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Thoughts On Michael Carter-Williams/K.J. McDaniels Trades

mcwpistonsIt seemed as though the NBA trade deadline was going to pass by without much going down.

The 76ers made a move earlier in the day to acquire a first-round pick in exchange for taking JaVale McGee off of the Denver Nuggets’ hands, at around 2:45 with the deadline only 15 minutes away, it appeared that would be where the dealing would end for Sam Hinkie and company.

But Sam had something major up his sleeve.

Hinkie dealt away two of the team’s best players, sending reigning rookie of the year Michael Carter-Williams to the Milwaukee Bucks as part of a three-team deal, and shipping K.J. McDaniels out to the Houston Rockets.

The moves have understandably caused a great deal of confusion and frustration among many of the Sixer faithful. Carter-Williams and McDaniels seemed like they could be two valuable building blocks for the future of the team. On the surface, the moves appear to be ones that will set the Sixers back even futher. Even Joel Embiid doesn’t understand what’s going on. 

However, I believe that Hinkie did make the correct moves here that were in the best interest of the team’s future. Here’s my take on each of the deals.

On K.J. McDaniels Trade To Houston

K.J. McDaniels had become very popular during his rookie season.

McDaniels wowed us all with his athleticism and highlight reel plays. He had shown a great deal of raw ability, and there certainly seemed like there was potential for him to grow into something more.

However, McDaniels was shipped away for a pretty bare-bones return. The Sixers only received guard Isiah Cannan and a second-round pick. Cannan becomes the team’s new starting point guard by default, and had a handful of starts for Houston earlier in the year when Patrick Beverly was injured. However, Cannan didn’t flash a great deal of potential, and isn’t anything more than a reserve.

So why would the Sixers make such a move?

The problem here was that McDaniels didn’t want to be a part of this team’s future. He only signed a one-year deal, and would have been a free-agent this summer. He wanted to play for a winner, and didn’t want to wait for the Sixers’ rebuild to complete.

Hinkie most likely felt that K.J. would have been difficult to re-sign, or at the very least would have been too expensive and risky to commit to for the long-term. So rather than have McDaniels stick around for the rest of the year and help the Sixers accumulate additional wins that would hurt their draft status, Hinkie opted to get would he could for the former second-round pick and put the team in a better position to lose more games this year.

On Michael Carter-Williams To Milwaukee

Michael Carter-Williams’ Sixer career ended just as quickly as it began.

After winning the rookie of the year award in 2013-14, it was widely assumed that MCW was a key part of the Sixers’ future. And the idea that the team would deal him away so quickly is shocking to some.

However, when you look at the situation closely, it really isn’t such a shock.

First, we’ve known for some time now that the Sixers were far from sold on Carter-Williams as a true building block. They tried to trade him last summer during the NBA draft, and there were reports throughout the season that he was still being shopped around. The writing on the wall was there the whole time.

While an unpopular move, this was the right thing for Hinkie to do.

What Hinkie did was sell Carter-Williams while his value was at its peak. MCW’s shooting efficiency was not what it needed to be, and it eventually would have become more and more exposed overtime, dragging his value down further. The Sixers had an opportunity to pick up another first-round pick, while making the current team worse (in order to complete the tanking mission) and pulled the trigger on the move.

Final Thoughts

I understand that these moves are unpopular, but Sixers fans have to look at the big picture.

The Sixers get worse in the short-term. With Carter-William and McDaniels no longer on the roster, the team just got significantly worse. They have no capable point guard on the roster, which will really create problems for them. However, this is a good thing for this year. It’s critical for them to have the best draft pick possible this summer.

Look at the what the Sixers have to work with in the coming years.

They’ve got quality pieces in Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Robert Covington, Tony Wroten, and Jerami Grant on the roster. They’ve got Dario Saric coming over from Europe in the next year or two.

They’re going to have a top-five pick in this year’s draft. They could potentially have three more picks in the first round, which gives them immense flexibility to control the draft and move up as they please to get who they want.

They’ve got all the cap room they need to acquire key free agents when the time is right.

It’s easy to criticize. It’s easy to complain. But to do so is shortsighted and foolish.

If you want a real hopeless case of a franchise where nothing gets done and chaos and incompetence reigns supreme, look at the Philadelphia Phillies who have already been a bad team for three years and have made absolutely no progress in rebuilding or recovering.

That’s not the case for the Sixers. Assets have been gathered, both in young talent and future picks. The right guy is in place as head coach. The front office is organized, united, and focused. Unlike some franchises in this town, they’re not afraid to do something bold or unpopular just to appease the masses.

The future is very bright for this franchise.

 

 

Denny Basens

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IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 19, 2015 11:12 pm

Good outlook on the approach Denny. This draft is the key draft. Rich Hoffman was saying this makes Embiid the key to everything. They are building from the inside out and although I like him long term MCW didn’t fit. However what they got in return for him was plenty.

andrew p
andrew p
February 20, 2015 12:17 am

They say after the first five picks of this coming draft theirs nothing there, so we get one shot at someone that could be a core piece and we do what with the rest? Ship them overseas? Trade the picks for future picks? How many times do u keep kicking the can down the road? I don’t care about all those other guys without a PG, not having a PG is like not having a franchise QB, it doesn’t work, MCW was more than capable and was still learning n let’s not forget he’s only 20, I think Jason Kidd is gonna bring out things in him we never knew he had.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 12:54 am
Reply to  andrew p

Maybe at guard but this is a deep draft…loaded on the wing and at the 4.

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 3:53 am
Reply to  andrew p

Mcw was 24 mundiay is only 18 with a better skill set

pdiddy
pdiddy
February 20, 2015 9:00 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Dante exum that’s all I’m saying

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 9:11 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

Exum is a WAAAAAAAAAYS away and can’t shoot either.

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 9:15 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

he looks so scared on the court he needs a lot more time……NOEL on Tripled double watch one rebound and one block away…….but he still sucks…..like I said the mold of joakim noah but more athletic

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 4:37 am

Im not mad they traded mcw just thought we could get more for him

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 4:52 am

The guard we picked up from houston dont sleep on him the guy can score he will put up good scoring numbers

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2015 6:31 am

So let me get this straight… The sixers had two lottery picks in 2013 and 14, probably two this year plus other first round picks and will probably still end up in the lottery in 2016…. I thought lottery picks was suppossed to get you out of the lottery?
When are they allowed to win? Are we waiting to see which college player blows out a knee before the draft… I understand what they are doing but come on…get a player

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 6:37 am
Reply to  haveacigar

If you understood what they were doing you wouldn’t be posting that nonsense.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2015 6:44 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Question…. At what point are you obligated to try to win?
When I say I understand it I mean I see what they are doing but when do you try to win? Are you ok with another lottery three year euro stash? Another rehabbing player? Another 20 win season? At some point….
So it’s I sense to try to win? Wow

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 6:54 am
Reply to  haveacigar

They are developing talent and the team plays hard and they are in position to get even better talent…merely look up the road at the N.Y. Knicks and it’s even more apparent what they are doing.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2015 7:03 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

But for how many years?
As for the ‘team’ playing hard, I believe there have been over 40 team members is the last two years. Isn’t there something to be said for cohesion and being an actual team… Who exactly played hard? MCW? Yes he did but he isn’t on the team anymore

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 7:19 am
Reply to  haveacigar

It’s obvious you don’t watch the team. Sorry bruh if you’re going to talk basketball talk basketball. If you’re are going to take the curmudgeon stance of “in my day this isn’t how you build a team…” blah blah blah there’s no point.

I know you don’t watch the team bit I will fill you in.

1.This regime has been in place only 2 years.
2. They had only one true asset Jrue Holiday.
3. Future of the next two years of drafts were leveraged by previous regimes mortgaging the future.
4. Year 1 they hauled in 2 prospects in Noel/MCW and fit an additional first round pick.
5. Year 2 missed on Wiggins…got possibly best player in that draft in Embiid, best Euro in Saric, got back 1st and fit their rights back to their pick traded away to Heat(Harkless or Moultrie I believe). Do not let that last part go by you. A top 5 to 10 pick gone for nothing

In that short time span for a team that had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING before the 2013 season that plan can not be knocked.

Jury is out on the layers they actually pick…But they actually getting a chance at the top talent. It’s that simple.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2015 7:34 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Not a curmudgeon …I know they were in nba hell (which is where most teams live) . As I’ve told you before it is counter intuitive to think a league that is predicated on a team essentially not trying to win for four or five years is even viable…I think it’s disgusting to not try to win.
As for watching… I was watching a bit more because they were actually competing in games lately, I thought I was watching g the developing team..pops I was wrong.
So next year four number ones and five number twos… That’s nine new players …

pdiddy
pdiddy
February 20, 2015 9:01 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Agree

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 6:43 am

Listening to trade recap this morning….Sheridan and another guy mention that what the Sixers are doing could out them in contention for a star who needs a change of scenery like a DeMarcus Cousins…

I would go nuts if we got Boogie he would fit this team and this town perfectly.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2015 6:47 am

I just saw a scroll on ESPN that said Okafur is in an ankle boot…. Looks like he is preparing for a career with the sixers

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 7:05 am

KJ McDaniels went to a contender, but I don’t see him getting huge minutes in Houston. I could see him in small ball lineups.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 7:23 am

The faux outrage on Hinkie only shows people haven’t being watching this team for years and are only talking to talk.

King/Stefanksi make Hinkie look like Red Auerbach

jakedog
jakedog
February 20, 2015 8:03 am

That’s right izell, shame on all you fools for not watching , following losers,

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 7:14 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Jakedog, you don’t have to watch or follow…that’s your right. But those same people are trying to comment on something they aren’t following or have a clue about is absolutely ridiculous.

paulman
paulman
February 20, 2015 9:57 am

Great, wake me up when the 76ers Are Relevant Again, Hell, I’ll probably be on my Death Bed… I hate the NBA and everything it has become under David Stern & the Super Stars who ruined the Sport… I do admit that I like what I hear from New Commissioner Silver who has some good Ideas moving forward and may be able to help save the Sport…

mhenski
mhenski
February 20, 2015 12:06 pm

NBA news that effects sixers

Chris Bosh has reportedly been diagnosed with a blood clot on his lung, and he will likely miss the remainder of the 2014-15 season.
While no official timetable has been released, due to the nature of the blood-thinner medication and the toll such a condition takes on the body, it seems very likely Bosh will miss the remainder of the season. A similar ailment took down Mirza Teletovic for the year earlier in the season, and our best wishes go out to Bosh and his family. Without Bosh, Dwyane Wade, Luol Deng, and newly acquired Goran Dragic are going to be asked to fill the void on offense, and all those guys are due for a boost in value. Udonis Haslem could also become the starting power forward for the Heat, but his upside is limited.
Source: Miami Herald
Feb 20 – 11:13 AM

SIXERS PICK FROM THEM JUST GOT A LITTLE BETTER

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 7:15 pm
Reply to  mhenski

They are going to shutdown DWade next. Let’s hope it’s not drastic and they go Whiteside as well.

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 7:30 pm

Dam izell Noel got 5 blocks in 1st qt

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 7:50 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Tied his season high already. Cov is struggling tonight. He will struggle the most with MCW gone.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 7:51 pm

I need more from Grant as well.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 8:00 pm

Z check out Brett Brown warming up Joel on the Sixers page…pretty agile for a 300lbr lol

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 9:15 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

I saw it he is pretty light on his feet lol

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 9:32 pm

Hey izell I need a better comparison for Noel cuz even noah can’t compare to this guy…..I mean seriously he is constantly controlling the boards and his blocking ability is crazy……the hate on noel is just uncalled for and 4 steals tonite also….all over the floor

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 10:11 pm
Reply to  zilents44

He’s a Chandler Noah mix right now. His next level is being able to work 12ft in offensively.

Kid can play say otherwise your a dumbass.

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 10:24 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

aite I like that but shit when is the last time you saw chandler even take a jumper

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 20, 2015 10:19 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Offensively I like that baby hook he has and his jumper doesn’t look atrocious his form looks good so there’s something to build on.

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 9:33 pm

12…..9 rebs…..9 blocks….4 steals….thats pretty good

zilents44
zilents44
February 20, 2015 10:25 pm

Lol why does jakaar think he is jordan now……he trys these jordanesque moves all the time did you see him

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 1:48 am
Reply to  zilents44

I saw when tried throw the jammy down on Hibbert n in the 2nd lol

He might be the second ugliest player ever to be a sixer.

daggolden
daggolden
February 21, 2015 6:07 am

Noel should strive to be Noah. A high energy, defensive shot blocking rebounding machine, There is nothing wrong with that.. Anything he would add to the offense is a bonus.

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 7:42 am
Reply to  daggolden

I think his defense is already better then noah he will only get better offensively

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 8:48 am

To you supporters of the rebuild of the rebuild, the additional tanking years…an honest question here..what year is acceptable for the rebuild of the rebuild of the rebuild sixers to compete for let’s say the eastern conference championship? Nba championship?

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 9:35 am
Reply to  haveacigar

When you get a superstar and emblid has the best chance so ill say 2017 we will be a top 3 team in east

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 10:39 am
Reply to  zilents44

I thought you get superstars in the lottery? And god knows they own the lottery!

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 10:48 am
Reply to  haveacigar

What is your point hac i answered your question emblid is the answer what else do u want either understand the process or realize basketball has passed by you

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 11:05 am
Reply to  zilents44

so you are saying embiid plus an outside superstar? basketball passed me by? simply because I think 3-5 years of tanking is a travesty? ok then its passed me by– all people following the team and even the team itself acknowledge that this rebuild of the rebuild or maybe tank of the tank has added yet another year to them being relevant…

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 11:19 am
Reply to  haveacigar

If we get in top 5 which we should we will get mundiay or russell and both have supetstar potential so 2017 like i said passed you by

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 11:22 am
Reply to  zilents44

It has only been two years of tanking you been bitching since last year so obviously you cant even take two years of tanking

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 11:23 am
Reply to  zilents44

so two springs from now? i guess that would be acceptable- i just worry that there will be more excuses, more ‘patience’, more ‘we have to build this big’– i get it, sustained winning in the NBA is very tough– obviously the best model is the spurs- we shall see.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 11:26 am
Reply to  zilents44

next year is a tank as well- some of the conditional picks won’t be excercised this year so probably another year or two of tanking.. so it will end up somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-5 years– i believe this is the third year in a row their own pick is (their record) is a low first rounder–so really when the ‘tank’ began before it was acknowledged by the club– i guess they brought in hinkie to officially announce it

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 11:40 am
Reply to  zilents44

Dude hac if im wrong shit then they didnt do a good job

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 11:52 am
Reply to  zilents44

i’m not trying to be difficult- you have to do this in the nba i think and thats an awful thing– there should be maybe 22-25 teams- the talent pool this soooo watered down! get rid of some teams!
i contend that is a big rip off to have so many terrible teams, tanking etc– my god look at knicks it is criminal

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2015 12:07 pm
Reply to  zilents44

This is why I lost interest in the NBA & NHL for they both have 4-6 too many Teams in their Leagues with their expansions over the recent Years and both Sports also have too long of Seasons

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 2:42 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Wrong their pick of MCW at 11 is actually the epitome of being mediocre and throwing a mediocre team on the court.

Again you need to do more research HAC instead of generalities. Leave the half assed research to Paulman and Cliff.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:48 pm
Reply to  zilents44

isn’t 11 in the ‘lottery’?

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 12:07 pm

It is what it is just not enough talent

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 12:13 pm

Kobe Bryant blames AAU basketball for not enough talent in the NBA– He believes if youth basketball in America was run like it is in Europe the NBA would be 100% better–I say when he retires he becomes president of USA youth basketball– totally rip up the AAU system, he would have the star power to pull it off–

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 12:28 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Now that actually makes sense aau has been lazy with these players

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 12:31 pm
Reply to  zilents44

chalk one up for the old guy!
i worked a hoops camp about 20 years ago for a guy named Mike Brey who is now HC at Notre Dame– I remember him talking about it then- He hated recruiting AAU players and still does.

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2015 1:10 pm

Add in When Star Basketball Players like Allen Iverson say ” Screw Practice”
15-20 Years ago, then an entire generation under him lose a little of that competitiveness and that work ethic to self improve their individual along with Team games..
And chumps like AI were glorified for their anti-stance on practice, teamwork, coach ability and authority in general…

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 1:15 pm
Reply to  paulman

a product of the aau system!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 2:39 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

That’s code for “these young niggas ruined basketball”…AAU hasn’t killed basketball. That’s nonsense

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:44 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Kobe said it not me… i guess he’s a middle age ‘nigga’– dunno, ask him–
point is AAu has been a money grab and the teaching of fundamentals has been lacking, again kobe said it not me.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:46 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

by the way middle class white little league is not without its sins of lack of quality in teaching and principals!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:46 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

principles–not principals– for the spelling and usage police.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 2:53 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

No but hiding behind Kobe with vague generalities when your not tied into the game nor follow…is again pure NONSENSE

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:56 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

actually i coached the game for 16 years- i do follow it and i posted his vague generalities down below and will post some more if you’d like

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:02 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

And? I have coached both in high school and AAU….best kid I ever had went to Villanova, had a tourney should have left after his first year, was fundamentally sound and cost himself millions.

Know what fuck you’re talking about TOAST.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 2:57 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Kobe…son of basketball player who grew up middle class or better and access to tools that kids without AAU would never have.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 3:05 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

THATS THE POINT! dump AAU and have a good sound development program for all kids!
yeah as for your player..’woulda, shoulda, coulda’–
AAU is a travesty– college coaches hate it, a top five player of all time speaks about how shitty it is but toast likes it…ok

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:11 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Really? How is Coach K doing with 8 scholarship players and four of them top AAU stars….

Lmao quit while your ahead. Go do some damn research.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:20 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Great AAU programs do exactly that. Elite AAU programs are top notch.

The bad ones are out there but no different anything else.

No different than Catholic schools funneling kids out of the city and giving free rides etc…

Again that’s why I take offense to the AAU criticism, it’s a lazy ass indictment by those not tied in.

Sorry but Kobe is king elitist. He’s not tied in at all.

mhenski
mhenski
February 21, 2015 1:26 pm

izzel thanks for pointing out the embiid video, exciting shit. its been years since there has been some 76ers porn

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 1:43 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Lol funny

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 2:51 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Embiid is a better player than and athlete than Okafor…..his injury will be the decider

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:54 pm

Toast– here ya go that f.ing racist Kobe–
“AAU basketball,” Bryant said. “Horrible, terrible AAU basketball. It’s stupid. It doesn’t teach our kids how to play the game at all so you wind up having players that are big and they bring it up and they do all this fancy crap and they don’t know how to post. They don’t know the fundamentals of the game. It’s stupid.”

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 2:58 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Again and?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:58 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

too vague for ya? struggling with kobe’s use of the english language?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:07 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Know I’m struggling with a guy with no knowledge and doesn’t follow the sport has this deep insight on it.

Using AAU is the laziest easiest attack ever.

If your were knowledgeable you would know the 10 best players in the NBA…all AAU stars…

The next 10 all AAU stars.

The most talented player in the NBA. A one and done AAU player.

If you were knowledgeable you would know the biggest problem right now are these charter schools that basically shams and do NOTHING for players etc and fold quickly.

But again TOAST….tell me how much you got this AAU thing all figured out.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 3:12 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

actually i know the sport much better than you think-
yes the top usa players all played aau- theyd all be better having been in a development program and not the money grab aau- as for the sham charter schools, i 100% agree with you on that– i may be wrong but always considered that an EXTENSION of the aau scam–
they are both scams- i agree 100% on that and should have mentioned the charters absolutely.
i believe there should be development schools and that usa basketball should support them as an outreach in every city, with real coaching, no shoe deals- coaches trained by real coaches etc…no aau hustlers etc.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:15 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

That is no different than boosters controlling kids in the 80s 90s…..that’s why pointing to AAU is nonsense.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:17 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

And spare me the fucking coaching indignation…who are nothing but professional Hustlers as well…who funnel kids to shoe companies boosters etc.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:58 pm

more vague generalities from bryant that the racist hac is hiding behind… incredibly vague
“Teach players the game at an early age and stop treating them like cash cows for everyone to profit off of,” he said. “That’s how you do that. You have to teach them the game. Give them instruction.”

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 2:58 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Again and?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 2:59 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

and that racist kobe is saying ‘niggas’ destroying the game- FU! racist? huh–why is it that speaking the truth is racist!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:03 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Kobe actually follows the game and has knowledge….you on the other hand….

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 3:06 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

but you know more than kobe apparently because you disagree with his point and call me racist because i agree with him and have for over 20 years?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 3:07 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

i guess he’s just upset that ‘nigga’ be destroying the league– but since he has knowledge???

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:09 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Guess what they also said skipping college for the NBA is terrible too. How did that work out for Kobe?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 3:02 pm

the reason the nba is a bullshit league is that usa is not providing enough good players- thats where this conversation started- its the reason 30 teams can;t fill a 12 man roster with quality players- take aau out of it… lets say youth development in the usa is lacking- we have millions of good athletes that WANT to be pro hoops players but we have ZERO development of those kids!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:33 pm

And HAC I will apologize for attacking but I just hate that thought process about the game today. AAU is a lazy code front used by many to portray the sentiment I stated.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 3:47 pm

Aau is necessary evil for college coaches. It is a shame because as a general rule it is not a good program .
I never coached Aau but coached hs for years and had players who played Aau as well. It was usually shady. The only college coach I know is mike brey and he hates it; that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have AAU players he knows he is in bed with dogs and those dogs have fleas
I love hoops but think it can be 100% better than what it is

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 3:54 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

We can both agree on that.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 5:09 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

AAU though HAC is no different en farm schools coaches used to have that funneled players directly to colleges.

The stories I heard from guys during that time are just as bad if not worse than what I hear now.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 5:18 pm

And HAC the guy most of us covet is Mudiay and he’s victim número uno of shady charter schools.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2015 10:07 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

The Neon Deion Charter School of Dallas.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 22, 2015 11:27 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Yup Prime U cost him his eligibility, these charter schools are HORRENDOUS(from a sports perspective) kids basically going to school just to play in the sorts season with manufactured grades.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 22, 2015 1:34 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Izell we are partnered with a prep program here Glove Prep it’s just starting to get rolling, we deal with the fallout from AAU programs and the absolute horrible biased High School coaches here in Jacksonville, it’s terrible what some of these kids deal with just to play basketball.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 22, 2015 1:50 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

hac would just like to add- i got ripped by one or two people on here for my justified criticism of AAU programs/coaching– I would be remiss if i didn’t add that yes HS, college coaches are in bed with these scum in many instances–
we had a small christian (used loosely) school here in delaware that was so corrupt in its football recruiting that it eventually went under–
my point in this whole post was that with the incredible athleticism that we have in this country, with the right youth development programs we could have even better sports- baseball and basketball for sure– soccer is really trying to copy some international models-
think about a guy like allen iverson with his talent being developed in euro– with that coaching– OMG–

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 22, 2015 2:02 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Big what people failed to realize is that AAU developed from the ridiculous grip coaches from High School to Juco had on local player areas.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 22, 2015 2:16 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

well toast it also should be noted that using college/juco as a minor league is ridiculous- the ncaa is very dirty in this equation. none of it really helps the kid–except for the exceptional player that even the corrupt system can’t fuck up… i mean my wife could have coached lebron and he’d have been great!– but think of that next level of player, he can make highlights, can dunk, has exceptional athletic ability but needs the fundamentals—
i gott into an argument one time with an AI fan when i said with discipline and coaching AI could have been 10 times better than isiah thomas– the guy was offended, saying “AI was better” — I laughed at that notion– IT was a shitload better- not as spectacular, not with the highlights– but at the same size was soooo much better, a winner and complete player– AI has a highlight reel that is better except for those pics of IT holding the trophy!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 22, 2015 3:20 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

As soon as you start that toast shit I instantly go into barbershop talk shit mode lol….lets keep the dialog healthy…lmao

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 22, 2015 3:55 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

toast is said affectionaltely! i liked number 27 izzell jenkins! buddy liked him so i liked him! but he fairly or unfairly got the nickname toast! — when i call you toast i am not busting your balls- and if you are the real izzell i’d ask to meet and buy you a beer!
I’m pretty sure Izzel was 27…. god damn good memories!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 22, 2015 3:59 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Actually I picked the name Izzell Jenkins in reference to the heartache of being an Eagles fan…when I ember him he always was getting beat…we used to call him Jackass Jenkins…

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 22, 2015 4:02 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

he was number 46 i think– yeah well he had some decent years! and his knickname was in fact TOAST!
if you are going to be izel– then you need to own it all!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 21, 2015 5:22 pm

HAC-concerning the Sixers rebuild strategy this is a synopsis I agree with…although I like MCW more than the writer does…but I agree with his general sentiment.

Philadelphia 76ers
This was simply Business 101 for the Philadelphia 76ers. The 76ers took Michael Carter-Williams, the 11th pick in a weak 2013 NBA draft, boosted his trade value by playing at an outrageous pace and letting him play through mistakes, then flipped him for a likely high lottery pick in a potentially stronger 2015 draft. Carter-Williams could be a fine player one day, but his numbers are mostly hollow. His minus-1.64 real plus-minus ranks 50th among point guards. Not in the entire NBA. Fiftieth at his position.

So Sam Hinkie somehow parlayed Carter-Williams into one of the most golden assets in the league, the Lakers’ top-five protected 2015 first-rounder via Phoenix. According to ESPN’s BPI model, the most likely pick slot that the Lakers generate this season is the sixth pick (17.2 percent chance), in which case the Sixers get it. On top of their own pick. If the Sixers don’t get it this season, it moves to the 2016 draft where it is a top-three protected pick. That’s a heist for one of the least impactful point guards in the league.

Trading freak athlete K.J. McDaniels to Houston for Isaiah Canaan and a second-rounder puts a dent in their strong day, but getting that Lakers pick and another first-rounder for taking JaVale McGee’s contract (more on this later) trumps that McDaniels blemish easily. Especially if they had no intention of matching McDaniels’ salary when he becomes a coveted restricted free agent this summer.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 6:14 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Lol… I know, I’m old… Sitting in a gym and watching a player is not good enough. I heard Hinkie talk about mcdaniels was the 32 pick and they got back Canaan who was a 33 and they also get another 36 or something… I’m like holy shit can we just play some fucking ball…

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 22, 2015 1:54 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

do you think hinkie has ever sat in a small gym with 12 people in it and the shoes are just squeeking all over the floor? 10 kids busting ass, dripping sweat ? playing thru bogus fouls… no clock, no score keeper, no stat guys? i’m being convinced in the whole metrics thing but at some point a shirt/skin game can tell you something!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 22, 2015 3:26 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Thats the misnomer on Hinkie…hes a gym rat lol. He was a PG coming up. Hes always been around basketball but he found a new avenue into it.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2015 5:22 pm

Yeah I agree.. I think we just have different ways of saying it… Development in the USA is really not good… Imagine what our players would look like without a corrupt system that includes the charters, AAU and colleges…they all have wink wink deals

zilents44
zilents44
February 21, 2015 5:36 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Seems like its all about money and screw the kids

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 22, 2015 9:10 pm

Nic Vucevic… My boy… Haunting my dreams… Solidifying why this rebuild and approach is necessary.

zilents44
zilents44
February 22, 2015 9:49 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

He destroyed us tonite faried is no where near as gifted vucevic offensively but jakaar sure did have a nice little run in the 4th this guy is making me believe in him

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 22, 2015 11:11 pm

If Peyton becomes a good PG Vucevic game will be even better…

Vucevic is the symbol of why this team had to do what it did.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2015 12:07 pm

***Sixers News***

According to my source, the Sixers we’re trying to trade injured center Joel Embiid on trade deadline day but a deal for MCW became available that they could not pass on

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 12:37 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

I thought he was the center piece of the tank/rebuild? this thing is nothing but a joke!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 12:55 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

probasketball talk.com I’m assuming is ‘your;’ source as its where I found the article.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 24, 2015 1:29 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Exactly HAC…source is shitty article on ProbasketballTalk where they couldn’t even get the Sixers record last year right….but its a viable NBA source lol.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 2:03 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

sixers record— just guess a number somewhere between 15-20 for the foreseeable future… hinkie refuses to put a timeline on competitiveness- I believe in a rebuild, I can take A TANK-but this is ridiculous. the longer you keep rebuilding the longer you have before you are held accountable– ‘boss, we were moving forward with MCW but if we get the lakers 8-15 pick in 16 we can take a couple of years to develop that player, by then saric will be here, embiid will be healthy and LEARNING THE GAME- …..nah, gotta TRY to win…

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2015 3:02 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

False, probasketballtalk.com is not my source genius

HaveAseat

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 3:13 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Then ‘my source’ had the same article

zilents44
zilents44
February 24, 2015 4:23 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Hac if that was true then forget the tank stuff thats crazy

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 4:39 pm
Reply to  zilents44

If what’s true?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 24, 2015 5:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Lol thats the only source spewing that nonsense HAC.

pdiddy
pdiddy
February 24, 2015 4:41 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Jh that would have been fucked up, Heinke is losing his mind

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2015 4:53 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

Yea diddy its 100% accurate. They were trying to trade him

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 24, 2015 5:22 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

I think it said they listened to offers… That’s a bit different.
But point is they don’t want to win, they don’t want to be held accountable

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 24, 2015 5:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Not one reputable source/insider is reporting this and the original article is from Forbes.com and it was a clickbait article.

Sorry Jon Hart but you are reaching here.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2015 4:54 pm

***More Sixers News***

Hearing that the Sixers are on the verge of claiming PF Thomas Robinson off waivers

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2015 5:07 pm

Now I’m being told that Robinson is a 76er. They placed a claim on Robinson and by 5pm eastern he’ll be a sixer so hes a sixer

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2015 5:09 pm

Tim Frazier was released to make room for Robinson

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
February 24, 2015 5:40 pm

Also keep an eye out on Karl Towns….what I am seeing from Towns I like immensely and he has shooting range.

Okafor is starting to slip a little. Either way another big vying for the no.1 spot helps with getting Russel/Mudiay.

mhenski
mhenski
February 24, 2015 7:18 pm

Jon hart killing it with his sources – ON FIRE JON

The 76ers reportedly plan on claiming Thomas Robinson off of waivers.
If this does not come to fruition Robinson will accept the 10-day deal he has in place with the Nets, but this is a very interesting development. Robinson’s value would be much greater on a tanking Sixers team, and he could potentially slide into the starting lineup at the center spot if he does land in Philly. The deadline to put in a waiver claim on Robinson is at 5PM ET Tuesday, and we’ll be monitoring this situation closely.
Related: 76ers
Source: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter Feb 24 – 4:33 PM