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Tim Tebow Will Add Something To Chip Kelly’s Offense

TimTebow3Let’s try to make some sense of Chip Kelly’s thinking in the signing of former Heisman Trophy winner.Tim Tebow.  We already know that Kelly doesn’t have a problem with bringing the circus to town.  This team is going to be in the spotlight even more with Tebow around.

First of all from a football aspect, before Kelly signed Tebow, he didn’t have one running quarterback amongst the group that has a chance of making the football team.  His running offense was designed to put the defense in a situation, where it didn’t have enough defensive players on the field to stop his attack.  The read option is much more effective when you have a quarterback who is a threat as a runner.  When the quarterback gets on the perimeter with the ball in his hands, his has to be a run threat or it lessens the effectiveness of the attack.

Kelly says being able to run is not a prerequisite for being a quarterback in his offense, but having a running quarterback adds another dimension to the offense.  Yes, it’s not a must but it’s something that he would like to have in his arsenal.

That’s why Kelly would love to get his hands on Marcus Mariota, but I don’t think that’s possible.  Y0u know Chip Kelly hurts when he sees Seattle Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson execute the read option and take off on those 40-yard scampers where he runs downfield untouched.  You know he would like to see a quarterback in an Eagles uniform doing the same thing, but other than Tebow, the Birds don’t have a quarterback who can run.

The starting quarterback Sam Bradford can’t run.  He’s missed the majority of his team’s games. in the last two seasons due to two ACL surgeries, so the last thing they want to do is ask him to run with the football and put him in a situation where he can get hit.

The second-team quarterback Mark Sanchez isn’t much of a runner, either.  When and if Sanchez plays, it will likely be because Bradford has gotten injured.  Kelly and his staff will do everything they can to keep Sanchez healthy, so asking him to run is the last thing they will ask him to do.

Last year’s third string quarterback Matt Barkley, can’t run either.  He’ll be competing with Tebow for that third quarterback spot.  Kelly doesn’t seem to have much confidence in Barkley’s ability to execute the offense.  I think Barkley best chance to make it in the NFL is in the West Coast offense.  In the West Coast offense you need to be a quick decision-maker and you must have an accurate arm.

Tebow hasn’t proven he can operate a passing offense in the National Football League, but he has proven he can run with the football.  Not only can he run with the football, but he would be an ideal quarterback in Chip Kelly’s short yardage and goal line attack.  He’s big and physical, which would be perfect for the short yardage and goal line power football running attack.

I don’t think Kelly feels Barkley can do the job for him at the quarterback position, so adding Tebow instead of him isn’t a loss.

He is by far the only quarterback on the Eagles roster, who adds that running quarterback aspect to the offense.  Opposing defenses will have to spend quality time preparing for Tebow being used as the quarterback at times during the game.  His threat to run with the football will force defensive coordinators to prepare for him.  Without Tebow on the roster, opposing team dare the Eagles quarterbacks to run with the football.  It’s the reason I think he’ll be on the football team in September.

Tebow’s ability or inability to operate the Birds passing attack is still a question mark at this point.  He’s been working on his throwing motion and his release for more than a year now.  During the off-season Eagles mini-camps, we’ll get the chance to see if Tebow has fixed his passing techniques.

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gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 11:25 am

If the eagles can’t land mariota then thru should trade out of the 1st Rd and aquire as many picks as possible. And trade Bradford for 2,3,5 Rd picks and either start a tebow,sanchez or a rookie.

mhenski
mhenski
April 20, 2015 11:41 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

lmfao

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 12:03 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

“trade Bradford for 2,3,5 Rd picks”

LOL

To who? The magical “we love to throw away picks” team that’s out there?

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 20, 2015 12:06 pm

Gloomy makes Paul look sensible…

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 12:55 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Wow so Bradford is worth a 1st but not a 2,3,5 ok

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 20, 2015 1:28 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

I only heard theLLCB say a first.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 1:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

The rams and eagles were both offered 1st Rd picks for Bradford so like I said he’s worth a 1st and not a 2,3,5

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 3:29 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

The Eagles were never offered a first round pick.

The Browns ONLY offered a first for Bradford IF he would re-sign with them at half his salary.

The Browns are now out, and there never was another team.

Stop dreaming.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 3:43 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Vinniedaloser…stop it…the record is clear…

Chip Kelly made it clear that the Eagles were offered a first round pick and he NEVER said who offered the pick…

Its you and others pure conjecture that it was the Browns…you dont know who offered the pick!

Stop lying…stop being so desperate…its over…

Foles was dumped…Let it go…Vinniedaloser its over…you lost!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 3:26 pm

Vinniedaloser….your whining is so pathetic…your a miserable mutt that wants to cast a pall of dark sentiments over the team because Chip dumped bum ass Foles

GET OVER IT ALREADY…FOLES IS NO LONGER HERE…CHIP GOT RID OF HIM VINNIE…HE’S WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!

If we did decided to trade Bradford on draft day (and we wont) he would definitely bring you far more picks than Nick ‘worth nothing’ Foles!

In trading Foles, we had to give up picks for a team to take him off of our hands…otherwise we would have simply cut him.

Stop whining, bitching, and moaning Vinnie….its all over…time to move on!~!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 3:33 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Dude…just a news flash…I haven’t mentioned Foles in several weeks, except to point out that you have his name on “repeat”

The fact that there is no team in the NFL willing to part with a first, or a 2nd, 3rd and 5th (or whatever silly scenariio) has nothing to do with Foles.

It has to do with Bradford.

No one, but the Eagles wanted the guy. They they were suckered by the Rams who lied about the first rounder being offered. Eagles panicked. Paid too much. Now ‘stuck’ with Bradford.

Move along.

I would have loved to ask you 2 years back…Hey Koolidiot…what would you think of a trio of Bradford, Sanchez and Tebow as the Eagles QBs??

You, like everyone else, would have said….”Shut the fuck up – that’s stupid”

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 3:49 pm

Vinniedaloser….every post you make…is an inference to Foles…

You are so transparent its ridiculous…you are suddenly so enamored with the Eagles losing that second round pick

You haven’t complained at all about the busted selection of Marcus Smith in the first round…you haven’t griped about losing Djax for nothing….but suddenly now the greatest loss in Eagles history is that second round pick for a QB that has not played for us and may very well prove to be worth far more than that second round pick!

But we all know you can’t bring yourself to admit that….why

It means that you would be admitting that getting rid of your man crush that you posted about incessantly for more than a year…was the right move!

Your bashing of Chip Kelly now is for one reason and one reason only-you know, I know it, and everyone on here knows it…

You bash Chip Kelly because he dumped your idol…your man crush…the love of your football life-Nick Foles!!

LMAO…you are transparently pathetic Vinniedaloser!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 4:07 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

I thought the Smith pick was stupid and said so when it happened. Haven;t commented on that since as you’ve got to give rookies 2 years before deciding…however he;s well on his way to bust status.

If Kelly had any real foresight, and wasn’t just lurching from scenario to scenario like he;s doing right now, he could have drafted Bridgewater with the Smith pick (he was available) and the Birds would be sitting pretty right now.

But Kelly doesn’t think ahead, he lurches from one “great” idea that pops into his head to another.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 12:00 pm

“I look for a quarterback who can run and not a running back who can throw. I want a quarterback who can beat you with his arm. We are not a Tim Tebow type of quarterback team. I am not going to run my quarterback 20 times on power runs.”

Chip Kelly

“lf I had a Tim Tebow, l might change my mind. You do not find the 6-foot-4, 240-pound, 4.6 quarterbacks too many times.”

Too good.

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 20, 2015 12:28 pm

Ok, I’ve talked myself down off the ledge. No more whining from me. Kelly is obviously more knowledgeable about his plan then any of us. Things have worked pretty well so far even with a bunch of head scratchers. Maybe he knows something about Bradford. Maybe he does have magic potion in those shakes..I’m back on the LLCB’s bus! Go birds.

zilents44
zilents44
April 20, 2015 12:45 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Welcome back will you pull a pman and start flip floppin all over the damn place…..lol

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 20, 2015 12:49 pm

I root for the eagles. I don’t lead with the negative narrative line Paul.

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 20, 2015 1:45 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I root for the Eagles, I lead with the negative narrative, LLCB blows as a GM. Love Tebow hate whatever the hell this plan is.

seansyh
seansyh
April 20, 2015 1:50 pm

Who cares if we signed Tebow!!!

He’s not guaranteed a roster spot, he’s got incredible work habits, doesn’t get in any trouble, and will at the very least push the other QB’s on the roster.

Did anyone actually feel comfortable with Barkley as the back-up when Sanchez was starting last year? No you didn’t because we all know that when you’re using your 3rd string guy you are most likely going to lose. So what difference does it make? As an opposing defense, you know what Matt Barkley can do. At least when you bring Tebow on the field the defense has to be in their toes. That fact alone makes this signing an upgrade.

seansyh
seansyh
April 20, 2015 1:54 pm
Reply to  seansyh

I think this is Chip once again going against the norm in the NFL. Usually the 3rd string QB is a rookie who you are trying to develop. Tebow is a veteran who has been out of the league for 2-years.

But I will say this. If it came down to choosing a 3rd string guy I’m taking the hardest worker/most competitive person I can because when their number is called, they embrace the moment as opposed to being scared. (see Barkley against the Giants 2 years ago)

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 20, 2015 2:42 pm
Reply to  seansyh

Only in philly do people debate 3rd stringers…and even get mad about it! In the nfl if your backup can be 500 or slightly above you are in decent shape. Any team getting to their third is in a whole lotta trouble…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
April 20, 2015 2:49 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Reason being is because we are passionate about our team and also because we have not won a SB…..as a consequence we scrutinize moves that are suspect, position and level be damned.

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 5:15 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Just like every other Team and Fan Base…
Eagles Fans seem to think they are unique to Front Office Gaffe’s, Poor Trades and Free-Agency Signing and Poor Drafts… Go check with about
20 Other Cities and Fan Bases …

mhenski
mhenski
April 20, 2015 2:52 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

dont be so sure tebow is your 3rd stringer. bradford will have a set back any day now and tebow may be better than sanchez

scary days

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 4:09 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

You have to debate 3rd stringers when the starting QB has missed almost 60% of his career starts due to injury, won’t be cleared to even step on to the field till TC, and the 2nd QB is the absolutely terrible Mark Sanchez.

JawanCarter
JawanCarter
April 20, 2015 2:48 pm

Tim Tebow is really sexy, I think he will do well in Philadelphia.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 3:14 pm

Excellent analysis GCobb! We will put Tebow to good use…special teams, goal line, short yardage situations….instead of trying to run Sam Bradford on sneaks throw Tebow out there…and again…he’s an upgrade from Barkley…
The naysayers of Chip Kelly never provide an alternate….while bashing Kelly about Bradford…they ignore just how ineffective Foles is…while bashing Kelly on Shady…they ignore the moves he made to replace Shady and increased the talent level on defense as well…..and now while bashing Kelly about Tebow they fail to tell us a better alternative to him as your third string QB who you can use in specific packages to feature your run…you get more out of Tebow as a third string QB than most teams will get out of their third string and you may increases the chances of keeping Bradford healthy by keeping him short yardage situations, goal line where the QB can just bust it in there…

If you cant posit alternative moves that are clearly better your criticisms of Kelly can simply be identified as whining….

Stop whining…and admit it…Chip Kelly is doing a pretty good job as GM!!

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 5:06 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

GTFOH on GM Kelly doing a Good Job as GM this Off-Season … Kelly Spent almost $50 Million in Cap Space after making good Cuts that were overdue with Herremans,Cole, Casey, C Williams but is still a Safety, CB, & RG Short because he paid too much for Maxwell,Murray, Sanchez and Bradford & Brandon Graham..
He Traded this Years 4th Round Pick and Next Years 2nd Round Pick to the Rams for QB Bradford who missed 60% of his Career being injured and who was about to get released from the Rams so the Eagles could have pursued him for peanuts if they waiting … .Stupid Ass…

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 10:54 pm
Reply to  paulman

Bull!! Once again paulman you spew with no substance…again…what safety, CB, and RG should we have picked up???…who…why do you care about the money the Eagles save…if you are not talking about any specific players we could have gotten…what does it matter to you what money they spend???….

The whining about the money spent is ridiculous BS……the money spent got us the best corner available, the picks got us the most talented Qb to replace a bum who wasn’t taking us anywhere, we picked up talent at the RB spot and weakened a division rival in Dallas….
The facts are clear instead waiting for someone to start a bidding war for Bradford, Kelly moved quickly…and got the best alternative for us at the QB position. He is worth the gamble based on talent…if he gets hurt again we move on..and have money to go after another QB…but if he plays well and stays healthy…the gamble pays off and we have a franchise Qb who will excel in this system.

The money means nothing unless you are just interested in saving Jeff Lurie some money….

Lets face facts…we are stuck in the middle of the pack…meaning we are not getting high draft picks, so to get talent we are gambling …if we dont gamble on the talent…we will be faced with the same thing we been thru for the past few years…no playoff wins….not enough talent to get us over the hump!

Kelly is going for it..he’s doing what a GM in our situation should do…spend the money, gamble on talent…and see what it gets you

Mac Dolo
Mac Dolo
April 20, 2015 7:47 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

What’s funny about your post is that even you don’t believe the shit you post Kelly is doing a pretty good job as GM keep telling yourself that buddy.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 3:34 pm

Great conclusion written by Barnwell over on Grantland:

“And that’s why I would be concerned if I were Chip Kelly. It’s not an issue with Tebow himself, but a problem with the perception issue already surrounding this team. If Kelly gets his moves right — if DeMarco Murray stays healthy and Byron Maxwell is a shutdown corner and they draft this year’s version of Odell Beckham Jr. in the first round — nobody cares if the Eagles cut Tebow in August. If the other moves don’t work out, the decision to sign Tebow will become a flashpoint, another sign that Kelly was just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something stuck.

Rightly or wrongly, Tebow could become the picture of what went wrong during the Kelly era. It’s the latest curiosity in an offseason full of risks for the league’s most fascinating team.”

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 5:13 pm

To be serious for a moment,
I don’t think anyone with any sense of a Football IQ sees the Signing of
Tim Tebow as nothing more than an Upgrade for the 3rd String QB SPot since this Draft Class is weak and Barkley is definitely not the Answer moving forward,.. So why not bring in a Big-strong QB who can maybe help with Wildcat/RO Packages since the Eagles have a bunch of Stiffs already at the QB Position.. Much to do about nothing ….

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 3:43 pm

I heard from a Friend outside of Tampa that Chip Kelly is doing a Mike Ditka
Offer and offering the entire 2015 Draft Class + the 2016 1st Round Pick to the TB Bucs for their # 1 Pick and or to the Titans for their # 2 Pick

Then During the Draft, then Kelly will Trade Bradford getting a 2nd Round Pick Back, then LB Kendricks to get a 3rd Round Pick Back, then Mathis and Sproles to get Two 4th Round Picks Back and Boykin to get a 5th Round Pick Back…

What a Genius This Chip Kelly is and lands on the Cover of Time Magazine.. .

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
April 20, 2015 4:06 pm
Reply to  paulman

paul…honestly…nothing would surprise me with Barney Rubble..btw..I dubbed Chip Barney Rubble on here loooong ago. Anyway…I realize he is so unconventional that it is useless trying to figure him out because he is a maverick..unpredictable and flies by the seat of his pants.

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 4:22 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I believe and agree with you.. Who knows how this Draft will shake out but One thing I would be my Mortgage on is that Chip Kelly will not sit tight and select his 8 Picks as they are currently listed.. He will Move up, Move back, Trade a Couple of Players to jump up 10-15 Spots in a given Round so its should be exciting and must-see TV..
I also believe that the NFL Office will have a talk with Cleveland about helping Chip Out.. Remember they were very lenient on GM Farmers Penalty about Texting Coach’s on the Field where they lost no picks..
Chip Kelly having success and getting Marcus Mariota is good for the NFL

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 20, 2015 5:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

I hate to say it Paul but that almost makes sense….

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
April 20, 2015 5:22 pm

When Andy traded Donovan it was late in his career. There was very little chance Donovan was going to make the Eagles look stupid. When we let Dawk go it hurt a little more. But the moves that Chip has made – letting young guys walk and replacing them with rookies and cast-offs could really set the team back and make the Eagles look foolish.

If Foles is successful in St Louis and Bradford fails here, Kelly will be a laughing stock. I know koolbreeze and others don’t see that as a possibility, but it could easily be a reality. And it’s a good bet that McCoy and Maclin will outshine their replacements.

Kelly’s career hinges on this coming season. There is no plan “B” for him.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 8:14 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

If Bradford is successful here and Foles is a complete flop in St Louis then you, Vinniedaloser, haveablunt, mhenski, and other doom and gloom naysayers will be embarrassed. Once again, you naysayers have abandon the Eagles because of we dont have the Quarterback that you insist upon…
Shady McCoy is an All-Pro running back…of course he will do well, Maclin will probably be hurt and ineffective..as for our offense we will be fine…Ertz will be a major factor this year, Matthews will step up as a receiver, and our running game will be fine with Murray, Matthews and Sproles!
The defense will be improved and with the improved play that we get at Quarterback….the offense will be more dominate….

The Eagles will be in the playoffs and win a playoff game this year…something we have not accomplished…and you naysayers will deny your negativity and proclaim that you were on board with Chip all the way….

I’ll be there to bust your ass and call you to the carpet so that you all can eat crow and kiss ass properly!

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
April 20, 2015 11:43 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

If Bradford is successful here and Foles is a complete flop in St Louis then you, Vinniedaloser, haveablunt, mhenski, and other doom and gloom naysayers will be embarrassed.

Please STFU koolbreeze – If Bradford is successful here and Foles is a hit by a truck I will be the happiest season ticket holder at the Linc.

Please stop assuming that people have the same unnatural and unhealthy feelings for Nick Foles as you have for Mike Vick…. If Nick Foles never plays another NFL game I could give a shit.

I’m an Eagles fan… Unlike you, I don’t carry a torch for any ex-Eagles player.

E-money
E-money
April 20, 2015 7:15 pm

I hate all of the QBs on the roster, can we cut them all and start over?

Butt- fumble is still my least favorite for sucking royally last season.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 7:22 pm

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that neither Evan Mathis nor dion jordan showed up for offseason workouts

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 7:31 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Draft Day Trade
Eagles Send Evan Mathis & Marcus Smith II to the Dolphins for Dion Jordan
No picks involved…

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 7:45 pm

I don’t see it paulman Like I’ve stated before marcus smith fits the dolphins less than dion jordan.

JawanCarter
JawanCarter
April 20, 2015 7:52 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

yummy, that is one fine looking man in Dion.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 7:52 pm

Funny article on Grantland today….might as well be the onion…continue the madness says Andrew Sharp……

Dear Chip,

“So far this offseason, Chip Kelly has traded his best offensive player, spent a ton of money on two overrated running backs, abandoned the receiver position, and paid Seattle’s third corner to be the foundation of his secondary. Then came Tebow. Honestly, I wasn’t completely onboard until Tebow.

Tebow is definitive proof that Chip is just screwing with everyone. He is trolling the universe. He is standing in the middle of the Colosseum, undaunted, screaming back at the masses. I like it. I respect it. Sometimes you have to go a little crazy to stay sane. Sometimes you have to get lost to find yourself. Burn the trees to save the forest.

But there’s one more move on the board here.

There’s one more bullet in the chamber.

It’s time to pick up the money phone and make the call.

I’m not terribly familiar with Chat Sports, but I want to believe. I need to believe. Chip has definitely considered it, right?

I don’t want to watch an Eagles team that’s gone 90 percent crazy. Let’s push this to 110. Let’s make the rumors real.

Remember the bombs in Die Hard: With a Vengeance? The red syrup and the white syrup? That’s Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel, together in the same shotgun formation.

This is not a joke.

The only move in Chip’s hair-on-fire, buck-naked-in-the-coach’s-office, huffing-ether-for-eight-weeks-straight offseason that still doesn’t make sense is the Sam Bradford trade. Bradford is the glitch in this program. There’s not a chance in hell he stays healthy for 16 games, and even if he does, what are you really building if Bradford is the foundation?

It’s time to fix the glitch.

Coach Elon Musk deserves better than Sam Bradford.

Manziel is out of rehab now, it looks like he is committed to taking football seriously, and if he were ever going to succeed anywhere in the NFL, it would be with Chip and this Eagles offense. Why waste time trading away 15 picks for Marcus Mariota when you can get basically the same quarterback for 10 cents on the dollar from Cleveland?

Five years of sports have been building toward Tebow, Manziel, and Chip locking arms in the City of Brotherly Love. Also, did I mention that trading Bradford to the Browns means Eagles fans don’t have to watch him get hurt five weeks into the season? And what about how Manziel is the perfect quarterback to run Chip’s scheme? We should be rooting for this move because it would be the funniest thing ever, but it’s also just crazy enough to work.

Chip Kelly stared down into the volcano of takes, and rather than slowly back away, he did a swan dive to the bottom. Now it’s time for an eruption. Chip can burst out of the mountain, surfing on hot lava all the way to the playoffs, with an H-back from heaven and a quarterback who was put on this earth to play in this offense.

This GIF can be the Eagles’ offseason if Chip makes the call.

manzielmagic

While the rest of us pin our tails between our legs and follow the leader, Chip Kelly is the man who’s not afraid to dream bigger.

It’s time to make the dream a reality.”

E-money
E-money
April 20, 2015 8:16 pm

You’re high.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
April 21, 2015 12:40 am

What are you really building if Bradford is the foundation?

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner! That’s the best question!

I love the hair-on-fire, buck-naked-in-the-coach’s-office comment too…

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 3:13 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

“What are you really building if Bradford is the foundation?”

What a dumb question. What were you building if Foles was the foundation?

The bottom line that so many of you grumblers just dont seem to understand is that there are not many good, franchise QB’s in the NFL! They are terribly difficult to obtain. What Kelly has done is take a calculated gamble. He recognized that he could not build any ‘foundation’ with Nick Foles…he evaluated Foles and saw the futility of that…he recognizes that he probably does not have enough to obtain Mariota in the draft…he cant go from the 20th pick to the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft….
So he is taking a wise and calculated gamble…he sized the opportunity to get a QB with more talent than what he previously had..

New Orleans took the same gamble with Drew Brees, when they signed him as a free agent after coming off of a serious shoulder injury where he tore his rotator cuff on his throwing arm!

New Orleans could have stayed with the sub par Aaron Brooks at QB…they could have given Todd Bouman the job…

They took a gamble on Drew Brees..and won a Super Bowl with him…

Will that happen here?? I dont know…but given what we had at Quarterback, Chip Kelly thinks its worth the shot…

I agree wholeheartedly…

.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
April 21, 2015 7:41 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

The one big difference being that Drew Brees was a pro bowl QB with the Chargers. He went to a Saints team that was 3-13 the previous year… and the Saints gave the Chargers nothing.

Wow – what a chance the Saints took..

The Eagles wayyyyyyyyy overpaid for a lemon… Wake up koolbreez

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 9:44 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

As i stated since the Bradford for Foles Trade
I had no Problem with the Kelly moving on from Foles for clearly he was not his type of QB to fully run his System, and I am not so sure that even less mobile QB Sam Bradford is either…
Bottom line to me, is if Kelly was going to make the move, then get your QB who you know can run your System which means Mariota
and not the 2 ACL Torn Knee – Limited Mobility wise Sam Bradford..
Kelly has F’d up this entire Off-Season since Free-Agency Hit
I thought he did a nice job by shedding older high-dollar players in Cole, Herremans, Casey & Cary Williams to creat some Cap Space to get Younger, Bigger and Faster…
Even moving McCoy was ok since they got a nice young promising ILB in Kiko Alonso in Return
But signing 2 RB’s for a Total of $12 Million when this is the Deepest RB Class in Years did not make sense, Sign 1 of them but not both
Overpaying QB M Sanchez, WR M Austin when it appears there was a limited market on both Players gives me the sense that Kelly/Marynowitz Team simply don’t have a real good pulse of current NFL Player Market

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 10:37 am
Reply to  paulman

Comparing Bradford to Drew Brees??

I might as well announce 1-37 right now because you got at least things wrong with that statement!

1 – Brees was a FA, and Saints gave up nothing for him. Not at all like Eagles with Bradford. 1-34
2 – Signed to a 6 year deal….EXCEPT it was really a 1 year deal where Saints held all options. If Brees stunk, or shoulder problems, he could easily be released as majority of bonuses kicked in AFTER the first season…but if he was awesome, Saints had him for the remaining 5 years!! If Bradford is amazing, he can leave to highest bidder. 1-35
3 – Brees had missed 4 games in 4 years. Bradford has missed 31 in 5. He had the shoulder problem, but was back throwing…AND Saints insulated themselves with the contract….Bradford still can’t walk out on to the field.1-36
4 – Brees, the 2 years previous was 20-11 65% 7600 yrds 51tds and 22 ints. Bradford…forget it…its pathetic. 1-37.

I mean….man……too easy 1-37.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 10:55 am
Reply to  paulman

Sanchez didnt get overpaid…thats the going rate for backup QBs. You merely have to go look at what the Bills paid to bring a terrible Kyle Orton with no preseason time in as a backup last year.

Miles Austin is a flyer contract that only cost 1milliion for the year. Also if they cut him in the offseason and he wants to continue playing I believe another team picks him up that offsets the amount. Could be getting things messed up.

But for 1 million hes not a bad signing at all. If he has anything left nice one year pickup. If not he gets cut early in the preseason so he can catch on elsewhere.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 11:30 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Kyle Orton is a very Poor Example for the BIlls didn’t even have a Clear #1 last Year and is was no Secret that Previous HC there lost all confidence in EJ Manuel, So in Essence, Orton was brought it to be their Starter once he got up to speed…
Look around the NFL, what are Back-up QB’s averaging Pay Wise … $1.5 to $2.5 Per Season… Not the $5.5 that Sanchez is getting…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 11:40 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

There you go flip flopping again. So last year the Bills QB situation was no clear no.1 and this year with the same EJ Manuel that is a bust….and a jourenyman backup QB its different.

Seriously come up with something better than trolling.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 12:17 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

The top 10 avg of top paid backups is about 4 million…where the hell are you getting 1.5?

Come on man.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 12:24 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Josh McCown is getting 4.6
Chad Henne 4mil
Matt Cassell/Brian Hoyer 5.5 mil
Fitzpatrick 3.6
Ryan Mallet 3.5
Chase Daniel 3.3
Shaun Hill 3.25
MATT HASSELBECK 3MIL

Even Drew Stanton and Matt Moore are making above 2.5mil

AND YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT MARKET VALUE?

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 21, 2015 12:47 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Sanchez at a hundred bucks a week is overpaid he’s a bum who will start at least 5 games with the current crop of crap taking snaps for our Philadelphia Eagles. Damn!!!!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 12:50 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Thats besides the point Big. But in this version of a QB needy NFL he is considered one of the better backups in the league.

Hoyer and Cassell getting 5.5 mil almost had me through 40yd out routes in the parking lot to no one.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 1:33 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Check the Pats, Giants, Steelers, Bengals, Ravens,Bears, Packers,Lions, Titans, Panthers,Falcons,Texans,Cowboys, Chargers, Broncos,Seahawks,Cardinals Back-Up QB’s

You have some Guys on your list who were the Starting QB going into last Season like Chade Henne, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer and Matt Cassell… What was Texans Ryan Mallets Salary for 2014 ? The $3.5 Million you state reflects his new Deal for This Year as he goes in as the Texans Starter for 2015 ? but you know “Market Value” your Jack-Off…

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 1:35 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

The NFL has 32 Back-Up QB’s and not 10…
Figure the Average out for all 32 Teams Back-Up QB’s at the Start of the Last Season and then get back to us..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 1:50 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Sorry Chimp Boy your theory is shot to shit. The top backup QBs in the league make on average above 3 million.

Which means that the market value for top backup QBs that.

Sit down rethink you chimp theories and get back to me.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 1:51 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

More proof Paulmans Chimp Boy logic….

The Texans have not named a starter…have given two QBS almost 4 million to fight it out and one will be the starter and they are open to drafting another.

So that would mean one of their backup QBS…is making 4 million this year almost…GUARANTEED.

SHUT UP CHIMP BOY. STOP TALKING

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 2:00 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

On top of that Chimp Boy…the ones you stated as starters were backups brought in to keep the seat warm while transitioning to another QB. Low rent backup QUALITY QBs to get by on until something else came up.

THE EXACT SAME THING HERE WITH SANCHEZ.

SHUT UP CHIMPBOY.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 2:11 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

About 10 Teams have Back-Up QB’s who Make North of $3 Million which 2/3rds of the Teams have Back-ups making $1.5 to $2.5 so when you average out all 32 Teams Back-Up QB’s Positions they Average to about $2-$2.5 Million..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 2:18 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

I could care less about Sanchez or his money honestly. But the harping on his contract is nonsense. Its unfortunate for us that with Foles/Bradford we will or would have seen Sanchez on the field regardless.

Sanchez is what he is….if you can run the ball and keep teams off balance he can win games but he is definitely not the answer. The numbers he put up in this offense last year made fools look worse good or bad. Foles sits in the pockets and takes beatings and will be hurt. You need a QB that can win you games when the starter goes down or keeps a warm til you find the guy.

We still dont know what is going on QB and probably wont until the first snap of week 1.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 2:25 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

So after ranting for 4-5 Posts about Back-Up QB Pay and even mentioned a few exceptions, now you don’t care much about Back-up QB Pay… Your an Ass and were Wrong again…

5-6-7-8 Back-up QB’s don’t make for a 32 Back-up QB Average
Do your F’n Homework…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 2:27 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Youre talking about doing homework? Chimp Boy you went from 1.5 million exaggerations to wrong pointing out the QB situation in Houston.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK CHIMPBOY.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 2:31 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Exceptions top out at 2-3 not 10. The market value for top backups is above 3 million.

The Titans have a 6th round pick starting…with a 3mil vet back up.

Oh yeah tell me how its just the exception….

SHUT UP CHIMPBOY.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 3:07 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

What are you IJ, thick as a F’nm Brick…

There are 32 Teams all with Back-ups…
You keep saying the Average Salary of the “Top Back-Up QB’s”
I stated from the get go the Average of “All 32 Back-Up QB’s ”
You are one Dumb MF… who can’t or won’t comprehend a Damn Thing, Can You.. You Stupid Ass Amateur..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 3:13 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

You poo slinging idiot. Of course there are 32 backups….do you really think they are 32 quality starting backup QBs in the league?

Thats why Blaine Gabbert a certified bust is getting 2 million to backup in SF?

Of course you can be a little troll and covet the number so you can feel like your right but you know what the argument is about. They gave 4.5 million to guy to be a backup with the ability to start and win some games. No different than Hoyer etc.

Even funnier when you spouted off about the Bills QB situation and they gave Cassell the same type of contract we gave Sanchez.

STOP TALKING CHIMPBOY.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 3:16 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 12:17 pm

The top 10 avg of top paid backups is about 4 million…where the hell are you getting 1.5?

Come on man.

Typical Paulman…when proven wrong…trolling and poo slinging….

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 3:20 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Why do you keep referring to Sanzhez as a “top backup??”

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 3:24 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

In this league Vinnie thats what he is. We can argue the merit of it but in this QB shortage leage where there is at best 20 QBs for 32 teams Sanchez is a top backup.

Just look at the salaries given out to quasi stop gaps and backups.

Brian Hoyer turned an abysmal stretch that eliminated the Browns from the playoffs….into 5.5. million and probably the starter in Houston….a Houston team that gave 3.25 to Ryan Mallet….and are rumored to be in on a QB in the draft possibly Marriotta.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 11:44 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish Eagle, what was the legitimate option for the Eagles Quarterback situation?

Snap out of it Irish…Kelly has the unique, up-close and personal look at Nick Foles and he knew he wasn’t good enough….so the question becomes how do you upgrade the QB position?

You take a calculated gamble!

You study the guys film…and you see on film a very accurate QB that makes quick decisions with the ball playing with a sub-par offensive line, no receivers at all.

As an offensive coach if you can get a bum like Sanchez to put up career numbers and throw for over 60% you are have to be confident that you can get that and more from a better QB like Bradford…

So you talk to your medical people, talk to James Andrews…and if you like what they say you pull the trigger why?

He is the best option available…you dont have nearly enough to move up and get Mariota…the QB’s after Mariota and Winston are sub-par backups…there is nothing else available…so you pull the trigger and do what it takes to get the best available QB to upgrade you team and take a shot at winning.
What you dont do is go on the cheap worrying about money…you dont go overboard protecting draft picks who might not pan out anyway…

You pull the trigger and take the shot

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 8:47 pm

*****Paulman Rumor*****

Eagles Send QB Bradford, DT F Cox & # 52 Pick to the Cleveland Browns
For their #12 Pick and QB Johnny Football & the Browns 2nd Round Pick in 2016

Eagles now have the 12th & 20th in the 1st Round

12th Pick – OT La’el Collins (LSU)
19th Pick – DL Arik Armstead (Oregon)

Sanchez opens Season as Starting QB with J Football & Tim Tebow battling it out as the back-up QB
As back-up

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 8:48 pm

That 19th should say the 20th…

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 8:50 pm
Reply to  paulman

Make the Picks as follows

12th – DL Arik Armstead (Oregon)
20th – OL Jake Fisher (Oregon)

alwaysphilly
April 20, 2015 9:00 pm

Pman you’re spewing a lot of hatred toward Kelly. Usually you do your homework but I can see you didn’t do your due diligence on this one. Yahoo news reported that Tebow has been working with Quarterback guru “Tom House” on improving his throwing motion. According to House; Tim Tebow is very acculturate now and spinning the ball like never before. Kelley signed Tebow on House’s recommendation.He goes on to say how Tebow has worked very hard over the last year and a half. All I’m saying is anything is possible.Go Eagles

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 9:13 pm
Reply to  alwaysphilly

We all know that Tebow has been working hard with Tom House who used to be a Relief Pitcher for the Atlanta Braves and caught
The famous Hank Aaron 715 HR in the Left Field Bullpen back in the
70’s..
I am on record that I actually like the Tebow
Pickup for there is little to no risk
But I am also on record that I did not like
Obtaining Bradford, Signing Naxwell or Murray
And paid too much for Sanchez,Mikes Austin
But hey, it’s not my $$$$

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 20, 2015 9:02 pm

Tashaun Gipson Eric Weddle are hold outs.

paulman
paulman
April 20, 2015 9:17 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Add Orkando Scandrick of the Cowboys
Almost every NFL Olayer that was Franchised
Dez Bryant, J Pierre Paul, Justin Houston,
Denarius Thomas , etc, etc…
This goes on every Off-Season as these initial workouts
Are voluntary and technically players under a Franchise Tag
Still have to sign their “Contracts” and will not participate
until Camp as to not get injured..

Zukny
April 20, 2015 9:16 pm

This is how I’m looking at it:

Mr. Glass – aka Sam Bradford – Will be Injured by game 3
Sanchez – Will get booed out of town from game 3 through game 7
Tebow steps up and wins the superbowl!

Huge tebow fan LOL Why? I don’t know.. I guess I just can’t help but love the guys attitude.

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 20, 2015 9:36 pm

Man I absolutely cannot stand the LLCB but he knows how to keep this franchise in the news cycle, can’t buy a damn jersey but he keeps our Eagles as the top story in the NFL.

jakedog
jakedog
April 20, 2015 9:58 pm

Welcome Tebow. Damn we are excited

The best acquisition since foles, they are a lot alike, but different.

Foles is a far more finished qb, a star in the works, potentially a big time qb whose best days are ahead

Tebow has much more to prove, yet he’s solid

This guy is grounded

He can run, he’s a hoss

Bradford does not have this guys toughness

Can’t wait to see how chip integrates this unique talent

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 11:18 pm
Reply to  jakedog

well if it isn’t old jakdog

back again huh!

Jake the racistdog

what brings u back?

LOL….Tebow….your kinda guy huh jakracistdog…LOL

figures…lol

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 10:10 pm

That’s not a bad trade paulman but I think the other 3 team deal is better cause I think cox can get you late 1st on his own and Bradford is already worth a 1st so the Browns would be getting to much

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 9:56 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Bradford is not Worth a #1 Pick.. I am not buying that for a minute.. All that Cleveland Browns Noise means nothing and doesn’t dictate Market Value

Eagles would still keep their #20 PIck and Gain back a 2nd Rounder in 2016 that they lost to the Rams in obtaining Bradford in the 1st Place
and rid themselves of the wasteful $13 Million that Bradford would cost them in lame duck 2015 Season

Browns still keep their #19 Pick while adding QB Bradford & DL F Cox
plus get a 2nd Round Pick (#54) and rid of themselves of last years mistake Johnny Football

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 20, 2015 10:30 pm

Gloomy ..careful ,you’re turning into the Chimp..slinging stuff …this whole offer of a number one for bradford ,was something chip got taken on..don’t see it from any other angle..best case scenario ..he understands his transgression ,and he’s insuring and stacking the deck, he will become in my opinion a desperate man ,on draft day ..He now knows he was caught in a game of poker and he’s holding a couple of number cards and there all a different suit..simply put ..he got played..Yes cleveland , offered a 1 for bradford ,if he’d restructure his 13 million dollar ….say it louder 13 million..that’s a big bag of cash…that’s on this rosters of birds top of the heap..he forgot the fine print…he’s got tebow ,sanchez,Bradford and prayers ..nobody’s offering a one for the gimp…and 13 large..

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 20, 2015 11:28 pm

What pick would have the genius had if he had lost the giant game ? Not 20 ..he’s doing shit on the fly..if he had a plan he’d lose that game ..meant nothing ,but better draft position..

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 20, 2015 11:32 pm

Paulman if that trade ever came with tebow and johnny football ..they can run the hey diddle diddle play of the 3 stooges..on the goal line …

deserteagle
deserteagle
April 20, 2015 11:35 pm

Big..he keeps himself as the story …not the Eagles ..hes out to prove to the godfather in New England ..I’ll resurrect tebow ,when you couldn’t..

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 11:40 pm

The continual babble about paying Bradford $13million….so what…who cares how much money is placed in Bradford’s pocket…there is no doubt that he has more value than Nick Foles and more talent…its an upgrade in talent…and a one-year 13 million dollar gamble with Jeff Lurie’s money….

Again…who cares…his pockets are stuffed with money from all of those years we have been millions of dollars under the cap with sup-par, bum ass, no playoff win players!

The $13 million is a good gamble for a potential franchise QB that upgrades us from the cheap Qb we had that was also hurt, injured, and on the bench for key games….

The dumb ass spin that says Chip was ‘outmaneuvered’ is ridiculous….We had more cap room than most teams in the league…so we could afford to be aggressive and get Chip what he wants to take a shot at winning…

Most of you would have rather done what we have done over the past few years…sit tight…hope to luck up in the draft and still not have enough to win a playoff game…we’ve been there and done that…Chip Kelly is doing a great job at trying something new for a change!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 12:19 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

“his pockets are stuffed with money from all of those years we have been millions of dollars under the cap with sup-par, bum ass, no playoff win players!”

Sigh…another idiot that thinks the salary cap is real $$.

Wrong again.

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koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 2:42 am

LOL…your such a dumb ass Vinniedafool

You cant put a fact to a correct conclusion to save your ass…

All of the NFL Owners rake in massive revenues from television, from sponsorships, from ticket sales, and other ventures…

They pay player salaries from that revenue fool ass!

The millions that the Eagles are under the cap simply makes millions more of Eagles revenue available to Jeff Lurie….dumb ass. Revenue that far exceeds the maximum amount of dollars that can possibly spent on the salary allotment to the Players-the salary cap…fool ass

No one said that the salary cap was ‘actual dollars’….

Mystery statements, fudging the facts, cant put a clear ‘fact’ to a logical conclusion…

Vinniedaloser you are a dumb ass!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 8:33 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

It took months to re-educate Songs, now I have to do the same to you.

You are confusing 2 separate entities.

1 – The salary cap
2 – Actual salaries paid to players – payroll

The first….the salary cap…is fantasy economics. Not real $$. bunch of accounting tricks that a good “capologist” (accountant) can fudge to maneuver around the imposed “cap”

For years, the Eagles were excellent at this. They always had “cap room”….”cap room” that idiots like yourself equated to real dollars.

You would make retarded statements like the one above saying Lurie, “his pockets are stuffed with money from all of those years we have been millions of dollars under the cap…..”

You think that because the Eagles were 20 mill under the “cap” (or whatever amount), Lurie was pocketing that $20 mill.

He wasn’t. Because its not real $$.

In terms of actuall payroll….real $$ paid to players, not fantasy accounting tricks used to circumvent an accounting rule…in terms of real $$ paid to real players….the Eagles have been in the top 10 every year of Lurie’s ownership. In fact, for the majority of his time here, the Eagles have been in ht e top 5, and were always top 3 in the NFC champ game years.

In total, the Eagles are top 5 in terms of actual $$ to actual players over his ownership reign.

Has Lurie made a ton of $$. Of course he has. But cheap in terms of paying players? Pure fantasy.

A fantasy created and propagated by morons like yourself who can’t read past a newspaper headline and take whatever random phone in show callers shout as gospel.

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Mac Dolo
Mac Dolo
April 21, 2015 3:17 pm

COMBO BREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 3:21 pm
Reply to  Mac Dolo

HAHAHAHAHA Mac Dolo you just took me back to Federal St. Pizza shops and quarter challenges “I got next”.

Killer Instinct vs MK…..who ya got!!!

LOL

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 4:00 pm

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gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 – 11:25 am

If the eagles can’t land mariota then thru should trade out of the 1st Rd and aquire as many picks as possible. And trade Bradford for 2,3,5 Rd picks and either start a tebow,sanchez or a rookie.
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mhenski
April 20, 2015 – 11:41 am

lmfao
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 12:03 pm

“trade Bradford for 2,3,5 Rd picks”

LOL

To who? The magical “we love to throw away picks” team that’s out there?
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haveacigar
April 20, 2015 – 12:06 pm

Gloomy makes Paul look sensible…
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gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 – 12:55 pm

Wow so Bradford is worth a 1st but not a 2,3,5 ok
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haveacigar
April 20, 2015 – 1:28 pm

I only heard theLLCB say a first.
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gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 – 1:37 pm

The rams and eagles were both offered 1st Rd picks for Bradford so like I said he’s worth a 1st and not a 2,3,5
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 3:29 pm

The Eagles were never offered a first round pick.

The Browns ONLY offered a first for Bradford IF he would re-sign with them at half his salary.

The Browns are now out, and there never was another team.

Stop dreaming.
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 3:43 pm

Vinniedaloser…stop it…the record is clear…

Chip Kelly made it clear that the Eagles were offered a first round pick and he NEVER said who offered the pick…

Its you and others pure conjecture that it was the Browns…you dont know who offered the pick!

Stop lying…stop being so desperate…its over…

Foles was dumped…Let it go…Vinniedaloser its over…you lost!
koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 3:26 pm

Vinniedaloser….your whining is so pathetic…your a miserable mutt that wants to cast a pall of dark sentiments over the team because Chip dumped bum ass Foles

GET OVER IT ALREADY…FOLES IS NO LONGER HERE…CHIP GOT RID OF HIM VINNIE…HE’S WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!

If we did decided to trade Bradford on draft day (and we wont) he would definitely bring you far more picks than Nick ‘worth nothing’ Foles!

In trading Foles, we had to give up picks for a team to take him off of our hands…otherwise we would have simply cut him.

Stop whining, bitching, and moaning Vinnie….its all over…time to move on!~!
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 3:33 pm

Dude…just a news flash…I haven’t mentioned Foles in several weeks, except to point out that you have his name on “repeat”

The fact that there is no team in the NFL willing to part with a first, or a 2nd, 3rd and 5th (or whatever silly scenariio) has nothing to do with Foles.

It has to do with Bradford.

No one, but the Eagles wanted the guy. They they were suckered by the Rams who lied about the first rounder being offered. Eagles panicked. Paid too much. Now ‘stuck’ with Bradford.

Move along.

I would have loved to ask you 2 years back…Hey Koolidiot…what would you think of a trio of Bradford, Sanchez and Tebow as the Eagles QBs??

You, like everyone else, would have said….”Shut the fuck up – that’s stupid”
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koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 3:49 pm

Vinniedaloser….every post you make…is an inference to Foles…

You are so transparent its ridiculous…you are suddenly so enamored with the Eagles losing that second round pick

You haven’t complained at all about the busted selection of Marcus Smith in the first round…you haven’t griped about losing Djax for nothing….but suddenly now the greatest loss in Eagles history is that second round pick for a QB that has not played for us and may very well prove to be worth far more than that second round pick!

But we all know you can’t bring yourself to admit that….why

It means that you would be admitting that getting rid of your man crush that you posted about incessantly for more than a year…was the right move!

Your bashing of Chip Kelly now is for one reason and one reason only-you know, I know it, and everyone on here knows it…

You bash Chip Kelly because he dumped your idol…your man crush…the love of your football life-Nick Foles!!

LMAO…you are transparently pathetic Vinniedaloser!
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 4:07 pm

I thought the Smith pick was stupid and said so when it happened. Haven;t commented on that since as you’ve got to give rookies 2 years before deciding…however he;s well on his way to bust status.

If Kelly had any real foresight, and wasn’t just lurching from scenario to scenario like he;s doing right now, he could have drafted Bridgewater with the Smith pick (he was available) and the Birds would be sitting pretty right now.

But Kelly doesn’t think ahead, he lurches from one “great” idea that pops into his head to another.
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 12:00 pm

“I look for a quarterback who can run and not a running back who can throw. I want a quarterback who can beat you with his arm. We are not a Tim Tebow type of quarterback team. I am not going to run my quarterback 20 times on power runs.”

Chip Kelly

“lf I had a Tim Tebow, l might change my mind. You do not find the 6-foot-4, 240-pound, 4.6 quarterbacks too many times.”

Too good.
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haveacigar
April 20, 2015 – 12:28 pm

Ok, I’ve talked myself down off the ledge. No more whining from me. Kelly is obviously more knowledgeable about his plan then any of us. Things have worked pretty well so far even with a bunch of head scratchers. Maybe he knows something about Bradford. Maybe he does have magic potion in those shakes..I’m back on the LLCB’s bus! Go birds.
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zilents44
April 20, 2015 – 12:45 pm

Welcome back will you pull a pman and start flip floppin all over the damn place…..lol
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haveacigar
April 20, 2015 – 12:49 pm

I root for the eagles. I don’t lead with the negative narrative line Paul.
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Biglion821
April 20, 2015 – 1:45 pm

I root for the Eagles, I lead with the negative narrative, LLCB blows as a GM. Love Tebow hate whatever the hell this plan is.
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seansyh
April 20, 2015 – 1:50 pm

Who cares if we signed Tebow!!!

He’s not guaranteed a roster spot, he’s got incredible work habits, doesn’t get in any trouble, and will at the very least push the other QB’s on the roster.

Did anyone actually feel comfortable with Barkley as the back-up when Sanchez was starting last year? No you didn’t because we all know that when you’re using your 3rd string guy you are most likely going to lose. So what difference does it make? As an opposing defense, you know what Matt Barkley can do. At least when you bring Tebow on the field the defense has to be in their toes. That fact alone makes this signing an upgrade.
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seansyh
April 20, 2015 – 1:54 pm

I think this is Chip once again going against the norm in the NFL. Usually the 3rd string QB is a rookie who you are trying to develop. Tebow is a veteran who has been out of the league for 2-years.

But I will say this. If it came down to choosing a 3rd string guy I’m taking the hardest worker/most competitive person I can because when their number is called, they embrace the moment as opposed to being scared. (see Barkley against the Giants 2 years ago)
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haveacigar
April 20, 2015 – 2:42 pm

Only in philly do people debate 3rd stringers…and even get mad about it! In the nfl if your backup can be 500 or slightly above you are in decent shape. Any team getting to their third is in a whole lotta trouble…
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Eaglehaslanded
April 20, 2015 – 2:49 pm

Reason being is because we are passionate about our team and also because we have not won a SB…..as a consequence we scrutinize moves that are suspect, position and level be damned.
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 5:15 pm

Just like every other Team and Fan Base…
Eagles Fans seem to think they are unique to Front Office Gaffe’s, Poor Trades and Free-Agency Signing and Poor Drafts… Go check with about
20 Other Cities and Fan Bases …
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mhenski
April 20, 2015 – 2:52 pm

dont be so sure tebow is your 3rd stringer. bradford will have a set back any day now and tebow may be better than sanchez

scary days
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 4:09 pm

You have to debate 3rd stringers when the starting QB has missed almost 60% of his career starts due to injury, won’t be cleared to even step on to the field till TC, and the 2nd QB is the absolutely terrible Mark Sanchez.
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JawanCarter
April 20, 2015 – 2:48 pm

Tim Tebow is really sexy, I think he will do well in Philadelphia.
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koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 3:14 pm

Excellent analysis GCobb! We will put Tebow to good use…special teams, goal line, short yardage situations….instead of trying to run Sam Bradford on sneaks throw Tebow out there…and again…he’s an upgrade from Barkley…
The naysayers of Chip Kelly never provide an alternate….while bashing Kelly about Bradford…they ignore just how ineffective Foles is…while bashing Kelly on Shady…they ignore the moves he made to replace Shady and increased the talent level on defense as well…..and now while bashing Kelly about Tebow they fail to tell us a better alternative to him as your third string QB who you can use in specific packages to feature your run…you get more out of Tebow as a third string QB than most teams will get out of their third string and you may increases the chances of keeping Bradford healthy by keeping him short yardage situations, goal line where the QB can just bust it in there…

If you cant posit alternative moves that are clearly better your criticisms of Kelly can simply be identified as whining….

Stop whining…and admit it…Chip Kelly is doing a pretty good job as GM!!
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 5:06 pm

GTFOH on GM Kelly doing a Good Job as GM this Off-Season … Kelly Spent almost $50 Million in Cap Space after making good Cuts that were overdue with Herremans,Cole, Casey, C Williams but is still a Safety, CB, & RG Short because he paid too much for Maxwell,Murray, Sanchez and Bradford & Brandon Graham..
He Traded this Years 4th Round Pick and Next Years 2nd Round Pick to the Rams for QB Bradford who missed 60% of his Career being injured and who was about to get released from the Rams so the Eagles could have pursued him for peanuts if they waiting … .Stupid Ass…
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koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 10:54 pm

Bull!! Once again paulman you spew with no substance…again…what safety, CB, and RG should we have picked up???…who…why do you care about the money the Eagles save…if you are not talking about any specific players we could have gotten…what does it matter to you what money they spend???….

The whining about the money spent is ridiculous BS……the money spent got us the best corner available, the picks got us the most talented Qb to replace a bum who wasn’t taking us anywhere, we picked up talent at the RB spot and weakened a division rival in Dallas….
The facts are clear instead waiting for someone to start a bidding war for Bradford, Kelly moved quickly…and got the best alternative for us at the QB position. He is worth the gamble based on talent…if he gets hurt again we move on..and have money to go after another QB…but if he plays well and stays healthy…the gamble pays off and we have a franchise Qb who will excel in this system.

The money means nothing unless you are just interested in saving Jeff Lurie some money….

Lets face facts…we are stuck in the middle of the pack…meaning we are not getting high draft picks, so to get talent we are gambling …if we dont gamble on the talent…we will be faced with the same thing we been thru for the past few years…no playoff wins….not enough talent to get us over the hump!

Kelly is going for it..he’s doing what a GM in our situation should do…spend the money, gamble on talent…and see what it gets you
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Mac Dolo
April 20, 2015 – 7:47 pm

What’s funny about your post is that even you don’t believe the shit you post Kelly is doing a pretty good job as GM keep telling yourself that buddy.
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 3:34 pm

Great conclusion written by Barnwell over on Grantland:

“And that’s why I would be concerned if I were Chip Kelly. It’s not an issue with Tebow himself, but a problem with the perception issue already surrounding this team. If Kelly gets his moves right — if DeMarco Murray stays healthy and Byron Maxwell is a shutdown corner and they draft this year’s version of Odell Beckham Jr. in the first round — nobody cares if the Eagles cut Tebow in August. If the other moves don’t work out, the decision to sign Tebow will become a flashpoint, another sign that Kelly was just throwing stuff at the wall and hoping something stuck.

Rightly or wrongly, Tebow could become the picture of what went wrong during the Kelly era. It’s the latest curiosity in an offseason full of risks for the league’s most fascinating team.”
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 5:13 pm

To be serious for a moment,
I don’t think anyone with any sense of a Football IQ sees the Signing of
Tim Tebow as nothing more than an Upgrade for the 3rd String QB SPot since this Draft Class is weak and Barkley is definitely not the Answer moving forward,.. So why not bring in a Big-strong QB who can maybe help with Wildcat/RO Packages since the Eagles have a bunch of Stiffs already at the QB Position.. Much to do about nothing ….
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 3:43 pm

I heard from a Friend outside of Tampa that Chip Kelly is doing a Mike Ditka
Offer and offering the entire 2015 Draft Class + the 2016 1st Round Pick to the TB Bucs for their # 1 Pick and or to the Titans for their # 2 Pick

Then During the Draft, then Kelly will Trade Bradford getting a 2nd Round Pick Back, then LB Kendricks to get a 3rd Round Pick Back, then Mathis and Sproles to get Two 4th Round Picks Back and Boykin to get a 5th Round Pick Back…

What a Genius This Chip Kelly is and lands on the Cover of Time Magazine.. .
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Eaglehaslanded
April 20, 2015 – 4:06 pm

paul…honestly…nothing would surprise me with Barney Rubble..btw..I dubbed Chip Barney Rubble on here loooong ago. Anyway…I realize he is so unconventional that it is useless trying to figure him out because he is a maverick..unpredictable and flies by the seat of his pants.
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 4:22 pm

I believe and agree with you.. Who knows how this Draft will shake out but One thing I would be my Mortgage on is that Chip Kelly will not sit tight and select his 8 Picks as they are currently listed.. He will Move up, Move back, Trade a Couple of Players to jump up 10-15 Spots in a given Round so its should be exciting and must-see TV..
I also believe that the NFL Office will have a talk with Cleveland about helping Chip Out.. Remember they were very lenient on GM Farmers Penalty about Texting Coach’s on the Field where they lost no picks..
Chip Kelly having success and getting Marcus Mariota is good for the NFL
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haveacigar
April 20, 2015 – 5:51 pm

I hate to say it Paul but that almost makes sense….
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IrishEagle
April 20, 2015 – 5:22 pm

When Andy traded Donovan it was late in his career. There was very little chance Donovan was going to make the Eagles look stupid. When we let Dawk go it hurt a little more. But the moves that Chip has made – letting young guys walk and replacing them with rookies and cast-offs could really set the team back and make the Eagles look foolish.

If Foles is successful in St Louis and Bradford fails here, Kelly will be a laughing stock. I know koolbreeze and others don’t see that as a possibility, but it could easily be a reality. And it’s a good bet that McCoy and Maclin will outshine their replacements.

Kelly’s career hinges on this coming season. There is no plan “B” for him.
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koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 8:14 pm

If Bradford is successful here and Foles is a complete flop in St Louis then you, Vinniedaloser, haveablunt, mhenski, and other doom and gloom naysayers will be embarrassed. Once again, you naysayers have abandon the Eagles because of we dont have the Quarterback that you insist upon…
Shady McCoy is an All-Pro running back…of course he will do well, Maclin will probably be hurt and ineffective..as for our offense we will be fine…Ertz will be a major factor this year, Matthews will step up as a receiver, and our running game will be fine with Murray, Matthews and Sproles!
The defense will be improved and with the improved play that we get at Quarterback….the offense will be more dominate….

The Eagles will be in the playoffs and win a playoff game this year…something we have not accomplished…and you naysayers will deny your negativity and proclaim that you were on board with Chip all the way….

I’ll be there to bust your ass and call you to the carpet so that you all can eat crow and kiss ass properly!
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IrishEagle
April 20, 2015 – 11:43 pm

If Bradford is successful here and Foles is a complete flop in St Louis then you, Vinniedaloser, haveablunt, mhenski, and other doom and gloom naysayers will be embarrassed.

Please STFU koolbreeze – If Bradford is successful here and Foles is a hit by a truck I will be the happiest season ticket holder at the Linc.

Please stop assuming that people have the same unnatural and unhealthy feelings for Nick Foles as you have for Mike Vick…. If Nick Foles never plays another NFL game I could give a shit.

I’m an Eagles fan… Unlike you, I don’t carry a torch for any ex-Eagles player.
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E-money
April 20, 2015 – 7:15 pm

I hate all of the QBs on the roster, can we cut them all and start over?

Butt- fumble is still my least favorite for sucking royally last season.
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gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 – 7:22 pm

Don’t think it’s a coincidence that neither Evan Mathis nor dion jordan showed up for offseason workouts
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 7:31 pm

Draft Day Trade
Eagles Send Evan Mathis & Marcus Smith II to the Dolphins for Dion Jordan
No picks involved…
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gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 – 7:45 pm

I don’t see it paulman Like I’ve stated before marcus smith fits the dolphins less than dion jordan.
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JawanCarter
April 20, 2015 – 7:52 pm

yummy, that is one fine looking man in Dion.
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vinnietheevictor
April 20, 2015 – 7:52 pm

Funny article on Grantland today….might as well be the onion…continue the madness says Andrew Sharp……

Dear Chip,

“So far this offseason, Chip Kelly has traded his best offensive player, spent a ton of money on two overrated running backs, abandoned the receiver position, and paid Seattle’s third corner to be the foundation of his secondary. Then came Tebow. Honestly, I wasn’t completely onboard until Tebow.

Tebow is definitive proof that Chip is just screwing with everyone. He is trolling the universe. He is standing in the middle of the Colosseum, undaunted, screaming back at the masses. I like it. I respect it. Sometimes you have to go a little crazy to stay sane. Sometimes you have to get lost to find yourself. Burn the trees to save the forest.

But there’s one more move on the board here.

There’s one more bullet in the chamber.

It’s time to pick up the money phone and make the call.

I’m not terribly familiar with Chat Sports, but I want to believe. I need to believe. Chip has definitely considered it, right?

I don’t want to watch an Eagles team that’s gone 90 percent crazy. Let’s push this to 110. Let’s make the rumors real.

Remember the bombs in Die Hard: With a Vengeance? The red syrup and the white syrup? That’s Tim Tebow and Johnny Manziel, together in the same shotgun formation.

This is not a joke.

The only move in Chip’s hair-on-fire, buck-naked-in-the-coach’s-office, huffing-ether-for-eight-weeks-straight offseason that still doesn’t make sense is the Sam Bradford trade. Bradford is the glitch in this program. There’s not a chance in hell he stays healthy for 16 games, and even if he does, what are you really building if Bradford is the foundation?

It’s time to fix the glitch.

Coach Elon Musk deserves better than Sam Bradford.

Manziel is out of rehab now, it looks like he is committed to taking football seriously, and if he were ever going to succeed anywhere in the NFL, it would be with Chip and this Eagles offense. Why waste time trading away 15 picks for Marcus Mariota when you can get basically the same quarterback for 10 cents on the dollar from Cleveland?

Five years of sports have been building toward Tebow, Manziel, and Chip locking arms in the City of Brotherly Love. Also, did I mention that trading Bradford to the Browns means Eagles fans don’t have to watch him get hurt five weeks into the season? And what about how Manziel is the perfect quarterback to run Chip’s scheme? We should be rooting for this move because it would be the funniest thing ever, but it’s also just crazy enough to work.

Chip Kelly stared down into the volcano of takes, and rather than slowly back away, he did a swan dive to the bottom. Now it’s time for an eruption. Chip can burst out of the mountain, surfing on hot lava all the way to the playoffs, with an H-back from heaven and a quarterback who was put on this earth to play in this offense.

This GIF can be the Eagles’ offseason if Chip makes the call.

manzielmagic

While the rest of us pin our tails between our legs and follow the leader, Chip Kelly is the man who’s not afraid to dream bigger.

It’s time to make the dream a reality.”
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E-money
April 20, 2015 – 8:16 pm

You’re high.
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IrishEagle
April 21, 2015 – 12:40 am

What are you really building if Bradford is the foundation?

Ding Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner! That’s the best question!

I love the hair-on-fire, buck-naked-in-the-coach’s-office comment too…
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koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 – 3:13 am

“What are you really building if Bradford is the foundation?”

What a dumb question. What were you building if Foles was the foundation?

The bottom line that so many of you grumblers just dont seem to understand is that there are not many good, franchise QB’s in the NFL! They are terribly difficult to obtain. What Kelly has done is take a calculated gamble. He recognized that he could not build any ‘foundation’ with Nick Foles…he evaluated Foles and saw the futility of that…he recognizes that he probably does not have enough to obtain Mariota in the draft…he cant go from the 20th pick to the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft….
So he is taking a wise and calculated gamble…he sized the opportunity to get a QB with more talent than what he previously had..

New Orleans took the same gamble with Drew Brees, when they signed him as a free agent after coming off of a serious shoulder injury where he tore his rotator cuff on his throwing arm!

New Orleans could have stayed with the sub par Aaron Brooks at QB…they could have given Todd Bouman the job…

They took a gamble on Drew Brees..and won a Super Bowl with him…

Will that happen here?? I dont know…but given what we had at Quarterback, Chip Kelly thinks its worth the shot…

I agree wholeheartedly…

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IrishEagle
April 21, 2015 – 7:41 am

The one big difference being that Drew Brees was a pro bowl QB with the Chargers. He went to a Saints team that was 3-13 the previous year… and the Saints gave the Chargers nothing.

Wow – what a chance the Saints took..

The Eagles wayyyyyyyyy overpaid for a lemon… Wake up koolbreez
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paulman
April 21, 2015 – 9:44 am

As i stated since the Bradford for Foles Trade
I had no Problem with the Kelly moving on from Foles for clearly he was not his type of QB to fully run his System, and I am not so sure that even less mobile QB Sam Bradford is either…
Bottom line to me, is if Kelly was going to make the move, then get your QB who you know can run your System which means Mariota
and not the 2 ACL Torn Knee – Limited Mobility wise Sam Bradford..
Kelly has F’d up this entire Off-Season since Free-Agency Hit
I thought he did a nice job by shedding older high-dollar players in Cole, Herremans, Casey & Cary Williams to creat some Cap Space to get Younger, Bigger and Faster…
Even moving McCoy was ok since they got a nice young promising ILB in Kiko Alonso in Return
But signing 2 RB’s for a Total of $12 Million when this is the Deepest RB Class in Years did not make sense, Sign 1 of them but not both
Overpaying QB M Sanchez, WR M Austin when it appears there was a limited market on both Players gives me the sense that Kelly/Marynowitz Team simply don’t have a real good pulse of current NFL Player Market
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vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 – 10:37 am

Comparing Bradford to Drew Brees??

I might as well announce 1-37 right now because you got at least things wrong with that statement!

1 – Brees was a FA, and Saints gave up nothing for him. Not at all like Eagles with Bradford. 1-34
2 – Signed to a 6 year deal….EXCEPT it was really a 1 year deal where Saints held all options. If Brees stunk, or shoulder problems, he could easily be released as majority of bonuses kicked in AFTER the first season…but if he was awesome, Saints had him for the remaining 5 years!! If Bradford is amazing, he can leave to highest bidder. 1-35
3 – Brees had missed 4 games in 4 years. Bradford has missed 31 in 5. He had the shoulder problem, but was back throwing…AND Saints insulated themselves with the contract….Bradford still can’t walk out on to the field.1-36
4 – Brees, the 2 years previous was 20-11 65% 7600 yrds 51tds and 22 ints. Bradford…forget it…its pathetic. 1-37.

I mean….man……too easy 1-37.
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IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 10:55 am

Sanchez didnt get overpaid…thats the going rate for backup QBs. You merely have to go look at what the Bills paid to bring a terrible Kyle Orton with no preseason time in as a backup last year.

Miles Austin is a flyer contract that only cost 1milliion for the year. Also if they cut him in the offseason and he wants to continue playing I believe another team picks him up that offsets the amount. Could be getting things messed up.

But for 1 million hes not a bad signing at all. If he has anything left nice one year pickup. If not he gets cut early in the preseason so he can catch on elsewhere.
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paulman
April 21, 2015 – 11:30 am

Kyle Orton is a very Poor Example for the BIlls didn’t even have a Clear #1 last Year and is was no Secret that Previous HC there lost all confidence in EJ Manuel, So in Essence, Orton was brought it to be their Starter once he got up to speed…
Look around the NFL, what are Back-up QB’s averaging Pay Wise … $1.5 to $2.5 Per Season… Not the $5.5 that Sanchez is getting…
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 11:40 am

There you go flip flopping again. So last year the Bills QB situation was no clear no.1 and this year with the same EJ Manuel that is a bust….and a jourenyman backup QB its different.

Seriously come up with something better than trolling.
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 12:17 pm

The top 10 avg of top paid backups is about 4 million…where the hell are you getting 1.5?

Come on man.
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 12:24 pm

Josh McCown is getting 4.6
Chad Henne 4mil
Matt Cassell/Brian Hoyer 5.5 mil
Fitzpatrick 3.6
Ryan Mallet 3.5
Chase Daniel 3.3
Shaun Hill 3.25
MATT HASSELBECK 3MIL

Even Drew Stanton and Matt Moore are making above 2.5mil

AND YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT MARKET VALUE?
Biglion821
April 21, 2015 – 12:47 pm

Sanchez at a hundred bucks a week is overpaid he’s a bum who will start at least 5 games with the current crop of crap taking snaps for our Philadelphia Eagles. Damn!!!!
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 12:50 pm

Thats besides the point Big. But in this version of a QB needy NFL he is considered one of the better backups in the league.

Hoyer and Cassell getting 5.5 mil almost had me through 40yd out routes in the parking lot to no one.
paulman
April 21, 2015 – 1:33 pm

Check the Pats, Giants, Steelers, Bengals, Ravens,Bears, Packers,Lions, Titans, Panthers,Falcons,Texans,Cowboys, Chargers, Broncos,Seahawks,Cardinals Back-Up QB’s

You have some Guys on your list who were the Starting QB going into last Season like Chade Henne, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer and Matt Cassell… What was Texans Ryan Mallets Salary for 2014 ? The $3.5 Million you state reflects his new Deal for This Year as he goes in as the Texans Starter for 2015 ? but you know “Market Value” your Jack-Off…
paulman
April 21, 2015 – 1:35 pm

The NFL has 32 Back-Up QB’s and not 10…
Figure the Average out for all 32 Teams Back-Up QB’s at the Start of the Last Season and then get back to us..
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 1:50 pm

Sorry Chimp Boy your theory is shot to shit. The top backup QBs in the league make on average above 3 million.

Which means that the market value for top backup QBs that.

Sit down rethink you chimp theories and get back to me.
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 1:51 pm

More proof Paulmans Chimp Boy logic….

The Texans have not named a starter…have given two QBS almost 4 million to fight it out and one will be the starter and they are open to drafting another.

So that would mean one of their backup QBS…is making 4 million this year almost…GUARANTEED.

SHUT UP CHIMP BOY. STOP TALKING
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 2:00 pm

On top of that Chimp Boy…the ones you stated as starters were backups brought in to keep the seat warm while transitioning to another QB. Low rent backup QUALITY QBs to get by on until something else came up.

THE EXACT SAME THING HERE WITH SANCHEZ.

SHUT UP CHIMPBOY.
paulman
April 21, 2015 – 2:11 pm

About 10 Teams have Back-Up QB’s who Make North of $3 Million which 2/3rds of the Teams have Back-ups making $1.5 to $2.5 so when you average out all 32 Teams Back-Up QB’s Positions they Average to about $2-$2.5 Million..
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 2:18 pm

I could care less about Sanchez or his money honestly. But the harping on his contract is nonsense. Its unfortunate for us that with Foles/Bradford we will or would have seen Sanchez on the field regardless.

Sanchez is what he is….if you can run the ball and keep teams off balance he can win games but he is definitely not the answer. The numbers he put up in this offense last year made fools look worse good or bad. Foles sits in the pockets and takes beatings and will be hurt. You need a QB that can win you games when the starter goes down or keeps a warm til you find the guy.

We still dont know what is going on QB and probably wont until the first snap of week 1.
paulman
April 21, 2015 – 2:25 pm

So after ranting for 4-5 Posts about Back-Up QB Pay and even mentioned a few exceptions, now you don’t care much about Back-up QB Pay… Your an Ass and were Wrong again…

5-6-7-8 Back-up QB’s don’t make for a 32 Back-up QB Average
Do your F’n Homework…
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 2:27 pm

Youre talking about doing homework? Chimp Boy you went from 1.5 million exaggerations to wrong pointing out the QB situation in Houston.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK CHIMPBOY.
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 2:31 pm

Exceptions top out at 2-3 not 10. The market value for top backups is above 3 million.

The Titans have a 6th round pick starting…with a 3mil vet back up.

Oh yeah tell me how its just the exception….

SHUT UP CHIMPBOY.
paulman
April 21, 2015 – 3:07 pm

What are you IJ, thick as a F’nm Brick…

There are 32 Teams all with Back-ups…
You keep saying the Average Salary of the “Top Back-Up QB’s”
I stated from the get go the Average of “All 32 Back-Up QB’s ”
You are one Dumb MF… who can’t or won’t comprehend a Damn Thing, Can You.. You Stupid Ass Amateur..
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 3:13 pm

You poo slinging idiot. Of course there are 32 backups….do you really think they are 32 quality starting backup QBs in the league?

Thats why Blaine Gabbert a certified bust is getting 2 million to backup in SF?

Of course you can be a little troll and covet the number so you can feel like your right but you know what the argument is about. They gave 4.5 million to guy to be a backup with the ability to start and win some games. No different than Hoyer etc.

Even funnier when you spouted off about the Bills QB situation and they gave Cassell the same type of contract we gave Sanchez.

STOP TALKING CHIMPBOY.
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 3:16 pm

IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 12:17 pm

The top 10 avg of top paid backups is about 4 million…where the hell are you getting 1.5?

Come on man.

Typical Paulman…when proven wrong…trolling and poo slinging….
vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 – 3:20 pm

Why do you keep referring to Sanzhez as a “top backup??”
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 3:24 pm

In this league Vinnie thats what he is. We can argue the merit of it but in this QB shortage leage where there is at best 20 QBs for 32 teams Sanchez is a top backup.

Just look at the salaries given out to quasi stop gaps and backups.

Brian Hoyer turned an abysmal stretch that eliminated the Browns from the playoffs….into 5.5. million and probably the starter in Houston….a Houston team that gave 3.25 to Ryan Mallet….and are rumored to be in on a QB in the draft possibly Marriotta.
koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 – 11:44 am

Irish Eagle, what was the legitimate option for the Eagles Quarterback situation?

Snap out of it Irish…Kelly has the unique, up-close and personal look at Nick Foles and he knew he wasn’t good enough….so the question becomes how do you upgrade the QB position?

You take a calculated gamble!

You study the guys film…and you see on film a very accurate QB that makes quick decisions with the ball playing with a sub-par offensive line, no receivers at all.

As an offensive coach if you can get a bum like Sanchez to put up career numbers and throw for over 60% you are have to be confident that you can get that and more from a better QB like Bradford…

So you talk to your medical people, talk to James Andrews…and if you like what they say you pull the trigger why?

He is the best option available…you dont have nearly enough to move up and get Mariota…the QB’s after Mariota and Winston are sub-par backups…there is nothing else available…so you pull the trigger and do what it takes to get the best available QB to upgrade you team and take a shot at winning.
What you dont do is go on the cheap worrying about money…you dont go overboard protecting draft picks who might not pan out anyway…

You pull the trigger and take the shot
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 8:47 pm

*****Paulman Rumor*****

Eagles Send QB Bradford, DT F Cox & # 52 Pick to the Cleveland Browns
For their #12 Pick and QB Johnny Football & the Browns 2nd Round Pick in 2016

Eagles now have the 12th & 20th in the 1st Round

12th Pick – OT La’el Collins (LSU)
19th Pick – DL Arik Armstead (Oregon)

Sanchez opens Season as Starting QB with J Football & Tim Tebow battling it out as the back-up QB
As back-up
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 8:48 pm

That 19th should say the 20th…
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 8:50 pm

Make the Picks as follows

12th – DL Arik Armstead (Oregon)
20th – OL Jake Fisher (Oregon)
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alwaysphilly
April 20, 2015 – 9:00 pm

Pman you’re spewing a lot of hatred toward Kelly. Usually you do your homework but I can see you didn’t do your due diligence on this one. Yahoo news reported that Tebow has been working with Quarterback guru “Tom House” on improving his throwing motion. According to House; Tim Tebow is very acculturate now and spinning the ball like never before. Kelley signed Tebow on House’s recommendation.He goes on to say how Tebow has worked very hard over the last year and a half. All I’m saying is anything is possible.Go Eagles
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 9:13 pm

We all know that Tebow has been working hard with Tom House who used to be a Relief Pitcher for the Atlanta Braves and caught
The famous Hank Aaron 715 HR in the Left Field Bullpen back in the
70′s..
I am on record that I actually like the Tebow
Pickup for there is little to no risk
But I am also on record that I did not like
Obtaining Bradford, Signing Naxwell or Murray
And paid too much for Sanchez,Mikes Austin
But hey, it’s not my $$$$
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IzzellJenkins
April 20, 2015 – 9:02 pm

Tashaun Gipson Eric Weddle are hold outs.
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paulman
April 20, 2015 – 9:17 pm

Add Orkando Scandrick of the Cowboys
Almost every NFL Olayer that was Franchised
Dez Bryant, J Pierre Paul, Justin Houston,
Denarius Thomas , etc, etc…
This goes on every Off-Season as these initial workouts
Are voluntary and technically players under a Franchise Tag
Still have to sign their “Contracts” and will not participate
until Camp as to not get injured..
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Zukny
April 20, 2015 – 9:16 pm

This is how I’m looking at it:

Mr. Glass – aka Sam Bradford – Will be Injured by game 3
Sanchez – Will get booed out of town from game 3 through game 7
Tebow steps up and wins the superbowl!

Huge tebow fan LOL Why? I don’t know.. I guess I just can’t help but love the guys attitude.
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Biglion821
April 20, 2015 – 9:36 pm

Man I absolutely cannot stand the LLCB but he knows how to keep this franchise in the news cycle, can’t buy a damn jersey but he keeps our Eagles as the top story in the NFL.
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jakedog
April 20, 2015 – 9:58 pm

Welcome Tebow. Damn we are excited

The best acquisition since foles, they are a lot alike, but different.

Foles is a far more finished qb, a star in the works, potentially a big time qb whose best days are ahead

Tebow has much more to prove, yet he’s solid

This guy is grounded

He can run, he’s a hoss

Bradford does not have this guys toughness

Can’t wait to see how chip integrates this unique talent
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koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 11:18 pm

well if it isn’t old jakdog

back again huh!

Jake the racistdog

what brings u back?

LOL….Tebow….your kinda guy huh jakracistdog…LOL

figures…lol
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gloomysmitty
April 20, 2015 – 10:10 pm

That’s not a bad trade paulman but I think the other 3 team deal is better cause I think cox can get you late 1st on his own and Bradford is already worth a 1st so the Browns would be getting to much
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paulman
April 21, 2015 – 9:56 am

Bradford is not Worth a #1 Pick.. I am not buying that for a minute.. All that Cleveland Browns Noise means nothing and doesn’t dictate Market Value

Eagles would still keep their #20 PIck and Gain back a 2nd Rounder in 2016 that they lost to the Rams in obtaining Bradford in the 1st Place
and rid themselves of the wasteful $13 Million that Bradford would cost them in lame duck 2015 Season

Browns still keep their #19 Pick while adding QB Bradford & DL F Cox
plus get a 2nd Round Pick (#54) and rid of themselves of last years mistake Johnny Football
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deserteagle
April 20, 2015 – 10:30 pm

Gloomy ..careful ,you’re turning into the Chimp..slinging stuff …this whole offer of a number one for bradford ,was something chip got taken on..don’t see it from any other angle..best case scenario ..he understands his transgression ,and he’s insuring and stacking the deck, he will become in my opinion a desperate man ,on draft day ..He now knows he was caught in a game of poker and he’s holding a couple of number cards and there all a different suit..simply put ..he got played..Yes cleveland , offered a 1 for bradford ,if he’d restructure his 13 million dollar ….say it louder 13 million..that’s a big bag of cash…that’s on this rosters of birds top of the heap..he forgot the fine print…he’s got tebow ,sanchez,Bradford and prayers ..nobody’s offering a one for the gimp…and 13 large..
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deserteagle
April 20, 2015 – 11:28 pm

What pick would have the genius had if he had lost the giant game ? Not 20 ..he’s doing shit on the fly..if he had a plan he’d lose that game ..meant nothing ,but better draft position..
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deserteagle
April 20, 2015 – 11:32 pm

Paulman if that trade ever came with tebow and johnny football ..they can run the hey diddle diddle play of the 3 stooges..on the goal line …
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deserteagle
April 20, 2015 – 11:35 pm

Big..he keeps himself as the story …not the Eagles ..hes out to prove to the godfather in New England ..I’ll resurrect tebow ,when you couldn’t..
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koolbreeze
April 20, 2015 – 11:40 pm

The continual babble about paying Bradford $13million….so what…who cares how much money is placed in Bradford’s pocket…there is no doubt that he has more value than Nick Foles and more talent…its an upgrade in talent…and a one-year 13 million dollar gamble with Jeff Lurie’s money….

Again…who cares…his pockets are stuffed with money from all of those years we have been millions of dollars under the cap with sup-par, bum ass, no playoff win players!

The $13 million is a good gamble for a potential franchise QB that upgrades us from the cheap Qb we had that was also hurt, injured, and on the bench for key games….

The dumb ass spin that says Chip was ‘outmaneuvered’ is ridiculous….We had more cap room than most teams in the league…so we could afford to be aggressive and get Chip what he wants to take a shot at winning…

Most of you would have rather done what we have done over the past few years…sit tight…hope to luck up in the draft and still not have enough to win a playoff game…we’ve been there and done that…Chip Kelly is doing a great job at trying something new for a change!
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vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 – 12:19 am

“his pockets are stuffed with money from all of those years we have been millions of dollars under the cap with sup-par, bum ass, no playoff win players!”

Sigh…another idiot that thinks the salary cap is real $$.

Wrong again.

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koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 – 2:42 am

LOL…your such a dumb ass Vinniedafool

You cant put a fact to a correct conclusion to save your ass…

All of the NFL Owners rake in massive revenues from television, from sponsorships, from ticket sales, and other ventures…

They pay player salaries from that revenue fool ass!

The millions that the Eagles are under the cap simply makes millions more of Eagles revenue available to Jeff Lurie….dumb ass. Revenue that far exceeds the maximum amount of dollars that can possibly spent on the salary allotment to the Players-the salary cap…fool ass

No one said that the salary cap was ‘actual dollars’….

Mystery statements, fudging the facts, cant put a clear ‘fact’ to a logical conclusion…

Vinniedaloser you are a dumb ass!
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vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 – 8:33 am

It took months to re-educate Songs, now I have to do the same to you.

You are confusing 2 separate entities.

1 – The salary cap
2 – Actual salaries paid to players – payroll

The first….the salary cap…is fantasy economics. Not real $$. bunch of accounting tricks that a good “capologist” (accountant) can fudge to maneuver around the imposed “cap”

For years, the Eagles were excellent at this. They always had “cap room”….”cap room” that idiots like yourself equated to real dollars.

You would make retarded statements like the one above saying Lurie, “his pockets are stuffed with money from all of those years we have been millions of dollars under the cap…..”

You think that because the Eagles were 20 mill under the “cap” (or whatever amount), Lurie was pocketing that $20 mill.

He wasn’t. Because its not real $$.

In terms of actuall payroll….real $$ paid to players, not fantasy accounting tricks used to circumvent an accounting rule…in terms of real $$ paid to real players….the Eagles have been in the top 10 every year of Lurie’s ownership. In fact, for the majority of his time here, the Eagles have been in ht e top 5, and were always top 3 in the NFC champ game years.

In total, the Eagles are top 5 in terms of actual $$ to actual players over his ownership reign.

Has Lurie made a ton of $$. Of course he has. But cheap in terms of paying players? Pure fantasy.

A fantasy created and propagated by morons like yourself who can’t read past a newspaper headline and take whatever random phone in show callers shout as gospel.

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Mac Dolo
April 21, 2015 – 3:17 pm

COMBO BREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 – 3:21 pm

HAHAHAHAHA Mac Dolo you just took me back to Federal St. Pizza shops and quarter challenges “I got next”.

Killer Instinct vs MK…..who ya got!!!

LOL
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koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 – 3:59 pm

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Vinnie…I know using your brain gives you headaches..

You cant put a fact to a correct conclusion to save your ass…

You fudge ‘facts’ and you create fantasy straw man arguments

So your always wrong…

First, my argument was not that that Lurie was cheap…idiot! He is like the rest of the NFL owners…greedy and cashing in big time on massive earnings from the NFL…So to say he’s not pocketing massive revenues that the NFL generates is ridiculous.

“in terms of real $$ paid to real players….the Eagles have been in the top 10 every year of Lurie’s ownership”

Vinniedafool…you are dead wrong again!! This year is the first year they have cracked the top ten in cash paid to players under Chip Kelly!

In 2011, they were 13th in the league in cash paid to players
In 2012 they were 14th in cash paid to players
In 2013, they were towards the bottom- 20th in the league in cash paid to players
In 2014, they were 12th in the league in cash paid

Facts wrong, misplaced, fumbling, and stumbling about…you are all confused Vinniedaloser!

This year 2015 is the first year they have cracked the top ten with Chip Kelly as the coach! They have moved to 4th…

Thus, there is a direct correlation to money spent under the salary cap to direct dollars spent you idiot!

Much of the Cap space created by the Eagles came from carrying over unused cap space from the previous years. The years they were saving all of that money in low player salaries. They haven’t signed big name players…they didn’t pay a major salary to any franchise QB-and they have created more cap space by carrying it over.

The salary cap represents a minimum and a maximum percentage of this generated revenue that must be allocated to Players salaries. As a result, the revenue is ALWAYS available!

So the salary cap does have a relation to the ‘real dollars’ teams spend. When a team spends $20 million under the maximum amount allotted by the salary cap it constitutes a saving of ‘real dollars’ of available revenue that is not directed towards players salaries!
Each year that you are this far under the cap represents bucks that Lurie can put away in his pocket and this doesn’t mean he is ‘cheap’…it means he can do what all NFL owners are doing…making massive amounts of money…

Vinniedaloser…just stop…your pathetic!

It is fools like you who keep harping on money that act as if Lurie is going broke by way of player salaries…

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 21, 2015 4:06 pm

Vinnie…I know using your brain gives you headaches..

You cant put a fact to a correct conclusion to save your ass…

You fudge ‘facts’ and you create fantasy straw man arguments

So your always wrong…

First, my argument was not that that Lurie was cheap…idiot! He is like the rest of the NFL owners…greedy and cashing in big time on massive earnings from the NFL…So to say he’s not pocketing massive revenues that the NFL generates is ridiculous.

“in terms of real $$ paid to real players….the Eagles have been in the top 10 every year of Lurie’s ownership”

Vinniedafool…you are dead wrong again!! This year is the first year they have cracked the top ten in cash paid to players under Chip Kelly!

In 2011, they were 13th in the league in cash paid to players
In 2012 they were 14th in cash paid to players
In 2013, they were towards the bottom- 20th in the league in cash paid to players
In 2014, they were 12th in the league in cash paid

Facts wrong, misplaced, fumbling, and stumbling about…you are all confused Vinniedaloser!

This year 2015 is the first year they have cracked the top ten with Chip Kelly as the coach! They have moved to 4th…

Thus, there is a direct correlation to money spent under the salary cap to direct dollars spent you idiot!

Much of the Cap space created by the Eagles came from carrying over unused cap space from the previous years. The years they were saving all of that money in low player salaries. They haven’t signed big name players…they didn’t pay a major salary to any franchise QB-and they have created more cap space by carrying it over.

So the salary cap does have a relation to the ‘real dollars’ teams spend. When a team spends $20 million under the maximum amount allotted by the salary cap it constitutes a saving of ‘real dollars’ of available revenue that is not directed towards players salaries!
Each year that you are this far under the cap represents bucks that Lurie can put away in his pocket and this doesn’t mean he is ‘cheap’…it means he can do what all NFL owners are doing…making massive amounts of money…

Vinniedaloser…just stop…your pathetic!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 21, 2015 5:29 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Sigh….so dumb

THERE IS NO CORRELATION TO $$ SPENT UNDER THE SALARY CAP TO DIRECT DOLLARS.

You’re still equating the two. Your #s are the Eagles Cap rankings, not their actual $$ paid out rankings….

….let me put it more simply….

Fletcher Cox is being paid 1.7 million real dollars this year, but his fantasy cap hit is 3.4.

Byron Maxwell is being paid 13.5 million real dollars this year, but his fantasy cap hit is 8.7

Demarco Murray is being paid 9 million real dolars this year, but his fantasy cap hit is 5

In 2017 he will be paid 7 million actual cash, but his fantasy cap hit will be 9

Have you figured out how this works yet?

Payroll is payroll….salary cap is an accounting trick.

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Butch007
Butch007
April 20, 2015 11:53 pm

…has something to add to the team…Really?????

I can think of only one thing he can add to the team that someone like Dennis Dixon couldn’t.

Just ridiculous.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 10:58 am

For the stat junkies…Espn Insider has an article with their QBASE rating system. Project Mariotta as elite. Winston as bust on par with Tim Couch.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 12:00 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

No One Cares about the QBASE Rating System

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 12:18 pm
Reply to  paulman

Lmao no one cares about your flip flopping Chimp Boy.

Get your facts straight.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 3:18 pm

Amateur? LMAO tell me again how the Texans signed Ryan Mallet to be there starting QB for the future for 3.25 million…..then gave Brian Hoyer 5.5 million?

S.T.F.U. CHIMPBOY

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 3:53 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

HC O’Brien stated that Mallet is his #1 coming into Camp, but Mallet is unproven so they went out and overspent for B Hoyer in case Mallet ends up like Kevin Kolb..
The Jets were in contention for Hoyer as well ..

Whats the Back-up QB’s on the Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, Bengals, Lions, Titans,Panthers,Falcons,Cowboys,TB Bucs, Broncos, Chargers,49ers, Seahawks,Cardinals,Redskins,Packers, Rams, Jets, Bills Making .. That’s right, South of $3 Million

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 4:07 pm
Reply to  paulman

Really…you mean the Bill Obrien who o Feb 6th of this year said the following…

Coming into next season, Texans coach Bill O’Brien says there will be an open competition for the starting job. “We’ll make the right decision and it will probably be a competition,” O’Brien said. “It will be something where guys come in and compete and have to win the job and that’s the way it should be and that’s what we’re looking to do.”

And that was with Fitzpatrick still on the roster and not signing Brian Hoyer to 5.5. million.

That HC O’brien?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 4:17 pm
Reply to  paulman

Matt Cassell makes more than 3 million.

And is in the same position as Sanchez…..

3/4 of the rest are considered Franchise QBs which means teams are more likely to draft a backup or go supercheap because of the money invested at the position. None of their backups are looked upon as having to start outside of dire emergency.

But a guy like Cassell, Chad Henne, Sanchez and the like are looked upon to possibly spot start or stop gap while the heir apparent takes over.

Come on man…I know you are smarter than this Chimp Boy.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 4:49 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Cassell will likely be the Starter for the Bills leaving their Back-up
EJ Manuel who probably earns $2 Million

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 21, 2015 8:48 pm
Reply to  paulman

Paulman you don’t bring Greg Roman for Matt Cassell.

Manuel will get the chance to fall on his face first followed by Cassell.

And if Shady isn’t dynamic from Game 1 watch how Fred Jackson becomes Rex Ryan’s best friend. There will be no cuts on dimes in Buffalo from early to mid November on.

paulman
paulman
April 21, 2015 10:09 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Greg Roman should be the best thing that’s happened to EJ Manuel
As far as his NFL Career goes, but if Rex Ryan doesn’t feel good about him early on and over the Summer, Rex Ryan will go with the more experienced Matt Cassell..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 12:23 am
Reply to  paulman

Greg Roman is terrible. The offense in SF last two years was stale and unimaginative plus he couldn’t build on the read option utilized during CKs first run.

He was called out repeatedly last year about his scheme etc

paulman
paulman
April 22, 2015 7:28 am
Reply to  paulman

QB C Kapernick was terrible for he can’t read Defenses, TE V Davis was invisible, WR M Crabtree another under achiever
HC in Turmoil, a bad scene in SF all last Season as I stated it would be last Summer..
It’s never works out good when HC is in a lame duck… Check the Eagles in AR final Seasom..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 10:42 am
Reply to  paulman

Or Paulman Greg Roman couldnt scheme his way out of a paperbag without LBs biting on the read option etc.

Roman sucks. He should have easily been the top candidate for the HC position there if he and CK and that offense could produce.

paulman
paulman
April 22, 2015 11:19 am
Reply to  paulman

Roman should have left the 49ers a year earlier before the HArbaugh Lame-Duck Season occurred…
Roman worked wonders with Alex Smith and Kapernick played well in 2012 and then regressed a little in 2013 and more in 2014 which is more on Kapernick than Roman in my Opinion,,,
DO note that the 49ers Organization would not allow any Staff to Interview for Promotions or HC Jobs in 2012 & 2013 so Roman, Fangio, Seeley were all stuck in SF along with Harbaugh which is where a lot of the resentment started with the 49ers Front Office…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 11:49 am
Reply to  paulman

IMO thats a ton of excuse making for lack of offensive production. Players definitely have to execute but scheme that offense was horrendous. When the read option isnt effective with probably the 2nd best read option QB in the league it shows the league has caught up to your offense.

jakedog
jakedog
April 21, 2015 9:19 pm

Izell you are a bitch

You defend every move from this little shit head kelly makes

You must be his little bitch

You are worse than the little lying pussy bitch navy eagle

You are a comical little tampon bitch

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 12:14 am
Reply to  jakedog

Hey its jake the racist gay black porn lover…

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
April 22, 2015 8:32 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Jaktheracistdog…you refuse to learn your a joke
A disgrace

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 1:03 pm

Eagles had to sign Tebow.

My grandmother always said, “things always happen in threes”.

Eagles had 2 first round busts on the roster at QB. Had to add the third.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 2:08 pm

Todd McShay continues with mocking Landon Collins to the Birds at 20. I am bigger than most on Alabama players…I don’t see it with Collins. I think he gets exposed in coverage.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 2:27 pm

WalterFootballs current mock has the Eagles going WR at 20 selecting Agholor…in doing so they bypass Strong/Perriman/Beckham who are available.

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 22, 2015 2:41 pm

Could you just imagine the circus a QB trio of Mariota, Johnny Football and Tebow would be? LLCB needs to make this happen.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 2:56 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

you stole that line from the Grantland article.

Frankly, I’m excited by the whole prospect.

Right now all Chip has done is build the ramp, fill the shark tank and start the motor……we’re not all in till the Fonz is flying through the air….Cash $$ style!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 2:54 pm

As I’ve said for several years, I’m not going to select one player or another at this point because neither you, me, nor any NFL scout actually has any idea if any of these players is going to work out.

So I just look at areas of need. And they are: CB, S, OL, WR, QB.

Looking at draft that are out there….players ranked 17-30….in that group there are at least 3 CBs, 3 WR, 3 OL and 1 S around that range.

Those are all positions of need on the Eagles, so I think the prudent move there is to trade down, grab another pick or 2…perhaps to replace the 4 given away in the got bent over trade.

Trade down from 20 to 25 (or so) still pretty much guarantees one of those positions.

The wildcard is Jake Fisher…he makes a lot of sense for the Eagles, but I think the 20s are too early. Perhaps trade down in the 1st grab a guy at 25, then use what was gained in the trade to move up in the 2nd to get Fisher.

Picture Tebow running in behind Johnson and Fisher on the right side? (I have a feeling that scene won’t just be in our imaginations come Late October…..)

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 3:12 pm

I think they trade down if they are out of the Marriotta sweepstakes.

Jake Fisher may be a little high at 20…but I seen mocks where he doesnt get out of the first 4-5 picks of the 2nd. Could be similiar to when the Cowboys nabbed Frederick earlier than expected and look how that worked out.

You are trolling with the Tebow line.

Jake

Jeff Kolsky
April 22, 2015 3:41 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

I’ve been looking at teams that have an “extra” 3rd round pick, as I’m open to trading down as well if Mariota doesn’t happen.

The Saints at pick 31 and Pats at pick 32 both need help in the secondary and both have an extra pick in round 3.

Going from 20 to spot 31 or 31 I’d expect more then just a 3rd in return, and I think the Eagles could certainly land Fisher at the end of round 1. Even if the Eagles opted to use that late 1 on a cb/s/wr, round 3 has some guys at both the OL and WR that could start this season.

It’s hard for me to think that Chip would trade back and not get “his” guy, but with everything else that Chip does, trying to predict what he does is going to drive you nuts.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 4:08 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

I was trolling with the Tebow line…..but only sort of.

The starting QB has missed 60% of his NFL career. The backup absolutely sucks.

If Bradford is hurt, I think its more than a 50/50 proposition the 3rd string QB sees the field.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 4:11 pm

IMO that 3rd string QB will be a drafted QB from this years draft.

If Tebow makes the team it will be because Kelly convinced to be a short yardage goalline utility player.

Enough with Tebow though….the contract they signed him to alone shows that even they dont envision him making it as a QB.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 4:20 pm

As for trading up/down…I think down is the prudent move.

As for Mariotta I have not yet seen one plausible scenario presented anywhere that could get the Eagles to #1 or #2.

The “If he drops” business troubles me. I already feel this front office is just drunkenly lurching from one heat of the moment scenario to another as it is.

I am worried that these guys are…”we’re good with Foles….What Bradford’s there? Get him! We’re good with Bradford….What Mariotta is there? Hold the presses, change everything again!”

Honestly, what team – ever – has traded their starting QB for another starting QB – introduced the new guy in a press conference – and then traded that new guy for another new guy? While at the same time signing one of the biggest QB lightning rods as a backup along the way?

(that being said – where IS Bradford? Is he ever on Philly radio? News shows? Call in programs? Guy is a ghost. And no contract???

Rip Reid all you want, but at least he came in with a plan.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 4:15 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

Jeff I agree….I think they will be trading back from 20 if they miss out on Marriotta.

However dropping all the way back to 31 is a bit steep. With the way the draft is setup up now its almost better to just have the first pick in the 2nd round then have the last pick in the first.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 4:17 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

Also have you seen the PFT talk article with the Marriotta trade scenarios involving the Birds/Browns/Titans.

I thought those at one point were not possible however having the Titans get three 1st round picks and the Eagles only having to give up 2 of them with the Browns facilitating the third is quite possible.

I think Schefter knows something we dont. Makes sense that rumor comes out then he goes on radio and gives credence to the idea.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 4:24 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Those scenarios make absolutely no sense at all.

They involve the Browns giving up their 12 and 19 to the Eagles for Bradford and the Eagles 2016 first rounder?

That’s completely absurd.

Browns have already backed out of the Bradford derby when he wouldn;t accept his salary being cut in half.

Bradford has said he will not sign an extension with the Browns

So why, on Gods green Earth, would the Browns now offer MORE…the 12th and the 19th for a QB who has already said he won;t play for them????? And for a pick that will most likely be lower than 12 next year.

I shook my head reading those scenarios today.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 5:12 pm

Unless you heard it from the agent or Bradfords mouth those contract demands are nonsense.

Youre telling me Bradford wont lock himself into another deal guaranteed if offered by say the browns that 3 yr guaranteed money deal that gives him this years money and 10-20 million on top of that.

Bradford and his agent arent talking because they have been filled in on the ENTIRE situation. He could stay or he could go. Be fluid and he is going to be rewarded either way. Contract extension if he goes to a new team and if he stays here ability to put big numbers in an offense if healthy and get an even bigger payday.

paulman
paulman
April 22, 2015 6:11 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

For Arguments Sake,
It does Bradford no good to many any Deal with anyone right now
and especially on a Team like the Browns..
Let’s Say he remains an Eagles for 2015 and he remains Healthy and puts up a Huge Year For Him and for the Eagles and goes to the Playoffs, etc,etc
He would then be able to go out on the Market next Off-Season as the Biggest Free-Agent QB open to all bidders that the NFL hasn’t seen in Years..
He’s already earned $58 Million his first 4 Seasons with the Rams so $$$ is not really an issue for him, but he is going to decide on his own Terms on where to play next and I imagine if he plays well in Philly that he wound want to remain an Eagle, but if he stays healthy and plays well, even if the Team Falters, he will still have Options comes 2015
There is No Sense in Bradford extending a Deal with any Team right now..

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 6:20 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Disagree. This isnt the NBA. With no guaranteed contracts and his injury history new money is new money. He would be foolish to take below average money but a short term guarantee contract in the 2-3 year range that guarantees this years and next years money with renegotiation before the third makes sense.

Bradford has no guarantee right now outside of his 13 milliion. So theres the gamble 13 for this year or say something like 20-30 million for the next 3 years possibly.

Just my opinion. Ive been around a ton of players out here and they all say the same thing…guaranteed money is guaranteed money.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 5:17 pm

The plan will be for all to see in 9 days good or bad.

Spare me with Reid having a plan. Reid and his arrogance no different than Chip Kelly.

The difference was he had 2 cornerstones to build a defense around and a top 5 pick to get a QB.

On top of that look at the Seahawks QB situation all the way up to them drafting RW. They went through QBs like water.

Until you have a franchise QB…you dont have a franchise QB and you keep turning over rocks no matter what.

Foles was not that guy. So he got flipped. Same will happen to Bradford etc.

paulman
paulman
April 22, 2015 6:20 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

The Only Difference is that Kelly is not into Year #3 of a 5 Year Deal.. He really needs to get his QB this Year .. he can’t really afford to wait to next Year or later..
Seattle and Pete Carrol got RW in his 3rd Season as HC after going thru Tavaris Jackson, Charlie Whitehurst and then went out and got Matt Flynn who still didn’t cut it before Drafting Russell Wilson in 2012
If there is no move to get Mariota and Bradford doesn’t work in 2015 or gets Hurt, then 2015 is a wastes Season which Kelly cannot afford and then will have to address the QB position once again next Draft.. or maybe make a Deal for a Cam Newton, RG3 or whoever else is out there…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 6:24 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

If there are at or near the top of the division and make the playoffs during that span he has all the time to get what he needs IMO.

I would lean more to your argument if he didnt have full say….but until that is taken away then I see otherwise.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 7:06 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

The only “Guaranteed” $$ Bradford was offered was 3 years at 6.5 per from the Browns. Why on Earth would he take that, when he gets 13 this year??? 13 this year, or 19 over 3??? With the opportunity to make 10x more after this season?

When he’s already earned 70 million on his stupid rookie contract??

No kidding he won’t even talk to the Browns.

The Browns are not trading anything for Bradford.

He’s told them to fuck off.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
April 22, 2015 4:32 pm

wonder if the Titans would have accepted
Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Nick Foles, Lesean McCoy, Evan Mathis, 2014 & 2015 Eagles First Round Picks, and a 2016 second round pick last year for Marriotta if he entered the draft in 2014?

Biglion821
Biglion821
April 22, 2015 4:37 pm

Damn good point E0S.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
April 22, 2015 4:42 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

LOL

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
April 22, 2015 5:06 pm

No the Titans wouldnt…because every one of those players would be looking or need a new contract.

haveacigar
haveacigar
April 22, 2015 6:23 pm

Zero I see your point but toast is correct…that trade would add about $50 million to their cap…