.
Also…If Kevin Kolb had comiled the same record and stats as Michael Vick over the last three years you’d be burning him at the stake and running him outta town. I’m not sure what bowl wins have to do with anything…I don’t think Peyton Manning won any bowl games while he was in college…guess that means he sucks too. And Joe Montana was drafted in the third round (82nd pick overall). Again you’re not really making any points or listing any relecant stats…you’re just telling me I’m a hater and making every excuse in the book to justify Vicks horrible NFL career.
I LOVE the Kevin Kolb comparisons. Because they are accurate.
I LOVE how Kolb is “ass” but Vick is a superstar.
From 2011-2012 Kolb started 14 games.
6W 8L (.430 win%) 248 of 427 (58%) for 3122 yards 17 tds and 11 ints
Thats “ass”, that’s “bum ass!”
From 2011-2012 MV7wins started 23 games
10W 13L (.430 win%) 457 of 774 (59%) 5665 yards 30tds 24 ints
Thats a superstar
Exact same win %
Exact same comp %
Vick a little higher on yards/game
exact same td %
Exact same int%
If Kolb is “Ass”, then MV7wins is “just ever so slightly above ass”
0 for 6 last time he played the Giants.
He was able to “compensate” for his terrible QBing by running around.
Now he can’t run around, less he blow that hamstring wide open and end his career.
MV7wins is a pocket passer this weekend.
Vickpologists get your “it was everyone else’s fault” arguements ready. You are going to need them Monday.
Again. I posted foles stats and you told me mike vick was pulled last season. I dont get how this lines up crow.
I hope everyone realizes that this game on Sunday isn’t going to be as easy as everyone thinks. Just because Mike is playing doesn’t mean we’re go to be guaranteed a win. The Giants held AP to what 20 some yards? So I would guess McCoy is going to have a hard time running as well. That means we’re going to have to rely on Vick standing back there and passing a lot (assuming he might not be able to run effectively because of the injury). That’s not Vick’s strong point. Even last weeks game wasn’t a guaranteed win, but on here is sounded like it was. One player coming back doesn’t mean anything in a team sport.
Please eagles trade for josh Gordon u never draft well anyway so take one if those picks and trade it for that 22 year old beast in the making u can’t depend on Maclin coming back from that ACL tear get the kid he is 6″4 222 and runs a 4.3 him djack avant cooper and ertz would be crazy for years to come give them Bryce all I do is run to the outside brown and a 3rd pick and he’ll throw in pat Chung or Trent I haven’t had a good year in two years cold and get this deal done ASAP time is ticking only a week left in the trade deadline
No one wants the crap from a crap team.
Browns are only looking for High Draft Picks in Return and not other Teams underperformers and have no need for Patick Chung or Trent Cole ..
ok- watching some of you talk about 4 year deal for #7 and bla bla bla… get real.
7 is not a top qb in the league…. however he may be the best qb we have. Until we know we have something better, he sticks around.
I dont know why some of you insist on “picking sides”.. the 3 qb’s are teammates… and we are fans. Foles is out with an injury and Barkley clearly is not ready… why not just root for your team?
Who cares who is under center? You guys are not GM’s or coaches!!
We have a head coach who understand that you need a run game.
We have a DC who is not learning on the job…. he’s actually a DC.
We have 1 WR who fits perfect in this system.
We have one of the best RB’s in the league.
Our Oline is playing better than they have in years.
Our D is still missing pieces but getting better.
We have 1 QB who shows a little promise… sometimes.
We have 1 QB who racks up a ton of yards both in the air and on the ground.
Root for your team you simpletons. Root for your team.
I still say….. next year we take the Div. This is a building year.
I agree Stevo….let’s root for the team! Mike Vick is the starting QB and rightfully so! He has played well and we are in position to challenge for the division this year! Let’s forget all of the “see what you got in Foles” or “give Barkley a shot” and let’s settle for what we have Mike Vick! With this resolved we can focus on the teams needs at wide receiver, the defense, and o-line
Lets settle for what we have.
Great idea. Settle for complete belpow average mediocrity.
Great Idea.
Love perennially underachieving MV7wins.
Love Nate Allen
Love whoever the other safty du-jour is.
Settle for our mini-man Wrs.
Settle for stone-hands Celek.
Love everybody.
Settle for the shite we have.
But especially…more than anything else….settle for Mike Vick at QB.
Settle for 7 wins a year in perpetuity.
Its what Koolbreeze suggests.
Excellent advice.
Nah, you would rather have us settle for Foles so we can win 3 games in perpetuity.
Haha the team only won three games with Vick all of last year. Good for you.
You still are unable to grasp the concept of a team sport…
Did Vick call the plays? Did Vick play defense? did he throw passes and catch those same passes? Did vick have the ball hiked to him and did he join the offensive line to block? How about 4 DC’s in the same amount of time…3 different O Line coaches since he’s been here….You guys ignore shit that matters and place the blame solely on one player…only football fans with no knowledge of the game does shit like that!
see what Barkley has this season….GTFO with that BS…
Myself and 99% of Eagles fans, have seen enough of Barkley for this season!
Let’s get REAL, as someone on here has been known to say, lol.
Yes, football is a team game, and the players on both the offense and defense will have a big affect on winning and losing. That being said, QB’s are historically measured by “their” won / loss record. There is a QB in the league who has practically the same number of games played as MV and virtually the same winning percentage. Both have played with a couple teams, and both have had their ups and downs. The player with the virtually the same winning percentage in the same number of games (who are both currently playing) is Jay Cutler. A .550 vs a .552 winning percentages in a little over 100 games each.
My point is, Jay Cutler has had success in the league, and so has Mike Vick. But neither QB is likely to end up in the HOF and neither is projected in any teams longterm (3-5 years) plans. Both have had good careers, and have plenty of highlights, but their best years are behind them.
@Real…I probably didn’t make myself as clear as I should.
I want the Birds to win as many games as they can, this year and every year. I also believe that on this team, this year, that a healthy Mike Vick gives the team the best chance to win. My point above was related to the team going forward next year. This year, it looks like Vick gives us our best shot. If needed, Foles would have to make a better showing then his Dallas performance. Being young, there is no reason to believe that he couldn’t rebound, but with that game so fresh in everyone’s mind, we need to see much better play to think that he is capable of leading Kelly’s team next year and beyond.
Well sorry to break the news to u buddy but a 3rd pick might be the most the browns get from anybody cause he is one drug test away from a 1yr suspension so a 3rd And Bryce brown and damirios Johnson might be the best they can do