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If They’re After McDermott’s Job, They Shouldn’t Be

There’s been a great deal of talk over the last couple of days about defensive coordinator Sean McDermott’s job security because ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio said his job is in jeopardy or that it should be in jeopardy.  I’m not sure what exactly Sal said but it doesn’t take a genius to know that McDermott is still finding his way.

Yes, I would have liked to have seen McDermott move Asante Samuel over on Kenny Britt during the Titans game, but I don’t think that’s a reason for him to lose his job.  He had the guy double-teamed.  Usually that should be enough.

Other than putting Samuel on him, there’s nothing else he could have done.

McDermott couldn’t have put the entire secondary on Britt.  He couldn’ t have blitzed and left Britt in a man-to-man situation.

Remember, McDermott’s defense has played some good football this year.  They were having a good game against the Titans until that 4th quarter.

They haven’t been the best defense in the league, but they’re no where near the bottom either.  They’re playing quite a few young players, so it’s understandable that they haven’t played their best football at this point in the season.

Right now, they are ninth in the league in yardage allowed and about 20th in points allowed.  In addition to that, I don’t know their exact  position in the league with regard to turnovers, but they’ve got to be doing quite well in that area.  I can think of quite a few games in which they put up big turnover numbers.

In the Tennessee game they forced three turnovers, which isn’t bad when you think about the way they shut down Chris Johnson.  Remember that they also stopped Frank Gore and Michael Turner.

I do think McDermott has things to learn, but the guy’s in only his second-year at the job. The truth of the matter about the Titans game is that the offense should have put that game away before the fourth quarter.  It was there to be put away and they didn’t do it.

I do know that having a veteran defensive guru like Dick Jauron on the staff doesn’t help McDermott’s security, but I don’t think there’s any reason to replace him.  I thought he did a good job last year and I think he’s doing a good job this year.

GCOBB

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BigE
BigE
October 28, 2010 2:37 pm

The Eagles need to fire their defensive line coach. Babin and Clemons former Eagles each have about six sacks a piece and with the Eagles were busts. First round draft choices are average DT’s Patterson and Bunkley, and a free agent is thriving. Get rid of this guy who has been moved around in the organization to cover his incompetence.

BigE
BigE
October 28, 2010 2:39 pm

Rory Segrest Defensive Line Coach

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 2:49 pm

I view our defense in two ways. Like most coaches, it would probably take 3 years for McDermott to put his imprint on the defense. We spent some picks on defense this year, and we’ve got some rookies who won’t begin to come into their own until the 2nd and/or 3rd season.

I’m not excusing the defense’s play. I’m just trying to keep things in perspective. Just as I would expect Kolb to make mistakes in his first year as a starter, I expect the same from the defense.

Secondly, Reid’s teams (including the defense) have historically showed improvement as the season has progressed. A prime example is the play of our offensive line this season. They started out horribly, but have since (despite injuries) given Kolb time operate.

Although I’ve made this point repeatedly, I gotta say it again. The offense must sustain drives so that the D can get rest and have time to strategize. This is something that we’d done a good job with until Reid went crazy with the passes against the Titans.

phillywill
phillywill
October 28, 2010 2:51 pm

well im an upgrader
so if their is a sure fire upgrade im all for it
otherwise leave mcdummit there to figure things out
the defense has done just about enough for us to win in every game believe it or not

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 2:54 pm

“Leave McDummit there to figure it out.”

But don’t let Kolb stay in there to do the same? Tres consistent.

phillywill
phillywill
October 28, 2010 2:59 pm

hey vinnie dont just pull out what u want
“well im an upgrader so if their is a sure fire upgrade im all for it”
is vick not a sure fire upgrade
i rest my case
im no hippocrit u wil have a hard time trying to turn me into 1

phillywill
phillywill
October 28, 2010 3:06 pm

if like jemarcus russel was the back up id say the same for kolb leave him in there to figure it out
but also vinnie jj died for mcdummit to get the job
they didnt trade jj and say mcdummit is better
its different i was expecting this all world qb clearly i was bamboozled by fo
kolb is ok but he’s no upgrade over anything
maybe if mike mcmahon was our qb last yr id be geeked for kolb

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 3:07 pm

Vinnie

Where’ve you been? You made some statements and asked a question in Cobb’s Aritlce, “Can Michael Vick Continue to Play Great Football?” I responded, but heard nothing back from you.

drummerwinslow says:
October 27, 2010 at 4:14 am

Vinnie

I haven’t touted anything. I stated my reasons for optimism. Where’d you get the notion that I was touting? Please go back and read my posts.

I have no problem admitting that I’m wrong. Hey, the fact is, I’m just a working stiff who enjoys the game. If I really “knew” the game, I’d be earning top dollar as a coach. I harbor no illusions about who I am.

Before the season began, I clearly stated that I didn’t view Vick as a good NFL quarterback. Since that time, however, he’s shown me something completely different.

I didn’t know about his poor study habits and lack of commitment while in Atlanta. I only learned of those things and his new dedication to the game just recently. I follow the Eagles, not the entire NFL. I just don’t have the time.

I try to judge each play and each player fairly and without pre-supposition. On the other hand, you seem to be doing just the opposite.

What makes you think teams have no film on Vick? He’s been in the league since 2001. Haven’t teams defensed him based on his “old tendencies?” To this point, they’ve discovered that his “old tendencies” are just that – old.

If you think Vick will revert to old tendencies, do you think Kolb will revert to his old tendencies as well? As a mater of fact it seems he already has. His 4.6 yard completion average says a lot. Those balls thrown into coverage aren’t new either.

You mentioned Vick running in the Washington game. Didn’t Vick’s run spark the offense? Unfortunately, he was hurt, the offense stalled under Kolb and we lost the game. However, I’m fairly certain that Vick hasn’t run the ball any more than Kolb.

Don’t forget, Kolb was also injured running the ball. He didn’t get anywhere, but he wasn’t standing in the pocket when he suffered the concussion.

There isn’t a QB in the league who doesn’t run sometimes. Besides, Reid has encouraged Vick to run (after he’s made his reads and if nothing is there).

In the two games he played, Vick didn’t show a propensity to bail on a play. Contrarily, it was Kolb who was more likely to bail.

“If” is such a big word. There are a million “ifs.” How can you single out one or two?

If Kolb had hit Maclin and/or Celek those times they were wide open, we could have won.
If the offense hadn’t gone 3-and-out 4 consecutive times we could have won.
If Kolb hadn’t fumbled or thrown those picks, we could have won.

How can you blame a loss on a play that works only 1 out of 10,000 times? It’s called a “Hail Mary” because it has only a “prayer” of a chance to work. Besides, Avant’s job was not to catch the Hail Mary. His job was to deflect the ball to Celek. The play is designed that way because the defense is trying to bat the ball to the ground. Avant couldn’t say it to the media because he’d be giving away the strategy. Hugh Douglas reported the strategy.

Since you’r interested in making admissions. Can you admit that you’re viewing Vick unfairly and Kolb through rose-colored glasses? At the very minimum, can you admit that I never touted Vick as anything?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 28, 2010 3:08 pm

It wasn’t McDermotts fault of how the secondary played…There were a few poorly thrown balls, that Britt adjusted to and made great plays on the ball (same as Cooper did) I do believe the defense is playing a little apprehensive at times, which is a result of the play calling..The D line and linebackers aren’t doing to bad of a job…However, Bradley is underachieving right now…But McDermott can’t play for them…I truly hate when coaches are blamed for the players play! The coach can’t play for you, the player makes more money than the coach in most cases and should be held at a hire accountability for their actions on the field before looking at the coach

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 28, 2010 3:10 pm

LMAO @ Drummer

thats how you track him down!

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 3:23 pm

Real

Can’t have anyone making untrue statements about me. Then, disappearing.

phillywill
phillywill
October 28, 2010 3:26 pm

haha clearly i have to save my post now and read them be4 i post again lol

rcp1936
rcp1936
October 28, 2010 3:34 pm

Except for 2 plays the Eagles would be 5 and 1

Dropped Hail Mary in the Skins game

Fumble on the 3 in the Titans game

phillywill
phillywill
October 28, 2010 3:48 pm

lol rcp very sad

phillywill
phillywill
October 28, 2010 3:50 pm

if my aunt had a d she’d be my uncle
but since its the if game
if vick played the full game we win both those games
most would agree

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 28, 2010 3:51 pm

Players who will not be on the Eagles Defense in 2011

DT M Patterson, LB E Sims and CB E Hobbs, CB J Hanson, LB O Gaither
DE J Parker (Depends on how he finishes)

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 28, 2010 4:05 pm

Overall, the Eagles D has played better in 2010
their biggest isuues seem to be that they wear down and fade in the 4th Quarter
and their 3rd % Conversion on stopping teams needs to imperove (So they can get off the field)
have to meminize thier penalties and of course, their Red-Zone #’s need to improve
# 9th in Overall Defense is an improvement and not bad, but 20th in points allowed means they are giving up big plays (as we saw with the Titans and even the Lions game) and won’t get it done versus the high-powererd offenses coming up on the schedule (Colts/Texans/Giants/Vikings/Cowboys) in particular. Only the Bears/Redskins left on the Eagles schedule are Offense’s without any consistent
big-play capability since those teams lack true #1 WR’s..

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
October 28, 2010 4:22 pm

if I had a million dollars I tell ya what I’d do man……two chicks at the same time man….

name that movie…that’s an easy one…

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 28, 2010 4:23 pm

Current Eagles Players that will not be back in 2011 on Offense

QB K Kolb, C J Jackson, LT J Peters, FB L Weaver and possibly RB J Harrison (depending how he perfroms) or RB E Buckley

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 28, 2010 4:24 pm

To WWW

Home Alone (the XXX Version) …

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
October 28, 2010 4:24 pm

I don’t know about firing McD…but he needs to get this D on the right track. We need to put games away and keep them away if we’re going to come out on top this season. Too much of letting teams back in at the end.

yeahyeahyeah
yeahyeahyeah
October 28, 2010 4:26 pm

Office Space www!!!!

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 4:27 pm

RCP

Yesterday is history.
Tomorrows’s a mystery.
Today is a gift and that’s why it’s called the present. Why not open the gift?

yeahyeahyeah
yeahyeahyeah
October 28, 2010 4:28 pm

The Head Coach is a terrible adjustment game day coach so why would McDermott be any better….

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 4:32 pm

Holy shite….I just wrote a big response and poof it disappeared….just like Mike Vick’s past apparantly.

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
October 28, 2010 4:35 pm

YYY..good job…you get todays prize…A D in a box! And here’s our presenter…Justin Timberlake!

WellWellWell
WellWellWell
October 28, 2010 4:36 pm

PM, I know you’re joking right? Why wouldn’t Weaver be here..he just signed a contract…

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 4:40 pm

Vinnie

LOL!!!!

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 4:42 pm

I agree with PM. Weaver’s career is over. For someone with his size to rehabilitate multiple injuries in one knee, I don’t think he’d be nearly the same player.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 4:44 pm

It went kinda like this:

“In the two games he played, Vick didn’t show a propensity to bail on a play. Contrarily, it was Kolb who was more likely to bail.”
Ummmm….Kolb has 97 completions, 10 sacks, and 10 scrambles. He runs once every 10 completions. The idea that he’s a puss who won’t stay in the pocket is bogus.
Vick has 59 completions, 11 sacks and 26 scrambles. Hmmmm….that’s weird. One scramble for every 2 completions. And he gets sacked almost 2x as much. Must be the amazing Jax pass rush and the horrible Tenny rush.

Kolbs yrds/att is low. At 6.77 he’s an amazing 0.11 yrds behind Tom Brady. Kolb goes through his reads and when he sees nothing he tosses it to Daniels. Its boring. Its dull. It drops his avg. Quite sure that’s what he’s been told to do. Vick sees nothing and scrambles. Is he making his reads? Not sure, but he seems to like to leave the pocket.

I am not pre-supposing anything. I have watched the NFL.
Vick…over his career:
Never thrown more than 20 TDs in a season
Relies on deep ball.
Inaccurate 54% career
Fumbler: 57 over his career
Never met a checkdown he liked…scramble it up. Result. Exciting plays and a full 16 game season only once.
When he rolls left, he ignores everything to the right of the left hash. Teams will soon remember this.

Finally. The league has only 2 games of film on him with Birds. They were not prepared for him at all. Now they will be. D co-ordinators adjust. Its what they do. Remember also, that the majority of players were not on field when Vick did his first go-around. They have heard about his speed, but were not prepared for it. They will also adjust. Just ask Chris Johnson.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 4:45 pm

ty drummer

Paul Mancini
Paul Mancini
October 28, 2010 4:54 pm

To WWW,
As Drummer stated, his re-hab is going to be a long road and I just do’t see the Eagles paying him
all that $$$ for a player who may be able to return at 100%, I think they found a comparable replacement in Schmitt at 1/10 the Cost.. Maybe they can invite him Weaver) back, but not at his current Salarary, but first and foremost,there is a good possibilty that he can’t even come and play at all or at least at a high level..

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 4:55 pm

Point 1

Kolb’s completions have primarily been short and to running backs. Reid changed the offense because Kolb wouldn’t look downfield. To make him go downfield, he designated one receiver for a particular play.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 4:59 pm

I disagree. Kolb hasn’t gone through his reads and he’s been unable to complete anything deep (unless the receiver is wiiiiiiide-open).

On the other hand, Peyton Manning has no such problem.

McCoy has been the catalyst to Kolb’s success. He’s played beyond all expectations.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 28, 2010 5:00 pm

No one has time to sit around and wait for McDermott to learn the job. Just like Andy doesn’t have time to wait fr Kolb develop (which is why Vick is playing) he doesn’t have time to wait for McDermott to produce a CONSISTENT defense especially with Jauron on the staff. McDermott is in the same exact position as Kolb. Kolb was under McNabb and eventually took over BUT replaced by a veteran player who is just better at the position. McDermott under JJ, took over BUT you probably have someone on the staff is a better D coordinator. Forget that, Jauron is a better D coordinator. He’s had success. So he’s just like Kolb in that aspect. How long does he get before he’s fired? I mean “only his second year” is a ridiculous statement as if he’s has his own personal 5 year plan to be a good coordinator. And you already have someone on the staff who’s better. Having said that, the defense has been dominate at times but they aren’t consistent and are they only going to play well when the offense plays well? Seriously? I don’t fault McDermott as much as the players but at the end of the day he’s easier to replace especially with a very good defensive mind already on the sidelines.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 5:00 pm

Point 2.

If Vick remains the same QB that he was while playing in Atlanta, why would the NFL need additional film on him as an Eagle?

You can’t have it both ways.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 28, 2010 5:02 pm

I like Schmidt, did you see that block he put on one of the ATL falcons defenders when McCoy took that screen pass for about 30 yards…Nicest block I’ve seen from our Eagles this season!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 5:04 pm

Drummer, on numerous occasions, the colour guys were pointing out how Kolb was going through his progressions. Even in the 12-13 yr old touch leage I coach in I give the QBs at least 2 reads.

Do we really have to review the Kolb pass to Desean last year, the Maclin pass, the beautiful lazer up the seam to Celek that he dropped, etc etc. Ya he through a couple that hung up…but all 3 of Collins big throws to Britt were underthrown too. Wind, man.

All I’m saying is you get what you ask for. You guys are asking for Vick. Just don’t be surprised/upset when you get Vick.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 5:04 pm

As I recall, Vick had everyone involved in the offense (check-downs to McCoy included). It seems that you’re reaching.

BTW: You haven’t addressed my making Vick out to be anything more than a “potentially” good QB.

You put words in my mouth.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 28, 2010 5:06 pm

Better make Jauron the coordinator before you lose him and then we’ll be stuck with baby boy hoping that he becomes a good coordinator. One thing that is consistent…… none of the coaches can make an in game adjustment to save their life.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 5:09 pm

The “color guys” saying a lot of crazy things. They’re wrong just as much as they’re right.

In defense, you mention one pass last year? Okay, now I’m convinced!!

I never asked for Vick or Kolb. There you go again making things up about me. It would be nice if you stuck to making things up about Kolb. What I’ve posted is a matter of record. It’s very easy to go back and copy what I posted. Otherwise, I must say that you’re lying.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 5:11 pm

Shall I now refer to you as Vinnietheliar?

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
October 28, 2010 5:12 pm

Yo Vinnie Spend less time doing math…and WATCH THE PHUCKIN GAME

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 28, 2010 5:17 pm

We wanted Vick and we got Vick….Thank you Andy Reid!!!!!

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 5:17 pm

There’s a huge difference between your “touch” league and the NFL.

Because Kolb was unable even “look” Jackson’s way, Reid “dummied down” the offense to that degree.

That was reported by several NFL analysts.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 5:24 pm

Is math too difficult for you to understand Gotta Luv?

I do watch the games. I haven’t missed a Birds game for 20 years (and that’s the rather pathetic truth). You have your bias and I have mine. You think Kolb is terrible, I think he’s been much better than I had anticipated, with, granted, still things that need to be worked on (and the throwing into coverage is distressing), but he needs game\time to work on them. 7 on 7s won’t help him there.

Drummer…I apologize that I get you and all the “Vick is the Saviour” guys mixed up. You say that before the season started you thought Vick wouldn’t be good. 2 games against 20-34 vs Det and 17-31 against Jax changed your mind?

I’m just telling you you better be cautious in your optimism.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 5:27 pm

Vinnie, this is just for you from Ashley Fox.

Jackson would never say it, of course. That would be too scandalous, too controversial, too much a back stab at Kevin Kolb, the man Jackson wanted to be the man, at least until Vick burst back onto the scene.

But the numbers don’t lie. They tell a tale of two players, one with a quarterback who buys him time until Jackson gets open, one with a quarterback who sees that Jackson is covered and never looks back.

With Kolb under center for parts of two games and another full one, Jackson has caught four of the 13 passes thrown his way, for an average of 9.25 yards per catch. That’s right: 9.25 yards per catch. And zero touchdowns.

With Vick under center for parts of two games and two other full ones, Jackson has caught 14 of the 23 passes thrown his way, for an average of 23.1 yards per catch. That’s 324 receiving yards and two touchdowns.

With Vick throwing the ball, Jackson has six catches of 20 or more yards, including four catches of 40 or more yards, the second most of any receiver in the National Football League. With Kolb, Jackson’s longest reception is 20 yards.

It’s simple. Vick has the confidence and the experience to wait for Jackson, who routinely is getting bumped at the line of scrimmage and double teamed, to put a sliver of daylight between himself and his defender(s). Vick knows that if he can buy an extra second or two with his legs, Jackson will reward him. The defense will eventually break down.

Kolb simply doesn’t have the experience or the patience to wait for Jackson to create downfield. It is understandable. Kolb is not as mobile as Vick and certainly at this point in his young career doesn’t have the vision that Vick does. So he sees Jackson blanketed, then turns and looks for Option No. 2 and Option No. 3. After that, there isn’t time to go back to Option No. 1.

So consequently, when you combine Jackson’s Jekyll and Hyde-like statistics, through Sunday’s games he ranks 12th in the NFL with 361 receiving yards. But his 18 catches are tied for 47th with seven other players, including teammate Jeremy Maclin. Eagles running back LeSean McCoy has 10 more catches than Jackson, a reflection of Kolb’s comfort dumping the ball to McCoy when his receivers are covered.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 5:30 pm

Please give me a link to an article saying where the offence was ‘dummed down’

You referring to this one comment from Jackson:
“I think they’re just kind of keeping it a lot simpler,” Jackson said. “Just going out there and doing the base stuff, trying not to have it overly complex for him. Just do things that he’s comfortable with doing.”

Ok. ‘Cause that roll out flea flicker thing was pretty simple. And the fake reverse toss back to Macklin was the same. Pretty basic. Student body right kind of stuff. And the roll-right toss back to Celek (didn’t hit). Just straight up plays.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 28, 2010 5:31 pm

OMG Ashley Fox? Thanks for the expert.

drummerwinslow
drummerwinslow
October 28, 2010 5:33 pm

Vinnie

Time will tell.