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Report: Reid wanted Manning and more control

It’s not often that you get big Philadelphia Eagles insider news out of the Los Angeles Times, but it seems that there are some nuggets in today’s edition that will be quite interesting for Birds fans.

Sam Farmer cites two NFL sources – who wished to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the situation – who say that Andy Reid was prepared to walk away from the Eagles this past offseason if he didn’t get more control.

Oh…where do I start?

There has definitely been some confusion in the last couple years about the actual power structure within the Eagles organization (from an outsiders perspective, let’s give them the benefit of the doubt that there is no internal confusion…I hope). Many said that Reid had lost a lot of his juice and wasn’t making all the decisions anymore. Howie Roseman is the general manager, but how much say does he have in actual football decisions? And where is Joe Banner in all of this? And who has the ultimate final ruling? I’ve spoken to several people who cover the team and asked them about who has final say at this point. No one really had an answer.

So, many assumed that it was Reid, because that’s how it used to be and other in the front office like Roseman have maintained that Reid still had final say. So, he’d be the one to largely blame for the absolute debacle that was the 2011 season. He’d be the one with his head on the chopping block, only to be saved by Jeffrey Lurie at the last minute. Well, according to this report, that doesn’t seem to be the case. Maybe Andy was cooking dinner in 2011 with groceries that someone else bought, and he was tired of falling short for it. It’s possible that Andy was tired of taking flack for things that he knew internally he had no control over.

So now, according to the report, Andy has more control over personnel now. Could this be a reason for re-signing so many of the Eagles own players? Does this have anything to do with a DeSean Jackson deal getting done? I’m not sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised.

There is another interesting little piece of information in the Times article that Michael Vick fans might not appreciate. Reid wanted in on the Peyton Manning sweepstakes several weeks ago, but his interest chilled when he found out that Peyton had no interest in playing his little brother twice a year. I guess there must be a lot of outs in that $100 million contract that Vick has.

Micah Warren

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vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
March 23, 2012 4:01 pm

Smart man that Reid is.

cluelesseaglesfan
cluelesseaglesfan
March 23, 2012 4:19 pm

Micah glad to see someone’s awake. When G gets back from his vacation tell him he’s doing a great job. Two or three days without an article on this site is a joke. There’s nothing going on in sports I guess. Anyway good article.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
March 23, 2012 4:23 pm

when a graduate from Brigham Young University is hired and starts negotiating contracts then I’ll believe Andy Reid is making decisions again and not a minute before —

pdiddy
pdiddy
March 23, 2012 4:32 pm

Good I am glad to here that he at least mad the dam attempt at manning. Nothing against Vick, but when you have a chance to get greatness, you have to at least try.

jott1972
jott1972
March 23, 2012 4:46 pm

simply put….Roseman has called the shots for the past 2 drafts and gets an “F”…..Reid wants to make the ultimate decision over him.

lionsden
lionsden
March 23, 2012 4:48 pm

Positive Vick article… No Giants Fans commenting. Negative Vick article… Giants Fans Commander in Chief is first to comment. You can set your watch by this guy. I’ll give the Giant’s fans on this site this… they are consistent in their effort to undermine our team… but I predict it will not work.

In other news… does anyone else think that Matt Forte is about to get screwed by the Bears??? Playing the “good little soldier” really got him kicked in the ass. When you get hurt as a result of being 60 to 70 percent of your teams offense you should be shown a little more respect.

schiller
schiller
March 23, 2012 4:49 pm

eagles0 – you’re weird. The only evidence to suggest Reid has any lack of power is people in the media saying – and they sight nothing as evidence. So that proves, that you’ll accept heresay as fact if it supports your argument. That makes you a very poor source of reason.

Erock
Erock
March 23, 2012 4:49 pm

I know….can we get a draft analysis?How bout a FA angle piece?

The best thing on this site is the comments of late.

This is so interesting I read half of it and predicted the rest.

Good to know the Walrus has taken back the ship.Or at least the stern.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
March 23, 2012 4:50 pm

I think the report is bogus and of course they looked at the POSSIBILITY of bringing in Manning. Every team other than the Colts, Packers, Patriots, and Saints should have looked at the possibility to bring in Manning.

schiller
schiller
March 23, 2012 4:51 pm

Jott – so you believe you can grade a draft class within 1-2 years out?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
March 23, 2012 5:11 pm

2-3 days with no activity and this is the story that is posted……..I heard Reid speak on this same topic with the same response over a week ago…
Anyone that things that AR didn’t have control or his control was minimized over the last few years, is simply inaccurate…what head coach doesn’t have decisions regarding personnel…This is a non story and doesn’t surprise me one bit that the media is trying to stir some ish up, that really shouldn’t even be a topic!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
March 23, 2012 5:25 pm

Every cent spent is controlled by Joe Banner — it always has and always will be and anyone who thinks Andy Reid makes decisions is a DINGBAT – the only decision Andy Reid is allowed to make is his lunch order

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
March 23, 2012 5:28 pm

@Eagles0 – you must be crazy, in fact you must be a crazy, “dingbat” if you think AR has no control over what player is brought in to play for him…yea bring in any player you want and I’ll coach them, I dont care if they have issues, or if they dont fit into what I’m trying to do here….yea thats how it works, bring in any player, doesn’t matter…yea, ok, that sounds realistic, not!…AR doesn’t give the FO a list of players he’d like to look at…

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
March 23, 2012 5:31 pm

— Andy Reid can make a suggestion but Joe Banner’s calculator makes every single penny decision EVERY ONE

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
March 23, 2012 5:31 pm

@Vinnie – That AR is a smart man indeed…especially how he shipped Kolb’s ass off for a player and a 2nd rounder….How he promoted Vick to starter, when Kolb was hurt…you are absolutely right, the man is a very smart man…

schiller
schiller
March 23, 2012 5:34 pm

eagles0 – Got brains? You just say stuff. You have nothing to back it up. Newsflash for ya genius – every sports team has front office guys in charge, over a coach. The Eagles are no different. There’s nothing out of the ordinary about the way thte team operates.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
March 23, 2012 5:37 pm

@Eagles0 – I do hear what your saying…But I think it goes more like this…ok we have a this much avail in cap this year…who do we want to cut? (decided by AR and the coaches, GM) What players do we want to resign? we can bring in 3 new players or so…What position do you consider of need? (decided by AR and the coaching staff) Here is a list of players that fit into the budget, unless you want to make some additional cuts or try to trade a player…AR looks it over, decides….yes AR is not alone with the decision making, no doubt…but he does more than just give suggestions…

paulman
paulman
March 23, 2012 6:03 pm

old news as far as I am concerned.. I have stated many times that AR’s Power and Authority has been stipped away little by little each year and that Joe Banner is the man behind the curtain who really calls the shots for the Organization, and if that wasn’t bad enough, Banner now has his boy, GM Roseman, out front making personnel decisions,overseeing the Draft, etc,etc.. I also Stated the last 2 Years that I would not be all that Surprised if Coach AR saysd F-It, I am outtag here working for these Turkeys…
To many in the Philly Media and Fans think it’s all Cacoh AR and that he has the final say so, and he at one time before the issues with his Kids occured, then Owner Lurie/Pres Banner just didn’t like the Feeling of 1 person being in control all Football matters ni the event something should happen,and they started to peel away his authority and spread out his repsonsibility amongst other people..(which I am not saying isn’t a bad thing) but it was a change in how things were run before when ATR had complete control.. I truly believe that 2012 may be Coach AR final Season for he will not go into the 2013 Season with no extension and as a lame duck coach, it won’t happen, no way, no how..

dtime
dtime
March 23, 2012 7:07 pm

Back to the draft. Now that the MLB position seems to be solved. Anyone think the Eagles picking a QB in the 1st round ?

dtime
dtime
March 23, 2012 7:11 pm

Maybe Ryan Tannehill ?

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
March 23, 2012 7:26 pm

Dtime- wont happen unless Luck or RG3 become available. I see the birds ultimately going DT, i didnt see them going safety bc would it make sense to have 4 young safeties back there? To me, no. May add a veteran there. But LB is a possibility there at 15 if Luke Keuchly drops a little.. not wr, not rb or te, not OL either, theyll get depth at those positions later.. They go defense and im thinking that Cox Brockers and Poe are there targets.. Poe probably attracts them the most bc of his outstanding combine performance and the size speed and strength he has, they may try to move up for him.. but i see them going DT/LB and maybe CB if they decide to move Asante next week during Owners meeting week or during draft weekend, strong possibility…

dtime
dtime
March 23, 2012 7:45 pm

You would think DT or maybe trading down for a outside LB (Zach Brown )?

nev856
nev856
March 23, 2012 7:56 pm

any comments on drew stanton going to the colts for a bag of peanuts !

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
March 23, 2012 8:04 pm

Dtime– the eagles like LBs that can play all three positions. If you havent noticed they have DRyans who can play all three LB spots in a 4-3, chaney, matthews, rolle etc etc, so im not totally sure they will draft a OLB specifically. I think they go Keuchley at that spot if they can get him.. there LB coach Caldwell was at Lukes proday and ran drills with the kid so he may be a eagle if still available.. and luke can play all 3 LB positions as well.. but DT is a need in my mind esp in a draft where thats a position of strength. Like 7-9 could go in the 1st round.. I dont see the birds out smarting themselves this year, I think they ll make a wise decision and go with the very best player, even if that means moving up to get him..

pdiddy
pdiddy
March 23, 2012 8:04 pm

JH, I hope your wrong man Still’s seems to be a better player than Poe. I think he fits their scheme better too. Poe is like a noseguard in a 3-4 scheme. I got that one from Pman, but its true Still fits their system better. Just my thought thats. We haven’t had anybody that size since hollis thomas. Plus Poe’s stats and competition in college was week.

pdiddy
pdiddy
March 23, 2012 8:06 pm

Dammit I meant to say weak

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
March 23, 2012 8:12 pm

Pdiddy– Im a still fan too but the man has dropped dramatically, all the way into the 20s. Poe could play in any defense. I would think the birds, esp washburn would be licking his chops to get his hands on a guy like Poe bc he not only has size, but hes faster and stronger than all of the other DTs entering the draft. Keep in mind that Poe didnt have great stats bc he was always being double and triple teamed. Hes a force, and can impact a game immensely.. Still is a young guy with alot of growth ahead of him.. if the birds went his direction later i wouldnt be mad but if Poe is staring at them, i doubt they pass him up..

larrwd
larrwd
March 23, 2012 8:27 pm

peyton manning is done unless he changed his throwing motion..

paulman
paulman
March 23, 2012 8:29 pm

I think the Eagles will surpirse with their 1st Round pick if the remain at #15 Pick
Top 3 Surprise picks

#1) DE Whitney Mercilus (Illinois 6-4 261lbs) — This years best pure pass-rusher in my opinion who reminds me a lot of 49ers Aldon Smith who had a great productive season as a Rookie last year with the 49ers. he’s long,lean and has the frame to bulk up to 270-275lbs in 2 years time easily and is more polished than JPP was coming out of College.. Remeber that Trent Cole & Babin are plus 30 years of age and the jury is still out from everyone’s opinion about Brandon Graham.. Mercilus will be Rotational player his Rookie season but could really be something special by 2013 under Coach Washburn

#2) WR Micheal Floyd (Notre Dame 6-3 220lbs) the top Team have more than 2 threats at WR.. Look at the Giants,Packers,Saints who all go 3-4 Deep at tee WR position.. Remember the Maclin is coming into a Contract Year after the 2012 Season, will the Eagle give him a $40-$50 Million Deal like they did with D-Jax.. who knows.. but Floyd could contribute his Rookie Season at the main return man in Kick-offs & Punts and see some action in 3 WR Sets and could really present some match-up problems.. Imagine having D-Jax Wide left, MAclin WIde right and Floyd in the Slot with his size… Do Defense’s dare a LB or Saferty on him and leave the D-Jax/Macin on the outside with 1-1 man coverage.. I think Floyd could easily develop into the #3 WR by 2013 and depending what happens with Maclin future contract scenario, would be a talented WR ready to compete for a Starters position in 2013 if Maclin were to move on.. This would be a great Value pick at #15 anyway you look at it..

#3) CB Dre Kirkpatrick (Alabama 6-2 190lbs) a Physical cover CB who probably lacks the pure speed to play outside CB, but has the quickness, toughness to play the Slot CB and replace J Hanson in 2013 and the 1st Nickel Back in… Also could put ion 10 lbs once in the Eagles program and be a Safety with his coverage skills and having a good nose for the ball and working with New DC Coach Todd Bowles could be that utility player to play all position in the Seconday as a nickle back, and especially if the Eagles trade/release Samuel and remember that CB DCR is also heading into a Contract Season.. What happens if Samuel moves on and DCR is not as good as everyone thought..or if an injury occurs to one of the CB’s… This would be another great Vaue pick and may not pay dividends until 2013..

This Draft is very Deep at DT and OLB and good ones could be selected with thier 2 2nd ROund PIcks in my opinion and wit hthe OL signed,secure for the next 3-4 Season with all of them, grabbing an OL with their 1st Pick just doesn’t fill a short term need of even one for 2013 where I think the 3 Players I listed can all contribute in 2012, but could major contributors by the 2013 Season

larrwd
larrwd
March 23, 2012 8:41 pm

i think they still may take kuechly if hes there at 15

paulman
paulman
March 23, 2012 8:43 pm

Great move by th eCOlts in getting Drew Stanton
I liked him out of Mich State when he came out a few years ago and is quality back-up with enough ability to start a couple of games and still giving a team a chance to win.. Not the biggest arm, but very accurate with the imtermdiate routes and a good leader who takes control of the huddle.. I think the Jets will regret in giving him up for Tebow in about a year from now…

pdiddy
pdiddy
March 23, 2012 8:47 pm

JH, I disagree Stills played against the big boys everyweek and Poe played like division II ball or something. And he didn’t dominate that, he got coached up to do a really good combine workout. But game film tells the real story, I admit I am bias my old school and everything, plus I saw Stills like every game so I could be wrong. But I never heard of Poe in college unitl the combine.

larrwd
larrwd
March 23, 2012 8:50 pm

Still is the best DT in the draft i have no idea why hes ranked 4 or 5 he had the most sakc the most takcles for loss. and just look at the tape.. you can just tell

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
March 23, 2012 8:51 pm

i had read stanton was pissed about tebow coming in..

SHould make this draft fun.. Notre Dame players – aren’t we rid of all of them at this point?

10- 11 2 minutes left

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
March 23, 2012 8:52 pm

Hermanns plaed DII ball – but I admit – I couldn’t tell you the difference between the two…. Pman – you are looking in areas most think the birds are already solid.. floyd vs buress? thoughts

pdiddy
pdiddy
March 23, 2012 8:57 pm

My bad memphis is D I but Still’s is way better, If they choose Poe big mistake.

dtime
dtime
March 23, 2012 8:57 pm

Paulman,

I like the idea of a big WR. A player that can go over the middle and I’m not a big fan of Maclin.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
March 23, 2012 8:59 pm

so DT – draft Floyd or sign Buress?

pman – 10-11 final

paulman
paulman
March 23, 2012 9:05 pm

I think Kuehcly goes as early to the Bills at #10 or Seahawks at #12 and no later that #13 to the CArdinals… If he drops to #15, the Eagles could have a great Chance or Trading that Pick to a team who is really high on him and would want to move up to get him… The Bears at #19, theTitans at #20, the Broncos at #25 an don’t discount the Pats who haev the #27 & #31 Picks… Belicheck supposedly loves Kuechley and has followed him since his Jr Season at Boston College.. The Pats have a very good MLB IN Jarrod Mayo but perhaps Kuechley could be used on the outside for them…

pdiddy
pdiddy
March 23, 2012 9:07 pm

Yeah I wouldn’t be opposed to a big wide out. It makes no sense to have to small receivers. Djax is here to stay obviously(hurray), we can get rid of the stay Puff Marshmellow man (Maclin).

larrwd
larrwd
March 23, 2012 9:19 pm

we wouldnt draft a reciever that high though .. unless blackmon fell which isnt going to happen they wouldnt take michael floyd that high but hes a beast

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
March 23, 2012 9:25 pm

The Eagles wont go WR there. I just dont see it. The position i see them upgrading at is DT. Too my questions there, guys returning from injuries and surgeries and age too. I see them adding a young DT there. LB is another position i see them possibly upgrading to add to the current crop. WR i just cant see.. but they may look to add a guy like Floyd, but i dont see it. The offense is not the problem, it was the defenses inability to get 3 and outs. They couldnt get off the field. Why draft offense when defense is the spot of need? Give me a big dominant DT or a versatile LB or a replacement for CB Samuel who may be moved as early as next week or on draft weekend..

daggolden
daggolden
March 23, 2012 9:30 pm

You want a WR. Theres a big WR tht is a FA that I always thought never got a opportunity to play. But every time I watched the Chargers he would always make a play. How about kicking the tires on Legedu.Naanee. 6-2 230 and runs a 4.4. Always thought if he only got a better shot.

paulman
paulman
March 23, 2012 9:42 pm

To Navy, close game and another tough one to lose..they got to stick together and not get frustrated by those close,late losses..

Back on my 3 Players who could be Drafted Scenarios,
I chose these 3 because of Upside,VAlue and to be better positioned at 3 mist critical SKills positions (outside of QB), but DE, CB and WR where all 3 of these players can be major contributors by 2013 and beyond

Theere will be 2-3 Good DL in the 2nd Round at #46 Pick and there will be plaeny of OLB to chose from with the #51 Pick in the 2nd ROund.. To have a chance for a Top end player at a critical position for the FUture where any of the 3 would be coming into a great situation and can leatn behind some proven Veteran players and not expect to be a Savior as many 1st Round picks are unfairly expected by the local media and fans..
Think of a WR Corp of D-Jax/Maclin/Avant/Floyd/Cooper…
Or a DE Rotiation of COle,BAbin,Tapp,Graham,Hunt & Mercilus
or a CB Corp of Asmo,DCR,HAnson,Hughes,MArsh & Kirkpatrick
or a SAfety COrp of Allen,COleman,Jarrett and Kirkpartick…

EaglesSuck
EaglesSuck
March 23, 2012 9:49 pm

For one I do not see the Eagles doing ANYTHING about their safety situation. Drafting 2 safeties in the 2nd round two years in a row. Its not gonna happen for a 3rd. Andy Reid has never drafted a LB in the first round however he has drafted 3 DT in the first round the most out of any position in the Andy Reid era. I see Andy getting COX

*no pun intended*

larrwd
larrwd
March 23, 2012 9:54 pm

coleman can play.. thats about it.. nate allen didnt get ran over as much last season as the year before.. hopefully jarrett can replace nate allen and coleman can gain 7-10 lbs

paulman
paulman
March 23, 2012 9:57 pm

To Daggold,
Good Call on WR L Naanee and watched him a lot last year when he played for the Panthers and thought he was by far, their 2nd Best WR on their team after Steve Smith.. Panthers are close to the Cap and probably can’t afford to re-sign him for what he is looking for and I am surprised that no one has picked him up yet… The Redskins,Colts,Cowboys,Vikings and Eagles would all be good fits for him..

Deasr
Deasr
March 23, 2012 10:04 pm

Hey JH, are they still planning on making any moves this weekend or next week before the meetings? What do think they are up to?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
March 23, 2012 10:08 pm

Howie Roseman at the Wharton School of Business this year said the birds will be selecting the best available player reguardless of position with their high picks to avoid over thinking the draft and getting the very best Collegiate players on their team– something tells me that an internal review of their recent draft strategy has changed Howie and Joe’s approach —— one of their top ten players will slip to 15

dtime
dtime
March 23, 2012 10:08 pm

Why not a young QB? If there was ever a chance to get a young QB it’s now. If Ryan Tannehill is a value pick I think it’s a good idea. I think we have enough undersized DE’s and they need to give Graham a chance. There record in drafting DE isn’t very good. They also need to give the young safeties a chance to develope