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Eagles Must Deal With Internal Conflict Above All Else

“Dejected,” if you had to guess, that perhaps may be the best word to describe how Eagles fans must be feeling after their team’s second half capitulation against the San Fransicsco 49ers, at home.

The fans have every right to feel this way too, with all the hype and expectations usually reserved for a defending champion, the Eagles came into this season as the team to watch. And while some of the scrutiny that stems from comments made by their third string quarterback may be a tad unwarranted, the heavy criticism coming from the vast majority of detractors and admirers is not.

As of right now, the Eagles have become the epitome of an “all style no substance team,” underachievers of a high degree.

For moments during the San Fran game it looked as if Michael Vick was toying with the Niners defense, throwing deep balls for fun in what looked like a guaranteed W, but as we learn week after week, there are no guaranteed W’s in this league, nor is there ever a time to let your guard down in the NFL, especially not at half time when your team needs a vital win.

Indeed the Eagles looked like they were showing that all important quality that most great teams in the league have, that “bouncebackability,” a word that may not be known to Webster’s but is all too familiar for sports fans.

That “bouncebackability” dissipated, when the 3rd quarter began, and the sad, unfortunate, and at times, unbelievable reality began to sink in again. All of the sudden, the Eagles secondary couldn’t tackle anymore, the middle was free to run through, another tight end was allowed to put on a second half show, and the Red zone offense became non-existent, again.

At times, us fans of the game, who look at the sport taking into count more emotional effects than statistics can show, can often be guilty of making rash and baseless assumptions about certain players’ psyche. This time around though, there’s no need for us to even guess.

“I think it was a little bit too happy in here,” said Eagles linemen Cullen Jenkins, about the Eagles locker room at halftime. “Just because you’ve got a lead in the game doesn’t mean you’ve played a good game.”

“The biggest thing we’re missing in here is the attitude,” he continued. “There’s not that fire, that mental toughness that makes you think you’re going to make it happen. And we’ve got to get that. At some point, the man in you has to come out.”

Straight from the horse’s mouth, comes an indictment of a team for which we thought had some mental issues, but also for a team that we now know has some internal conflicts to overcome.

The 1-2 Eagles (now 1-3), came out of halftime in front of it’s own fans, needing a win, and yet as complacent as, well as Cullen Jenkins’ words would have you to believe.

And for that, there is now a price to be paid. There are many around the league who will not take the Eagles as serious contenders after yesterday’s showing, and there are others who may still hold out hope on Philly, but will need a bit of proof to vindicate their faith.

As if they didn’t before, the Eagles have something to prove now. Pride, and respect is at stake and it is most definitely is “gut check” time for the birds.

This season is far from lost and there may still be high hopes to be had for this team yet. The time for Philly to remind us of that can linger no longer, because quite frankly, the Eagles just may not be able to afford itCul

Joseph Milord

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SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 3, 2011 5:03 pm

Let’s get a look at the rookie Jarrett …he can’t be any worse…it’s time to start looking at what players to keep…Hell Page and Allen are garbage anyway.

Put lil Fabio back in there.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 3, 2011 5:18 pm

Eagles have added several high profile fist on chest pumping look at me guys the last couple of years (no names but 3 stand out). I’ve been saying since last year that there’s an attitude of “we da best” that’s been creeping into this team.

Cancer.

Could the Monday night game vs Wsh actually one of the worst hings that could have happened to the Birds? I’m serious. Too much press.

I don’t think the NYG comeback did the team any favours either. They had their asses handed to them for 80% of that game, but all they’ve heard (2 guys in particular) was how great and unstoppable they were since that game.

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 3, 2011 6:04 pm

Vinnie, I sort of agree with you. I think a lot of it is because of the lack of leadership and the incoming of new, younger players. We’ve been use to having veterans all around this team for years. But over the past few years the team has gotten a lot younger and it shows in their maturity sometimes. We don’t have those vets on the team to calm the youth down and talk to you. And then it doesn’t help when your veteran players like Samuel are showboats themselves. But for the most part veteran guys like Nnamdi and Cole aren’t showboats BUT they don’t have the leadership qualities where other players take from their attitude like a lot of other teams have. Having said that, there are only a couple players on the team I would say have an attitude that could be perceived as being cocky. I would be fine with that if it were balanced off by strong player leadership on the field. We don’t have that.

paulman
paulman
October 3, 2011 6:22 pm

I think a plyer like Jenkins (who has won a ring with the Packers) is calling out soft players who disappear when it counts (like Trent Cole,M Patterson and A Dixon) and need to show more attitude and it’s ruffling seom feathers..
there are no leader types at the LB and even Secondaty level.. Q Mickell was th glue that held that back-end together and A Samuel just does his own thinkg and is not a leader type ad Asmo looks so lost, and playing poorly,that he has little confridence or credibility… DCR is playing out his contract and will leave via Free-Agency as soon as next off-season comes and wants a chance to shine and showcase his skills which he won’t be able to do being the 3rd CB on the Eagles…
It’s just a mess.. no Veteran Leadership with the players who you would expect to hear it from, but it;s not happeneing…

BigE
BigE
October 3, 2011 7:11 pm

The Eagles have no heart and these are the players that were drafted by the head coach and Howie. You need to draft players who are aggressive and have a football attitude, not wimps who beat their chests after a catch in a losing game. The whole defensive backfield doesn’t have one solid smash mouthed tackler and on top of that they aren’t covering so good. None of the linebackers strike fear in rhe opposing tean but the opposing offense does salivate when they see opportunities to gash them for big plays and run them over. You see Desaun Jackson talking trash and beating his chest like a fool.
You see Juan Cheerleader jumping up and down like a monkey after every play propably with the 32nd ranked defense. This team is embarrasing the City and it’s fans. The dumb plays at the goal line show how clueless the coaches are after all those years of coaching. When the fans recognize their stupidity before they do something is drastically wrong.

jott1972
jott1972
October 3, 2011 7:14 pm

@paulman – Trent Cole, although absent yesterday, has been the fireplug for the defense for the past 4 seasons…Patterson is a waste of space and a paycheck..he sucks! Another wasted pick by Reid and company….

As for Jarrett, he is not an NFL player..there is a reason he isnt dressed…. Roseman needs to be replaced with a legit GM, this isnt fantasy football. This scouting department has done an awful job at talent evaluation these past few drafts and its killing this team… they have no depth and by the 4th quarter they are “done”.

schiller
schiller
October 3, 2011 7:59 pm

jott – you write of a player after his the fouth game of his rookie season with 0 snaps? That’s moronic! I don’t know what Jarrett will do in the NFL but that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. How good was Tom Brady after the 4th game of his rookie year? Man, that’s pathetic.

BigE
BigE
October 3, 2011 8:01 pm

jott1972 this isnt fantasy football

I agree 100%

schiller
schiller
October 3, 2011 8:01 pm

but jott you are correct that Paulman was way off – Jenkins was talking about Vick, Maclin, Jackson, Shady, Asante and the other cocky and ‘young guns’ who are showboating front runners. Not the quiet guys on the DL. Paulman, I swear Mike Patterson must fly to NC and take a dump on your face every night because you hate on that guy for no solid reason.

paulman
paulman
October 3, 2011 8:12 pm

I think Jenkins was calling out players on his side of the ball that Bail and Play soft down the Stretch of games and in particular his Defensive Linemates for he knows as most of us do that the success of the team hinges on the front 4 who have yet to play a solid 60 minutes of Football… and it’s all of them too… Maybe with Tapp and Parker, they will get a little lift, but what has Patterson,Laws,Dixon done so far this season and what has Cole done in the 4th quarter besides his usual fade out…

215forlife
215forlife
October 3, 2011 8:18 pm

Paulman DRC isn’t a Free agent after next yr

215forlife
215forlife
October 3, 2011 8:27 pm

I mean after this yr

BigE
BigE
October 3, 2011 8:27 pm

Schiller I would like to know how you know exactly the players Jenkins was talking about. Do you have first hand knowledge. Did you read this somewhere
or did you have a conversation with Jenkins or some of the coaches? Instead of commenting on the Eagles performance or lack thereof you try to be Andy Reid like and pick apart someones comments as Reid does to the press.

BigE
BigE
October 3, 2011 8:46 pm

Schiller the mind reader: Where are names mentioned?
I think it was a little bit too happy in here,” said Eagles linemen Cullen Jenkins, about the Eagles locker room at halftime. “Just because you’ve got a lead in the game doesn’t mean you’ve played a good game.”

“The biggest thing we’re missing in here is the attitude,” he continued. “There’s not that fire, that mental toughness that makes you think you’re going to make it happen. And we’ve got to get that. At some point, the man in you has to come out.”

jimmy mac
jimmy mac
October 3, 2011 10:02 pm

Vick isnt cocky nor is he young. Great article. And great posts. Vick has had nothing to do with this horrible start. He ate his own teeth for three games and put on a clinic yesterday. This whole debacle is our defense. The Asamouagh transaction has been nothing short of a disaster. I cant understand how some of you guys lay this at Vick’s feet when he has done everything except play Safety. Our defense and Juan Castillo are a joke, plain and simple. Back off Michael Vick, he’s doing all he can and our defense is relying on him too so they can get a free check week in and week out.

Erock
Erock
October 3, 2011 10:02 pm

Jenkins plays out of his mind and its great to hear a guy who is walkn the walk call out some “Cadillacers” and all swag team.

Paul makes a valid point and its means alot,Asmo is being wasted,Q had some cred on the d….LEADERSHIP.

Bring in a backer?

MAN UP!!…And nowww deep thoughts with Cullen Jenkins/SB winner ProBowler

If my qb breaks the huddle and his first read is rocket screen…he tells the wide..high and tight get outta bounds.Leadership.Im disgusted with everyone on o cept Mcoy.As much as the d broke, the offense flat out sh!t the bed.

jimmy mac
jimmy mac
October 3, 2011 10:18 pm

The Juan Castillo “thing” may cost Andy his job. Always liked and respected Coach Reid. Even like the way he bitch slaps the media around..all the greats do it..but this?..This year he looks lost. Truly lost. I think maybe his health is finally starting to catch up with him.. Im being serious, no juvenile fat jokes required here. I dont know man.. How long can you be that obese before it starts to put you down. Im so bewildered at how this season has started that this is where Im at with my troubleshooting.

Erock
Erock
October 3, 2011 11:12 pm

Real talk Jim

BigE
BigE
October 3, 2011 11:23 pm

I remember Schiller defended the Juan Cheerleader hiring because it was too early to cast judgement on him because he hadn’t started. Now after 4 games with Cole and other D lineman out and hurt, The defense will get worse, but how can you get worse when you are at the bottom already. Andy said Juan did some good things in the 49ers game. I only wish he has enumerated on them.

BigE
BigE
October 3, 2011 11:25 pm

Don’t fear because Brandon Graham may come back soon. I know that removes all doubt.

2000man
2000man
October 3, 2011 11:38 pm

this season is over, we are not winning a SB, so…… now what, i think dude is right, throw all picks out to the field and see what they got,watkins , jarrett and the little running back, he needs so time out there, and start looking toward next years draft and trades and free agency again, cuz we need 6 major upgrades. 2 LBs 2 DTs 2 OLs all big strong fast and most of all durable. but im stating the obvious, MAN just are lucks sucks, i remember watchin jerome brown play, emmitt never had a hundred yard game against us, until he died, they jim johnson mat they both Rest in peace ,…. friggin fog bowl,,, reggie white left… there is something more than just bad break for us, what is it, will we ever win a SUPER BOWL. how does wes walker and tom brady always win, ? oh , yeah, I can garen fuckin tee ya the patriots filmed our ass during the super bowl, and got away with it, cuzzz mr kraft, they love some cheese and mr kraft. is it me? or does the oline for new england get away with holding, every fuckin play……sucks to be a bird fan, but i will always be one. always,

tonto5
tonto5
October 3, 2011 11:50 pm

SB, serious contenders. come Gcobb. Anyone hear the Monday night countdown gang. They said Steelers are in trouble cause their rushing D is 23rd. Hell, wonder what they think of us, we are 30th.

tonto5
tonto5
October 4, 2011 12:08 am

I say keep ANDY!!!!! we now have the 23 ranked Defense. last yr was 21st. 2009 we were 19th. Funny how the last 2 of 3 SB winners had the best D. Steelers were #1 D in 2008 and last yr Packers were #2 ranked Defense….strange

schiller
schiller
October 4, 2011 1:45 am

Big, I don’t know, that was my opinion/sense of it.

bsmvideos
October 4, 2011 7:53 am

Fire the Fat Man!

He hired “Bozo the Clown” to run the defense and now everybody is paying for it.

Quit making excuses. You are what your record is. 6 probowlers on defense and they stink!

Said it all summer and will say it again.’

Andy Reid has lost his mind.

Trading out of the 1st round, putting together a pee-wee sized team playing in the East Cost, offensive line coach as def coordinator etc,

Fire the Fat Man.

ChuckRob
ChuckRob
October 4, 2011 7:54 am

LACK OF LEADERSHIP… That’s what this team is lacking. This team needs to spend more time studying and preparing for games. Less time on Twitter or worrying about their College teams. Someone needs to get fined from a HIT… No one fears this team or defense. No Identity…

schiller
schiller
October 4, 2011 9:02 am

Big E – I seriously want to thank you for phrasing the following post of yours the way you did: “I remember Schiller defended the Juan Cheerleader hiring because it was too early to cast judgement on him because he hadn’t started.”

That to me is a perfect, prime!, example of where you (and several people I often get into arguements on this site with) and I differ.

I was not defending anyone in that case. I was making a statement about the sample size to evaluate (‘cast judgement’ is a negative phrase, notice how ‘evalute’ is neutral). I didn’t say ‘Juan Castillo was a great decision for DC. I didn’t say ‘He will succeed and be a good DC’. All I said was it is foolish and silly to cast judgement before any content. That’s a fact.

You know that expression “don’t judge a book by it’s cover”, well you judge books before they’re authored!

If you told me that Desan Jackson’s grandson will suck at football, I’d say that’s ridiculous because the kid isn’t born yet. I’m not defending the son of Desan Jackson, I’m making a comment about your prejudgement.

Do you see that difference? It’s a very significant difference. It explains how I can say the things that I do without defending or expressing support for coaches and or front office personel. There’s a distinction between assessment and the subject of said assessment. I really hope that you get that now, it wiill help you and many other understand my points much much better.

schiller
schiller
October 4, 2011 9:53 am

Big – you see that comment above?

Stevo
Stevo
October 4, 2011 10:24 am

here we go again…….. back to the Gcobb blame game….
back in 04 i said andy sucked…. no no you didnt….. you love him… no no i didnt… bla bla bla.

people here care more about being right than they do about the team.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
October 4, 2011 10:39 am

Stevo = the most brilliant, profound statement on this site in weeks! I admit – i was wrong – I thought the Eagles would be 3-1 and in first place. I admit, I thought our D was going to be really solid – maybe give up some runs with the young LBs – but take away the pass and big play and keep teams out of the end zone. I admit – i thought our O would be unstoppable and we would be racking up 35 a game. I admit I thought this team looked really good coming out of the gate and after St Louis and the first 3 qtrs of Atlanta I thought – this outta shut up Songs for a while – I admit – I was wrong….

Right now this team sucks…. you douche bag no nothings fire everybody, everybody is ass are in my humble opinion band wagon jumping, fair weather fans – oh… its the same thing… oh Andy can’t draft… ohh Andy makes the guy jerk off left handed when in Oakland he was a reach around and fondle masaterbater…. oh Juan hasn’t been a D C for 100 years… oh where is Jon Gruden… oh,,,, oh…. oh ground hog day, let me make up a stupid nickname … oh the Fo aren’t football people —- it has to be this persons fault or that persons fault –

Bottom line is all 53 on the roster (including Vinve Young for that STUPID dream team comment) all 8 on practice squad and every memeber of the FO need to take a long hard look in the mirror and decide if they want to show up to work today and tommorrow

and the same goes for the ‘fans’. Don’t give me this ‘rationalized’ version of its OK I hope the team does really really bad so we get better bullshit – no fan, ever, no real, die hard, bleed green fan would ever ‘want’ the team to do bad.. get with the program – we have the coaches we have, the players we have, the team we have here and now and a game Sunday – the only way to get this ship going in the right direction is to get focused and win – this week –

we can worry about the rest when the season is over.

Yeah BSM – that will help – great ‘insight’

schiller
schiller
October 4, 2011 10:40 am

stevo – I hear you and it’s understandable that you are annoyed by this stuff – I really DO get that. But I am pointing it out to more clearly inform future discussions – I care about the team first and foremost (believe me) but I also do care about the activity of discussing the team and Philly fandom on this site (clearly, I do it a lot).

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
October 4, 2011 10:42 am

One of my greatest coaching years our team started 1-2 and got crushed in those two loses – crushed (30-0) we came back – won the next 6 gamnes – the last 4 by shoutout to make the playoffs – and then beat the team that beat us 30-0 – and we shut them out 10-0. Maybe I don’t know how to give up – that must be my problem – probably why I was so successful in Football as a player and a coach…

Stevo
Stevo
October 4, 2011 10:58 am

schiller- “But I am pointing it out to more clearly inform future discussions”.

and here is the problem. NO-ONE CARES!! I was right about Kolb and wrong about McNabb. I was right about the Lb’s and wrong about babbin. i was very very wrong about Babbin. Gladly.. wrong. But it doesnt matter. What matters is whats going on right now. What matters is that this team sucks. Because of Andy…. because of his choices…. at Lb…. at DC. at drafting. He sucks right now at all of it. And weather we perdicted that or not change NOTHING.

schiller
schiller
October 4, 2011 11:03 am

Stevo – I care and Big E care – he brought up ‘me defending’ the juan decision TODAY. it’s relevant to OUR conversation. I am not ‘nobody’, and I care about hwo someone I speak with on a regular basis (god help me) understands a viewpoint of mine that is directly relevant to our ongoing discussions.

You’re welcome to not care and igore my posts or that part of them.

You’re right about the Eagles (though I’m not convinced that a different DC would have much better results with this D so far this year)., are true. And that is definitely the bottom line. Hopefully the work somethings out and get a win v. Buffalo.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 4, 2011 11:35 am

schiller, what’s your thought about Reid “sucking hard” in the red zone, short yardage situations, time management, and knowing when to challenge for reviews?

scorpiodsu
scorpiodsu
October 4, 2011 1:01 pm

Stevo, I fully agree with you. It’s like some people come on here just to say “I told you so”. I do however think those that predicted doom or whatever, are just as upset as those that were more optimistic. I can see when you have people like Navy and Schiller telling everyone their opinion stinks and just about agree or make excuses for this organization it’s hard to not say “I told you so” especially when they do it so often. Schiller was one of the first people to act as if he someone did something great when the Eagles signed all those people in offseason. He was quick to jump on those people that called the FO cheap. So of course that was his “I told you so” moment.

If fans weren’t so critical of each other’s opinion then we wouldn’t have that as much. But when you have those that are complete polar opposites in their opinions with the team and at the same time insult each other everyone is ready for their “I told you so” moment. The fact of the matter is that we’ve all be right at times and wrong at times and for different reasons and it is disgusting that some people like Vinnie rather see Vick fail because he doesn’t like him and that type of QB but claim to be an Eagle’s fan in the same breath. But if Vick fails or plays bad he gets to posts how he was right the entire time. Just sad.

At the end of the day, I think we all want the team to succeed. Even the most pessimistic person would love to be proven wrong if that meant a championship. The problem is this team does everything it’s power week to week to divide fans and bring out the “I told you so” in all the people that really believe Reid can’t do it. But what would be more interesting is that if Reid did win, I’m pretty sure those that supported him will say…… well you know.

paulman
paulman
October 4, 2011 1:12 pm

Anyone want to bet that the BIlls put 35 Points + on this Eagle Defense this week.. They lost last weak to a overmatched but hungry Bengal team on the road, so their big heads after beating nemesis New England are long gone and they will prepare ahard and HC/OC Chan Gailley is licking his chops puttting together a game plan versus thie Eagle Defense.. Expect lots of 4 wide and slants to the slot recivers to the middle of th field yielding big plays like the 49ers 1st TD where he catches a 7 yard slant and virtually runs in 30 yards untouched which is unbelieveable to happen in the NFL in my opintion.. Then a few deep passes to Steve Johnson past a befuddled Asmo and then the Tight End Chandler with 15 yard Button Hooks and DOwn and outs all game long and ooh I forgot to mention both RB’s Fred Jacksons and CJ Spiller runing for 60-80 Yards each and turning a coupld of screen passes for big yards and potential TD plays… This game will be 38-27 or 41 to 30 but the BIlls win as the Eagles come back to score some late points to make the final score closer than the actual game was,,, and then I will be repeating the same story that this Eagle Team is just not that good and that the Playoffs chances become even more remote and the Team would need to run the Table to get in which isn’t going to happen…

chevron2105
chevron2105
October 4, 2011 1:21 pm

@Jimmie Mac,

Preach Brutha!!!!

chevron2105
chevron2105
October 4, 2011 1:27 pm

@ jimmy mac
True it might be health issues or he might also be suffering from a mental meltdown.

Stevo
Stevo
October 4, 2011 1:29 pm

schiller- btw- i have no beef with you. i have no idea what positions everyone has on here. My larger point is that most people have some bias that they bring to this forum….

Songs= Vick is the man- F.O. is cheap- Dawkins is God,
Pman= Phillies will suck because they are old and because he is smarter than everyone else.

Everything is seen through these lenzes and NOTHING changes for anyone. Its the same conversation day in and day out. all im saying is….. everyone needs to gain a litte perspective and stop trying to be the guy who figured it all out first.

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chevron2105
October 4, 2011 1:42 pm

@ Paulman, Yep I absolutely agree. The only thing where we differ is that I think your giving this team too much credit. I see a blowout coming this week. Am I being negative? Perhaps. Maybe its just me but I just don’t see how all the glaring issues this team had over the last 4 weeks, gets suddenly and magically corrected in a few days. But, hey anything is possible.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 4, 2011 1:53 pm

Here’s what I know personally after years of watching and supporting Reid.

Every year Reid injects himself and gets in the way of the prize.

EVERY TIME!

Remember the Blaine Bishop coming while Jeremiah Trotter leave debacle?

Jurevicus is still running.

That was a big year!!!!!!

Reid got in the way and punctuated the situation by abandoning the run.

Tampa Bay wins!!!!!!!!

Remember the year we were told our reciever’s were just fine?

Damn midget from carolina wouldn’t let Pinky off the line.

Stifled!!!!!! Panther’s win!!!!

Finally we get T.O….in the Superbowl leading by 3 at the half.

We’re in position to get within striking to win it all time ticking against us.

Andy don’t go to the 2 minute drill but take his sweet time getting in plays.

“WE SCORE”!!!!!!

But the majority of the CLOCK have expired.

We lose again.

This is what we come to expect with Andy Reid..

So when the 49ers scored twice after halftime…Was any of you surprised Alex Smith looked like Montana against our team and pulled out a win?

I wasn’t the least surprised.

This is what we as fans are use to.

Failed special teams coach Segrest rewarded with a job over the secondary…the secondary sucks once he put over them. Expected an improvement? …..I didn’t

Reno Mahe put in charge of return duty while the position is being ignored…

We’re screaming for a return guy!!!!!

Drop 2 games in a row due to poor return plays with fumbles that cost us.

I can go on and on…..we were here with Mcdermott..Andy said he’s the guy who worked close to JJ because we didn’t protect Spags like most teams do with up and coming coaches.

McDermott is “outta here”.

Now, it’s the damn woeful offensive line coach over the defense?

Come on guys…Even the most starch supporter of Reid must admit something is flawed in his thinking in key areas that can make or break a team and waste a promising season.

Reid can not get out of the way!

It would serve the Eagles Brass by letting Reid do what he do best and put others in position where he’s clearly flawed.

I think he earned an organizational position somewhere within the Eagles Brass but it’s time to let a real game day coach, coach this team. We need a field general that will not take crap. We need coaches who have pedigree in positions as coaches.

We need a change

Reid should be that change and he can take his caddys Don Juan Castillo and Marty Morning Breath with him.

“THE 3 AMIGOS”

Stevo
Stevo
October 4, 2011 1:58 pm

Songs- YES!!!! Sound argument- agree with every word and the best part is…… you took yourself out of the point. It was not about you being right…. it was about facts. BEST POST OF THE DAY MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!

paulman
paulman
October 4, 2011 2:13 pm

Good one Songs…

Stevo
Stevo
October 4, 2011 2:31 pm

Vinnie- “Eagles have added several high profile fist on chest pumping look at me guys the last couple of years (no names but 3 stand out)”.

i know right-

NNamdi- what a tool…. with all the help he does around the world. So dumb.

Jenkins- taking the blame for this team and saying we need to step up- cocky.

Babbin- all them sacks…. i hate how he does the lambou leap after eachone.

Mike Vick- saying he’d have to be carted off the field because he wants us all to win. AND THEN…… he has the nerve to put the blame on HIS shoulders after the D folds like a tent. UNREAL.

your right vinnie- what we need is Kevin Kolb.

schiller
schiller
October 4, 2011 2:37 pm

Songs – “schiller, what’s your thought about Reid “sucking hard” in the red zone, short yardage situations, time management, and knowing when to challenge for reviews?”

First, I disagree with them sucking at short yardage situations and challenges.

Short yardage – that was a major issue for years in the past. I honestly feel that from when they signed Weaver (he was great at it), Vick – same even when it was all he ever did, McCoy – very good at it, harrison – same…. etc… I don’t think it’s been an issue. There will be times when every team – even the Steelers and other strong running teams – fail to convert a short yardage play. I feel however that the Eagles are not below average at it. If you’re strictly talking about pounding it directly up the middle with this current OL, well yeah, they’re small interior so that’s an issue. But Vick, McCoy, and many others – DJax on a stretch…to the corners? We’re great at it.

And challenges – see navy’s stats you can ignore them all you want but Reid isn’t that bad at it. He’s just not. Yeah, there will be times where he should have and didn’t challenge and times when he throws the yellow flag and is wrong. But it’s very challenging and it’s easy for fans to have a better view of it. I do think that Reid, and every coach, should consider getting an assistant to do it full time – ala tressell I believe it is who was hired to do it for a team this year but was suspended for violating rules in college?

The other stuff – dunno, it sucks. Wish and hope it would improve.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 4, 2011 3:12 pm

Schill..if you were in position,….What would you do to improve the other stuff…instead of hoping things improve?

If you were a head coach would you put a guy who was argubly over the worse offensive line in the league as defensive coordinator?

Do you think Juan “Sucks Ass?”

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
October 4, 2011 3:27 pm

Can I play songs – if I could sprinkle magic pixie dust and live in your world of make believe –

cut down on turnovers……. we are avergaing waht 3 a game – no picks, no fumbles

2) No dropped passes – for a team that passes so much we have got to catch the ball and then HOLD IT

3) penalties – got to cut down on the free 15 yarders…

pretty basic solid stuff right – play good, clean football and then see what happens….

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
October 4, 2011 3:30 pm

ESPN did an article a while back on how the teams do replays (challenege them) – and Ried uses an assistant – according to the article – didn’t say which one – but apparently they are at the mercy of the TV replay crews to show the replays and they have to find the right angle to challenge or not challenege – and the other team is either 1) running a play quickly or 2) you are up against the play clock.

schiller
schiller
October 4, 2011 3:36 pm

songs – that’s the difference between us – I tend to not play ‘arm chair’ coach. I don’t have the training, the experience, the expertise, the film, the access to the players and a whole buttload of other resources Reid, and any head coach, does.

But it seems like many fans, not just you specifically, act like they have just as much ability to make the decisions.

About Juan – first I don’t think he was the very best OL in the league. But I certainly do not think he was the worst, or that his Ol was the worst – or even close to it. There were many teams with worse OLs during Juan’s tenure, including last year. Songs this is an example where either your bias (it’s cool we all have biases, I certainly do, and yours is clear as day an known to all) is SERIOUSLY skewing your perception, OR you’re just exaggerating out of emotion from the Eagles sucking it up recently. But either way – suggesting that Juan was a bad idea because he a bad OL coach in the first place is stretching it big time.

I don’t think that ‘Juan sucks ass’. I think that some aspects of the defense in the 4 games so far have sucked ass. I KNOW that you can’t tell if a coach in a new role sucks ass in four games. I KNOW that you can opine or guess if a coach is good after only four games, and your guess/opinion may turn out to hold true over time. But I Know that you’re harping an a conclusion that you jumped to at a point that is too early for accurate assessment.

Dude, the Eagles f-d up big time in the last 3 games. NO DOUBT. And if the trend continues, they’re in trouble for sure. But you’re (characteristicly) looking for blame and solutions now. That’s your perogative, you like to do that. And you’re free to. But I think a football team needs time and opportunities to develop/improve and make changes. It’s Tuesday. They don’t play till Sunday. There’s 0 things that you or I can do or say today that will influence anything about the Eagles. So you can talk, or question all you like and it won’t do anything. I personally don’t like to waste the time.