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The Eagles Drafted Casey Matthews Not Clay Matthews

First of all, it was a mistake for the Eagles to hand the starting middle linebacker position to rookie fourth round draft pick Casey Matthews when he reported to training camp. They had no idea whether he could do the job and he was going to be asked to do things at the middle linebacker spot that he had never shown the ability to do on the college level.

I don’t think it’s a good idea to hand rookies starting jobs like the Birds did with first round pick Danny Watkins and fourth round pick Matthews because you could be setting them up to fail. I think it’s a much better situation for them, if you let them show their ability, then you gradually promote them.

Doing it gradually also allows that player to gain his respect from his teammates by showing them that he can do the job. If a rookie is given a starting job and they get in there and start making plays, nobody questions it. But if they get in there and start struggling, everybody questions the move.

The spotlight was shown on both Watkins and Matthews because they were made starters. Neither had the benefit of OTA’s and mini-camps. It was a recipe for disaster. Now both of them must battle through these struggles in the spotlight and it’s going to be quite a challenge for them to prove that they can do the job.

Let’s get back to Matthews specifically.

I know the Eagles envisioned a Matthews in the middle of the Eagles defense with his hair flowing out of his helmet and the highlights of him dominating opponents being played every night on television, while he is running down ball carriers sideline to sideline. You couldn’t overemphasize how much media attention it would have drawn, but that’s not dealing in reality.

The Eagles drafted Casey Matthews, not Clay Matthews.

The Eagles were asking Casey to read plays instantly, attack 300-pound offensive linemen, beat their blocks, then come off and make plays on some of the best running backs in the NFL.

Casey’s older brother Clay might have been able to do the job but Clay is a “Monster on the football field”. Clay is 6’3″ 260 pounds and he can run a 4.5 forty-yard dash. He’s got tremendous explosiveness and he can overpower 300-pound offensive linemen with his combination of quickness and power.

Casey doesn’t have that Superman ability standing 6’1″ weighing 230 pounds and running a 4.7 forty-yard dash.

Do you remember Clay running over Winston Justice in last year’s playoff game? Do you remember him tracking down Kevin Kolb in the first game of the season a year ago and treating him like a child by trapping his hands and slamming him to the Lincoln Financial Field turf? Do you remember him bear hugging Michael Vick and slamming him to the ground?

Clay III reminded me of his Dad, whom I played with at USC. He was a walking muscle, who played like a maniac. Casey isn’t on that level and that’s why he was drafted in the fourth round.

The two Clays are specimen’s while Casey was a very good college player, but he isn’t a specimen like his father and his older brother.

I think Casey can be a good NFL linebacker but he needs to put in the right situation and be allowed to show what he can do before being thrown into the starting lineup.

GCOBB

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ChuckRob
ChuckRob
September 22, 2011 8:32 am

Ok so we just move him over to WLB and start him there??? What if Rolle is better there, does he get the same opportunity? I hope Chaney takes that MLB position and becomes what we need. He spent all offseason preparing for that position anyway.

bsmvideos
September 22, 2011 8:42 am

Once again Mr. Cobb you missed the point.

The facts are irrelevant when dealing with “Crystal Ball Andy”.

He see’s a future that none of us mere morals can see.

If Crystal Ball says Casey is Clay Matthews then Clay Matthews he is. Period.

I don’t care if the Giants run for 200 yards against the Eagles. Hard headed Andy is always right. We mere moral fans who have played, coached and watched the game for over 40 years simple can’t see the progress that Casey will one day make.

Mr. Cobb I hope you do a better job, next time you report on a scrub player. Please Give Crystal Ball the respect he deserves. After all, he’s won 5 superbowls. Oh sorry, that’s five apperances in the NFC Championship game with 4 loses, many at home.

My bad.

The cleat fits.

The reporting is justified.

bsmvideos
September 22, 2011 9:09 am

This change goes beyond the field, too, because it reflects poorly on the judgment of the coaches who will now assure us it’s a good idea. It was always puzzling when Reid and defensive coordinator Juan Castillo decided to entrust the middle linebacker job to a rookie fourth-round draft pick. Even Casey Matthews seemed unsure of the whole idea. Common sense suggested the team would sign a veteran late in camp, someone who could hold the position down until Matthews was ready.

By moving Matthews outside and moving Jamar Chaney to the middle, the Eagles acknowledge three mistakes (which is why Reid evaded possible follow-up questions with his lawyerly answer). First, they decided Chaney’s encouraging play as a rookie last year didn’t warrant giving him a chance to start in the middle this year. Second, they didn’t sign someone like Tennessee’s Stephen Tulloch, who played behind defensive line coach Jim Washburn’s “wide nines” scheme and was eminently available. Third, they engaged in the wishful thinking that Matthews would magically play like his brother, Clay, who wreaks havoc for the Green Bay Packers.

We’ve seen this wishful thinking before: Stacy Andrews? Macho Harris? Ernie Sims? Barry Gardner?

Phil Sheridan Philly.com

You don’t have to hate Andy Reid to be telling the truth.

paulman
paulman
September 22, 2011 9:40 am

The Eagles failure to address the LB Corp in the last 2-3 Drafts has caught up with them…

2 years ago, they traded a 2nd Round Pick to the Cowboys when MLB Sean Lee was avaialble (who the Cowboys ended up selecting) and now 2 years later, is the leading tackler in the NFL after 2 weeks
This past Draft, I thought the Eagles missed an opportunity with better athletes,bigger size and just better players at LB such like the following
Dontay Moch (Bengals-3rd Rd), Kelvin Shepard (Bills-3rd Rd) ,Martez WIlson (Saints 3rd Rd), Mason Foster (TB Bucs 3rd Rd), KJ Wright (Seahawks 4th Rd)

These 5 Players all have the size,speed,strength to be NFL Starters for the next 6-8 Years if they stay healthy and there is probably an All-Pro or 2 in these list.. I stated back on Draft Day that Casey Matthews is a nice player with the obvious great foorball bloodlines, but that he would be a back-up players/special teamer in the NFL at best and nothing I have seen from him since camp,preseason and now regular season has proven otherwise and to be fair to him, it’s not his fault . I never bought the hype, and to be honest, if he last name wasn’t Matthews, he most likley would have been drafted in the later rounds, if at all, just based on his metrics. The real sad thing is when you look at the Eagles LB Corp at the beginning of Summer Camp (Fokou a 6th Rounder, Chaney a 7th Rounder, Clayton a 4th Rounder, Akeem Jordan a undrafted Free-Agent, Jeantry (Free-agent signing coming off injury) and then add this years Draft Picks Matthews 4th Rd, ROlle 6th Rd and Lloyd 7th Round. It’s not an experienced group at all or a very talented group, so the competition should have been wide open at all 3 positions (and probably a free-agent signing too to help these younger LB’s..)
I have gone of the record and stand by it as of today, this Eagle Group of LB’s is probably the weakest group of LB’s in the entire NFL, that’s right, this group is not very good and I really believe that none of any of the Eagles LB’s on their Rosters would be starters on any other team in the NFL.

I agree 100% with G about naming Rookies or even young new players as Starters before they prove it in on the field in practice, preseason for it puts unduly pressure on the player who had enough to learn and worry about and also could cause some resentment in the locker room..Let them battle it out and earn it on the field and in the film/study sessions.. .

paulman
paulman
September 22, 2011 10:33 am

I guess the bigger point I am trying to make is that you can’t continually draft and count on LB’s that are 6th/7th ROunders and Undrafted Free-agents all the time and expect your LB Corp to be a very effective group in the NFL..
You may hit gold once in a while with a late rounder or undrafted player, but like anything else in this life,you usually get what you pay for, and if you want to updgrade your LB Corps, then you better start spending higher-round Draft Selections on them…
This past 2 Drafts had some good LB in them and the Eagles spent a 2nd Round on SAfety Jarrett (when they drafted 2 Safeties in 2010???) and then Reached again in the 3rd Round in 2010 (On DE Teo NEisham) and in 2011 Draft (CB C Marsh).. I think the Eagles need to hire another Draft Guru to help them out next Season and I would even volunteer my time to come up and help them out if they invited me..
When you look at the top 3 Draft Selections over the last 2 Drafts(Graham,Allen,Teo, Watkins,Jarrett,Marsh) none of them are contributing much right now and outside of Nate Allen, who was projected to be an Early to Mid 2nd Round and was selected about right at #55 Overall, but the rest of the them were all Selected a 1/2 to 2 Rounds earlier than most Draft Gurus had them ranked..
Most had Graham from 18-25th PIck (Eagles moved up to #13 and gave up a lot of get him..
Most had DE Teo Neisham as the late 4th/5th Round pick, (Eagles grabbed in mid 3rd Round
Most had OL Watkins Early to Mid 2nd Round and Eagles grabbed him at
#24 this year,
Most had Safety J Jarrett a 4th or even 5th Rounder and Eagles grabbed him in the 2nd Round (it was not a deep ddraft at all for the Safety Position,but after the Eagles selected 2 Safeties in 2010 Draft with Allen/Coleman, did they need to use a 2nd on a Safety…)
Most had CB Marsh as a 4th/5th Rounder and of course who knew at Draft day that they would send up signing CB Asmo, but the Koplb to Cardinal Trade had to be in the works for a while and if your the Eagles and you know you are obtaining DCR, then again, why spend a 3rd Rounder on a prospect CB when you have other needs like LB or OL…

I want to reiterate that the players the Eagles selected can become good players down the road ,but I do question of where and when they were selected and I expect players in the 1st 3 Rounds to be able to contribute and compete to start by their 2nd Season and at least be active on the field in year 1 on Special Teams and at least back-ups ..

wild_bk
wild_bk
September 22, 2011 10:36 am

bla bla bla, was clay mathews as good as he is now his rookie season? NO!! Rookies are rookies, once in a while you get one that can play at a high level his first year.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
September 22, 2011 10:51 am

Good points G. I myself didnt like what i saw from casey myself but he was playing a position that was not familar to him. Thats like asking desean jackson to play tight end (we know how that would end). But im still not ready to give up on casey and obviously neither is the coaching stuff. If any of the other LBs were better than theyd be starting over Matthews but theyre not… so yes keep him in there bc if you dont you can ruin this kid.. also i always felt he should start but not at mlb but rather at the weak side and he played that in college too… chaney is a natural mlb so yes put him there… and fokou has done a good job but as a whole these lbs need to tackle better and think about creating turnovers and STAY IN UR GAPS! But lets not keep beating the team up for making this change, they made the wrong call. At least its only week 2 not week 12 so these adjustments wont affect them negatively but instead like G said this will drastically improve this groups play.. theyll be playing at natural positions insead of learning on the fly and having to think so hard before making a play..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
September 22, 2011 10:57 am

Agreed wildbk

paulman
paulman
September 22, 2011 11:09 am

Casey Matthews will be out of the NFL before his Rookie Contract is up would be my evaluation..
Clay Matthews became a starter in the 10th Week during his Rookie Season but was used in Pass-Rushing packages which is his strong suit,by a knowledgeable and experienced Defensive Coordinator (Dom Capers) and has been coached by a LB Postion Coach (Kevin Greene) who was an All-Pro many times during his playing day.. Unfortunately for Casey, he has
Juan Castillo as his DC and 1st Year LB Position Coach Mike Caldwell so it doesn’t appear he is going to receive the type of Coaching and be put in positions to succeed like his bigger,stronger,faster brother up in Green Bay has been in…

paulman
paulman
September 22, 2011 11:15 am

Bad analogy JH, a LB is a LB and yes your responsibilites are different but your play and ability to shed blocks and play recognition is not any difference and Matthews is not at NFL ready in these areas regardless on what LB position it is…so shuffling both these players Chaney & Matthews means little too me in th big scheme of things of improving this overall Defense,
I agree Chaney is an upgrade, but I don’t think either of them are NFL Quality Starting LB along with Fokou.. but of course, this is my opinion and maybe they will surprise me and reall grow and mature as a group..I am just not counting on it from what I’ve seen..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
September 22, 2011 11:30 am

Paul. Its not a bad analogy at all. There all very similar positions just at Te ur asked to block more but its all the same. Imagine putting desean on the line to block? Suicide. So by putting casey in a position like that when you have chaney who really shined there last yr wasnt the best idea. I went with it but i didnt think it was the best idea i like casey at the weakside but now he has to cover the rbs coming out of the backfield and he ll get alot of practice doing that in practice drills against shady mccoy who is one of if not the best catching rb in the league… so i feel this can work..

AwolWest
AwolWest
September 22, 2011 12:13 pm

if rolle gave us the best chance to win, he would be starting
i guess ur just gonna have to trust the staff, because you have no say whatsoever and are merely choosing a backup over a starter
that happens on everyteam, the backups are usually the popular choice/guys when its questionable who the starter is

Rasheed1
Rasheed1
September 22, 2011 12:39 pm

its gets easy for the fans to second guess the Eagles coaches because of mistakes like these… these are easy decisions that even novice fans pick up on right away… the MLB spot in the Eagles D is a huge weakness..

Everyone knows it, and the Eagles have to admit it and change it like they should have in the preseason

when Andy does these things, it makes it easier to question his decisions… he’s done it before (coming into the season with no punt returners)

they just sorta have to make the change and take the PR hit and move on here

paulman
paulman
September 22, 2011 12:41 pm

I think it’s worse with Casey on the outside for he’s too slow of foot and doesn’t have the speed to cover RB’s out in Space..He needs to be on the bench and LB Rolle out on the weak side which I have been saying since mid-August and will eventually happen by the Bye-Week
WR and TE are nowhere near the same than the MLB/OLB position.. Stop being silly and can you just admit that Casey Matthews is not the player you had hoped that he would be,and that you overestimated a players talent and skill level and hoping he can succeced at the top level.. I just think you were wrong Jon about Matthews who I wasn’t all that excited about and I stated it then at Draft Time and I say it again 5 months later..he’s no more than a Back-up/Special teamer at the NFL level and can contribute in that way for the Eagles, but to expect him not only be a Starter but play at a high-level was just wishful thinking by many in my opinion…

To AwolWest.. It’s hard to trust DC J Castillo for I am not so sure he even knows what he’s doing out there just yet….This LB Corp for the EAgles is so young and inexperienced and not very taleneted that it’s not like there are a whole lot of options available at this point, I expect Rolle to be named the Starter during the Bye week..

DCar
DCar
September 22, 2011 1:00 pm

G,
Fantastic article! Everything all of the intelligent fans on here have been saying for 7 weeks. But, even though the inevitably, obvious, has reared it’s head, you’ll still get the delusional, mindless, excuse making, stepfords, on here, telling us we’re still wrong. MIKE, or the outside, it doesn’t matter, it is still the same 3 stiffs!! They stink!! There were at least 4 LB’s (Bullock, Bennett, Morrison, Totupu, & even resigned STEW), that could have been major upgrades, to this LB core, but they decided to waste $$$ on players that weren’t priorities (VY, Brown, Smith & 3rd starting CB).

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
September 22, 2011 1:27 pm

Paulman, I don’t disagree with you. Definitely not sold on Matthews as an NFL player right now, but I gotta give him a pass for now because it’s completely his fault. There were no OTAs, minicamps and shortened preseason for him to really get in there. I’d blame the coaching staff first and foremost if anything. Not sure what Matthews will be in the future but I pin this on the coaches. But to your other point, moving him to the weakside is better than keeping him in the middle. Little responsibility to cover TEs and he’s easily taken out when bringing in the 3rd CB. So his playing time and the number of plays that come his way will decrease substantially. Not saying he’s going to be good there just saying, the LB core should be improved by him not being out there as often and having Chaney in the middle. Chaney isn’t great but he’s better to be in there.

There’s nothing we can really do about the talent level about them being NFL starting LBs at this point but all they need to be is solid players on the field. If they can get their during the season then we are a much better defense. Maybe not great, but better. Remember this defense never has needed big playmakers at the LB but solid players who just know how to play. Maybe that has been the problem but I don’t think a team needs to Clay Matthews, Ray Lewis or James Harrison to win it all IF they already have outstanding talent everywhere else on the field AND the LBs just do their jobs.

Rasheed1
Rasheed1
September 22, 2011 1:29 pm

I thinl these linebackers can get it done, but I think Andy and Juan need to be alot more realistic with what these guys are capable of and adjust the defense accordingly..

they need to help these LBs out by putting more pressure on the corners… Let these corners man up and bring a safety down and make an 8 in box situation or at least move the ends in on run down so the holes arent so big…

bottomline, the Eagles have enough talent on defense to make this unit work. they just need to do it…

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
September 22, 2011 1:33 pm

G, I do agree that putting players in there who don’t belong are career killers. We can look at a bunch of the defensive personnel Andy has drafted and had them play differently than they did in college and not too long after see them cut and not back in the NFL. But as a player you have to do it because it may be your only shot to even get in the league. And that’s evident by them often not be able to stay in the league afterward.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
September 22, 2011 2:11 pm

Scorp -really – so Todd Hermanns would have sat for year behind Runyan and Thomas had Ried NOT moved him to guard. Urlacher was a rover (strong safety) in College – good thing the Bears were smart enough to bulk him up and make him an LB. McGlynn got to start for a year in the NFL becuase he moved to center….

how about this scorp – every year there are 119 divsion one football programs – each program has 85 scholarship athletes there are over 100 divsion IAA with 63 scholarhship athletes (FBS FCS you get the point) there are a bunch of divison II program and Division III programs

So figure every year there are 20 div 1 and 15 div 1AA scholarship athletes graduating from over 200+ school.

Lets assume half of those so about 3000 fully funded college football players (and there are well over 600,000 that play high school football that get crunched down to 7000 college players – of which about 3000 want(hope/dream/desire/skill) to play pro ball – this get narrowed down to about 230 that actually get drafted and the extra 300 that get invited to fill roster spots at camps.

Now unlike college and HS – there is no graduation – WR X needs to make the team to get paid – between 23 and 26 he is in his prime – that 22 year old grad has to beat him out. The numbers are astronomically stacked against 1) getting a Div I scholarship 2) making it through 4 years 3) getting drafted at all and finally 4)making a final roster. The fact that Andy Ried saw Trent Cole as a DE vice an LB coming out of Cincy was great both for Cole and for the Eagles. Bunkley was an freaking beast DT in college – he was a serviceable DT in the NFL. GoCong was a monster DE at a 1AA school and played LB in the pros for several years – Ried didn’t kill his career – he gave the guy a shot at a career –

Every team, every coach does these sorts of things – so no matter what coach you have, you would all be critical if it were Ried or anyone else – what other coach does not draft or sign a guy and move him to a position that that coach thinks will help his team win? This is nothing new or different. Rieds success rate is well above the large majority of other NFL coaches – part of the reason – as drummer put it – the team has been ‘semi successful and entertaining.’

Rasheed 1 has the right attitude – we have the talent – just need to do it.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
September 22, 2011 2:13 pm

Paul. And to expect a rookie to look like a all pro is wishful thinking or any of these young guys for that matter. He was a standout in college and projected well into the league. Stop looking at when guys are drafted and start looking at the production. The man is two games into his nfl career and already you (THE KING OF NEGADELPHIA) are writing him off as a mere special teamer and backup just so your opinion can be correct. You sound idiotic. Again i would think these coaches would know more than you, right? So with that said if rolle was a better player at the position than he would be starting right? Brian rolle who is shorter than matthews at 5’10 and weighs less than him at 227, hes a shrimp. he could probably be a RB… theyre going with matthews and thats that. Youve already been proved wrong with this. He was drafted by the birds, (you said it wouldnt happen, i said they would) I said hed be a starter for us, you said he wouldnt be a starter and that he would be a mere special teamer and backup… has he even hit the field on special teams? hahaha and has he missed a start yet? ALL NOOOOOs… And the coaches are still going with him after all these changes, Paul YOU need to face the facts that again like many other times youve been proved wrong all around, i can sit here for hrs just exposing you but just with this post i did it already…

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
September 22, 2011 2:15 pm

Rhetorical Question to self – when the Dolphins Chad Henne torched the Patriots for well over 400 yards….. or the RAvens hung what was it 37 on the Stellers mighty D….. do you think there fans went crazy?

Old saying – even if its your first time – act like you’ve been there before

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
September 22, 2011 2:15 pm

Navy Great Points As Always!!!

supabad
supabad
September 22, 2011 2:27 pm

The Kid was a fourth rounder for a reason. You dont just start 4th rounders if they havent shown you anything in pre season. He will never be half the star Clay of his father are.

supabad
supabad
September 22, 2011 2:33 pm

The Kid was a fourth rounder for a reason. You dont just start 4th rounders if they havent shown you anything in pre season. He will never be half the star Clay of his father are. In all honesty this shows how stupid Andy and the fron office is. The Eagles outthinking themselves YET AGAIN.
We got rid of Mcdermott because of redzone issues AND DOWN GRADED to a guy with no experience
We got rid of Mikell and downgraded to Page/Coleman
We got rid of Bradley and downgraded to one of the worst Line backers in the league

But allegedly we’re “All In”

This team is a fucking joke. We’ll be lucky to make the playoffs with this lb core.

greenfan
greenfan
September 22, 2011 2:43 pm

Yes Navy…I am aware of MANY Steelers fans that “went crazy” after that loss to the Ravens….you act like being emotionally attched to your team is out of character for a FAN….fans “live and die” with their teams, it is part of being a fan

paulman
paulman
September 22, 2011 2:55 pm

To JHm
Yes you did say he would be drfted by the EAgkles and you were correct that he would be a Starter..What I am saying that he is not a NFL Starter and if his last name was “Smith” instead of “Matthews”, he would have been Drafted in the 6th Round or maybe not at all.. I am not upset that the EAgles Drafted him , but not in the 4th, but to count on him being the Starting MLB in a new Defense with a team that had a great chance to win it all is what I am pissed about since he is clearly not ready and I don’t care if its MIKE,SAM or WILL positions, you are either a player or you’re not,,, and having no OTA’s and shortened Camp Season is not his fault, but again, the EAgles were counting on his anyways.. I also have stated that I am not that big on Chaney ewither who has disappointed me so far in both games this season, maybe him going back to the middle will improve his game but I bet he’s flat out missed 6-8 tackles in 2 games so far, but at least he’s been in postion to make the taackle where MAtthews can’t shed blockers and even get in position to make a play on many of the snaps…So go ahead and feel good because you called for Matthews to be an Eagle and a Starter and that you matched wits with the Great Andy Reid and I will continue to state that woopty doo, the guy is not a player and you both were wrong about his ability at the NFL Level.. I hope he can prove me wrong, but he’s not anywhere close to the caliber of a true NFL Starting LB in my final analysis .. I go back to this many times because I am tired of Fans thinking because a player statrts on the Eagles , that he must be a good player and I say that bunk…
Look at LB Bradely who couldn’t win a starters job over a 10 year journeymen Paris Lenon over the Defensively challenged Arizona Cardinals.. Why is this.. maybe because Bradley is average … maybe he was the best LB on the Eagles last year, but compared to who.. Sims,Gaither,Fokou ..

mjacobs45
mjacobs45
September 22, 2011 3:32 pm

Well Paulmoron, I see you’re still up to your moronic posts. Bradley is starting in Arizona and will have a much better season once he gets used to the 3-4. It’s a totally different scheme and style than a 4-3. Bradley would have been a good fit at SAM here and they could have easily kept him.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
September 22, 2011 3:41 pm

Navy, I don’t care what other teams do. I care what the Eagles do. And every time put someone in this position where they don’t have experience in the position, never/barely played the position and tried to convert them it hasn’t worked. Point blank. I can give a flying flute what everyone else. We don’t handle our FO business like every other team which is why our FO is one of the best. So we must be doing something different there. So it would then appear that you don’t have to follow suit because everyone else does it.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
September 22, 2011 3:52 pm

Scorp – two kinds of response to that opening statement

1) if you don’t care about other teams why post what is going to happen because you don’t care – don’t worry about New England Pitts or Dallas – you dont care
here is an example – how can we trade McNabb within the divsion – we don’t care, why do we need three PB quality CBs we don’t care get my point on that how could we trade that draft pick to Dallas – we are going to get beat in the playoffs

2) How can you not care exactly what every other team is doing – you are in direct competion with the teams you play in your 16 game schedule and then you have to be concerned with the others for the playoffs –

I disagree wholeheartedly and have offered up repeated examples of people having position changed and been successfull – Todd Hermanns – great example from LG to RT and damn looks good.

As for FO being best and doing things different……. I think our FO is one of the best in the top 5 for sure… they do some things different (sign young promisiong player to LT contracts, hoard draft picks are two examples) If I were to venture an uneducated guess, I would say that FOs probebly do about 75% the same, and its the 25% difference.

But at an elite level that 25% can be a huge difference (like between a 3-13 and an 12-4 team)

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
September 22, 2011 9:24 pm

Paula, stop ya complaining… again wanting to be right about all of your misses. I cant help but laugh bc ive exposed you too many times to even keep account. Have the linebackers looked good? No. Is it all on Matthews? No. Is it all on chaney? No. But we all can see that its the whole group and the coaching. But bc the birds didnt draft the guys you wanted them to in the rounds you said they should, now your having a critical eye toward anything wrong the LBs do. To think that its only week 3 and youve been complaining about the LBs since the start of camp… you sound like a nagging annoying chiwawa, allow them to play more than 2 games and them not be rookies and 2 yr players learning a defense genius

paulman
paulman
September 22, 2011 10:20 pm

Your right about one thing JH and that’s I have been complaining about this LB Corps all Summer Camp/Preseason and now in the Regular Season because they likely won’t win a Super Bowl with this current group., that’s why… They got all of this other talent along the DL/CB and pick-up All-Pro back-ups at RB/QB/WR and still didn;t adress the year after year problem of having a solid LB Corp..In fact, this LB Corp is not as good as last year’s group which isn’t saying much… . a Combo of Matthews/Chaney/Fokou is the weakest that I see in the entire NFL (that’s 31 other teams with more Produuctive LB and will probably prevent our Eagles in Winning a Super Bowl. this year. so yea, this is why I’m pissed. and complain..

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
September 22, 2011 11:47 pm

G fan – most Steeler fans I know sauid just wait – they will kick the ravens teeth in next time they play – they didn’t say fire the D Coordinator, fire the head coach, get rid of the QB, the LBs suck etc.

I agree all fans are emotionally attached = but I never hear a steelers fan or Pats fan bash there team, they have that, been there, done that, we got this attitude – as I said before – act like you have been there

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
September 22, 2011 11:51 pm

Pman – want to do me a favor – 8 October want to travel down to LR and give me a scouting report on the boy – 2 fall scrimmages that day No worries if you cant make it – I have about 4 dads that say they will watch and give me feedback – he claims he is starting as a freshman – I am not going to make it out this fall, planning a trip in ,

Question is, do the eagles LBs have the talent and athletisism thatonce they gain experince they can move up to match that killer O Line and all World CB corp…