• April 18, 2024

Is Chip Kelly Putting Sam Bradford In A Vulnerable Situation?

SamBradford&TerrellSuggs2I was shocked the first time during the Eagles practice, when I saw Sam Bradford keep the ball on a  read-option fake, then take off outside like he was going to run, then throw the ball backwards to the wide receiver outside.  If the defensive player would have committed outside to the wide receiver, Bradford would have kept the ball and run with it.

Could you imagine Bradford taking off on a run in a game?  I think Chip Kelly needs to rethink the idea of putting his ailing quarterback at risk.

“On the read-option there, [my responsibility is] the quarterback. It’s not my job to be reading. It’s his job to read me,” Suggs said. “When you run the read-option you have to know the rules. If you want to run the read-option with your starting quarterback that has had two knee surgeries, that’s on you.”

I know everybody is yelling for the head of Terrell Suggs today, but he may have done Kelly and the Eagles a favor by showing them that they’re putting Bradford at risk with the read option.  In a way, Eagles center Jason Kelce said he’s not mad at Suggs for doing his job, which is to make the sure the quarterback doesn’t run with the football.

“I’m sure that’s something they’re taught, to tackle the quarterback out of the read-option,” Kelce said. “I don’t think it was particularly dirty for him to hit the quarterback. I just thought it was a little weird that he went right after the knee area. But looking back on it, I don’t think it was anything malicious. I just think that he was playing the game.”

That could have been the last play Bradford participates in this year, but every time he fakes that handoff and runs out the fake, he puts himself in a situation where he could get hit.   The Eagles run the risk of losing him for the season.  I think this should be the last time, we see of Bradford running out the fakes on the read options.

Chip Kelly can continue to run the read option with Bradford, but he shouldn’t be running out those fakes because defenses are going to take away the other options and force Bradford to run with the football.

GCOBB

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paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 11:21 am

The Read-Option is a Staple of Chip Kelly’s Offense.. It’s what Kelly has done and the Passing Game is predicated off the Runs, Formations & Fakes of the Read-Option.. He’s Run it the last 2 Seasons with immobile QB’s Sanchez and Foles with pretty good Success.. Why can’t he run it with Bradford ?
Bradford is going to get hit as all QB’s do and as any QB playing in Chip Kelly’s Offense will do.. .It’s what he runs .. Now can he limit the attempts,
I guess, but that’s changing up his premise of his Offense..
What Suggs did is totally legal, Good Aggressive Players at that OLB Position are going to key on the QB on the Read-Option and hammer the QB as that what their Job and responsibility is …
It is what it is…

Bradford was hit 3 Times (Twice hard in that first Series which was also aided by 3 Ravens Penalties which kept the Drive Going..
If those Penalties were not called, then Bradford’s Performance may not have appeared to be all that good as everyone is posting about… Its a game of a couple of plays here and there.. There’s lots to improve on ..

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 12:15 pm

“What Suggs did is totally legal, Good Aggressive Players at that OLB Position are going to key on the QB on the Read-Option and hammer the QB as that what their Job and responsibility is …”

according to chip it wasnt an option play, it was a handoff, so if thats true its not legal at all

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 12:37 pm
Reply to  mhenski

It’s Football, You have to protect yourself on every snap as a QB and especially if your returning from Injury, it’s the way it is… Do I like Suggs, No I do not,
Do I expect him to play less aggressive because Bradford’s back there, No I do not.. Some Running Plays are from Read-Option FOrmation, some are straight Hand-offs like the Play in Question, Defenders are read and react on assignment Football and aren’t going to care from which formation it comes from, If Suggs assignment is to get to the QB, then that what he does which is what he ended up doing..
I am sure this will not be the last time that Bradford gets hit low this Season from Running Formations which most probably won’t be from many Read-option formations since Bradford is likely not to run many since the likelihood that he pulls the ball down and keeps it is minimal

drummerwinslow
August 24, 2015 1:07 pm

Excellent article, G! Kaepernick, RGIII and Russell Wilson have all been subject to such a defensive strategy. Wilson is the only one who generally avoids the big hits.

Chip may need to re-think his read-option strategy.

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 1:17 pm

Also note that Bradford played in a similar hurry-up – Somewhat of a read option, spread attack while at Oklahoma and enjoyed great success with it back in his College Days which is probably one of the Reasons why Kelly pursued Bradford knowing that he could handle the ball movement aspect as well as the fakes and passing out of similar formations..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 24, 2015 1:42 pm

Looked like a read option to me..in shot gun…both hands on ball as he feeds it to the rb…also looked like Suggs hit him in thigh area…I did not initially think this til I went back and looked at the play again.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
August 24, 2015 2:05 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I’m all about delivering the big shot and if you get a free clean shot on the QB you take it…

Eagle Bias aside….Suggs was being cheap as hell and intentionally going low….if he was really trying to blow him up he would have went straight through his ribs.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 2:37 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Chip is playing with semantics there- in other words thet QB did not have an option- however the action was RO… as for them running very little option, he is correct just like in the old triple option you could tell your qb to give, pull out and run or pull out and pitch– its all off the same action you have just taken away the option part….

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 2:21 pm

I didn’t think it was that low.. Sugs was kind of tumbling as he went in with his head down and like IJ States, if he wanted to lay the wood, he could have went higher but it appears as if he lost his footing a bit and just kind of dove into him..
Much to do about nothing.. If anything, I am more disappointed that J Peters as the Leader of that OL didn’t pounce on Suggs afterwards.. Why cry about it 3 hours afterwards.. Peters and Suggs then probably would have gotten tossed and fined afterwards but hey, its Football…

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
August 24, 2015 2:34 pm
Reply to  paulman

With overreaction by the league to onfield offfield violence do you really think it would be worth it for Peters to do something in a meaningless preseason game and possibly cost himself a game or two to begin the season?

It actually shows more to the attitude of the team that they arent fools….and the line mauled the Ravens after that.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
August 24, 2015 2:32 pm

The Offensive Line has just got to be far more aggressive in defending the QB! When you are running the ball out of the shotgun the defense can say it looks like a read option play. Suggs took a cheap shot at the QB…its the OLine’s job to protect him…or the Eagle defenders should have taken a shot at Flacco…you have to send the message-cheap shots on our QB’s are unacceptable!

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 2:39 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

sweet profile picture koolbreeze… for some reason the song “there goes my hero” popped into my head

regarding your post. the OLines job was to not block suggs on that play at all. read option, zone option and some of chips other running and passing plays leave the edge rusher unblocked on purpose then the qb makes a certain decision based on what the edge guy does…

now chip swears it wasnt an option play but i believe this is gamesmanship from chip and trying to get the nfl and refs to adjust their rules/definitions…

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 3:37 pm
Reply to  mhenski

again, he probably didn’t have an ‘option’ to keep it- i’m sure the play was called and ended with ‘give the ball to the RB sam’– however like i said the ‘action’ suggests that there was an option to run. as for kellys offense and the danger to the qb- seems to me that most running plays that all teams run end with the ‘option’ for a qb to keep, usually leading to a bootleg/waggle type of thing.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
August 24, 2015 6:00 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

And that’s the problem – it looked like an option play.

Why else would Suggs be uncovered?

This is Suggs we’re talking about?

If you’re going to *disguise* a handoff to look like an option play then you’re going to have to deal with the consequences of that decision.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
August 24, 2015 5:34 pm

It was an option play – or designed to look like an option play. NFL said the hit was legal. You best beleive referees have taken note.

AND ultimately doesn’t matter if it was legal becasue and illegal hit can still injure you. Look the likelihood of Bradford making it through the season uninjured is slim to none- The only question (IMHO) is what week and how long.

I wasn’t as impressed with Bradford’s performance ’cause it was aided by like 4 penalties on suggs (ot whoever) hard not to fuck up in that situation. I’m just “meh” on the dude.

But to the point of the article using any sort of r/o with Bradford is dumb as fuck and all but guarantees dude is gonna get crushed at some point during the year.

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 5:55 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Careful ts the fuehrer Gary Putin Cobb doesn’t like curse words.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
August 24, 2015 5:57 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Will take note.

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 6:02 pm

Regarding Bradford re injury the likelihood he gets injured this year is 63%. Pretty cool site assigns percentages to all NFL players. Julio jones probability was 84%

deserteagle
deserteagle
August 24, 2015 6:40 pm

The bubble wrap is off ,it’s the NFL season.Askng a coach to alter his play calling to protect his QB is a near impossibility.Being tentative as a player usually ends badly,as well.We all knew that going into this season ,that Sam I am was going to have all of our hearts in our mouths ,hit after hit.His quick decision making is his best defense vs aggression ,but let’s be real,he’s got a target on his lower extremities .He took an even bigger shot in his chest and still looked down the field afterwards.I don’t think ,short of running the rock ,you can minimize the potential of damage.Its a crazy game as guys tear ACLs without contact like Nelson..so you need a lot of luck and a strong constitution this season.One interesting aside ,knowing his past history do you make a financial commitment ? Or is it Chips philosophy to ride this nag and hope he makes it to the finish line?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
August 24, 2015 7:31 pm

Fresh off the NFL’s official read option decision Suggs vs Bradford …
Raven’s Suggs next plays RG3 this Saturday, bwahahahahahahahaha…
wait let me catch my breath…LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
August 24, 2015 7:34 pm

Michael Kendrick’s resigned….there’s a lot posters on here that have a ton of crow to eat….

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
August 24, 2015 7:37 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

I’m one of them … I was wrong, congrats to Chip and Kendricks.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 24, 2015 7:41 pm

Great news, glad to hear Michael kendricks will be around for years to come. I guess he does fit the measurable huh??? LOL!!!

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
August 24, 2015 7:42 pm

As for Bradford…no one knows anything yet. It’s the preseason. However pure talent from a QB standpoint seeing Bradford mechanics ball delivery etc Nick Foles being jettisoned for an opportunity at an upgrade makes perfect sense.

Bradfords ability to be accurate in the short to medium passing game can dictate tempo etc. combined with this running game can be killer combo.

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 8:20 pm
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Agree Izzel we could really wear down defenses this year

bfdaking215
bfdaking215
August 24, 2015 7:43 pm

Glad kendricks got extended

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 7:53 pm

Kendrick extended… Another Fraudman prediction!

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 9:19 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I would have let Kendricks walk after this Season or actually would have tried to trade him this past Draft .. He missed his share of Practices and Games over the last couple of Seasons.. Emanuel Acho has been the Best Eagles ILB this Summer so far in my opinion …

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 9:27 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Too funny. And what’s funnier once cuts come in he will say something stupid like I’ve predicted every move the Eagles would make this offseason.

Lmfao

You read his reading comprehension post to me??? Lmfao and his post cutler would have a bounce back year (even tho last year was his best year as a pro…) haaaa

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 9:39 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Cutler had Better Seasons in 2008 & 2009 than he did 2014.. How could Cutler have his Best Season in 2014? Wasn’t he bEnched in favor of Jimmy Claussen.. You are truly an Idiot Hinski!!!

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 9:47 pm
Reply to  paulman

Make that 2007 & 2008 were better Seasons for Cutler

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 9:52 pm
Reply to  paulman

Keep burying yourself deeper fool. Which season is best you tell me:

27 tds, 26 damn ints and a rating of 76.8
25 tds, 18 ints and a rating of 86
28 tds, 18 ints and a rating of 88.6

You so stooooopit

Again you r saying he is gonna have a bounce year when last year wasn’t. And even if we throw out the fact that last year was his best and say last year was his 3rd best out of 9 years you still can’t say it’s a bounce back year.

What a clown u r with your look at me posts when in reality you’re wrong and just typing. Give it a rest

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 9:55 pm
Reply to  mhenski

07 8 less tds than 2015 but ok

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 10:18 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Anyone who follows QB Production knows the QBR Rating is better all around measurement than the old Rating System..
Follow the higher “QBR Ratings” and you will find your better QB’s

2014 Cutlers QBR Rationg was a 53 (Out of a 100)
He’s had 4 Seasons with higher QBR Ratings than his 2014 Season
So again, you are wrong…
Stick to Gambling you Amateur ….

daggolden
daggolden
August 24, 2015 8:13 pm

Why? As of the other day he wasn’t even taking 1st team reps. It was Demeco and Kiko. 4 years 29 million with 16.4 guaranteed is a lot of money for a player who Eagles fans value way more than the rest of the league does.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 8:18 pm
Reply to  daggolden

‘fans value more than the league does’???? wtf does that mean? the fans here ‘predicted’ that kelly didn’t value him- THEY WERE WRONG- stop focusing on money…its just funny money it means absolutely nothing…. its not YOUR money!!!

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 9:25 pm
Reply to  daggolden

Eagles got a good Deal on Kendricks Deal
Top ILB were getting $10 Million per Season Deals with Bobby Wagner, Lavante David Deals signed this Summer.. Luke Kuechley will get a monster Deal here soon so Kenricks averaging $7 Million per Season is about right for him as long as he stays healthy..

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
August 24, 2015 8:17 pm

Me for one was excited when they trade for kiko I thought him and Kendricks would be crazy together…..with that said it makes no sense for either hicks or Ryans is here now one shouldn’t be here if this was there plan all along… chip will not explain he will just say company line we had alot of injuries I get that but you didn’t need Brad jones,demeco abd hicks unless they plan on moving kiko outside cause that 3rd Rd pick could’ve been the OT Collins and they probably could’ve got hocks in the 4th…

mhenski
mhenski
August 24, 2015 8:29 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

Man Winston looks nice

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 8:30 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

collins WAS NOT ON THE BOARD!!! pay attention!
if you think that having 3-4 quality ILB is a problem then you dont understand the game-

bfdaking215
bfdaking215
August 24, 2015 8:30 pm

You can never have enough middle linebackers in a 3-4 gloomy

pdiddy
pdiddy
August 24, 2015 8:37 pm

Congrats to Kendricks time to go eat.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 24, 2015 8:55 pm

Jameis Winston is showing why he was the #1 pick. Showing toughness and willingness to play through pain…all things considered he’s having a good game.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
August 24, 2015 9:08 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Famous Jameis Winston started well but ended playing Chuck and Duck.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 24, 2015 9:37 pm

uhhh, did you see the jail breaks that started to get through the o line, who would not look to quickly get rid of the ball. He got hurt trying to stay in the pocket to deliver the ball.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
August 24, 2015 9:10 pm

Andy Dalton looks worse than Joe Flacco this week.

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 9:15 pm

TB Bucs WR Russell Shepard with the Nice grab from QB Glennon who was a late Cut from Eagles 2 years back..

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
August 24, 2015 9:20 pm

why wasn’t collins on the board he did go undrafted and its nothing wrong with having depth demeco shouldn’t be here he’s not gonna play st he’s past his prime jones and hicks could be the backups and his money could’ve went to getting a safety or another olb… with that said love kendricks and kiko being the starters but barring injury they should look to trade demeco cause he’s not playing st he can’t cover anymore, he’s over the hill. and cigar you dickeat every move they do like they can do no wrong hell chip could come out tomorrow and say were gonna sit maxwell and play biggers in place you would be like yeah good move chip with your palm palms in hand..

paulman
paulman
August 24, 2015 9:35 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

OL La’El Collins was off the Eagles Board and every other NFL Franchise Draft Board until
Investigators could determine his involvement if there any in connection to a murder case involving his ex girlfriend and Mother of his Child which the story broke 24-48 Hours before the Draft started and I correctly stated that no NFL Team would Draft him until there was clearance on his part which didn’t occur until after the Draft was over.. Collins was taken off the Eagles Board is the bottom line

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 24, 2015 9:40 pm
Reply to  paulman

Nothing ever came of that situation with Collins, I guess he had nothing to do with it after all. No mention of it at all…hmmm

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 9:42 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

nope, nothing came of it at all- nfl now is silent on the collusion to not draft him– nfl is the evil empire- look at how they back pedal and this asshole chris carter!!! they fucking put this guy up at the rookie symposium …. he says that ghetto shit in a ghetto accent and then goes on espn and talks like an oxford trained lawyer… bullshit!

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 9:38 pm
Reply to  gloomysmitty

gloomy i’ve explained it several times. because of his possible legal issues it was agreed upon by the nfl ownership that he was not on the board. if you remember at the time there was a possible indictment coming down on him- the nfl didn’t want the headlines ‘nfl player indicted for murder’–
demeco is there for another year because of his leadership. i don’t understand that on a 53 man roster with ‘next man up’ being the mantra you don’t want the best 53…it makes no sense.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 24, 2015 9:51 pm

What cris Carter said at the rookie thing was every bit as offensive to young african american men as what cooper said- why GCobb who has spoken at this even if i’m not mistaken hasn’t condemned it as such i have no idea-
to suggest that a young man need to employ a fall guy willing to go to jail when he in fact breaks the law is appalling and honestly is part of a culture of low expectations that is all too common … the more i read on it, the more i read the nfl, espn (who employs fucking ray lewis) the more i think they are just blind to the issue… it is fucking sad- i have watched espn for the last time for sure.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 24, 2015 10:42 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Umm, there were white guys and Polynesians in that room also, Chris Carter was speaking to rookie football players, regardless of their color. What Chris said was not the smartest thing, but please do not even try to put it on the same level as Cooper, who out of anger referred to a man as a byword (nigger) based on what he looked like, and committed a crime by threatening him with bodily harm simply because the man was doing his job. Perhaps Riley just did not like a black guy telling him what to do. What Chris said had to do with behaviors displayed by young people who are coming into money, I did not hear him say anything suggesting race, nationality, ethnicity etc. Chris Borland (white guy), former linebacker of the 49ers was in that room during that conference, I don’t think Chris Carter said hey Borland, this does not include you. Cigar, you are not in a position to tell AA people what is every bit as offensive to them so please get off of your pedestal of privilege and self righteousness, it’s beyond nauseating …I wonder if that speech would have applied to Kiko Alonso, john Moffitt, Colt Lyerla etc…As far as I am concerned, those guys needed to hear what Carter had to say, white, black, Latino, Polynesian etc. I do not agree with the fall guy part, but, the rest is just being real.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 5:33 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

you can believe that if you’d like. turn a blind eye to it. Funny when the argument is about cooper i hear things like ‘the nfl is mostly AA or his locker room is mostly AA”– double standard- it was offensive, flat out

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 9:29 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Double standard argument…how typical and trite. Your argument is pathetically weak at best as you try to draw a parallel .Grasping at straws…move on….nothing there.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 10:20 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

A man representing the nfl told a room full of 20-22 year old men have a member of your posse who is willing to go to jail when YOU commit a crime… And there is nothing to see here? Ok then, wow this society is in the shitter!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 11:23 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I am talking about your racial component you tried to put in there, as there is nothing there. Don’t try to change now. I stated I did not agree with what Chris said as it relates to the fall guy part…I guess you conveniently forgot that pesky little fact. I do find it funny how you would constantly rant and rave about the Cooper situation being brought up two years after the fact and how people should move on and blah blah blah, then you bring it up to fit your warped narrative…how self serving…how hypocritical.
As bugsyhawk stated, I don’t see how race is involved as he was addressing everyone in the room.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 12:14 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Believe what you would like,talk about the composition of the NFL when it fits your narrative… It’s ok

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 12:37 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Blah blah blah…I have never discussed the composition of the NFL…not even during the Cooper issue. Wrong argument…wrong guy…..try again…next!
Dwindling argument!

Biglion821
Biglion821
August 24, 2015 10:59 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Who the hell is Chris Carter speaking on behalf of? Who gives a shit what Chris Carter says? Man drop that shit the only person who that shit should have offended was his Momma and Daddy.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
August 25, 2015 9:24 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Can’t just ignore it Big. He was an NFL representative speaking to rookies about how to conduct themselves. Pretty bad PR for the league. That being said, I don’t see what this has to do with race since he was addressing everyone.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
August 24, 2015 10:15 pm

Eat the crow…the Eagles made all of those moves and STILL had room to sign Mychal Kendricks a player that most of the Kelly haters proclaimed would be gone! LMAO…lames!!!!

paulman
paulman
August 25, 2015 9:44 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Do Remember that the Eagles were about $50 Million under the Cap when Trading McCoy, releasing Cole, Herremans, C Williams, etc,etc..
Now go extend Fletcher Cox, Bennie Logan, Vinny Curry & Lane Johnson

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
August 25, 2015 9:48 am
Reply to  paulman

When can they cut Cooper and save some money on that gross contract?

paulman
paulman
August 25, 2015 10:10 am
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Cooper’s Deal

2015 – $4.8 Million in Salary & Bonus – but $7.2 Million in Dead $$ if Cut
2016 – $5.3 Million in Salary & Bonus – $2.4 Million in Dead $$ if Cut
2017 – $5.05 Million in Salary & Bonus – $1.6 Million in Dead $$ if Cut
2018 – $5.5 Million in Salary & Bonus – $ 800,000 in Dead $$ if Cut

Chances are, Riley Cooper is an Eagle for 2015 for sure,and possibly 2016 for purely economic reasons if nothing else.. then Chip Kelly/Marynowitz will need to decide after the 2015 Season on what to do with him…
They Cut him now, they will be be hit with $11.2 Million in Dead $$$ over the next 3 Years which is crazy for a 4th/5th Type of Caliber WR that he is..

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
August 25, 2015 10:17 am
Reply to  paulman

Thanks Paul. Holy crap that is a bad contract.

mhenski
mhenski
August 25, 2015 10:16 am
Reply to  paulman

logan and lane are under contract on the cheap for the next 2 seasons. it would be irresponsible for the eagles to extend them now

paulman
paulman
August 25, 2015 10:32 am
Reply to  mhenski

This year, Yes, it would make no sense to extend Logan/LJ, for there is no need to do so, but both should be addressed early next Off-Season in Terms of an Extension.. They should work on Fletcher Cox & Vinnie Curry now and lock both up before the Season starts so they don’t become Free-Agents after the 2015 Season..

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 11:48 am

Ehl and hac you two will never understand each other on the race front just talk about football because these arguments go no where just a waste of time

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 12:07 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Z, the story had nothing to do with race, it should have been kept about football, but…somehow race found its way in there. If I see bs, I will address it!!! As I said, there was nothing there as far as race is concerned and had no place or business being brought up except to make a racial issue out of a non-issue.

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 12:21 pm

Ehl you are talking to hac on race…..lol….what did u think he would say…..,dude waste of time…..i understand both views yours and hac…..but the shit about riley cooper has nothing to do with this

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 12:25 pm

Cris carter said posse…..so being real even I thought he meant brothers on the street corner because of how carter made it to be…….but to make it feel as just brothers is straight bull shit…..but i get both points

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 12:33 pm
Reply to  zilents44

And listen to the inflection in his voice. There is no doubt who the message was for… Moving on it was a disgusting thing to say, it is for some low expectations bull shit.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 12:44 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Oh wow, you can tell who Carter was talking to by the inflection in his voice…lmao dude..I guess you know Chris on that level.., you are pretty special, NOT!. Chris Carter has always been a passionate speaker, check out his HOF induction speech and his Football life story, same type of inflection…just move on and stop race baiting with you prejudice ways.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 1:10 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Yeah ok… Kings English to not knowing basic subject verb agreement

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 2:10 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Lol…You started off with race involving Riley Cooper, Chris Carter and GCOBB writing a story about it…now you are off topic wanting to lecture on the Kings English. Serious diverting away from your original complaint…back pedalling, side stepping and trippin Race baiter!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 2:23 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

No side step I was called out about how ‘that’s how he talks’ I simply pointed out that he doesn’t talk that way. He spoke in a manner different than his norm. I propose he did it to gain a certain acceptance from a segment of his audience. that’s not side stepping, it’s the exact opposite. I contend he was delivering a message that is appalling, ignores personal and professional responsibility. And it was geared more toward the majority watching it. I believe it was offensive, insensitive and hurtful….that’s not side stepping.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 2:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

You are lying. You initiated this by calling gcobb out about not writing a story about Chris Carter and what he said and how it was as bad as what Cooper said. Then you whined and cried about double standards. Stop lying!

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 1:10 pm

WASTE OF TIME…..EHL hac will never understand….how many times has he been on the race baiting argument side of this…..the most on this website….he will never hear you out for real….it just a waste of time

paulman
paulman
August 25, 2015 1:19 pm

I did not hear the entire Chris Carter Speech at the 2014 Rookie Symposium that he was invited to or even in what context he was speaking about .. I do know that Chris Carter Apologized to everyone involved including the Players he Spoke to, the NFL, his Co-Hosts on ESPN and anyone else who was offended by his poor choice of words and maybe trying to get too real to some kids that he said something foolish, it’s not the first time someone has said something they regretted nor will it be the last time.. Chris Carter has always appeared to me to be a pretty stand up guy who has battled demons and issues for a good part of his adult life and a man who has done a lot for young players and people in general over the Years so I am not going to hang the guy for a ‘bad moment or speech” .. Look at the mans actions.. Chris Carter has done a lot of good things..

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 1:31 pm
Reply to  paulman

sometimes regretting word choice is not enough… thats my point… jsut seems like people pick and choose.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 2:19 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

My issue with you was not regarding what Chris said, my problem with you is that you tried to make a racial issue out of a non racial issue.
I do not agree with what Chris said..but trying to say people should be equally offended by this as they were Riley Cooper’s hate filled rant was and is asinine. If you can not see that then I have fiven you waaay to much credit s far as common sense is concerned. You quickly forgave Cooper after he apologized and wanted to move on, but, you can’t find it in yourself to extend the same courtesy to Chris..yes…people do pick and choose and that is what you are doing now.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 2:31 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Race filled rant? It was one ugly, racist sentence if I believe. It also wasn’t for me to forgive. I said after the leaders of the team said to move on I said ok.
Actually EHL I’m pointing out your hypocrisy…. Cooper was 2-3 years ago, yet it still gets brought up. If you don’t believe that carter was sending a message to primarily black players than you just go with that. It was equally or me disturbing because it came from a leadership or mentor role and asked young men to absolve their responsibilities as a man and professional.

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 2:33 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

‘Equally or More disturbing ‘

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 2:41 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Where is the hypocrisy on my part?..I do not agree with what Carter said. Once again my problem is with you bringing race into this, you and only you have done that!

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 3:31 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I guess I was looking for a bit more outrage, I believe that simply ‘not agreeing’ with it is part of the issue… And again I believe as do many it was directed PRIMARILY to AA men.
Z as for the race war I believe there is a cure. It would take compromise and admission of guilt on both sides. Side A needs to admit that institutional racism is/has been a cause, need to create jobs and businesses, admit that certain affirmative action measures need to be beefed up and last that funding (yes tax $) needs to be spent on education, family planning and mental health. Oh and end the war on drugs which sucks . And side B needs to take more personal responsibility, parenthood should not be taken so lightly, curb the number of single mothers and irresponsible male behavior. Create business opportunities in the community, work 15 hours a day building those businesses, get rid of don’t snitch stuff.
I’m sure I missed a few things, each side needs to give. I will formalize my platform before stepping into the presidential race as an independent.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 3:51 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Where are you getting this information as far as the many who believed it was directed at AA men? I have not heard anyone speak on who they thought Carter was primarily speaking to. It has not even been a topic except on gcobb as far as if Carter was primarily speaking to a certain group. Have you seen a poll…read something stating this etc. Please tell me where I can get that info.

mhenski
mhenski
August 25, 2015 3:57 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

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In love with the money, I ain’t never letting go

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And I get high with my baby (baby)
I just left the mall, I’m getting fly with my baby, yeah
And I can ride with my baby (baby)
I be in the kitchen cooking pies with my baby, yeah

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If you checking out my pockets hol’ up

And I get high with my baby (baby)
I just left the mall, I’m getting fly with my baby, yeah
And I can ride with my baby (baby)
I be in the kitchen cooking pies with my baby, yeah

And I get high with my baby (baby)
I just left the mall, I’m getting fly with my baby, yeah
And I can ride with my baby (baby)
I be in the kitchen cooking pies with my baby, yeah

I’m like “hey, what’s up, hello”
Seen yo pretty ass soon as you came in that door
I just wanna chill, got a sack for us to roll
Married to the money, introduced her to my stove
Showed her how to whip it, now she remixin’ for low
She my trap queen, let her hit the bando
We be countin’ up, watch how far them bands go
We just set a goal, talkin’ matchin’ Lambos
Got 50, 60 grand, 5 100 grams though
Man, I swear I love her how she work the damn pole
Hit the strip club, we be letting bands go
Everybody hating, we just call them fans though
In love with the money, I ain’t never letting go

I be smoking dope and you know Backwoods what I roll
Remy Boy, Fetty eating shit up that’s fasho
Ill run in ya house, then I’ll fuck your ho
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Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 2:21 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Hypocrite!

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 2:13 pm

Lol ehl u cant let it die…..oh well get emmmm

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 2:24 pm

Lol thats true as shit ehl…whats your take on that hac

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 2:36 pm

Good respibse hac and the race war rages on

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 3:46 pm

Hac good points but my vote is going to independent deez nuts due sorely to humor alone and it doesnt matter who we elect we are screwed

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 4:02 pm

Yo henski that my man fetty wap 1738…..”baby girl u so damn fine tho, I wanna know if I can hit it from behind tho…..17 shots no 38…..lol

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
August 25, 2015 6:13 pm

Per Adam Schefter, Guard Evan Mathis signs a 1 year contract with the Denver Broncos, reportedly up to 4 million.

zilents44
zilents44
August 25, 2015 7:44 pm

Chip 1 evan 0

haveacigar
haveacigar
August 25, 2015 7:49 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Over played hand? Check
Sky falling Eagles fan base? Check
Much ado bout nothing? Check
Evan who? Check

paulman
paulman
August 25, 2015 8:16 pm

Mathis Signed a 1 Year Deal for a $2.5 Million Base Salary with $1.5 Million additional if all Incentive Marks are hit with is Play Time, Games he is on the Active Roster, etc,etc..