[media id=361 width=480 height=360]Eagles quarterback Michael Vick was visibly angry yesterday after talking to the local media which covers the Eagles. He was asked if he thinks he holds the football too long.
“No. I’m not holding the ball too long,” Vick said. “Don’t try to make that an issue. It’s not.”
I thought Vick played one of his better games against the Denver because he did a lot with very little. His wide receivers weren’t doing a good job. They weren’t winning their battles. It also wasn’t a very good pass blocking game for the defensive line. When asked about the blocking and about his receivers this week, Vick refused to take any shots at his teammates, but he also wasn’t happy when the reporters started going after him concerning holding onto the ball too long.
“Listen, whoever’s saying I’m holding the ball too long, they don’t know anything about football,” Vick said when he was asked another question about holding the ball too long. “They need to go watch the film. I’m gonna post some film up for y’all and I’m gonna have a clicker right here. And we’re gonna go through every play so I can break it down verbatim, play for play for y’all.”
I don’t think that was the problem, but you have different websites which measure how long a quarterback hangs onto the ball regardless of what kind of quarterback he is. For instance many times, Vick will hold onto the ball then take off on a run for yardage, while a quarterback who can’t run is going to get rid of that ball because he knows he can’t do any with it.
Right now the Eagles are having all types of trouble with their wide receivers and their offensive line because Jason Peters has a hand injury that’s not allowing him to play at the level we’ve been used to him playing at, and rookie Lane Johnson is learning the ropes and being taken to school. That Denver front seven was much better than I thought they were and they did a good job against the Birds offensive line.
Also the Birds are breaking down at the wrong times. Evan Mathis gets beat and tackles the defensive tackle on the same play Vick hits DeSean Jackson for a big gain. Lane Johnson gets a questionable holding call just as the Birds are going into the red zone. He also got beat for sacks in the game.
Mike Vick said —-“I’m gonna post some film up for y’all and I’m gonna have a clicker right here. And we’re gonna go through every play so I can break it down verbatim, play for play for y’all.”
Alright I need a good laugh—
Vick is about 1 or 2 more interviews before he gives someone the finger – like he did in Atlanta (fans)
Meltdown Sunday night after the game
another check vick cant cash. post the film im waiting clown
Yep holding on to the ball is the reason nobody gets open. Problem is fans and writers have no clue and just believe everything they read. Try looking at the all 22 and see for yourself why he holds onto it in certain situations.
Hogwash Big, People like Diddy who have studied football their entire life continue to see open receivers or throws not made because of the QB’s lack of anticipation. The receivers could be better yes, but this is a problem that’s been going on for 4 years now. No more lame excuse, This is supposed to be a quick hit short to intermediate pass offense…I do give Vick credit for not turning it over as much, even still offensively this isnt what we were sold. I expected the defense to stink and start getting better by game 8 or so…..but the offense was supposed to be good to great….Let’s take Monday night’s game for example…Drew Briese checked down to his backs 7-10 times with Sproles and thomas respectively….we dont do that….or Vick doesnt….This offense isnt being ran the way it was designed…but thats Chips fault I guess…Just draft me a new QB please so I dont have to watch this garbage anymore…If the Defense doesnt get better do we fire Billy Davis…or do we blame all the players and change them?
great post xevious. we have one of the best rbs in the world on our team and our qb refuses to check it down to him. sounds like the coaches fault to me
You mean if he would have checked down we would have beaten Denver? Yes by all means let’s draft another QB and a tackle and another te and ignore keep ignoring the defense.
no , that wouldnt have beat denver. but making those throws loosens about a D keeps defenders out of vicks face, is a safe play, gains yards, wears out a d. so many positive things happen by getting mccoy the ball in space, by making short throws…
How about just scoring more points…I would be satisfied with scoring 35-40 points against Denvers Defense…Like Andrew said last week Denvers Pass defense was worse than ours….then we get there and can’t score shit…there ya go for progress 3-15 in the red zone Big…thats the issue and why we need check downs…The defense Sucks is not an excuse for the offense not to score points.
Big who said Ignore the Defense? If you wanna go Defense #1 next year Im all in, but then start Foles or Barkley because MV& is Done Done Done….Im I think this has gone on long enough and it’s just a matter of time before Chip pulls the trigger. This article isnt about the defense, if it were I would say about week 8 it might start looking better….Oh wait i did say that….Im sick of this debate, you can’t keep making excuse after excuse.
Yes the article is about Vick holding the ball is NOT the issue. Doesn’t say anything about the QB sucks so yes your right.
What’s hogwash is not understanding that because teams have gone to press man coverage, the easy throws are gone.
When corners are up and playing press man, you have to attack them vertically, cuz the defense is in position to defend screens, digs, curls, etc.
The skins played zone and gave up the easy passes, so the offense took them. Since that game, it’s been press man. The Chargers game was the only one where our receivers won their matchups.
Until our receivers prove they can beat press man, the easy throws are gone.
anticipation god…did you see the Fn throws Rivers threw to 5 ft nothing Danny woodhead the other day. He was covered like a blanket and Rivers dropped the ball right into his hands twice. You don’t understand what an NFL caliber QB is supposed to do in this league…Everyone said Rivers was garbage but he is playing lights out with his best receiver being the 1000 yr old Antonio gates…Im sick of excuse and don’t tell me I don’t understand…This isnt FN sandlot, make the tough throws not everyone is 3 yards open…Garbage.;
I saw the stick throw Vick made through 3 defenders in the RZ to Celek, and he dropped it. Vick was making stick throws all game, the receivers didn’t catch them.
Kelly and Shurmur said Vick was very accurate in the game, but of course you didn’t notice through the haze of Vick derangement syndrome.
So when Celek or whoever else drops a big time throw, you’ll ignore it or find some way to blame Vick
So true. And what’s worse is that no Wrs or TEs on any other team ever drop the ball.
Receivers on other teams make tough catches. The ones on this team don’t.
But in Vick hater world it’s Vick’s fault.
xevious. your on fire man. so on point
If this tailored offense to his skill set is as represented he should not be holding on to the ball barely at all, so by logic, one of the following can be deduced:
He’s not hitting the quick pass, the immediate check down, waiting too long, forced to run or throw it deep;
The eagles do not have playmakers to make the quick throw,McCoy, et. al are not good enought;
Or the system just doesn’t work in the nfl, but…..
He is definitely holding onto the ball way too long
Jake Im so sick of this everything turns into this man….I hardly comment anymore because its so frustrating to know 6 months beforehand how things are gonna go and dammit if they dont go that way. Can we just start a new era here in Philly man…Foles Bridgewater manzell barkley I dont care I am just so sick of the BS excuses and such. Chip needs to clean house get a new DC and new QB…..
agreed
did jake just say mccoy isnt good enough to be a pass catcher? is this for real or just sarcasm?
Yeah, and we’re tired so tired of the Vick haters bitching all the time about one player. If he got cut you’d still talk about him.
Much to do about nothing, this Eagle Team has not hit rock bottom yet,
that’s about to come in the next 2 Weeks as they drop games to the Giants/TB Bucs, then finally, the Front Office and Coach Jelly Kelly come to the conclusion that many of us have known.. the the Eagles need a complete
“Re-Build Job” , not the Band-Aid players that they overpaid for (Chung,WIlliams,Casey,Soapaga, etc,etc,) or the over the hill Veterans that best Days are behind them (Vick,Celek,Herremans,Cole,Ryans)
ot the Younger Players that they Drafted who have under-performed (Graham,Cox, Allen,Boykin) that by the Bye Week, most of these Veteran Players will be on the Bench as the True Rebuild process actually begins..
I do think the Kelly is smart enough not to waste an entire Season with the Veterans/Band-Aid Players that do not fit his Schemes moving forward..
I stated since January and all Spring/Summer long, The Eagles will not truly be Chip Kelly’s Team until these older Veterans are gone and yes, this means Vick,Cole,Herremans,Ryans,etc,etc and Kelly will look back at his Decision to re-sign Vick and not moving Veteran Players who no longer fit as a major mistake and impediment in taking over this Franchise and moving it Forward..
Vick was 2nd in the league last year for “release time” at an average of 3.17 seconds/pass.
I was told 1000x this was because of Andy Reid’s “all deep all the time” offense. That it would change as soon as Vick was in an offense that wasn’t designed to sit and wait for the big play.
Vick is 1st in the league this year for “release time” at an almost unheard of average of 3.40 seconds/pass
And the excuse now is…………………
realtalk is an expert in this, im sure he can explain
Vinnie shouldn’t even be here…he doesn’t exist, no response required for his dumb ass….
Last time I checked receivers have to get open! They collect a pay check too….If no one gets open the QB has to hold the ball, throw the ball away, or run for that first down. Explain to me how this Eagles offense ranks tops in the leagues, but you clowns are complaining about the QB “holding the football”…..? Also as G pointed out, Vick’s athleticism plays a part in why he can hold the ball a little longer than most…
But that’s right Cooper is the best receiver in the league creates separation at ease! DJAX is a 230lb monster at receiver too…The fact that Cooper is looked at as the number 2, is what is laughable…Which is putting more strain on the offense and DJAX…Teams can provide safety help on DJAX and man up on Cooper all day long…until he starts winning his matchups, the Eagles will have to look elsewhere, getting the TE’s more involved….
Last time I checked receivers have to get open! They collect a pay check too…
******last year your excuse for mike holding the ball to long was all about the playcalling and blaming reid, now its the wr, ok…
xplain to me how this Eagles offense ranks tops in the leagues, but you clowns are complaining about the QB “holding the football”…..
****** bc he freezes, chokes, and fails when it matters most in the red zone. last i saw most yards doesnt win games
But that’s right Cooper is the best receiver in the league creates separation at ease! DJAX is a 230lb monster at receiver too…The fact that Cooper is looked at as the number 2, is what is laughable…Which is putting more strain on the offense and DJAX…Teams can provide safety help on DJAX and man up on Cooper all day long…until he starts winning his matchups, the Eagles will have to look elsewhere, getting the TE’s more involved….
******agreed but would add in getting the RBs more involved in the passing game too. thats on mike vick to get the ball to the rbs and tes more though real. they are running routes every play too… thats the problem its bombs away and we arent taking the short stuff
See Phillip Rivers in His new offense to See receivers have to get open….Its garbage…throw the ball where the receiver is supposed to be. If Rivers can drop the ball into 5ft nothings Danny woodheads hands when he is blanketed twice last week then why cant we do the same….Oh Wait because our QB doesn’t have the SKILL SET to make that NFL caliber throw…but the “garbage QB” Rivers can…..Blah blah blah…it’s always the others on the teams fault…My left nut…Time to move on. We have Leshawn Mccoy they have Danny woodhead…why can’t Vick find Lesean? Cause he’s looking for the big play 75% OF THE TIME…I wont even get into Alex smith running an offense right now…
wrong person…RealTalk defended Reid most times…Real Talk appreciated Reid…I’ve always mentioned that Vick’s athleticism plays a part into why he “may hold the ball”also always mentioned WR and separation as well as play calling………
Does that really sound like Realtalk, to blame a single person….I think not! …and sometimes he holds the ball and runs for a big game…..The person that chokes are the ones that drops the ball in the red zone. Not the one that throws the ball…again we had this same discussion about the red zone yesterday and you know my stance….forget throwing the ball so much in the redzone, run it! We have arguably the best back in football and a hell of a backup RB too…run the ball….
Running the ball is exactly what we should do when lesean is at 5 yards a clip in the redzone and the QB is at 20%. You did always have Reids back.
It’s funny when Vick haters like to pay attention to PFF. When they bring this stat out it confirms the Vick haters biases.
But when they have Vick in their top ten in 2011, PFF doesn’t know what they’re talking about. When Vick is rated 36 points higher than Foles last year, PFF doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I’m sure all the Vick haters knew that Vick was the highest rated player on offense in the Broncos game right?
Nah, PFF only knows what they’re talking about when Vick is timed as holding onto the ball to long.
Vick Haters my ass, How about people who are tired of the Bullshit excuse for a guy who isn’t up to snuff as our starting QB. he’s a .500 QB for his career, deal with reality. That’s unacceptable for anyother QB in the league…Shit Donovan was way over .500 and they got rid of him…Time to move on and stop the cult like BS…He’s done finito see ya later buddy…No hate no excuses Im 1-3 MFER time to see what we have for next year.
He’s the best qb on this team, you deal with reality. I’m tired of bullshit whining from Vick haters when he’s top 10 in qb rating.
You don’t even recognize the irony of them getting rid of McNabb, which is what led to Vick becoming the starter in the first place.
They handed the job to Kolb, he failed, and Vick had to bail out Reid for his decision to get rid of McNabb.
It’s time to move on and except that Vick is the qb, or boycott the Eagles until they do. Seeing what we had led to Kolb, and your hero Foles will be just as bad.
Espn Fresh QB ratings 14th overall mediocre..if you rate passing 19th overall……Less than mediocre..55 out of 100 mediocre…theres your rankings buddy. Now go say5 hail vicks and pray for no pick 6’s on Sunday…..If he cant score against the Giants it will be pathetic.
He’s top ten in qb rating nimrod, nice try.
When you talk about total passing yards as if all Qbs have the same amount of attempts, your Vick derangement syndrome shines right through. He’s 2nd in yds/pass att., but in your hater world you dismiss that.
What’s pathetic is your hate-on for Vick.
.I stated Espn total QBR . You just an idiot if you think Vick stacks up against any top tier QB in this league. And you have it wrong Reid saved Vicks career then you turn it around and say Reid hampered Vick…thats the sick world you people live in where you look at his horrid Falcon career and think he was great. Reid tried to teach him how to play the position and idiots like you say he hampered Vick. Again He’s 2nd in yards per attempt in a quick strike offense…which means he is holding the ball looking for a long pass because they aren’t getting YAC yards here….So thanks for proving the point that he holds the ball too long. Also Way to make this personal over your man crush. If I thought he could win us a Superbowl I would want him..he can’t so see ya.
Nah, the idiots are people who think the offense is the problem, which is why in numerous posts, you said you don’t care about the D, just about Vick.
The quick strikes are gone, cuz teams are taking it away. I know Vick haters don’t know football, but you can’t throw short when teams play press man coverage. You have to attack vertically.
Last year Reid called endless bombs when the D was backed off. With Maclin gone teams have played press man cuz they no longer fear our speed.
If you look at Manning in the Broncos game, since we played so much off coverage, he would just take advantage of what’s given. The times he threw deep, our corners were in press coverage, so those routes took longer.
Until these receivers back people off by beating press man, easy short throws are gone.
“Bail out Reid” WTf are you talking about… Reid got fired
I was talking about 2010. Vick was unable to overcome all of Reid’s incompetence in later years in play-calling and DC’s.
Now chip is incompetent I get it
“And the excuse now is…………………” Yes Giant’s Fan what is the excuse Now??? WHY ARE YOU STILL ON THIS SITE? Are you not the man you claim to be? You made a bet and you lost… and now you’re welching on it like the slack jawed idiot I remembered you to be. And you swore you wouldn’t do this when others on this site said you would.
@RealTalk777 what was Giants Fan’s bet again??? And since he didn’t honor the bet he made should I honor mine?
Giants Fan aka vinnie the welcher…. I love nothing better then to smack down your non-contextual, ad hominem, misleading statistical presentations. If you don’t want to honor your bet… I’ve got a little bit of time to mix it up with you.
Vick’s playing great by the way considering the fact that he’s playing in his 3rd different offensive system since being in Philly, 2nd HC, 2nd OC, 3rd different OL Coach since being in Philly, rookie protecting his blind side 2 years removed from having a rookie center and guard . Considering all of this he’s still top 5 in pass plays over 20yds and has the second or third longest active passing streak without an int. I absolutely love his play… his completion percentage will go up when his main TE is no longer top 5 in drops and his #2 WR learns how to run proper routes so that defenses can’t play press man all day and sit a safety over top of DJax and take away the checkdowns.
Anytime your ready Giants Fan, I’ll defend my team and its starting QB and treat you like a Giants Fan is meant to be treated…
OMG. Thanks for that. Never realized.
The Eagles are the only team to ever change Offensive linemen and coaches.
Vick is the only QB to ever have had to fight through the complete injustice of rookie OTs and now OCs.
None of the top QBs in the league ever have to go through the same trials and tribulations of the great Mike Vick.
If only if only he hadn’t been the unluckiest players ever, always handcuffed by the utter incompetence around him he’d have been the greatest ever.
Tragic really.
So then give me a list Mr. Giant’s fan of who has had to go through the problems that Vick has endured and has been successful instead of avoiding answering the question, AS YOU ALWAYS DO. LOL!!!! You are not only a WELCHER You are also a dim witted coward. How many bonafide weapons does Vick have at his disposal. How about the stellar defense he has on the other side of the ball to help him out…
Please… give me a list of QB in this same situation that have been able to keep their teams competive. I dare you to say Brady!!!!!! LOL!!!
Giants Fans are the dumbest and you certainly lead the pack.
No. You got me.
I have seen the light.
For 11 years Mike Vick has been the unluckiest player in NFL history. He has had to….what is it….ENDURE all the terribleness around him. Year after year.
Without the incredible misfortune of having nothing but incompetent coaches, useless skill players, and turnstile O linemen, he would have been in the Hall of fame.
Poor guy.
Vinnie I am not a Vick fan but I honestly think these receivers suck. I was listening to Ray Diddy on the radio today. He said after watching film guys were not getting open. They double Djax and that’s it.
Ok Vick. Start chucking up the ball and hope and pray recievers catch it. Then when they don’t and they are interceptions. Just tell people “hey I’m not holding the ball anymore”. F’n idiots. Manning can throw with anticipation because he has 6’4 monsters at WR and TE. AND Welker is a wizard at getting separation.
You mean if he would have checked down we would have beaten Denver? Yes by all means let’s draft another QB and a tackle and another te and ignore keep ignoring the defense.
Holy crap Big your smarter than that..Play the offense the way it’s supposed to be ran and maybe we score more points and your not 3-15 in the redzone. Defense sucks but this team isnt going anywhere like this….today is not the day.
As I posted on another story, the defense and special teams gave up a 50 spot and these educated football fans are talking about the QB. Makes perfect sense.
yea it does actually. there is nothing to talk about on defense, the d line sucks, the lbs suck, the corners suck, the safeties suck, the dc sucks. you cant change any one piece of the d and have our D improve.
however you can change many things at the qb position whether it be the style, the decision making, the player and you can get small wins there.
Small wins where? When your D is on pace to be worse than the Saints last year, what exactly are you expecting, perfection?
The immortal Drew Brees only got 7 wins with an historically bad defense.
How about getting the defense to be less awful, instead of trying to demand perfection on offense.
the defense cant be less awful. nobody is demanding perfection on offense either. i do demand vick has to put up 7 on the last drive of the eagles/chargers game though
They made him leave the field on 2nd down. That threw a monkey wrench into the drive.
And the defense can be less awful. The offense can certainly be better, but this D has to improve.
What makes perfect sense is this is game 5 of this defensive scheme and the coordinator…year 5 of Vick on this team….Thats the difference…toleration level big….none left for this garbage.
our defense has been suspect since Vick’s arrival….with what 4 defensive coordinators since….come on now, be fair…
I think Im being fair..we had the discussion about this offense and Vicks skill set before the season. Look at Rivers and smith in offenses that fit there skill sets…No way Vick could make the throws Rivers has. Come on Real your an Eagles fan don’t you want us to have a QB that the whole league envies? We don’t have that and really haven’t in our lifetime…Why should we be satisfied with this? This defense is unacceptable but so has the qb play the past few years.
game 4 and the players are getting ready to start back biting and pointing fingers. they got rid of some of them last year but it is going to start….the locker room will become cancerous!
Manning completes his passes because he gets rid of the ball and throws to a spot and trusts that his Receivers are going to be there and make the play.
Vick waits until he sees his Receiver Open and by the time her releases and the ball arrives it’s too late where the Defender is able to close in.. Vick rarely throws to a spot except the Deep Ball which is his strength in passing, but on the short/medium,intermediate routes, he waits a tad too long
part of it is his lack of size so he has to drop bak further to see the 10-20 yards down the field and the other part is his lack of confidence and timing with his Receivers
agreed paul. part of it is also he does not anticipate throws. and this isnt just lets blame the eagles 2013 pass catching weapons either, mikes been like this his entire career.
Even a broke clock is right twice a day…paul spot on. You also failed to mention that his recognition of defenses allows him to put the receivers in the right spot…the open spot.
Yes indeed, Manning’s ability to decipher Coverages and expose mis-matches are perhaps his greatest strength and probably the best in NFL History..
I don’t expect many other QB to ever be close to Mannings ability, but there are many easy pre-snap reads that can be made to help every QB as to determine whether it’s a Zone, Man Coverage, Cover 2, Cover 3, Strong Side Blitz coming, Weak Side Blitz coming etc, etc to help you Determine where you are likely to pass the ball to.. But Receivers have to be on that same page as do the Play Calls themselves.
Anearlier Post mentioned the Size of Bronco’s Receivers
Well I remember the 10 Years Manning QB with the Colts, His primary receivers were Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Antonthy Gonzales, Austin Collie who were not big Receivers by any stretch and Manning and his Recievers still put up some pretty good numbers while being there.. .
With the NFL rules any decent coach could take high school kids and get them open. You just have to get the ball there on time
Vick is being too careful with the ball. For Vick, holding the ball too long is the equivalent of McNabb throwing the ball in the dirt.
Since Vick threw the picks against the Chiefs he has been overly cautious.
yup. he knows he cant be turning the ball over if he wants another payday.
on sunday Mike Vick was going to be keeping an eye open to see who wasn’t believing in each other in the locker room
on thursday Mike Vick is going to holding a video conference pointing out “verbatim” who is making him hold onto the ball too long and look bad
You forgot Tuesday when he was the Catalyst for Everything and was about to become the leader that God intended him to be.
bahahaaaaaaaaa
The Eagles biggest problem is they do not score enough touchdowns when they get in the red zone. That has been Vick’s problem under Reid and Kelly. My 1 defense of Vick is that Celek has dropped far too many passes. They move the ball much better under Kelly’s offense. Very few 3 and outs. The red zone requires a good quarterback to be quick and precise with his actions. The lack of talent at receiver and quarterback surfaces in the red zone. Elite qb’s are hard to find and needed to be a contender. It doesn’t look like there is one on the roster.
How do we know? We dont because the starter now has gotten his 10th try at being even a good NFL QB. He can’t make the Anticipation throws or touch passes an NFL caliber QB can. Bah he will have a few more Good games and all the worshippers will come out and say everyone is clueless but in the end still the same old shit….I want to have a QB that is Elite and makes those calls and passes…These people are satisfied because they love Vick…It’s whatever, Ill watch Briese and Rogers and Brady on Prime time carving up defenses and Then we are on national TV 2 weeks in a row Getting slaughtered and our QB can’t even match Alex Smith Yet Peyton Manning…..This site gives me a headache.
So true. Its so depressing watching Brees last Monday night. Why can’t we have a qb like that?
Nope. I’m supposed to be happy with a 50% scrub who rips off the odd “exciting” 60 yard run or long bomb every 3rd game or so.
This article is about how ling Mike Vick holds the ball.
If this year was an aberration, then ya, I’d be inclined to look at the Wrs, playcalling, whatever.
But he’s been on 2 teams with 4 coaches over, what? 11 seasons.
And each and every year he’s top 5 in “release time” and top in sacks taken after 3 seconds.
Ever. Single. Year.
At some point, you have to start looking at the constant in the equation.
Someone needs to right a post/article about what it means for a man to keep his word…
write* know would get some flack from the professors here
No worries RealTalk777 cause he ain’t (I ain’t worried about the grammar police. 😉 a man of his word… he’s a WELCHER. But be certain to examine his comments because until he can comprehend the game conceptually as opposed to statistically then what he says is pure comedy. Vinnie the Welcher is to have fun with… not to take seriously. Besides, he’s a Giants Fan.
If I were a Giants fan, I’d be hoping the Birds resign Vick to another contract. Then I wouldn’t have to worry about them for the next few years.
if you were a Giants fan do you think you would keep your word?
All you do is cherry pick which stats you think make your case, and ignore those that don’t.
So you’ll keep talking about comp% and PFF release times, and ignore that he’s top 10 in qb rating. Or that PFF has him the top 5 in most pressured Qbs, and that’s accounting for his “release time”. Or that he was the highest rated player on O in the Broncos game.
At some point, you have to start looking at how wrong you are when trying to hate on Vick.
Seriously skayne go google his career stats…Mediocre at best except for his running…But thats acceptable to you? It’s ok to watch other teams toss Briese Manning Rogers out there year after year and see other teams draft Luck Wilson and RG3…But we keep getting served Vick and your fine with that…Hell you must live off peanutbutter and jelly cause why the hell would you want Prime Rib right? So What your saying is we have to accept mediocre QBing at best because it’s Vick? I demand better than that thank you. I am an Eagles fan Not a Vick fan….It’s garbage that myself or anyone else has to defend ourselves to mediocre performances…If it was anyone else you would be screaming to get rid of him….How about chetty picking this stat eagles are middle of the pack in drops…Denver receivers lead the league in drops…Im just wasting my time typing but whatever.
Top 10 in qb rating is acceptable, and it would be for anyone who’s unbiased. But you’re not unbiased, are you? You hate Vick plain and simple. You’re not getting mediocre Qbing, if you want that put Foles in.
Would love to have RG3, he’s not available. Neither is Wilson, Luck, or Manning. What was available was Foles, and he’s not close to being better than Vick.
What you keep getting served is garbage defense, but that doesn’t matter cuz you hate Vick.
To bring up Rivers, when Vick had more passing yards than him on less attempts in the game we played against him, is ridiculous. Rivers got to go against our D, but the D’s performance doesn’t matter, it’s all about Vick.
You could get anyone you think is a top qb, and they wouldn’t win with this D either. Brees had a losing record playing with the Saints D last year, our D is on pace to be worse.
But that doesn’t matter cuz you hate Vick.
Your really a stooge my man. It has nothing to do with hate it has to do with 5 years of this…Good game bad game bs..Make a good play turn it over and Pick six. VICK IS MEDIOCRE…21K yards in 11 years in this day and age is a JOKE. You have a lame excuse for everything…”Other teams receivers fight for the ball Not ours” So full of crap. it will be ok though you can sleep in the bed with your MV7 Night light to keep all the scary monsters away.
Don’t even think about bringing up the Saints problems last year. Brees or otherwise. You may remember there were other factors in play.
The Eagles D is bad. That does not make Vick a good QB.
And no the Eagles probably wouldn’t be winning with Foles at QB. Team is isn’t good enough…but at least we’d get to watch a young QB develop. Better than watching a 33 yrs old soon to be free agent QB make the same mistakes he was making in 2003.
Who won the game. QBs are judged on wins
0nly haters see our defense give up 539 yards, our offense score 30 with the qb going 22-36 for 429 with only 20 minutes TOP, and blame the qb.
Which just makes your hate even more obvious.
Your looking at one game…Vicks bad games always cancel out his good ones. You can quote that San Diego game all you want because if you switched QBs Eagles Beat the Chargers Easily. No way Vick would pick the Eagles defense apart like Rivers did. He would just go bombs away to Royal. Speaking of which..didn’t he miss3/4 long passes to Desean that should have been TD’s? Ok Just saying.
You just prove more and more how much of a hater you are. Rivers got to go against our terrible D and barely won.
I’ve already explained to you that when in press man you attack vertically. Rivers was throwing short to take advantage of soft zone coverage. Which our bad D plays a lot of.
And Vick missed 2 of those long throws due to pressure in his face. But since you only focus on Vick, your hater brain doesn’t acknowledge that.
And Rivers followed up that game with two more great games….Vick had 2 subpar games…Mediocre Vick strikes again. Not hate here just reality.
skayne
October 4, 2013 – 3:03 pm
You just prove more and more how much of a hater you are. Rivers got to go against our terrible D and barely won.
AND GUESS WHAT VICK GOT TO GO AGAINST THE CHARGERS PASS D WHICH IS STATISTICALLY AS BAD AS OURS AND IN SOME CATEGORIES WORSE AND VICK LOST
Vick is 1-9 in his last 10 Eagle Starts, enough seen and said, by this old fading Eagle Fan…
Eagles are 13-25 in their 38 NFL Games…Throw all the bums out
and that includes Vick,Herremans,Celek,Cole,Ryans,Allen
Hey- whats the topic today? Oh wow… crazy.
I will say… at least you guys are doing this on a post ABOUT the qb. I guess i cant complain then.
Disappointments with the 2013 Eagles Offense 1/4 of the Season
1) The O/Line and in particular the middle (from LG Mathis to Center Kelce to RG Herremans has not been very good or consistent) Issues at RT with Rookie Lane Johnson in pass protection I expected being a Rookie, but he’s done very well in Run Blocking..
2) The Collective TE Position has really had a minor impact on this Offense where I and probably many others, thought the TE Position would be emphasized and make more Plays.. It Just hasn’t happened..
3) The WR Position is very weak after D-Jax/Avant.. When is Cooper & D Johnson going to make Plays, When is Chip Kelly and OC going to utilize their skill set to give them more opportunities to make Plays
all we heard all Summer is how Danarius JOhnson looks great and how he will thrive in the this Offense, where is he being used.. Run some Reverses, Bubble Routes, Put in Motion, Run some Drag Routes (like Welker and Edleman do) , get the Ball in his hands 5-6-7 Times a Game and see what he can do
Riley Cooper is an excellent down the field Blocker in the Running Game, But as a Receiver, he cannot get seperation and still has not learned how to properly use his size and body in order to gain better position on the Ball.. If he hasn’t learned this in what 3-4 Years now, it’s time to cut the chord and move on..
I like what McCoy and Polk have done at RB
I am not impressed with Bryce Brown for he tries to take every Carry to the outside and turn the corner and seems incapable or unwilling to square his shoulders up and pound the rock up thru the middle and big boys for a 4-5 Yard Gain..also his Blocking is atrocious in Pass-Protection.. Bryce Brown as I predicted, will be a 1 Year Wonder and gone after this Season..
Polk gives Versatility,Heart, Ball Security and a Toughness that Brown simply lacks ..
Overall, QB Vick has played well enough to have the Eagles with a better than 1-3 Record, but the Reality is that the Eagles Defense is so poor and the SPecial Teams giving up big plays, that Vick has to almost play a perfect game for them to win and we all know that’s impossible to consistently do.. I do not blame Vick, but since I see a ton of other Issues and Rebuilding that needs to be needed, I would rather see the Team being led by QB Foles so we can find out if he can play or not at the NFL Level..
As I stated back in January when the Eagles announced the re-signing of Vick that is just didn’t make sense to me to have a Rebuilding Season with lots of new PLayers, New Coachs and Shcemes and try to coach a 33 Year Old (11 Year Veteran) some new Tricks..and for what a 5-6 Win Season..
Rough it out and man-up Owner Lurie, GM Roseman,and yes Coach Kelly, this is going to take some time and was never going to be a 1 Year Off-Season Fix, be honest in your assesments, and make the approriate changes but playing a bung of underperforming, overpaid Veterans who were a big part of the losing cultuer that’s been at Novecare for the last 2-3 Seasons makes no sense ..
What are you going to learn about Mike Vick, Brett Celek, Todd Herremans,Trent Cole, DeMeco Ryans, Nate Allen in 2013 that you already didn’t know about … Cut the Chord you Big 3 (Lurie,Roseman & Kelly) Puss-Bags and Man-Up and get to the real hard Work that’s ahead and that’s it’s going to take to get this Franchise back to a Competitve Team.. for Lurie & Roseman, You deserve this for you were part of the Problem of how it got this bad to begin with and Kelly, You knew the Deal when you were offered and accepted the Eagles Job, No Excuses from you either…
Pman- agree all around. I am in favor of moving to Foles only AFTER the birds are buried in the standings and if they do not plan to bring him back next year. Otherwise- lets let it play out a little.
This O so far has played well enough to be 2-2 with losses to a much better Broncos team and should have been closer with the Chiefs.
They could easily win 3 out of their next 4 but we shall see. Lots of season left to be played… this is the team they built.. lets see how it runs for a while.
You are reading more sanity/clarity about the eagles offense than you will ever hear, read anywhere, never at the local level, certainly not at the national level, xevious, paulman, vinnie have broken it down as about as accurately, truthfully as you will ever hear, Philly sports fans, the real fans, can’t be bullshitted, enough is enough with Vick,mim with xevious,mouth anyone in there but no more Vick
Funny the Vickpologists before the season said, ‘with a running game Vick will dominate’, shady is a stud… ‘With a coach that doesn’t go bombs away Vick will dominate’ and ‘Kelly will let Vick get the ball in the hands of all his weapons’ now with a short passing game and holding the ball his weapons don’t get open???his weapons now suck, he holds the ball because blah blah… Which is it?
The offense has been very good. You haters criticize Vick and the offense cuz it hasn’t been perfect, so goes this endless debate.
If your not a Vick hater you recognize the problems are on D, not in the offense being perfect.
The Offense has not been very good Skayne, it rank’s 28th out of 32 Teams in Red-Zone Scoring Efficiency.. Scoring only 3 Points is not enough to win in the NFL, Offense’s need to close the Deal and score TD’s (7Pts)
Too many Penalties, Negative Plays and even the FG Kicker Henery is struggling … This Offense will make big plays, roll up the Yards, but if it continues to bog down once in the Red-Zone, those Yards become meaningless in my book, it’s how you finish the Drive not the yards in-between that really matter
The problem is 3-15 in the redzone…Near the bottom in redzone scoring. 2 td’s given up the other way in 4 games…..Haveacigar is right on all those things were heard before the season…It just never ever materializes. How long before you turn on Chip Kelly because he’s hurting Vicks career?
It’s what Vick haters do, focus only on the stats they want to. RZ is only one measure of the offense. How is only one stat used to say the offense hasn’t been very good?
I love Chip Kelly and what he’s doing on offense. You’re the one who turned on Kelly cuz he chose Vick. And as usual, in hater world, 3-15 is all Vick’s fault.
You don’t succeed in the Red-Zone, you don’t score TD’s and have to Settle for FG’s, when you settle for FG’s, you lose the Game..
Why is this so hard for you to understand Skyane….
All other Offensive Categories are meaninghless, Total Yards, first Downs and even Time of Possession gets skewed, It’s what do you do with the Ball when you have it and how many TD’s can you score
You do not win in Today’s NFL by settling FG’s…
Why is it so hard for you to understand the problem is defense? RZ offense isn’t even close to the biggest problem on this team. The defense is.
I want better RZ offense, but not more than better defense.
Well I have to inform you that you won’t get either anytime soon
Give it up Skayne, You need to move on from the MV7 Experience
Can we all agree that a successful offense scores points? Can we also agree that the birds are not scoring? Since the first half at Washington with all the turnovers the offense has been pedestrian at best
One of his weapons do suck compared to one that went down…..Maclin to Cooper….I know injuries happen, but Cooper isn’t even on 2 levels below Maclin..Also address dropped balls,,,but that’s right, Celek gets a pass, the TE who has been one the, the league leaders in dropped passes, since he’s arrival in the NFL….
Don’t other teams receivers drop balls? Brady has you at one receiver spot me at another and creaking paulman at tight end yet he gets his receivers open.
The dropped passes argument just kills me…watch teams other than the eagles they all drop
Brady has a better defense…Brady had a game where he completed 48.7 of his passes and his team still won!!
His team only put up 13 points…he win that game on his own…or did his defense only allowing 10 points have something to do with it….
Also in his last game he completed less than 60% of his passes (55%) and his team still won…with a 23-21 score….
Brady 7 pass TD’s 1,014
Vick 5 pass and 2 rushing 1080 yards passing 228 yards rushing
Brady completes 58.9% of his passes…
Vick 55.1%
Stats are damn near identical…
New England is a middle of a pack defense, Eagles defense ranked near the bottom…that’s the difference…
You are right. Vick has had a career of bad coaches, bad team mates, bad play calling, bad defenses. The hall of fame voters will take all of this into consideration I’m sure. He is thebest. If only the people around him were even half decent.
Brady had one of his best years when the patriots had a poor defense.
dont’ avoid/change the subject…Brady is winning putting up mediocre numbers (similar to Vicks) this year, this season….not talking about years before…point is even HOF QB needs help from teammates! …The problem is you’d rather blame Vick for the losses, when arguably one of the best QB’s in NFL history is putting up similar numbers but his defense is playing more solid than the Eagles…you the one who brought Brady into the convo….
Great points Real and he immediately tried to change the focus. Same with article about Vick holding the ball not being the problem but here come all the nonsense that he is the problem, because sitting on their asses at home the posters on here know more then everyone else.
I don’t blame Vick for the losses… They are expected to lose this year. This is a rebuild and the defense is horrible. That said why go into a rebuild with a 33 year old mediocre qb. I don’t get it and that is where the frustration lies.
And Brady is on the downside of his career too.
If he wasn’t a 3x SB winner and MVP there’s be people talking about him to.
Unfortunatly, you Vick lovers fail to appreciate that Brady is going to get a ‘pass’ for his troubles….you know….because of the hall of fame, 50 tds in a season, 3 SBs business. Not that a Vick fan would ever think that shit is important, because running fast is all that is important.
Vick has done nothing for his entire career….so when he’s rotting at the bottom of the QB metrics and still making the same errors he he was making 10 years ago, he doesn’t get the same benefit of the doubt.
Brady and the Pat’s haven’t won a thing since 2004 when they cheated the Eagles out of the SB. Brady and the Pats have not won a SB (while in a very weak conference) since spy gate. Why did the league burn the evidence again???
Pats win SB… league changes the rules because Pats defenders MUGGED Rams receivers. Receivers now get 5 yards before they get Mugged. LOL
Brady gets hit, fumbles the ball in crucial situation, and NFL creates the tuck rule… Where is that rule now by the way? Brady gets hit when an opposing linemen is pushes into his leg and Mr. Pocket passer himself gets his knee blown out and the NFL creates the “contact zone” for QBs (well for everyone except Vick that is). How much of this league has become about Brady and the Pats success???
Last questions… Why can’t Brady and the Pats beat the Giants when it counts? Who’s fault was it that the Pats lost the last SB they were in? Was is really Welker’s??? Bill O’Brian might have something to say about that I mean he did rip Brady an new A hole after Brady blamed inaccurate passes on his WRs. Did the Pats really deserve to be in that SB I mean when they played the Ravens in the previous game. Jim Harbaugh thought it was 4th down when it was really 3rd that’s why he rushed the kicker in… but then again you know how it goes in Foxborough…. 😉
Marcus, oops I mean skayne do you even watch the games?
Do you watch the games?
As far as I know, you probably aren’t aware that there are eleven players on our team who take the field when the offense comes off, but you’re probably too focused on Vick.
Hmmm Defense really only gave up 14 first half points. And 38 for the game…so if henery makes the field goal he missed and celek catches the TD…It’s 20-14 Eagles at half…..that being said it was still only 21-13 not bad….what happened in qtr 3? What was dropped? 14-27….Denver scores 31 second half points….we score 7? Chip Kelly week one goes for it without hesitation on 4th down. this week No thanks….why? He lost confidence somewhere right? Too logical for you isn’t?
It was a fluke that the defense only gave up 14. They weren’t on the field when the STs allowed a kickoff return, and that was the only thing in their favor.
Manning missed a deep ball when Decker smoked Williams, and on one 3rd down Welker slipped when he was wide open. The drive before HT the d was helped out by a personal foul penalty on Denver.
So once the fluke shit stopped happening, they got torched in the 2nd half.
And Kelly said he punted cuz he wanted to give the d a long field, is that too logical for you?
Coach talk to protect his player. My point is Our Awesome Offense couldn’t keep up not even close…Andrew P pointed out how bad Denver’s pass defense was…Worse than ours infact. So Vick should have been able to take advantage of that defense like the prior teams..but he couldn’t score could he? I just want the Eagles to be good and try to find a great not OK QB. Tired of Vick seen enough and heard enough of the excuses. The idea is for the team to win, not glorify a man that isnt that good.
week 1, he handed the ball off on a short yardage to McCoy for the first down…4th and 1…lost confidence in MCoy? or are you implying he lost confidence in the O Line? because Vick really wasn’t involved on that play, for him to lose any confidence…..????
Vick was unable to overcome all of Reid’s incompetence in later years in play-calling and DC’s.
It’s statements like this that make me cringe and laugh at the same time bahahahahahahahahaha…..Vick can’t overcome his own incompetence.
It’s statements like yours expose your hate obsession. You threw a tantrum when Kelly chose Vick, and it’s been hate ever since.
Vick will continue to be starter, too bad it sucks for you. He’s going nowhere, and you’ll continue to be mad.
Lol and we won’t ever win but you will be happy. Kelly Chose Vick 6 months ago and everyone knew it, so there was nothing to be mad about. Read my posts from 6 months ago I predicted this exact scenario…Good thing you enjoy being a loser.
This entire discussion is hilarious. Again why are we talking about the QB? Is he the reason this team is 1 and 3 simple question. If you answer yes then obviously you have an agenda point blank period. Silly ass nonsense. I’m done here like Vinnie was supposed to be.
This story is about the QB and Ive been quiet for the past month or so for the most part. But to answer your Question, He is deinitely a part of it…Cant say it would really matter who was the QB in Denver..But for the other two losses he had a part of it. The QB is always a focal point of the drama and discussion too. Especially this one where you have a cult of worhippers that love them some Vick…..DCAR where you at Brother talk some wisdom to the cultists.
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Buffalo Bills QB EJ Manuel sprains Knee and will be out up to 3-5 Weeks and the Bills are in a Market for a QB rimmeadiately as their back-Up QB, Tuehl is not an NFL Ready QB..
Bills have inquired about Back-Up QB Nick Foles for Safety Jarius Byrd straight up.. Eagles and Roseman trying to get a 4th Round PIck also per my Sources…
Stay tuned on this one …
TIME!!!! Its going to take time guys. This team will be better… but it will take time.
Over the past 5 years this D has made so-so qb’s look like All stars and All stars look like Gods. You cant rebuild a team over night. YES, the colts did it a year ago and looked good with a brand new qb named Luck.. but guess what…. they only scored 30 or more points 2 times all of last year. And they scored a whopping 9 points in the playoffs. For the last time…. the ENTIRE TEAM NEEDS TO IMPROVE like theirs did. btw- their D only gave up 30 or more points 3 times the entire season… guess what…. 3 losses.
Stop making it 1 guy. Its a team!
I am going on Record that Eagles will not win another Game this 2013 Season
and Finish 1-15 and tied with Jaguars for the Worst Record in the NFL
Jaguars win the Coin Toss and get the #1 Overall Pick while the Eagles get the #2 Pick
With th 1st Overall Pick of the 2014 Draft
Jaguars Select QB teddy Bridgewater from Louisville
With the 2nd Overall Pick of the 2014 Draft
Eagles select OT Jason Matthews of Texas A &M
GM Howie Roseman is found the next Morning hanging from WIlliam Penn’s Statute atop City Hall in Cement Shoes… Some reports states that the Shoes are a very fine Italian Leather only made by 1 Shoe Company in the World and that by chance, Owner Jeff Lurie’s has the same size and closet full of these Fine Italian Shoes calls “Bolla Shoes”
Chip Kelly holds a Press-Conference later that afternoon and claims, “Hey Guys, It’s only Football, who gives a Crap”
The grumbling Vick haters will abandon all of the clear obvious facts! They have been despondent since Vick won the job fair and square. If the Eagles go on to win and make the playoffs, the Vick haters will continue to spew their nonsense! Here are the clear facts: 1. Vick is being pressured more than most QB’s in the league 2. The offensive line is doing a poor job pass protecting 3. The receivers outside of DJax are slow and have a hard time getting separation! 4. Mike Vick in the face of the above 3 is rated as a top ten QB. 5. His biggest fault last year was turnovers…Vick’s turnovers are down 6. Vick is making excellent decisions, holding the ball and running for good yardage when receivers are covered. These are the clear facts- Vick haters have no credibility!
And Vick’s Led eagle Oofebs is Ranked 28th out of 32 QB in Rwd-Zone Scoribg Effieciency when a QB has to make it count and be at his best
3 TD’s in 15 Trips has cost the Eagłes 2 very winnable Games which will eliminate the Wagles of any Post-Season despite the shitty Eagłes Defense
No Excuses, Stystemvis perfectly designed for him is what I read all Summer and post Week 1 win over the bungling Redskins..
Proof is in the Pudding 1-3 in 2013c 1-9 Dating back to 2012 and the Wagkes are 13-25 in their last 38 NFL Games
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Colts RB Ahmad Bradshaw comtemtplating Suregery on his injured neck which will end hios Season and quite possibly his Career…
Rumor is the Colts are in the market for a “Scat Back” to back up Starter Trent Richardson and back-up Don Brown..
People have lost their minds. Now we have to score 30 points a game in order to validate our offense being worthy? where do these ridiculous expectations come from? So if the Eagles beat the Giants 17-14 that’s not good enough? Where are these warped concepts of football coming from. Den scores 52 with 36 scored by their offense and people are crying saying the Eagles offense should have scored 35. No concept of how the game played out TOP ect. to continue to bitch about the QB after a game like that is laughable. then again it was the QB’s fault we lost to SD too any loss is basically the QB. Keep salivating over Phillip Rivers and he is 2-2 and also has never done a damn thing in his career worth noting.
Dumb Eagles fan: Hey guy’s did you see Tom Brady last night, see that’s what I’m talking about with Michael Vick. Brady has zero wr and look at him winning. lol
Zero concept of what goes into winning football games. Its like a pre teens approach to the sport.
Are you serious….??? Did you really just post this??? Brady’s completion percentage is up to 58.9% from around 55% the previous week… He got reemed by the NE media for his sideline temper tantrums and was forced to admit he was part of the problem… Please stop praising the best SYSTEM QB (well second to Montana that is) for playing in a system catered to him and for a coach who will cut any WR on the spot that does not run a crisp route.
first of I was being sarcastic as to how some of these lame fans look at the game as if it is that simple to sum up a players success or failure relating them to other successful players like a Tom Brady. Secondly you are crazy if you think Tom Brady is anything short of the man however you do make a point for me. nobody is crying about Brady’s completion % being low or how many point they score a game. He could win 17-14 or lose 21-14 nobody is going to say omg this offense is horrible like they saying here over two games of mediocrity, mostly due to the defenses inability to get off the field or get any 3 and outs. All Qb’s have system’s to help them some like Peyton are privileged to run the same system terminology wherever they go, but don’t slight the ability of great players bc of that.
And Kelly’s system was tailored made for Vick…