The Eagles will place the franchise tag on Pro Bowl quarrterback Michael Vick and put his backup Kevin Kolb on the trading block, according to ESPN. It’s not really a shock to read this but nevertheless it is confirmation of what most of those who follower the Birds were thinking they would do.
Franchising Vick is going to mean he’ll likely make $15 to $18 million dollars next year.
It’ll be very interesting to see what NFL teams are willing to offer for Kolb. I know the Eagles hope to get a number one pick, but we’ll have to wait and see if they feel that good about Kolb.
I think both moves make sense. Franchising Vick gives the Birds a chance to get a longer look at him. Trading Kolb will take away a good backup quarterback, but they’ll be able to help their defense with a high draft pick.
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Any idea on how the Eagles think of Kafka? Will he be a solid back up for the Eagles this year? With the way Vick plays we all know we could see a backup under center for a game or 2 this season. Could Kafka handle himself well enough to keep the Eagles competitive?
how does this franchise tag work might not be a tag in the next deal? can they take the tag away which means that vick will be a free agent? lets hope not. and for trading Kolb i think it is a great opportunity because if the eagles dont trade him he will walk away for nothing next year because he has made it clear he wants to start. If someone like the bills offer up a 2nd and 4th id jump on it.. the 2nd round pick for the bills will be 35 overal pick.. jump on it it if a deal like that comes up.. or trade him for a high caliber player.
Somewhere vinnie is crying
Jacksonville, Seattle, and Miami all need QB’s.
How can they trade Kolb without a new CBA, and what are the chances of a new CBA before the draft?
If by some chance there is a new CBA, I can’t see how we don’t get at least a #1 pick for Kolb. To say there are no sure thing QBs in this year’s draft is an understatement! They are saying that there are going to be a larger number of BUSTS in this years draft (weaker draft + the lock out). Besides, if a team is going to pay $40-60 million for a QB, who would you rather have, an unproven rookie; a 35 year old McNabb (whose best days are behind him); or a 27 year old Kolb who by most accounts has a bright future. If you were a GM, what would you do – knowing if you mess up, you will be OUT within 5 years?
You can add Carolina, Arizona, San Francisco, Minnestoa, Washington and maybe Buffalo and Cleveland to that list of teams needing a QB!
No QB, no play-offs, no job!
People kept saying, including media, they may keep both qbs next year. That was a ridiculous statement. Both qbss have 1 more year left on their contract. That would mean 1 qb would have left the Eagles for NOTHING after next year. ZERO NADA ZILCH. How could the Eagle possibly let Vick or Kolb walk with no compensation? Of course Kolb is gonna be traded. Before March 4th Kolb will have to be gone. Kolb is no better than AJ Feeley.
For those of you that keep saying how can they trade Kolb if theirs no CBA, wake up guys ! Do you really think their wont be no back door moves? Somebody wants Kolb, they and the Eagles agree on the pick, that team picks the player the Eagles want with that pick and when the CBA gets straight the Eagles make a trade with that team, its very simple and dont think stuff like thats not gonna be happening cause its gonna happen all day long.
Kolb for a drfat pick seems like the proper thing to do but we’ll need a backup and a smarter Vick for this move to work. Kolb wasn’t going to sit under Reid again without making waves so let’s get good value for him and remake this super soft Defense. DJack was very political but it’s probably a known conclusion on the “TEAM” that this Defense is the weaker brother in this family
Getting a good backup will be a priority and it will put this once strong position in a flux but I would do it anyway considering the position the Iggles are in. Getting a solid backup is key!
Adam Schefter also reports that MANY teams were after Kolb services last year and that MANY teams want his services this year. He states that KOLB will be the #1 QB on the market. So all the fans putting lists on these sites about available qbs might as well erase them lists. The professional inside reporter who actually talks to teams said KOLB is #1. Thats not a 3rd round pick. Kolb # 1 pick guarenteed. Your not gonna trade him for less than you drafted him.lol I wouldnt be surprised if Kolb goes for a 1 and more.lol Andy has them all fooled lol.
Bladrunner Vick carried this team. Hes starting qb in pro bowl. Why is it always with certain qbs they have to be SMARTER? hmmmm. Hes dumb? If it wasnt for Vick this would have been a 4-12 team. Maybe if Kolb was a little smarter he would of stayed.
Bladerunner answer this question what make you say a smarter vick? Its not Vicks fault he was playing behind and injury prone Oline and inconsistent Defense yet he still led the team to the playoffs and he made another pro bowl
IF we keep Vick, Reid must go…..70% throwing all the will get Vick killed no matter how much film he studies. If we run the ball 30 times against Packers we win easy. If Reid stays u might as well make this D # 1 cause that is what it will take with 3 and out Reid
Bladerunner answer this question what makes you say a smarter Vick? Its not vicks fault he was playing behind a injury prone Oline and inconsistent Defense yet he still led the team to the playoffs and he made another probowl
This is obvious to say the least..It would be very stupid to do anything else other than franchise Vick. Even though we hate on the FO they do know what they are doing for the most part and know that giving Vick a long term 5 yr type of contract(that Vicks agent probably desires) would be dumb because they hold all the cards and can observe Vick in another full season/offseason to see if his play gets better before throwing that long term contract/money at him. And for the record, I don’t think Vick would be all that unhappy with the tag knowing that the Eagles were the team that brought him back from rock bottom and could of easily dumped him after his brothers night club shooting fiasco. They stayed loyal to the guy; and i think Vick appreciates that. All the other talk of long term contract or whatever is just coming from his agent who wants to be paid.
I don’t get why eagles fans always bring up “pro bowl” in talking about the players they favor…pro bowl means shit now with so many players on the rosters now. Its a joke to me and i don’t want my players in the “magnificent pro bowl”. I’d like to be able to say my QB isn’t starting in the pro bowl because he is so good that he is starting in the Super Bowl.
tydm, wait, you are not being clear. Do you, or do you not want Andy Reid to be fired? Make up your mind. And let us know, a few million times.
The Vick franchise tag, hey, we all knew that. Why would they possibly sign him for more longer term/more money, given his injury prone/history making bad decisions when he ‘is the guy’. It would be risky to lock him up for a few years, but they don’t even have to take that risk. The tag is a no brainer.
As for trading Kolb, yeah, that could be a good idea and could happen. BUT I don’t trust Schefter predicting that as reliable at all. The man (and his network) benefit GREATLY from the buzz that Kolb is going to be shopped around. AND the network is absent the Farve coming back drama this offseason.
I will believe a Kolb trade when I see it. Schefter had a very convenient plug to watch more tv and throw some stuff at the wall….
Fans deserve him to be fired but he will stay and what will happen is what happens every year we barely get in the playoffs or we look very good in the weak NFC. Our hopes will be high and we won alot of games without running much and then lose in playoffs cause we don’t run or stop the run. let it continue woow wwoow
Paulman’s Top Landing Stops for QB Trade
#1) San Francisco 49ers — A New Coach in Harbaugh,high expectations in a weak division, have good offensive talent to surrond Kolb and and have a total of 10 Draft picks in 2011 so they have picks to trade
#2) Tennessee Titans– Will have a new HC and also are looking to trrade QB V Young, so what they trade away to get Kolb, they will be close in recouping after trading VY..
#3) Miami Dolphins – Coach T Sporano on the hot seat, Home attendance has been down and they need a QB, may be willing to part with some high picks to generate some hope and enthusiasm
#4) Arizona Cardinals– After a couple of good years and a Super Bowl run with K Warner, they need
to keep momentum up out in the desert. Have good WR corps led by Fitzgerald, play in a division that is up for grabs every Season .. Need solid QB play to be a playoff team and Coach Wisenhut is beginning to feel the heat to return
#5) Minnesota VIkings – Coach L Frazier is now at the helm to bring to stability, have talent on the Offense and Defense, need solid QB play now to take advantage of the talent they have (AP/Harvin,Rice) if they want to compete in the difficult NFC North with the Packers/Bears and up and coming Lions for a playoff spot
My Darkhorse teams are the following
#1) Washington Redskins — D McNabb will likely be released and free to make his own deal,
Kolb could be the type of QB that could excel in Coach Shanahan’s System.. (Could DT A HAynesworth be part of the trade package since the Redskins have only 5-6 pikcs in the 2011 Draft)
#2) New England Patriots — They have 8 Draft picks in the 1st 4 Rounds (2 in each round) and really don’t have a proven back-up behind QB T Brady who recently had off-season surgery for the 3rd year in a row.. The Pats have a knack of pulling trades that come from nowhere and this could be another one
As far as teams like the Bills,Browns,& Panthers, I just don’t see the interest since these teams are not playoff close type of teams and need tokepp as many draft picks as possible to improve their teams
Seahawks has publicly stated that signing QB Hasselbeck was their # 1 Priority so I don’t think they will be in the market
Jacksonville Jaguars QB D Garrard came off of a good year and led his team to playoff contention until the final game of the season so I don’t see Jax in the market to trade for an experienced QB to take over
Buffalo appears happy about QB Fitzgerald’s progress and have too many other needs
Cleveland seems happy about Colt McCoys progress and have too many other needs
Panthers are in a rebuilding mode and have 2 young QB on their roster that they drafted last year in
J Claussen and T Pike and have other needs to address
I don’t think the Birds feel Kafka is ready to be the backup right now
If Kevin Kolb goes to a team that has good offensive personnel and good coaching, which doesn’t ask to carry a pass happy offense, he’ll do well. But if he goes to a team that wants to throw ball every down and they don’t have a quality line and quality receivers, he’s going to struggle.
KOLB is ASS
If we get a 1st round for him I would be elated.
I agree on the Kolb landing spot G. I think if we had just a good line, we would have never seen Vick this season. We obviously saw how he can perform when we would actually run the ball so he didnt have to sling it 50 times. He went out and dominated the Falcons. I hope he lands in a good spot and has a successful career.
Strange to see Vick underthrowing a WR in the pro bowl…I thought he never did that. Lol.
I think people have to relax about all these rumours.
Look at this from another angle.
1) Who’s value is at an all-time high? Who was acquired for absolutely nothing? Would be a pretty amazing business/football move to scoop someone off the scrapheap and then trade him for 2 first round picks.
2) Kolb was acquired for a high 2nd round pick. The Birds then invested over $20million in salary + 4 yrs of training in the guy. Getting a 1st rounder is not enough. I do not believe that Eagles’ will trade a guy for even value…its not what they do. They draft QBs and trade them for more….would need 2 1st round picks for Birds to pull the trigger.
The Kevin Kolb and Michael Vick debate hasn’t died, it’s still going on. Wherever Kolb goes and whatever he does in his career will be compared to Vick and what’s happens during his time here.
Kolb will be in bigger demand this off-season due to the status of his contract
He is signed thru 2011 at $1.4 Million which is a lot less $$$ than others that may be on the trade market like a Vince Young, Kyle Orton, C Palmer, McNabb who all have bigger contracts in place
with their current teams… This alone makes Kolb a very low-risk for high-reward type of Acquisition
for a team in the market.. Especially with the weak QB class and the weak overall class that is the
2011 Draft… (this upcoming entire Draft Class may be the weakest that I can remember from top to bottom.. there are some very good LIneman and Linebackers, but the QB/RB/WR/TE and Defensive Secondary as a whole, are not very strong and don’t have much depth… After the Top #100 players (3rd Round) it’s a real crapshoot in my opinion…So if you are going to trade high picks in a draft,
this may be the year to do so for there are very few playmakers/impact players in this draft this year
I think a Seneca Wallace (free-agent from the Browns) would be a good pick-up for the Eagles as a
back-up for Vick… Wallace has been in a Holmgrem type of WCO, that is very similar’s to Coach AR/MM System, he’s a veteran, won’t be a distraction, a good teammate and can actually play a bit and will come cheap.. He would be perfect for a back-up for 1 or 2 years until Kafka becomes a legitmate
Back-up which is a year or 2 away..
Kolb and Vick’s contracts are irrelevant as far as potential trades are concerned. If either were to be traded the first thing the team acquiring them would do is sign the players to long term deals. In fact….the long term deals would undoubtedly have been worked out prior to the tams announcing the deals. Kolds current deal (at 1.5 million or whatever) is a complete non-issue.
No team is going to trade 2 first rounders for Kolb and not immediately sign him long term. What raeam (save the Redskins) trades multiple high round picks for players that could then leave as free agents the following year? Same goes for Vick if he is traded while under the franchise…immediately the new team signs him long term.
Seneca Wallace? Good grief.
2 1st Round Draft picks in return are not going to happen and the Eagles FO know this..
They will ask for a lot in return publicly to set the bar high, but no team in their right mind is going to trade 2 1st Picks for a QB with 7-8 Career starts under his belt..
A team could make the trade and have no obligation to extend Kolbs deal.. The fact that he would maybe go to a team for a good chance to be the #1 Starter may be good enough for him now sin eche will only be a back-up in PHialdelphia.. Remember that Kolb made $12 Million last year so he has plenty of Cash.. I think he would jumpt at the chance with a team like the 49ers/Titants?Dolpins where he caould start and with a good playing year in 2011, then he can get his big contract but he has done little in his career now to have any leverage or deamnd that a new team give him a big extension.. he hasn’t accomplished anythintg yet…
Last note, Seneca Wallace would be a perfect #2 QB in this Eagle Offense… Your football acumen is lacking, if you can’t see this.. maybe you should stick with hockey up there in Ontario…
Seneca Wallace – really?
The debate has not died cause Kolb looked horrible half his games and off player of week the other half. Vick looked like Superman in half but wilted when we needed him Vikings,Bears and Packers
Seneca Wallace has 6 years of overwhelmingly mediocre play for me to look at. I can see that just fine from Ontario.
If the Eagles’ front office “know this” then Kolb won’t be traded. There is no way the birds trade Kolb for less than a first + another high pick…perhaps not another first, but high…Why do I say this?…Because its what the Eagles do. Trade Qbs for more than what they’re worth.
They’ve sunk a high second rd pick and 20 million into Kolb. There is no evidence (from history of Lurie’s tenure as owner) thet they’re going to trade Kolb out as a wash. And one 1st round pick would be a wash. They are not going to take a loss on the guy.
The only way Kolb gets traded is if the Birds make what they see as a profit. This will cost another team a lot (in terms of picks) thus ensuring him a new contract and rendering the contract he has moot.
So to summarize:
1 – teams will have to pay ’cause Eagles will only trade Kolb for profit
2 – payment of multiple picks = Kolb gets new multi-year contract to justify the payment of picks. Otherwise fanbase of new team pissed and GM loses job. “We traded a 1st and a 2nd for one year QB?!?!” No GM will do that.
The same holds tru if Birds trade Vick, which despite all talking heads speaking to the contrary, I still believe is more than plausible.
What the Eagles need to do to be a true contender for a super bowl.
1. Retain some key starters, Q who I believe had a very solid year, Bradley who was improving as the year was progressing till he got injured, he will start at his natural WILL position, and Akers. Also bring back tapp, he had a solid year, very good back up to have.
2. Make a splash in free agency: Sign Gaither or a legit RT, defensively sign hainsworth, (the up side for him is way to high to ignore), and yes do what we all want get nnamdi. Also depending on whats happening with graham, get someone who can be a stop gap till he can come back.
3. The Draft. First round pouncy, 2nd – 3rd round casey mathews, (who will be a starter at the sam position by play off time) After those two guys I really don’t care what they do, think for the future, take a chance whatever.
4. O ya, and get a D-cordinator -_-
True Contender FOR sUPER bOWL Would be to do what Super Bowl teams do. 1)Run ball 28-30 times 2) have 2 player with 10+sacks(usually LB’s like Charles Haley,Lawrence Taylor,Romanowski,Vrabel,Bruschi,Harrison,Woodley,whoever two Steeler LB’s were in Big Ben’s First SB)…..3)QB with 65 passing % helps too
Vick was 57 passing % against Packers, but i think Reid giving mcCoy(ave 5.2 a carry) would have helped out tremendously. Remember Reid record looks good cause he always plays 1 tough game a yr. wHILE AFC teams play Patriots twice,Colts,twice,Steelers twice,Ravens twice. Reid is lucky. He should of been coaching Eagles 1985-1995 when we had to play Super Bowl Giants,Redskins,Cowboys twice a year and actually played SB 49ers in 89 and 94. his record would have been VERy DIFFERENT
A Kolb deal should hopefully bring a high 2 or low 1..We have our work cut out for us..there are gaping holes everywhere on Defense and the O-Line. We need to get a real LB, a real DE, and a real OT. If we don’t spend any $ this year (20th in the league in spending the last 2 years); then my season tix are being sold and I will find a real team to root for. Lets face it, the last time we spent some real money (TO and Kearse) we went to the Super Bowl. Typically, if something works then this team abandons that philosophy.
lol Funny i watched that SuPER bOWL today, and my wife commented why Reid wasn’t running the ball. i said yeah Mcnabb threw 51 times and ran 12 Bill WalSH would have Montana throw 23 times and run 29 but what did he know
dkherc…how many times do I have to say this….there is no evidence from the Birds recent past that they will trade Kolb for a 1 or a 2 as you suggest….in fact, there is only evidence to the contrary.
I am convinced they will not trade Kolb for a round 2 pick. There’s no value in that.
Or even a 1st (unless its a top 5).
Do you invest your $$ and sell at a loss? I don’t.
On another note…..If you want to sell off your season tix, then please send me a message.
Guys…. Relax about kolb. We are not getting #1’s for him. He was a reach on draft day, he did not live up to the hype. He will be traded for a #2, will struggle unless he’s in a running only system and will be released in a few years by his new team.
If you reread the reports it said that he WAS in high demand. That was before he suckes arss on the field this year.
If the only offer the Birds get is for a 2 then he will not be traded. The Birds will not take a loss until all avenues have been exhausted. The exact same thing you would do if you made an investment.
how come it is so difficult for people to accept this. The Eagles will not trade Kolb at a loss….and a #2 will be seen as a loss.
Vinnie? How is there no valie in a #2? He’s leaving for nothing after the year. A #2 would be robery.
They ‘bought” him for a high second (36th) + $20 million in salary and 4 yrs QB school.
So selling him for a 2 would be a loss. Eagles won’t do that.
I really dont know what Kolb is worth at this point. Im hoping its a 1ST rounder but i really dont know. What has the man really proved? Im just sayin. Im not a kolb hater by no means but time will tell what the league feels hes worth. The Eagles overvalue all there players so expect them to want two 1st rounders lol
Vinnie- they let go of freddie mitchell because it didn’t work out. They drafted this guy to be the future, it didn’t work out. Getting a second rounder would be great. I hope there is a sucker out there to get a first rounder but please stop talking like they are gunna keep noodle arm and teade vick.
EaglesBirdGang, A “smarter” Vick means not taking the unecessary punishment and better blitz reads, I’m a Vick guy, got a Tshirt straight from his web site so my post is all about seeing #7 in all of the games and not out of any due to hits he doesn’t have to take.
Besides… What’s better?…. A end rounder or nothing? Because he’s leaving next year…. PLUS vick hinted early that they will have to trade kolb in order for vick to be happy.
if the birds end up trading kolb (which i dont think they will unless someone offers up to much for him) i could see them bringing in troy smith to back up vick. i think smith because him and vick are basically the same style QB. the offense wouldnt have to change that much from one qb to the other. Both fast scrambling qbs and if reid and marty can to to smith what they did to vick that would be huge. both qb are the same size same style so that would be great for the team if vick went down, you have the same type qb coming in. perfect backup in my eyes.. what do you bird lovers think of my idea
*2nd rounder.
I’d ask for a 2nd this year, 2nd next year.
@BladeRunner, i understand where your coming from but when you have the ability that Vick has playing the QB position its pretty difficult to ignore your natural ability and insticts and stay in the pocket. In a previous post i mentioned that i do agree that he needs to improve his play recognition seeing the blitzers and so on and also his patience in the pocket but heck look at the Oline that was in front of him lol… Kolb better be glad he wasnt starting bc he probably wouldnt of still been in the league… Thanks for Vick gutting games out with his great natural ability