Nick Foles
The quarterback position has been stabilized, at least for the coming season.
Nick Foles set the world on fire in 2013, but there’s still a fair amount of concern remaining about whether or not he truly is the long-term answer. In spite of all that he accomplished this season, many still talk about whether or not the Eagles will draft another quarterback with one of their early picks should the right guy still be on the board.
The way I see it, there’s no way that the Eagles can (or should) spend another pick on a quarterback. If the Eagles were to use a draft choice within the top four rounds on a quarterback, it’d be the third year in a row that they’ve committed a higher selection to the position. They used a third-round pick on Nick Foles in 2011, and a fourth-rounder on Matt Barkley last year.
With the emergence of Foles, and with Barkley just beginning his development, I don’t think it makes sense at all to add another young quarterback to the mix. Some will argue that Chip Kelly truly wants a mobile quarterback to unleash the full potential of his offense, but I think the idea that Kelly needs his quarterback to be mobile is a myth.
What Kelly wants is a guy that can run his offense efficiently and score points. And right now, he’d be hard-pressed to find a better guy for the job than Foles. Plain and simple, this team has a number of other areas that are bigger priorities and need to be addressed. Maybe it turns out that the success Foles experienced this year was a fluke. But after all that he’s done this year, he’s more than earned the right to enter next season as the unquestioned starter.
If he falters, then next year we can think about drafting another quarterback. But right now, I don’t understand why anyone would want to make upgrading the quarterback position a priority when you’ve got a young quarterback coming off of a tremendous year.
Was Foles perfect? No. But here’s the thing about young players. Because they’re still in the early stages of their careers, they’ve still got a good chance to develop and improve on the flaws in their games.
Michael Vick
Would Vick return to the Eagles as a backup?
I’d be very surprised if Vick comes back. Of course, I thought his departure was all but assured at the end of last season, so I suppose you can’t rule anything out.
Vick clearly wants to start, and there are too many teams out there that need help at the quarterback position, so at the very least there should be an opportunity for him to go out somewhere and compete for a job.
If Vick were to return as a backup, I’d be just fine with that. The Eagles need to have a veteran behind Foles and Barkley, and Vick is by far the best out of all of the veteran options (see below) that will be on the market, plus his familiarity with the system after already having been in it for a year is a plus.
The concern with Vick moving forward is that he’ll be another year older, and his skills may very well diminish further, which combined with some of the flaws in his game makes him unattractive as a starter. But he’s still got some explosiveness left in him, and if needed for a game or two could prove to be a very valuable asset.
Matt Barkley
Give Barkley a chance.
The former USC standout didn’t look impressive at all in his two appearances this year, but he was thrown into difficult situations for a rookie.
While Barkley didn’t show us anything to even make you feel good him as a possible number two quarterback, remember that all young players need to time to develop and adjust to the pro game. A year ago, I didn’t think Nick Foles had a chance to be anything more than a serviceable backup. I learned from his case that you’ve really got to be patient with young players, and give them a real chance to show what they can do before writing them off.
Barkley is going to be a guy to watch next year at Training Camp. He’s going to have a chance to push for the backup job, regardless of whatever veteran that the Eagles bring in over the offseason. Let’s see if the coaching staff can bring out the best in him.
Possible Free Agent Additions
The free-agent market isn’t very deep when it comes to veteran backups.
Josh McCown is the best name out there, but he’s earned a chance to go somewhere to at least compete for a starting gig.
Josh Freeman is a guy I would have some interest in, but I wouldn’t bang down the doors go get him. He’s got great physical talent, and he’s been put in to some pretty terrible situations in Tampa Bay and Minnesota during his career. The best thing Freeman could do would be to go to a positive environment with a good coaching staff that can help him get his career back on track, and I think Kelly and his quarterback-friendly system would be as good a situation as any for Freeman to land in.
Chad Henne is another guy I wouldn’t mind seeing the Eagles take a run at. He’s another guy who I think has done a decent job while playing on some terrible Miami and Jacksonville teams. Plugging him into a good system with better offensive weapons than he’s ever had before could make him a decent fit as a veteran backup here.
Beyond those three, there’s really nothing on the quarterback market.
Matt Flynn? No thanks. Tarvaris Jackson? I’ll pass. Kellen Clemens? Not interested. Rex Grossman? No way.
No draft prospects huh Denny. Classic. You also forgot about G.J. Kinne
please i pray not josh freeman, he is awful. i will take doug pederson at age 55 over him
A couple of Free-Agent QB’s who have some NFL experience who could work in Kelly’s Offense in a Back-Up Capacity
QB Thaddeous Lewis – Bills (not sure of his Contract Status,but could probably get him for a 6th Round Pick)
QB Mark Sanchez (Yes, that Mark Sanchez once he gets released from the Jets and the Eagles could get him on the cheap)
QB Tim Tebow (Yes Tim Tebow which again would be low cost,with no real committment)
Then you have Tavaris Jackson, Seneca Wallace, Josh Freeman,
Dixon again and other re-treads, but not an exciting list of back-ups QB’s…
Absolutely no to all those QB’s Paul. Thad Lewis I would think about
Brian Hoyer, Vick (if he is willing to stay), Matt Shaub, or Chad Henne
Draft: I like in order, Brett Smith, Wyoming, Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Eastern Illinois, and Tyler Russell, QB, Mississippi State.
I find a way to trade Matt Barkley. To me not worth a roster spot; not an NFL QB.
add TJ Yates if the Texans keep Shaub….
What Value does Barkley hae Cliff..
You have to play him next Summer to see if he cuts it or not, then
they will make a decision..
These QB’s I listed above are all Back-up /2nd Stringers and Players with NFL experience who are more Arthletic than a Matt Schaub,Cade McCnown, Chad Henne,,, which is the reason I listed them.. do I like any of them to Start and lead the Eagles, no, but as I back-up, I rather have a QB come off the bench with some NFL Experience and somewhat be athletic enough to work in Kellys system which i think a Tadd lewis, T Jackson, Mark Sanchez or even a Tim Tebow could do, even if it’s in a limited way..
Christian Ponder/Jake Locker may get cut from their Current Teams and may be worth a look .. At least they are younger and more Athletic than most of the re-treads on the Free-Agency List
Right Now none. But if he can perform in a stretch of pre-season games we could sucker some team into rationalizing he’s better than he is and get a 6th…..
Veteran Leadership is needed behind Foles. Although some that you listed are younger, and have, not much but, some talent, they are flat out, not better QB’s than Shaub, Yates, or Chad Henne. That includes Ponder, Jake Locker, Sanchez, and I don’t know why you mentioned Tebow; same boat as Barkley – Overhyped College QB only
Then we could draft, and groom, a better option than Barkley behind the veteran, like the incoming draft prospects that I mentioned.
We don’t necessarily need an athletic QB to run this Offense. I thought we were past all that hogwash…..Foles has already proved that.
Of course he (barkley) has no Trade Value, for he hasn’t played or learn what he’s doing yet.. So you may as well ride it out and see what he does this Summer Camp, then make a Determination.. He probably isn’t a fir in Kelly’s System, but it he looks good, maybe then you can get some Value from another Team who may like what he does or is a better fit … No one knows anything about Barkley which is why you work him and play him and see what he can do
Of course he (barkley) has no Trade Value, for he hasn’t played or learn what he’s doing yet.. So you may as well ride it out and see what he does this Summer Camp, then make a Determination.. He probably isn’t a fir in Kelly’s System, but if he looks good, maybe then you can get some Value from another Team who may like what he does or is a better fit … No one knows anything about Barkley which is why you work him and play him and see what he can do, releasing or cutting him now would be foolish.. they already made the decision to Draft him last Year, so see what he’s got and he may surprise or impress some Teams elsewhere
so what’s to lose ..
I also don’t think its foolish getting rid of dead weight.
He may be around by training camp, but realistically fall victim to the numbers game, if he doesn’t perform well, and the veteran does, and the rookie displays enough potential.
I never said release him or cut him. I feel we should try to get something for him, if we can, that is, if he shows enough to be traded for something…..
and Tavaris Jackson, and Mark Sanchez stink. I don’t want those stiffs on this team…
1) Nick Foles $770,880 (Raise next offseason)
2) Matt Barkley $639,257
3) Gj Kinne $450,000
4) Draft Tajh Boyd Logan Thomas if they fall to a high value spot
5) Seneca Wallace $840,000
6) Josh Freeman $840,000 – $1,000,000
7) Tarvaris Jackson $840,000
8) Dennis Dixon $720,000
Kellen Clemens $1,000,000 – $1,200,000
Wouldn’t mind either of those rooks for next season.
That FA list is a bunch of stiffs though.
Whether we like it or not I think Chip will have Barkley a his number 2 guy next year. They used a high 4th round pick on him. I cant see him and Howie just throwing it away for nothing, on top of it no one will give up anything for Barkley thats close to a 4th round pick. he will be the backup before they just flip him for a 5/6/7th round pick.
Its called prideful stubbornness Pheags.
Barkley isn’t an NFL QB…..
Draft Tajh Boyd 5th round or later, bring in Hoyer or Lewis dump Barkley for a bag of kicking tees and a blocking sled and hope like hell Foles doesn’t get hurt. Denny give Barkley a chance to do what? Turn into Matt Leinart or Mark Sanchez, no thanks.
Good analysis Denny
Hey big, Barkley is the back up get used to it, I agree based on his limited production he stinks, but this is kelly’s pick. Foles wasn’t
Yeah I know Jake but damn we can’t go into the season next year with that stiff one snap away from running the team.
I would agree BL. In todays NFL the backup QB is even more important to a teams success. I am sure that Kelly and Roseman / Gamble will have a number of candidates in to try for the position. Based on Barkley’s performance this year, he should not feel safe that he has a secure spot on the team. A veteran QB with a track record is where I would look.
A question was raised the other day to why a lot of fans have a wait and see attititude towards Foles after an exceptional year after Vick went down.
I’m one of those fans and will answer to why we really want better than Foles.
It’s not because of race!
I would take Luck and Romo over Foles in a hot minute because they would be ridiculous if they were surrounded by all the talent that surrounds Foles.
It’s not because he was a 3rd round pick.
Russell Wilson was a 3rd rounder and I’ll gladly accept Wilson over Foles.
“G”Cobb made an assessment that many here are Vick fans and because of Vick we will never accept Foles.
NOT!
Vick is probably gone and I still don’t want Foles as the main guy.
So why?
Number one – Chip Kelly!
Chip Kelly’s offense was potent under Vick as well as Foles, so that tells me that Chip offense will succeed regardless and I’d rather have a quarterback with the fire who can take over on 3rd down to move the chains when all else fails.
Foles is just not that guy.
He’s ok if everytjhing is working well around him but that won’t fly come playoff time and we as Eagles fans have had enough of winning games against mediocre talent during the year only to have our weaknesses exposed in the playoffs.
We need a game changer at quarterback and that’s why I will not settle.
There’s many QB’s who would have done the same under Chip that I would put ahead of Foles…
Guys like Alex Smith, Philip Rivers,Tony Romo, Ryan Tannehill,Sam Bradford. These guys are all white and I would accept them over Nick Foles.
I believe any of these quarterbacks could excel under Chip.
Foles is slow and have “0” pocket awareness.
Foles will slip no one moving in the pocket.
His long ball takes forever to get to wide open receivers giving DB’s opportunity to break back to the ball.
Defenders would rather plan for Foles opposed to a threat like a Michael Vick, or Kaepernick.
So these are the reasons Fans like myself won’t embrace Foles knowing a championship can not be won with him at the helm.
The QB’s in the NFC Championship game is what we must beat in order to get to the next level.
We need a QB comparable to them when comparing the greatest measurement for a QB…………..
“converting 3rd downs for 1st downs” when it counts.
You continue to be a fraud….the reason that you don’t want Foles is because you are a REDSKINS FAN….a loser and you continue to prove it over and over again.
You would take a broken down 34 year old choker in Romo rather than Foles….you are really showing your stupidity there FraudSongs…..what a loser.
I’ll respond the the village idiot.
Pretty much, everything you say is untrue! Let’s look at production:
1st 8 games: we were 3-5 and averaging 22 points per game and 397 yards
Last 8 games : 7-1, 33 points per game and 437 yards.
Foles on 3rd down: ranked 4th in the league in completions that went for a 1st down on 3rd down at 46.2% (that is NOT completion percentage). Phillip Rivers lead the league at 49.4%. Other two ahead of Foles were Peyton Manning and Josh McCown. Basically, we have the 4th best QB in the league on 3rd downs.
Songs, you say things that reality completely contradicts.
I’ll just add to that by saying Foles was also the highest rated QB in the NFL inside the redzone, and completed something like 70% of his passes in the red zone.
Thanks for your input Songs, but the Eagles already hired Chip Kelly to decide what’s best for the team.
Let me ask you a question…. Do you think Chip Kelly knows what he needs to make his offense work?
What I don’t understand is guys like you and Theone1, and koolbreeze, who think Chip Kelly is an offensive genius, yet you think he is making a mistake with the most important position in the sport of football.
If Chip Kelly doesn’t think Nick Foles can take this team to the super bowl he will replace Nick Foles.
chip is not making a mistake with Foles.
Foles played because Vick got injured.
I believe Chip is not sold on Foles as the perfect fit for what he expect a QB to do in this offense and will get his guy in next year’s draft.
“I believe Chip is not sold on Foles as the perfect fit for what he expect a QB to do ”
I guess this is based on your conversations with Chip? Or were these just voices in your head?
Vick got well, yet Foles continued to play….
Vick was healthy for the last 6 games of the season and could have played, but Chip chose to go with Foles.
You were on this site during every game calling for Vick to be put in the game. So in your mind Chip was making a mistake.
Speaking of Vick, did anyone read the article on the book by his mistress / stripper at Phillydotcom?
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/red_zone/Michael-Vick-Longtime-secret-lover-stripper-sexually-explicit-book-dogfighting.html
Songs..Let me see if I can Re-Phrase it for you…
You want a QB that when it’s 3rd and whatever and the Defense is man up
on recievers with their backs turned running downfield and it’s 10+ yds of greenery in front..
You wants a QB that can take off and get that
Or when the team is running those “zone read/read option” whatever plays and the DE is clearly crashing hard to stop the RB ..You wants a QB to be able to pull that ball out and get around that corner for 8 to 10yds..
If there is a QB out there can do those things along with what we have witnessed from Nicky “slow shoes” ..then songs wants that guy
The rest of us just want to win a superbowl…. kinda like brady (3), Mannings (3), Ben (2), Flacco (1), rodgers (1) Favre (1). We want a qb that makes big plays on third down too… kinda like the guys i just mentioned.
Look guys, this will not be the first time I harped on about player getting much opposition and turned out I was right.
No one came back and apologized admitting their error and I don’t expect these same guys to admit it when we get the QB Chip dreams of for this offense.
Paste it!
Look guys…..I was right ONE TIME…..come on, I quit on this team and post complete bullshit……but I was right on Burflict, so then you should forget that I also told everyone that I was a Redskins fan and RGIII……but forget that guys, I want to be sure that everyone knows that I HATE Foles…..you know…..he is ass……I will paste all of my old Kolb statements and plug in Foles name because as a child my parents vacinated me and I cannot be resonsible for the shit that I type…….signed FRAUDSONGS
oh sorry….almost forgot…..PASTE THIS
LOL!!
FRAUDSONGS…BEAT IT! …You are the ultimate turncoat. You have no credibility or respect on this site. GO AWAY..FRAUD!
Please..I was right on Burfict too and wanted him. So What! You punched your ticket last year when you traded in your Eagle fan card..Scram!
LMAO!
LOL!!!!!!
greenfan, best post ever on here! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Is Songs really George Costanzsa?
Does anyone remember the Seinfeld episode when George realizes that every instinct he has is wrong and then suddenly decides to do everything the opposite?
Is this songs? Whatever Songs says – believe the opposite!!
Songs: “Foles is a game manager – he can’t compete with any problems – everything must be working well for him to be successful”
Except snowstorms, coming in cold for 2nd halves of divisional games on the road, setting rookie records at end of last year while team is collapsing around him…..cannot compete unless everything is perfect – that’s so true!
Songs: “The offense was just as potent under Vick as it was with Foles!”
Except it wasn’t. Neither in 2012 nor 2013.
Songs: “Foles checks down and won’t force the ball downfield!”
Except he led the league in ‘deep throws’ 17.4% of his passes over 20 yards. Highest in the NFL.
Songs: “But the ball takes forever to get there allowing DBs to break them up”
Except he was 7th in the NFL in deep throw accuracy. (up from last year of course)
Songs “but he doesn’t take chances down the field. He checks down all the time and doesn’t see Desean streaking down the field for tds!”
Except he was second in the NFL with deep ball TDs with 14. Brees was first with 15, but played 6 more games.
Songs: “Foles does not take over on 3rd down – he can’t make plays to keep drives alive!”
Except he was 4th in the league completing passes for 1st downs.
Whatever Songs says – take the opposite!!
Exactly…he states things without any factual information to back his statements up. It’s all based on personal feelings, not proof. I think he was eating to much paste as a child thinking it was Philly cream cheese!
I think it’s just the culmulative impact of Songs receiving too many “Vaccine Shots” when he was a kid… Reports have been unearthed to state that his Mom & Aunt would take him to the Clinic like every other week during his formative years… I kind of feel a little bad for the guy..
Is songs from Jacksonville ?
No, I don’t think Songs is from Jacksonville…. BigLion and TSJohnson are from Jacksonville I think.
Songs is from the Moon.
LOL, Jacksonville isn’t claiming Songs no way no how.
ok…..say what want..paste it!
Chip will have his guy in next year’s draft and it won’t be Foles.
Foles is nere on a base contract until Chip’s guy is running this team.
Paste it!
Coooooooo-stan-za.
FRAUDSONGS…BEAT IT! …You are the ultimate turncoat. You have no credibility or respect on this site. GO AWAY..FRAUD!
Please..I was right on Burfict too and wanted him. So What! You punched your ticket last year when you traded in your Eagle fan card..Scram!
**Eagles News**
The Maxwell Football Club has named Chip Kelly Coach of The Year
I am sure that will make Keyshawn Johnson and Phil Simms happy.
Are we still arguing about QB?
Look SONGS, Kool, and the other haters…..YOU LOSE!! HAHAHA !!
Those on here that have a brain called for Foles all last offseason. We look really stupid now don’t we… No you haters do. Go worship at the feet of RGIII and his entitled Diva A$$.
You dudes are wrong about songs
He is biased, maybe racist, but he is honest about his beliefs
How many of you show your true colors here like songs does
I dislike songs comments but respect him
I would disagree Jake, but you are entitled to your opinion.
The guy baled on the team. No respect for that. He hides his bias behind capital letters, nonsensical statements and bullshit. Quitting on your team when times are tough gets no respect from me. And I will continue to remind everyone how he is a Fraud every chance I get.
You know green, you may be right, but when I read about a Virginia mom getting run over by a drunk, and that drunk hiding his pain, a doctor, who lost his wife from cancer and has children without a mom, I can’t get too wrapped up in this fandom discussion.
I don’t quite know what to say Jake. Everyday there are thousands and thousands of sad and tragic stories around the world. When they strike closer to home, you will notice, but using your logic I guess that every form of entertainment and non-essential activity be discontinued. It is a choice that everyone can make. I am a fan of the birds and enjoy discussing everything about the team. If someone believes that it is trivial or not important, I really cannot argue, but everyone gets to make that personal choice.
Joe Montana
“The game is changing,” he said. “Nobody wants to throw with pressure anymore. But the guys who can win in this league are the ones who can make throws from the pocket.”
More Joe Montana (on Kapernick)
“I like his mobility and that he’s getting the ball downfield,” Montana told USA Today. “But sometimes, he needs to be more accurate in the pocket with pressure.
Montana believes Kaepernick must learn how to stand tall in a pocket and take a hit.
“Kaepernick still needs to get better at that,” Montana said. “He’ll look and then he’s off and running. I still think the thing is the pocket and making those tight throws from the pocket.”
Montana also sees accuracy as an issue for Kaepernick.
“He’ll make some,” Montana said of Kaepernick, “but a lot of times guys are wide open, and he misses them.”
Foles is $$
Just for clairification sake where is Foles mentioned in that article, oh wait let me read between the lines. Nope still don’t see it.
Joe Montana is not wrong…. Anybody that watches football can see that Kaepernick would not be an NFL quarterback if not for his speed. He has one of the slowest releases since Byron Leftwich, and his accuracy is less than average.
Really now so Harbaugh replaced Alex Smith with Kap because he can run fast? Damn
All I know is that he winds-up to throw a pass…. and his completion percentage in 58%
Coming out of college he he had the slowest throwing motion among all QB in his class.
He’s ‘6 5″, 230 Lbs. and runs a 40 yard dash in 4.53 seconds…. Perhaps you can tell me why a guy with those measurables was the 6th QB taken in 2011.
Yeah, I would say he took Smith’s job for no other reason, but that he can run fast….period.
In less than two years of starting he has appeared in the Super Bowl and now the NFC Championship game. I know SF has a very good defense but please don’t diminish what he’s done by saying it’s because he runs fast.
We know. You love the scramblers. No exclamation marks this time, but close. Pump up their accomplishments.
Diminish Foles.
Foles sucks.
Kaep is (right now) not an NFL QB. He stares at one WR. He makes one read then scrambles. If he had been on the Birds, they would have been 6-10.
Again you act like there is only one way to win a football game.
Big, the 49ers were in the NFC Championship game the year before Kaepernick started too. And they were well on their way to the super bowl last year before Kaepernick took over.
I’m not trying to diminish Kaepernick’s contribution to the 49ers success. I’m just saying that his biggest contribution is his rushing…. Lots of other QBs could give them more in the passing game.
That’s your opinion and yes he’s not as accurate as some but you are diminishing what he’s done by saying he’s only successful because he can run. If you know football and I know you do making that statement is foolish.
BTW what are all the other QB’s from that combine doing this weekend?
I don’t have anything against Colin Kaepernick – I hope he wins the super bowl this year. I don’t think Joe Montana has anything against Colin Kaepernick either, but all you have to do is watch him play to see that he is no a very good passer.
*** not **
Kaepernick can’t throw for shit. However he will be in the Super Bowl this year.
Niners ml for a paycheck this weekend.
Any one wonder why a running qb with no passing ability compared to the standards, kaepernick, is a heralded starter while another qb with roughly the same skill set, Tim Tebow, can’t get a job as a back up
Jake you know football why would you even ask that? So now Kap is that bad that you want to compare him to Tebow? Stop it just stop it.
Timmy Tebow makes Kaepernick’s passing ability look like Marino’s. Jake, please, look at how many chances Tebow got. He was hot garbage. If he could play a little bit and didn’t have the media circus follow him everywhere, he would at least be a back up. His skill set just was not good enough to keep him around with the circus that comes with him. The NFL would love to have Tebow as the face of the NFL, but he blows. Elway didn’t want Timmy, nor did Belichick or Rex Ryan. Last I checked, they are so called “white guys”. His so called race has nothing to do with it. Stop with the race crap. So Sick of people feeling sorry for themself.
You are a dope
I am not feeling sorry for anyone, just making commentary about what I believe is going on in the nfl, which has now become the wwe, previously the wwf
There is an agenda among these greedy owners to promote a black athlete at qb, because of profits, I am not denigrating the black athlete, but to ignore this obvious agenda is ignorance
Tim tebow would be in the nfl but for his color and religious beliefs, the guy has flat out won on every level, including the playoffs in the nfl, but he’s out of a job
Meanwhile you see below average, putrid qbs like Pryor, have starting jobs, and Kaepernick will soon join the garbage heap of over hyped qbs , but say what you want eagleshaslanded , get your head out of the sand, mike Vick was rehabbed because of fools like skayne, he was money to the nfl, he publicly questioned why upon his release from prison he didn’t go to buffallo or some other franchise that needed a quarterback, but he went to the eagles because that’s where he could make the nfl the most money, even though he doubted he would ever get a chance to play behind mcnabb and kolb, but his chance was preordained by these greedy white owners, who exploit these players, particularly black players like Vick
Vick is now out, not because of his talents necessarily but because the public, particularly the black community has finally warmed up to foles , songs, etc. notwithstanding
You can root all you want and believe it s a meritocracy , but you are being fooled like Vick was
This is really sad and you probably really believe what you just posted. How about Nick Foles beat out Michael Vick. Just like Michael Vick beat out Kevin Kolb. It really that simple. The object is to win the game and Nick Foles gives the Eagles the best chance to do that.
Jake, you can believe I’m a dope, as what you think of me has no bearing on my sense of self worth or what I know or believe about myself, especially when I know I’m correct in my statement. There are a lot of other so called white QB’s out there who are back ups that are crap too, Tebow could not beat them out either. You seem to have a sense of entitlement about Tebow because he is caucasian. No, he stinks! Now , in your mind, everyone who is of his own persuasion who has come to the conclusion, and hold decision making power are pawns too huh? Jake, race does not rule every decision making aspect of the world. Those who seek to look for reasons based on race to justify their failures are dopes. That is the foundation of bigotry and racial hatred. If he could play, he would be playing. Get you’re head out of the 1950’s. Just because he is caucasian does not justify or warrant him a job as an NFL QB (backup or starter). If he wanted to play full back or a tightend/fullback hybrid, he would still be playing. He chose not to switch his position which is his right. It appears you are looking for some sort of quota system, however, that doesn’t work, especially when the QB can be measured clearly on his performance on the field. Tebow would be good in the CFL as a QB. He’s not NFL caliber material though on any level. Get over your racial hang ups man. Society (GCOBB) is a much better place with out it!
That doesn’t even pass the laugh test. I actually liked Tim Tebow for what he was, a very good college QB who had limited success in the NFL. His arm was his problem, and nowhere near that of Kapernick.
Why aren’t we talking about Wilson? Oh… right.. it doesn’t fit the bias…gotcha.
Tebow? Really?
Tebow would have a job on a team is he wasn’t so outspoken. And… if he could throw.
I think Kap is overrated but he’s taken his team far twice now… I would argue that his D has been a huge help but we know from Vin that its all about the qb… and its ” its. Qb league”. So…. it has to be kap.. right? Or does that only work if its a pocket passer?
I would take a pocket passer all day over a runner BUT… you can still win in this league with a run game (however u get it), a tough D, and smart coaching.
Why aren’t we talking about Wilson?
Joe Montana’s comments were about Kaepernick. This conversation steamed from Joe’s comments.
Irish- vin posts whatever floats his bias.
Exactly why I was wondering what Foles had to do with Montana talking Kap.
‘Why you were wondering’ big lion??
That you can’t see how Montana’s comments relate to Foles is precisely your problem.
Well, llet me clarify, as your inferencing skills clearly need an upgrade.
There are a ton of guys on here who diminish Foles because he’s not a runner. you yourself have said Foles cannot do ‘other things’ (ie. run) to win games. Along with diminishing Foles, you all constantly extol the virtues of what you think are better qbs, Kaep, Newton, Wilson. ( better because they can run)
Now along comes the best qb ever who says the only way to win is with a pocket passer.
Foles is a much better pocket passer than Kap or Newton, and I think better than Wilson.
49ers were a dropped punt away from the an without Kap. Nothing changed when he arrived. He looked befuddled and confused last week against Carolina and he’ll look the same this week…staring at one guy then off and running. If he had been the Eagles qb, we’d have watched the birds flounder to 6 and 10.
The greatest qb ever says pocket passers is how you win in the nfl.
Eagles have a very good pocket passer now.
I’ll take that over your pathetic clad that Foles can’t do the ‘other things’ to win games.
Claim, not clad. Stupid phones.
I agree with you Vinny Kap is not a very good passer he looks like a baseball pitcher winding up to throw a fastball. But saying that he has a swagger, a toughness, a will to win in him. Will that be enough? His defense will determine that. I thought he passed better last year in his playoff run, he honestly looks like he has digressed this year. But saying that I don’t see NE or Denver both with superior QBs beating either Seattle or SF because of there defenses. Just the way it goes.
Vinnie the game is changing. Right now Foles maybe the best young pocket passer in the NFL but how is that relevant to tomorrow’s game. Do you think either of those teams would be playing tomorrow if Foles was their QB? I have a question that you can’t or won’t answer why is any compliment towards another QB a slight of Foles?
Look at the top QB’s coming out, only Bridgewater is a pocket passer and even he’s mobile. The QB I like coming out is the LSU kid but he tore his acl and guess what Vinnie? He’s a pocket passer.
“Along comes the best qb ever who says the ONLY way to win is with a pocket passer.”
You realize that half of the 4 teams left have a running qb… right?
And the other 2 are the #2 and #3 best qbs of all time.
So… if I were to look at this I would argue that you either have to have a running qb or a hall of famer. And by saying this i would sound stupid.
The reality is this little brother- there are many ways to win in this game…. hall of fame QB would for sure be the easiest route but those are few and far between. Good coaching, a run game and sound D can do wonders. I realize you are pissed that guys like Kap and Wilson get to do subway commercials and our guy isnt yet… this seems to hurt you. You are offended. But just you wait…. his time is coming.
“tomorrow’s game” I’ve seen “tomporrow’s game” and the flavor of the month come and go over and over and over. Always ends the same. With a pocket passer handing off and making throws.
Besides, tomorrow’s game is here right now….a game where every single new rule benefits pocket QBs.
I guarantee you that SF and Sea would be in the exact same position with Foles at the helm….It is their Ds and running games carrying those teams.
SF wins despite Kap.
BUT…
The Eagles would not have been in he same position with Kap at the helm….maybe with Wilson.
Vinnie that’s your opinion just remember the AFC Championship game will be played with two of the top five passers in NFL history and guess what? Both of those guys are closer to 40 then 30. Where is the next wave of pocket passers coming from? The game as we know it is changing, even with all the rules favoring pocket passers.
Stevo you should run for the president of the NAACP , seriously you are a wack job
Can’t say that I even understand your comment Jake. Stevo is a pretty level guy….good fan….knows his football and is usually a pretty calm voice on here. I disagree Jake.
JaKKKe you are a weak, pathetic little man.
What do I see? I see 2 traditional pocket passers, 1 guy trying to be a pocket passer (WIlson – who has stated repeatedly that he wants to be a pocket passer because he knows qbs running is a failed play and can’t win consistently with QBs who play like that…who has stated consistently that he does not like running .oh, and who scrambled a grand total of 3x for 15 yards in last week’s playoff game)
So 3 pocket guys and one scrambler tonight.
Said scrambler is going to stink, stare at one WR then bail, overthrow a ton of guys, but then will hit one 60 yard pass and make one 40 yard run and you’ll all think he is a superstar, ignoring the fact that his crappy play kept the other team in the game the entire time in the first place.
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Yes Vinnie completely ignore the facts and continue to try to make Wilson a pocket passer which he’s not. Where is the next young wave of pocket passers at? The game is changing and you are to stubborn to see it.
Wilson is like young mcnabb – buys time with his legs, runs away from pressure while keeping eyes downfield, runs when he has too…
Kaepernick is like Vick when his first read isn’t there he looks to run, first sign of pressure run, if u pressure him he starts seeing ghosts and runs.
Seahawks win Ez today mostly because kaepernick blows and will be seeing ghosts.
Wilson has no where near the arm strength, speed, nor the size of McNabb. I’d take McNabb all day every day over Wilson. Looking at Wilson over the last month, I think teams are figuring him out. I also think Wilson is trying to hone his pocket skills which are slowing his decision making down right now. I think it benefits him in the long run, as I know Wilson has stated he does not want to be a running QB because he knows he will not be able to survive doing that. At the end of the day, if Kaepernick develops, he has the better upside, oddly enough, I think Kaep was a better passer in terms of accuracy last year..
Handed I’m talking about there running ability and what they do in the pocket that’s it … Not comparing arms here…
I thought you were comparing their overall skills. OK. Who would you prefer between the two though?
Mcnabb and it’s not close. Maybe someday it will be but not today.
Ok, I had a dissertation prepared for you if you said Wilson…LOL.
Wilson had 96 rushes for 539 yards and 1 td this year/
Foles (pro-rated over the season) was on track for 91 rushes for 353 yrds and 4 tds
Who is the runner and who is the pocket passer again?
As Mhenski states, WIlson is always looking to pass first….like a good QB. He has repeatedly stated he thinks a QB running is a failed play and not the way to win in the NFL.
Kap is a one read then take off kind of guy.
Meanwhile he uses his legs every chance he gets, watch the games and stop posting stupid stats.
Wilson doesn’t use his legs very chance he gets. I have the ticket and watched virtually every Seahawks game. Not sports center, not red zone and not just nationally televised games. Wilson always tries to extend the play to pass not take off running.
BTW Biglion, what is with your completely stupid, “where is the next young wave of pocket passers at???” (all snarky style.
Well, ummm, there’s one playing for the team you pretend to like….of course you didn’t notice. He can’t do the “other things” you feel are sooooo important.
No, read my posts dummy I said Foles is probably the best young pocket passer right now ya idiot. Now name me three besides him. And name two that’s coming into the league. Mobile QB’s are the future just sit back and watch.
You stick with your “mobile QBs are the future” thesis and we’ll see how that works out for you.
You hang your hat on Kaep, and Newton, and Manuel, and Johnny football…or whatever other scramblers you want.
Then check back in after the next 10 Sbs are won by Wilson, Foles, Luck, Rodgers and any other number of young qbs who recognize the best way to play football and win consistently is to stand and deliver to their teammates because a QB running is a failed play and should only be used as a last resort.
Wilson, Luck and Rodgers are all mobile or don’t you get that? talking to you and mhenski are like talking to rocks. They extend plays with their legs they can hurt you outside the pocket. You are delusional. How did GB make it into the playoffs? Rodgers escaped the pocket and found Cobb wide open. Geez
Stop making sense.
This convo becomes moot very soon anyway. By 2015 at least half the QBs in the league will be mobile QBs. High Schools and Colleges started putting their best ATHLETES at the position years ago b/c DEs were getting faster and stronger year end and year out.
As they started making rules for Brady you’re gonna start seeing rules for the Wilson’s and Kaep’s of the world. That’s just the way the game is going and the Vinnie’s of the world can keep bitching about it as the world keeps changing.
LOL
I have been hearing that shit for 40 years.
Nothing changes.
How is your crush Newton doing BTW – did you lose your job drying off his pathetic towels?
“Nothing Changes”
Who’s playing in the NFC Championship game again?
By 2015 at least half the QBs in the league will be mobile QBs.
You could be right, but I bet they will all be good passing quarterbacks who can read defenses.
It’s always going to be the quarterbacks primary job to get the ball into the hands of playmakers.
Says Captain obvious I would hope they can pass and read defenses or otherwise they would be Tim Tebow.
or kaepernick
Or Mike Vick….
And both Kap and Vick will be starting NFL QB’s next year. LOL
Yes the ticket works here in Jacksonville as well and you can try to reword anything you like. Russell Wilson is a mobie QB, you two can play sematics all you like whether he scrambles for yards or continues to look for receivers down the field he’s not a pocket QB.
Who is who?
96 rushes for 539 yards and 1 td
91 rushes for 353 yrds and 4 tds
53 rushes for 221 yrds and 0 tds
63 rushes for 377 and 4 tds
Because 3 of them are your ‘mobile’ QBs and one is Foles.
Those are 4 pocket passers…you will see WIlson dropping to the 60 carries a year #, and hopefully Foles too as soon as Kellydrops the running option silliness.
I expect next year all 4 guys in the 60-70 carry a year range.
Pocket passes.
Guarantee there are more SBs in this group than in your favourites Kaep, Newton, vick and any other silly scrambler.
Keep posting meaningless stats, which ones are mobile and which ones are not? like I said you can play semantics all you want. Foles rushing stats are the direct result of the offense he plays in but that doesn’t make him mobile does it? so yea throw the scrambler word in there why don’t you.
Brady is great when there’s protection . But damn if there’s just a little breakdown he is totally useless. He cant get out of a 350lbs DT way.
Would you trade Brady? Listen Brady is HOF great great great but what if? Brady has 3-4 years left IMO. Do you believe in Mallet his backup he isnt getting any younger. Would you call Bill OBrien and tell him give me the 1st pick in the draft and 2nd this year, next year and a 1 the following year. Farver was replaced, Manning was replaced, Montana was replaced. This may be the perfect time. I know its not gonna happen but do you think the Texans would?
Brady looks like Vick when theres no protection. WTF cant he read a blitz? lmao
r u high?
He SUCKS with no protection lol
LOL.
Kap has 15 yards passing and 31 rushing. You know what that is….recipe for:
a) Losing B) QB killed.
Good luck with that strategy.
FAIL
And still, even after watching these pathetic offenses grind to a halt, idiots like Biglion and TS still pine for ‘mobile’ QBs
Because they are the ‘future’
The future
Ya that’s the ticket
Yep I’m sure SF wishes Kap stayed in the pocket on that 58 yard run. I’m sure Seattle wishes Wilson threw that ball away instead if extending that play into a 51 yard pass play.
I’m sure Harbaugh and Carrol are complaining about “mobile” QBs from the sidelines of the the NFC Championship game.
Seahawks QB Wilson looking shaky out of the gate..
Has been late with so a throws, hanging the ball and should of picked by Safety Eric Reid on one toss and about got his TE killed on another lob pass down the middle..
It looks like Manning will take either one of the QB’s from NFC to school
Kaepernick will never be a an nfl.qb until he learns. To stay in the pocket and deliver the pass, he resorts to the run at the pressure
Just be glad we have foles
Jake I’m glad we have Foles too. Now seriously how do you think he’d make out standing in the pocket against either one of these defenses?
he would put up similar numbers to those he put up in the Arizona game.
kaepernick fucking stinks. guy can’t throw at all. love that Wilson can extend plays but my god sometimes it’s too much. but at least he is trying to throw.
Yea because playing against Arizona at home is the same as playing against SF and Seattle. Remind me who did Arizona play in the play offs this year?
lmfao. u don’t like reality so be it.
Reality is Kap probably playing in back to back Super Bowls but yea I know he sucks.
Those mobile QBs suck –
Who were the QBs in the playoffs for the NFC again?
Yeah…
sf won’t win I don’t think.
if they do win punter Andy lee will be playing in back to back bowls too
neat tsjohnsons mommy allowed her to post tonight
Nice to see you still have a dick up your ass.
how’s the weight loss going? get a job yet?
Oh so you don’t just take them up the ass?
You suck on them too.
Teaching your wife all you know I bet.
lol. I’m not gay so this isn’t working I’m pretty secure in my sexuality so this bit isn’t working. but the fact that you are poor, obese and rely on the government to take care of you must make you and those around you proud of your life accomplishment
You responded so it’s “working” just fine.
I’m sure you being a racist, misogynist, ignorant troll makes those around you so proud of your life’s accomplishments.
I don’t know, but.he would not be so amateurish to play like these college clowns, he’d take some sacks but play like a pro
Talk about game managers
These two guys (right now) are both struggling.
Their teams win despite their play.
Foles, playing the way he did, would take either of these teams further with his play.
3 fKap – or 5 for 17 yards? That’s’ a fucking joke. Might as well have any fast guy at QB for that kind of pathetic production.
Seriously, could Leasen McCoy do any worse at QB??????
Kap is not an NFL QB, he’s no different that MIA running the wildcat a couple years back,
The Niners don’t share your sentiments.
Yep that Kap sucks what a game manager.
he does threw it right earl Thomas who poorly misplayed the ball.
miracle fumble recovery followed by miracle dt throw.
td.
Like that miracle recovery for a TD by Luck against KC right? That’s the way the ball bounces.
Mhenski kinda like when Foles threw it up in Greenbay and Djax got the lucky bounce huh. Lol
yea that play was a total miracle and very ugly.
Biglion all the black QBs suck. Lol. No more Vick now onto the next black QB playing by these hillbillies.
No Dag all mobile QB’s suck.
kaepernicks not black u donkey.
Um…
Both Wilson and Kaep have black daddies.
They are black enough.
Yes kaepernick is black, just like Wilson, just like James Franklin new head coach of Penn State just in case there was any misconception.
Is that more redneck hillbilly slang? You donkey? Thats not what you really want to say is it hillbilly.
learn something new every day. didn’t know who his daddy was. thank your mommy for me for allowing you to post tonight.
Well you are an ignorant fuck.
I’m glad I could help you with some of that.
We’ve already established you don’t know shit snout shit…so no surprise you didn’t know that too.
with that subject was ignorant for sure but not in general I like learning new things and keeping an open mind.
don’t know what shit snout is but that’s awesome you do. maybe instead of finding out who people’s daddies are and studying shit snout you could work out and lose some of your fat rolls and maybe find a job too. worthless welfare leach.
Nice to meet you too worthless Internet Troll – a scared little limp dick bitch of man who talks big online but bitches up real quick when someone calls himm out.
“Wah, Wah”
Keep whining…
Game stinks
Stop watching and go back to bed to your Foles blow up doll
This made me laugh.
It would be wrong to treat Foles Fanboys as they treated the (alleged) Vick Fangirls…but it’s tempting. Oh so tempting. lol
kaepernick fumbles again. he blows
Foles is the eagles qb dag, better than these clowns, especially kap, what a joke
But they are not my bitches
This game is being poorly officiated!
That’s Karma. Seahawks should of never had the ball. Clearly Navarro Bowman recovered that fumble.
Kap or Wilson may end up winning the Super Bowl this Year but I do not think they are “Championship Level QB”
The play on great Teams, great Degenses & good Coach’s
Anybody who thinks we are watching good qb play has no idea what a qb is suppossed to do to win games … Wow
biglion must be typing an essay about how good kaepernick is … or maybe he put on his glasses? either way kaepernick can’t throw.
No henski I’m watching a guy trying to get his team to the Super Bowl but not for a GREAT play by Richard Sherman would have done it.
haaaa. yea ok. or if he didn’t fumble or throw that other pic or if he could throw. he blows.
Yep he blows, the Niners or most of the NFL disagrees with you. He’ll lose his job next training camp to Colt McCoy.
I’m used to people disagreeing with me. eagle nation disagreed when I pleaded for them to understand kolb was awful – he played just like kaepernick minus legs. most in the nfl disagreed with me clowning on tebow too.
it’s cool. I’m just glad kaepernick isn’t an eagle and isn’t going to get 100+ million here.
Except Mhenski the Niners will be rightt back contending again with Kap so I think he’ll be just fine. He drove that team down the field at the end and Sherman made a great play. He doesn’t suck and heck no I wouldn’t trade him for Foles if thet threw in a draft pick. Don’t be narrow minded and think there is only one way to win in the NFL. I think this game just showcased that.
lion if kaepernick could throw , play consistent qb and make plays with his arm I’d admit it. I could care less if he was good or bad. I’m just calling spades spades.
IMO if u take that niner front 7 away and replace them with any other front 7 (except Seattle and Arizona ) he is a 6 win qb at best.
time will tell.