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Eagles Formula Points Them Toward Vikings Ray Edwards

You know the Eagles formula. They want to sign young, ascending players to long term deals. If you looked at the production alone, the Eagles would be pursuing former Eagles, now Tennessee Titan free agent defensive end Jason Babin and his 12.5 sacks rather than Minnesota Vikings free agent defensive end Ray Edwards and his eight sacks.

The sack number isn’t the only thing the Eagles are interested in when they compare Babin to Edwards. One is 31 years of age and the other is only 26. Yes Edwards hasn’t lit up the sack numbers as of yet but he’s one of the most effective pass rushers in the league according to Pro Football Focus.

PFF says Edwards is the fourth most effective passer in the NFL. The formula to measure the effectiveness of a pass rusher is very simple. You add up all the sacks, hurries and hits of a pass rusher, then divide it by the numbers of time the defender has rushed the passer. Here’s a look at the five most effective NFL pass rushers as Pro Football Focus:

1. Kansas City Chiefs – Tamba Hali (14.07)
2. Carolina Panthers – Charles Johnson (13.25)
3. Minnesota Vikings – Ray Edwards (12.98)
4. Pittsburgh Steelers – LaMarr Woodley (12.80)
5. Dallas Cowboys – DeMarcus Ware (12.38)

That’s a lofty neighborhood which Edwards is in the middle of. I don’t care what it is, if you’re doing something better than DeMarcus Ware, I’m impressed.

Of course the fact that Edwards was playing opposite Jared Allen should be taken into account, but lining up with Trent Cole on the other side of the line will give Edwards the same opportunity to work one-on-one.

I’m sure the Eagles feel that Edwards is reaching his prime and new defensive line coach Jim Washburn will be able to help him take his game to another level. I agree with their reasoning and think it’s a good move.

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SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 9:11 am

I love the Eagles formulas…they’re so good we usuallu win “0” Superbowls using them. I’m glad we don’t inject formulas into our system that actually work.

Then we’ll lose our place as the Red Sox of Football.

You know Lurie grew up a Red Sox fan don’t you?

And even the Red Sox knew they had to change their philosophy to compete with the Yankees and finally overcome.

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 9:23 am

I’d rather have Johnson, but Carolina will go all out. They aren’t going to lose 2 stud DE’s 2 years in a row.

Phantastic_Phour
Phantastic_Phour
July 26, 2011 9:29 am

Rather have a solid lb

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
July 26, 2011 9:33 am

Come on guys, hit me up for an invite to the fantasy league astuckey05 at gmail dot com

Erock
Erock
July 26, 2011 9:34 am

Rather have a guy who isnt killer the other teams q?

Charles Johnson would be nice but Edwards is better at defending the run.

You mean like getting speed burners at reciever and the best all around back in the league Songs. I know we have no title..well SB title…but come on bro.Enjoy your angle and noone cares wht Lurie grew up liking.

Edwards would make the defense more solid up front.He’s not a guy you can run at and or double without opening things up for big boys in the middle.

G…right corner needs to be fixed today. Joseph….why is there all this talk about Rogers?He hasnt impressed me in the last few years. Solid but id rather let Lindley grow up before inking Rogers.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 9:35 am

DDCar….what team have you been watching?
Johnson would actually cost more money!
He’s a better player.

We focus on 2nd and 3rd Tier players…then tell people they have an upside that never happens.

It’s cheaper.

Why spend money on top talent on the weakest part of your team? (Defense)
It’s proven that Run and shoot offenses with a suspect defense wins …and if you throw in an offensive line coach to coach the defense?

“That’s Gravy”.

We need a pool on whether or not the Eagles will be knocked out of the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs.

Right now…I’m betting…Wildcard round.

Now, they could win it all if they get the top talent for 1 or 2 positions.

But they will not.

If they did..pestimistic guys like me wouldn’t exist.

That’s Eagles football.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 9:36 am

and yes…I spelled it that way on purpose….”Pest”o mistic

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
July 26, 2011 9:40 am

ya songs – those crazy eagles – wanting to sign young ascending players to long term contracts – what the hell are they thinking? What crack are they smoking to want to sign a guy like Edwards –

all sarcasm aside – do actually think before you type? Is there a thought process in that pea brain of yours? Do you actually disagree with the article – the premise being that the Eagles seem to prefer Edwards over Babin becuase Babin is 5 years older – do you think Babin is a better player and worth the 5 extra years? If you pay big money for a DE on a 5 year deal would you rather have a 26 year old at the start or a 31 year old?

So try – just once in your life, to think before you post your constant whining – cause son, that’s all it is is you wanking and puffing and complaining.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
July 26, 2011 10:00 am

Either Johnson or Edwards would be a huge upgrade over what they have even if Graham is healthy. I was originally worried about Edwards’ stats because he played across from Allen, but he would be across from Cole in hunter Green. I like this signing a lot especially since, as Erock pointed, out Edwards is strong against the run.

Songs, you can’t sign the best FA at every position. If they signed NA at CB, they would have zero left for other gaping holes. That doesn’t make sense to me at all.

Erock
Erock
July 26, 2011 10:01 am

Weaver…1st tier
Samuel…1st tier
Peters…1st tier

Songs you need more substance ,your posts are like listening to a teenager at the Y talk sports.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 10:05 am

navy…Babin is not apart of my conversation..read again.

we’re talking about the Eagles getting a lesser talent in Edwards..opposed to paying for a dominate player like Johnson on the Panthers.

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 10:08 am

SONGS, every one of your posts, gets more & more nonsensical, & delusional after each post. Your right, you are pest. Your a cockroach. You lost your Asomugha argument, with your retarded reasoning & thinking, so now your trying to make up another one to lose. Give up while can, you are insane & need psychological treatment. Why don’t you do society a favor & suck on a tail pipe.

schiller
schiller
July 26, 2011 10:09 am

songs, you can talk about opinions, philosphies, and the past all you want – I know you don’t need my permission for that and you will anyway- but if you think the Eagles have even the ABILITY even the OPPORTUNITY to be ‘cheap’ this year, then you simply do not understand anything. Teams HAVE TO, ARE REQUIRED TO, spend to the cap this year. So forget your cheap cheap bs — there’s not option for them to save money. They have to spend. They have to spend a lot. Period. You can’t argue against that, it’s fact with no lee way. So it’s not about IF they spend, it’s about HOW.

In your way, you get a flashy care, but no home, food, clothing or shelter. Get it?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 10:11 am

If we get Ike Taylor or Joseph we’ll be able to compete in our division against those big fast receivers.

Remember the NFC started drafting tall receivers to beat our small corners.

We don’t need a corner coming off of a down year who can’t tackle and QB’s complete 65% of their passes against him. DCR..is not itimidating at all. We can not win with a soft defense.

Where’s the intimidator on our defense?

Damn..Am I the only person who see that this defense scares no one?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 10:13 am

Schill…the Eagles way is an early exit from the Playoffs only to go into the next season saying they need to improve the same position they ignored before the early exit.

It’s perpetual.

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 10:14 am

I can’t wait for the Birds to make these moves, so you would shut the f^@k up. If we signed Johnson, you would only bitch that we didn’t sign someone else. You make NO F^@#ING SENSE, dude. Just shut the f^@k up.

paulman
paulman
July 26, 2011 10:15 am

I like DE Edwards a whole lot, and is much better versus the run than any other DE on the Eagles current Roster (including Cole) he is just entering his prime and with a combo of Cole,Tapp,Teo,Hunt, should be a pretty good rotation for the next 2-3 Years ( I am not epxecting Gramham to play in 2011) which makes it more imperative to sign a proven DE into the mix this season
I do expect that if they sign Edwards, that J Parker will be released and maybe the Eagles can still make a lesser offer to retain him if some of these younger DE’s don’t work out (Hunt,Teo,Sapp) but not at Parker’s current salary level which is too high for a back-up/rotational role…

PCrow
PCrow
July 26, 2011 10:18 am

To add to the list. They obtained T.O., Kearse, Runyun, all top tier players in their postions and also Vick to some extend. You cannot say the Eagles are cheap just because they don’t go after the guys you and the news media want them to get. I can appreciate them being true to their valuation system and principles.

PCrow
PCrow
July 26, 2011 10:22 am

You want to beef up the secondary to “scare” opponent’s offense? The best secondary gets burned if there is no pressure up front. Was any of the Packer’s secondary “top tier” or “scary”? It sure helps to have a matthews zoning in on your ball thrower.

paulman
paulman
July 26, 2011 10:25 am

Teams like the Panthers,Bengals,Bills are so far under the Cap that these teams will most likely throw big $$$ at their own players like C Johnson,D WIlliams, R Kalil on the Panthers, LB Posluzky of the Bills and CB Joseph of the Bengals that these players will most likely remain with their current teams
Teams that are real close and even over on their Cap will be releasing some quality players like the Jets,Ravens,Cowboys,Raiders,Saints,so there should be some other good players that become available come 4pm Thursday when cuts are allowed to be announced..

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 10:25 am

STOP with the 65% stat BS, already. It was a 1 year stat, you dumba$$. The good thing with the DRC, Kolb trade is, their salaries offset filling a major need, with a good CB, & giving the Birds the same cap to spend. I love Taylor & Joseph, but it makes more sense the other way. DRC isn’t exactly chopped liver. He had a bad year after two good years & a pro bowl. WTF, are you not getting, peanut brain. You are dumb as a bag of wet rocks.

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 10:29 am

PCROW, CB Charle Woodson is arguably the all around best in the business. But your point is valid, & I agree.

schiller
schiller
July 26, 2011 10:44 am

Songs- do you agree the Eagles should DEFINITELY go after BABIN? By your standards, (from your DRC argument), all that matters is last years stats. Period. So therefore, Babin is the best DE. Why then do you want a different guy?

Erock
Erock
July 26, 2011 10:52 am

The Cards d was on the field alot last year.FYI…offense stunk.

Edwards would be huge.See if he wants to come to a real football town as opposed to N.O. or Atlanta…joke.

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 10:57 am

SCHILL, good one. He’s adjusting his tin foil helmet & radar dish for a reply. Hold on.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 10:59 am

No Schill…Babin is overrated….The Eagles would be better off getting Johnson from the Panthers….after all …he’s a dominating force and since we are not going to get Asmo we might as well get Johnson..So the light in the ass DCR do not get exposed in the secondary.

schiller
schiller
July 26, 2011 11:10 am

Oh Ok Songs. So basically you don’t play with logic or sense.. got it. We all knew that, but it’s just good to see in action again.

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 11:30 am

BLEEP BLOOP BLEEP!@#$%^&çïíÎÇ¿¿¿~ß¿¿?? does not compute ~ does not compute ¿?¿?
LMFAO!!!

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 11:31 am

Schill…if it comes out that last year is not a mirage and DCR gets exposed….what then?

lewdoggie20
lewdoggie20
July 26, 2011 11:36 am

kolb traded yet?

DDCar
DDCar
July 26, 2011 11:36 am

SONGS, & IF my Aunt had ball$, she’d be my uncle. What if’s, mean ziltch.

schiller
schiller
July 26, 2011 11:47 am

Songs, then you will be happy because your ego will get a boost, the Eagles will assess whether to make a change at that position and then act upon their assessment and the world will continue business as usual (climate change notwithstanding). Big woop.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
July 26, 2011 12:04 pm

Songs – you are such a clown – even with the new CBA that MANDATES the amount of money spent you still can’t help but print STUPID comments – the Eagles don’t want to pay – dude – every team in the league MUST spend (I think its 99% of cap this year) the same amounts – you really need to find some new material

As for re-reading your comment – basic communication (usually listed as COM 101 in your local community college catalog) – would indicate that if the topic of an article is ‘The Eagles formulas points them towards Taylor’ and the article then compares and contrasts two players (Taylor and Babin), declaring that based on the aforementioned formula, the Eagles will chose one over the other (the younger ascending player)- and you then bash that formula – 99% of literate, functioning (that I guess rules out you and Phillywill) humans would take away that Babin is in fact part of the conversation (again, why I implore you to THINK before you post)

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 12:17 pm

Navy..you know why I’m not receiving what your’e saying…in spite of the new collective agreement and the salary cap…someone will pay Asmo…and they have the same cap ceiling we do.

Not buying it.

Don’t want a corner who gets torched 60% of the time…that’s no different from what we had last year….and DCR is a poor tackler.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 12:23 pm

I don’t give a damn about Babin!

That’s why I’m injecting a more effective formula.

Johnson from the panters will make our defense better than the 2 who are being compared opposed to some formula we have that never worked.

If you don’t want to spend the money for the top free agent at least spend less to get the best FA defensive lineman…That will help our corner that’s coming that got torched 65% of the time passes was thrown his way.

paulman
paulman
July 26, 2011 12:25 pm

Starting CB Combo for th eEAgles in 2011

Samuel and Marlin Jackson (experience with the Cover 2 Scheme)
Kolb will remain as Eagle QB and in fact signs an extension.. End of Story.
.

sullybleedsgreen
sullybleedsgreen
July 26, 2011 12:32 pm

“Starting CB Combo for th eEAgles in 2011

Samuel and Marlin Jackson (experience with the Cover 2 Scheme)
Kolb will remain as Eagle QB and in fact signs an extension.. End of Story.”

Marlin Jackson at Corner isnt going to happen. He wont even be on the team next week. Kolb staying put now that is quite possible. Kyle Orton being available doesn’t help the Eagles out here at all.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 12:33 pm

Paulman…The Ham ripper is the hell outta here…But I wouldn’t be surprised if the corners end up like you’re suggesting.

After DCR get toasted for a few weeks they may just inject Marlin (The Injury) Jackson to be next in line for a molestation by the physical receivers in our division.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
July 26, 2011 12:40 pm

Again Songs – COM 101 – where the hell did the discussion of a cornerback enter into the discussion of the Eagles formula you were bashing (the young ascending player) you were the first poster – you bashed the eagles, the formula, and compared them to the RedSox – now – 35 posts later you mention a new formula – but as anyone who follows your ramblings (kind of like watching those a train wreck – you can’t look away) your formula changes depending upon the moon, tides and current alignment of the moons on Saturn – –

so which is it – are you all in for Asmo or are we comparing and contrasting Johnson (who most expect to be resigned by the panthers) and Edwards? And why don’t you give a damn about Babin – he was a monster last year – your ‘formula’ doesn’t include former 1st rd picks that had a butt load of sacks for the same position coach the eagles just hired.

And then songs – what if (this is your game but what the heck) Johnson turns out to be a turd – what if HIS last year was a mirage and the dude that had what a total of 50 tackles his first 3 years in the league – now you want to dump a signifigant portion of our cap on a one year wonder…… what if he turns out to be a turd? Huh – then what

paulman
paulman
July 26, 2011 12:52 pm

This will be Vicks final season with the EAgles, He will refuse the long-term deal they offer him by Sept 20th, Next Off-season he goes Free-agency and moves south on i-95 to the Washington Redskins to bring them back from the dead… (Shannahan’s will be fired and Coach Urban Meyer will be the new Coach in Washington and his 1st move is bringing in VIck …)
So let it be written, so let it be done….

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 12:56 pm

Navy the percentages usually fall in line when players are excepetionally talented. Johnson is that type of player which takes the “what if” off the table. But DCR on the other hand was getting toasted all year last season and couldn’t tackle a Cone….We don’t need to fill a problem area with another question mark.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
July 26, 2011 1:18 pm

Again – not sure where the DCR is coming into the conversation or postings about an article written about the Eagles formula (young ascending players). Does Johnson fill the bill as a ‘young ascending’ player that the eagles should sign to a long term deal? You seem to be making an argument (and I am actually trying to help you here as clearly the written word is not your friend) that in fact, the best bang for the Eagles free agent buck is Charles johnson – DE from Carolina – stats indicate he had a breakout year last year on a pretty bad team. He has only been in the league 4 years and has gotten better each year – he has some size to him (bigger then most eagle DEs) and could have a monster year opposite Cole. Do I have the correct gist of your rambling.. I’m sorry – your posts?

But by saying that – you would in fact be agreeing with the Eagles ‘formula’ you so pointedly crapped on in your first post….

So which is it?

See (again trying to help) the reason no one gets you about the DCR argument – is that DCR would come from a TRADE vice Free Agency (mixing apples and oranges) for Kolb who you have already declared nuke waste – so even if they get a dime CB that’s still better then a stiff clipboard holder right? He has to be better then Hobbs and Jackson and Patterson and everyone else you malign so frequently – plus rumor has it the birds will also get a draft pick..

So again – I agree with the Eagles philosophy of finding young rising talent and signing it to a long term deal – I think it gives the team the best chance to win the superbowl – Songs – if you disagree – please explain your philosophy for building a superbowl winning team

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 1:34 pm

Navy …come on now..the Eagles don’t even stick to what they say is their formula…

Remember when Trot was in his prime and we needed to resign him before bringing in an over the Kirkland? (Jurevius is still running)

Anyway, we let Trot go claiming our Philosophy is to spend modest on linebackers but put the big money on Linemen and Corners…Well a few years past and Sheldon Brown was due a new deal…What did the Eagles do for a position that told us is important when giving the bucks?

Signed Ellis Hobbs who was getting torched with New England the year before..They signed Ellis Hobbs to low money to replace a better player in Sheldon Brown.

So, the Eagles philosophical planning changes when it suits them.

When the Eagles have to put out the dough…other positions which are already filled become the most important parts of the team…Right now..there’s better players who can come in and play the corner for the Eagles. Better usually equates to more on the field. So why should we settle for less? Even if we don’t get Asmo…there’s better corners. Why we as fans always have to settle and hope a guy pans out? If DCR was making 4-6 million this wouldn’t be a discussion and it pisses me off that we will get lesser talent because it fits the cap. That does not translate to wins on the field.

cluelesseaglesfan
cluelesseaglesfan
July 26, 2011 1:43 pm

Sorry did’nt realize this was a circle jerk party, I’m out.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
July 26, 2011 2:14 pm

Songs – now you have completely lost it – now we are talking about Kirkland, Trotter and Sheldon Brown? Really?

So now (as in you just changed AGAIN) you are saying the Eagles do NOT follow the formula that you bashed in your first post – dude – need a scorecard to keep up with you.

clue LEF – sorry – this is like my pre-season warmup – I try to see how many times I can get Songs to argue with himself in the same post.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
July 26, 2011 2:21 pm

Navy…..your bashing me…are you antisemetic?

Everytime someone comes against me I’ll simply change the subject by stating they’re antisemetic.

It works!!!!!!

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
July 26, 2011 3:31 pm

no I am agnostic, more of a huministic free thinker, that trends towards skeptical rationalism.

FanSince1960
FanSince1960
July 26, 2011 4:19 pm

Too bad you didn’t take the opportunity to respond to your friend’s ignorance and instead chose to simply say you were “agnostic.” That’s not the American way, NavyEagleFan. Disappointing.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
July 26, 2011 11:01 pm

Fan – it was a high order joke – agnotics, huminism, free thinkers, rationalists are all various forms of ‘enlightened philosophy’ if you will. They all look at the world from different contexts – so when I told songs I was all of those things (agniostic is different from a free-thinker which is different from a huminist) in one sentence it was my way of doing what he does – which is to take every position, hate every other position, and then declare himself correct in the end. Songs is like the kid that sticks his tongue on the frozen pole or eats worms – he’s stupid and gross, but entertaining – as for not the American way – lighten up Francis – its a sports blog

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
July 26, 2011 11:02 pm

On another post i forgot to mention Ray Edwards as someone id like them to get… Cullen Jenkins is another…