The Eagles were either going through the motions yesterday by spending some time with top defensive tackle prospect Dontari Poe or they believe defensive line coach Jim Washburn can put a fire under him to make him live up to his potential.
Poe was the star of this year’s NFL Combine by running in the 4.9 range in the forty-yard dash while weighing a mammoth 354 pounds. He led the bench-pressing by pushing up 225 pounds 44 times.
There’s no question that those are astounding numbers, but when you look at Poe on tape he’s nothing special. I see him as a major risk at the fifteenth spot where the Birds are picking. Maybe Washburn can go crazy on him in every practice and every game to make him play up to his talent, but that’s a big chance.
I don’t want to draft a guy who does nothing but stand around and wrestle with offensive linemen during the games. I would much rather see them take somebody who plays harder.
Who cares about the forty-yard dash and bench press? A great forty time and record bench press numbers don’t make a good football player.
on Path to the Draft, Charlie Casserly said he watched tape on Poe against 3 good programs and he was disruptive and a factor on defense…he thinks he is a top 10 pick. I dont see it!
I can see the Eagles using a 2nd round pick to move up for him….
I see them moving out of the first round now. Unless they think they have a shot at Blackmon ,which is slim to none.
A d-tackle runs 40 yards when hes joggin off the field.225 press measures how much long range strenth he has…wow.
Still is a go hard guy and will bsut his butt for the program.
I don’t see him as a fit in Washburn’s Schemes and have stated so since the combine.. It doesn’t hurt to work him out and see what he’s all about.. and if noting else a Team may want to move up and trade with the Eagels for their #15 Picke if some other team is really high on him netting the Eagles more picks….
DT D Still ahs dropped by most accounts to the 2nd Round.. Many have the Eagles maybe selecting him at #46 .. but it doesn’t appear Still will be a 1st Round Selection at this point..
Pman – the Bengals just released a vet safety – he any good?
I was just going to post about Chris Cocker (Age 32)
He’s 5-11 200lbs and a 9 Year Veteran.. HE has started 38 Games for the Bengals over the last 3 years and had knee issues in 2010.. Not make of a ball hawk with 10 CAreer INt’s.. More of in the box Safety and pretty effective on the SAfety Blites, known for his tackling but not so strong in Pass Coverages..
I don’t belive there wll be a strong interest from the Eagles on him.. They Hasve Coleman/Jarrett who they believe are more in the box type of Safeties, they really need someone who is qwuicker and better in pass coverages and I don’t think Crocker is that guy, He was due to make $2.5 this season and could be a short-term stop gap for less than that to add a veteran prescence on the back line.. He went to Marshall University in case anyone is wondering..
Still looks gook on tape and is the most hungry. Self proclaimed best DT in the draft. He brashness will make him work even harder. I think the eagles should trade there 2 2nd round picks for a 1st
there is alot of talent available at DT — I don’t see alot of busts — I like Poe but it is hard to disagree with everyone else here that SEC players like Cox and Brockers are wiser picks from the best conference in land
larrwd — I like Still but I do question his Durability— his first two years at Penn State were riddled with injuries
Crocker if some of you recall was beat on some bad plays in that Playoff game versus the Texasn last year, he missed a tackle an open field tackle on RB Arian Foster who then went on for a 60 yd TD Run and he got beat by one of the Texans TE’s on a TD pass..
Paulmans’ List of DT’s to Draft
#1) Fletcher Cox (Miss State 6-4 300lbs)
#2) Jerel Worthy(Mich State 6-2 310lbs)
#3) Kendall Reyes (U Conn 6-4 300lbs)
#4) Mike Martin (Michigan 6-1 310lbs)
#5) Derek Wolfe (Cincinnati 6-5 300lbs)
I am staying away from D Poe, M Brockers and D Still at all costs..
The lack of size on this defense has been a problem for YEARS. I definitely don’t want Fletcher Cox…he may play well in an adequately sized D-Line, but in Philly it seems like he would just contribute to the undersized overachieving defenses that have not been able to finish in the post season for the last 13 years. I don’t know if Poe will be available at 15 (highly unlikely) but that’s one guy the Eagles SHOULD roll the dice on.
Flethcer Cox impressed me with the film i’ve seen on him.
Still went to h.s. i my area and i knew a couple coaches on the staff. They all said he’s a hard worker and was always looking to get better. Thats when he knew he was goin D1.He stilll ended up dominating that level.Some guys around this area wo are getting looks let there heads blow up. Not Still.I’d love for the Birds to take him.He’d flourish under Wash. But Cox is a better player. I like the either. Dtackle seems the safe pick..we need depth.Always helps.
FASTBALLS!!!!
Giants arent gonna be run heavy and neither will the Cowboys,why not get a guy whos 3 and some change…dont gotta get a fat body.
Wash will turn whatever d-lineman we get into a player though.Are we confident in that ?
I too watched Path to the Draft, and heard what Charlie Casserly’s statement about Poe. He pointed out that in MOST games he was double, and tripled teamed so much it’s no wonder his stats were affected. Those Games in which he shined was against Alabama, Georgia, and LSU. He then stated that he may not be your typical Combine Warrior. I don’t know either, I understand the thought, and history of those players being major risks is concerned but it would be ashame if we were wrong. You have to at least do your home work. But, How many can argue with Charlie Casserley.
I’ve stated on post that Devon Still would drop. With all you like on tape there are still issues. Don’t be surprised if he is a bust.
I also read poe was double and triple teamed. .the article said that he was such a good player on such a bad defense that he was the only player teams cared about
I’m going to say it right now. I remember the Eagles did all those signings last year and refused to address the linebackers and safeties and I’m afraid this will happen again concerning the safety position. The Eagles are acting as if they have addressed all their weaknesses and now shifting towards the draft. You guys know this team sucks ass drafting impact players in the early rounds of the draft, so anyone expecting a defensive player to come in as a rookie and show promise is sadly mistaken.
The Eagles really need to get this safety position together immediately. No more wasting seasons on these damn bums. Nate allen is a bum and right now is not better than below average Kurt Coleman. If the Eagles go into this season thinking Nate Allen is more than what he’ve shown so far…we’ll lose another what could be a promising season.
We need to go Poe, trade back into the late 1st round and get Barron if there’s no good veterans to sign, The highest rated Linebacker on the board in the 3rd round and if Vontaze Burfict is available when we pick in the 4th round..grab him knowing you can get a top talent if a coach can bring him around at a bargain price.
I’m with you 100% on this one songs…100% buddy. I couldn’t have written a better post today and I’m all in for Poe and Burfict. Watch these idiot FO pass on these guys and another team pick them up and they become serious disruptive defensive playmakers on the field, and we all sit here another offseason babbling about the stupid mistakes this FO makes because they didn’t get these monsters.
kurt coleman can play .. and is a play maker.. he does need about 10 pounds to be truely solid though.. i agree with nate allen though but he did get better at tackling later in the season.. and jarrett, the lock out slowed him down.. i would like to draft a saftey too but we can keep drafting safteys every year..
larrwd…I’m so tired of hearing what they did at the end of the season…..F ..that!
They didn’t do a damn thing….the season was over.
4-8 in the first 12 games…
that’s what I remember.
I remember Juan Castillo and this defense blowing 4 4th quarter leads.
I remember bum ass Matthews at MLB when we all was screaming for a MLB in the offseason.
I remember garbage ass Castillo moving Asomungha around instead of locking him up on teams best receiver.
I remember Nate (toast) Allen getting targeted and turn around almost every game…and getting beat constantly in the red zone.
I remember teams running at will against our team.
I remember Arizona handing our ass over to us at home with a 2nd string Skelton at QB.
I remember garbage Seahawks blowing us out of the water.
I remember the NY freaking Giants hoisting another SB trophy in within 5 years.
Stop with the damn excuses already!!!!
We need to replace the positions we know are garbage and stop waiting to see something different from players who are what they are.
We need a serious improvement at Safety and what’s currently on the roster is not good enough.
Hell, Dawk at 40 with a bad neck would be better than what we have.
I would rather the Eagles Draft Safety M Barron at #15 than DT D Poe..
I believe the Cowboys are going to grab Barron at #14 though.. I also think that Poe will be off the board by the #15 Spot as will DT Fletcher Cox and LB Kuechley most likely..
Maybe the Eagles can Trade Down from the # 15 and pick and get a late 1st Rounder and an additional 2nd Rounder from the Bengals,Patriots or even Brown who all have 2 1st Round selections
If not, I can really see them Drafting WR Michael Floyd if they are unable to trade down which I would also would be ok with..
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i heard the cowboys are gonna take poe at 14 and are trying to act like theyre not interested.. we havent even brought in a saftey .. players we brought in or visited
1. Brockers
2. Dontari Poe
3.Michael Floyd
4.Chris Rainey
5. Ryan Tannehill
6. Trumaine Johnson
7 Omar Bolden
Paul i seriously doubt the Eagles, are dumb enough to draft a WR in the 1st round with all that needs to be addressed immediately. He is over rated. They will not draft a WR, or QB, in the 1st round…..no chance.
yeah songs – we got you – if they went 8-0 and finished 8-8 you would be tired of hearing what they did at the begininng of the season – if they went 0-4 then 8-0 then 0-4 you would betired of hearing what they did in the middle of the season if they went 14-2 and lost in the first round you would be tired of hearing what they did in the regular season, if they went 9-7 and won the NCF east and got to the 2nd round of the playoffs you would find somthing else to be tired of hearing about… your a bitch – got it…
I know you imagine things and the voices in your head talk to you a lot – but please help the rest of us understand how the Eagles ‘act’ like they have addressed their weaknesses – and how NOT getting ready for the draft impacts that??? Didn’t we go hog wild in FA last year? Were you not predicting 19-0 and calling the FO the greatest?? Yeah –
And Songs – I am hoping they do draft Burflict in the fourth – then we never – ever ever again have to listen to you or the rest of the Jersey Shore crowd complain that Reid ‘reaches’ cause the dude ain’t worth a 6th, or saying ‘fastball’ and throwing in the snarky ‘small’ cause he’s fat and slow – or the term workout or combine warrior – cause we know Burflict aint gonna be bothered getting in shape to show up for camp or OTAs –
Anyone know anything about the Safety from Boise State? Heard he may be a player and be around inthe 3rd – right now the roster only has 3 safeties correct? Allen, Coleman and Jarret?
6-foot-3, 216-pound safety, George Iloka—– Paulman was listing him in his pre-combine mock drafts so I read the post combine reports where they projected him to struggle against the run and quickly lost interest – thinking that is why I hate Nate Allen because I’ve seen him get run over multiple times worse than bozworth by bo. Songs is correct they need help in the secondary at S and CB but I am O K if Howie drafts best available over need like we are being lead to believe this year and safety is not addressed because better talent at different positions were available.
5 Safeties are currently under contract with the Eagles
(Allen, Coleman,Jarrett, Colt Anderson & Tom Nelson )
Remember that COlt Anderson had a major Knee injury in December and will most likley not be ready for the beginning of the 2012 Season if at all..
Tom Neleson was signed after Anderson was hurt and played the last 2weeks as a Special Teamer
Nelson is 5-11 200lbs and is a 3 Year Veteran and played in 21 games with the CIncinnati Bengals in 2009/2010 and bounced around some Practice
Played at Illinois State in College and is from the Chicago area.. Not sure of his speed and his pass coverage skills but will be in camp and have an opportunity to see what he can do..
Thanks – E0S – funny analogy Boz and Bo –
Pman – Thanks – I don’t even bother with PE.com anymore – last practice of the season today – last game tommorrow –
I wouldn’t reach for Poe but if he is there at 15 why not take him. He is a supreme “talent” it is up to the coaching staff and leaders like Ryans and Cole to light an extra fire up his ass. Look everybody said Big Boy Down in Baltimore took plays off so we moved up and took Bunkley. Meanwhile the Ravens developed him into one of the best DT’s in the league. Same thing with that monster that the NY Giants got at DE, he was too raw or some bullshit so we took Grahm. Why are we scared to take the most talented guy. We end up with bust anyway. Mike Mamula was years ago the NFL has changed not to mention Mamula had 9 sacks year one he was 5.5 sacks year 1 and 8 year 2 with 3 FF and a TD. 31.5 sacks in 4 years are not great numbers but we have had worse picks than that. Our own expectations as fans on players alters our memories of what actually happens. If Namula comes out now he prob is in a 3-4 and successful. We have needs as a team but we should just take the best damn player avail. I don’t care if it’s Malcolm Floyd superior talent is what we need to add. You font see the giants saying oh we have DE let’s not take this Stud Pier Paul let’s take a less talented safety that won’t be here in 3 years just cause we need one. News flash Kurt Coleman didn’t cost us the season turnovers did we take better care of the ball we win. Not Kurt Colmans fault Tony’s G’s can make ballet catches with a safety draped all over him or Victor Cruz is one of the best RAC receivers in the league ask Reivis. Besides that he hits and makes plays. I’m taking the best player and letting the chips fall where they may.
i also think we should take poe if hes there becuase with the wide 9 we need a big body in the middle to take pressure off the linebackers.hes what 6’4 350 haha.. .we already have a smaller DT so it would be a good compliment
Poe is going to go to a 3-4 team, as a NT. IMHO, he doesn’t fit the scheme here. Brockers, Cox, Still (will be get-able at 15), Thompson & Worthy (will be there in the second), all fit our scheme. We will wind up with one of them.
this is supposed to be the best DT draft in a long time but none of these guys are as good as suh..
larrwd, come on! Guys like Suh come along only, once a decade, if that. You can’t compare them to him, It’s unfair to them. LOL! You never know though, several of these dudes have the make up to become good players-studs. IMHO, although they all have ??? & are raw prospects, I can see all of Brockers, Cox, Worthy, Poe & Still, becoming studs.
NuGreem, very nice!
Navy, Very Nice!
Paul (OMG can believe I am saying this) Very Nice!
DCar, thumbs up brother!
Come on what is the truth here? GCOBB if the man is being double and triple teamed then that says alot about the man as a player. So if you say you watched the tape and he didn’t do much was it was becasue half the O-line is posting him up or what? break it down brother.
Paulmans, Best Trade Scenario on Draft Day….
Eagles Trade #15 Pick and DE Darryl Tapp to the NE Pats for their #27 & 31st Picks in the First round… Pats get their stud player at #15 that they want plus a decent DE in Tapp and the Eagles get 2 late 1st ROund Selections
Eagles then Select the Following Players in the Draft
#27 – DT Kendall Reyes ( U Conn 6-4 300lbs)
#31 – LB Bobby Wagner (Utah 6-0 241lbs)
#46 – DE Vinny Curry (Marshall 6-3 265lbs )
#51 – CB Trumaine Johnson (Montana 6-2 205lbs–could move to Safety)
#88 – WR Juron Criner (Arizona 6-3 224lbs)
#114 – LB Keenan Robinson (Texas 6-3 245lbs)
#153 – TE Rhett Ellison (USC 6-5 250lbs)
#194 – FB Emil Igwenagu (U Mass 6-1 249lbs)
#200 – OT Andrew Datko (Fla State 6-6 315lbs) coming off ACL during his Senior Season and probably not ready to really contribute and play until 2013, but if not for injury, he would be a Tpp 10 OT in this Draft and could be a nice VAlue pick for a quality OT for the future..)
Some of these Players may be chosen 10 Spots or so before their current “Rankings ” on many Prospect lists.. but I target the players who are the best availalbe player, at a position of need, that fits the Eagles Schemes and are Versatile and of High Character and strong Work Ethic.
I think the Top 6 players I selected can all be very solid contributors for Eagles in a relatively short period of time… I can see LB Wagner competing for a Starter’s Spot right away at the WILL Position, DT Reyes contributing in the DT Rotation, and DE Curry contributing as a dsignated Pass-Rusher..
CB Johnson & WR Criner & LB K Robinson are more 2nd Year Contributors as they adjust and learn the NFL Game..
CB Johnson is versatile and many Scouts think he can play Safety due to his size and physicality and can defintiely contribute on Special Teams right away and WR Criner offers an upgrade over 4th WR Cooper & C Hall with his size,speed and athleticism and may be a real find in this Draft plus has some Return experience in College..
Some Scouts have compared Criner to a M Colston of the Saints when he was coming out of College, Criner doesn’t have burners ,outside speed and many project him as the “Z” or Slot/Inside Receiver in a West Coast Offense to take advatange of his size,strength, ability to break tackles and lateral quickness and his ability to make the tough catches in traffic and has the kncack of finding the open seems in coverages… Criner had 209 Catches and 32 TD Receptions while in College which are some nice numbers playing in Wide-open Pac 10 where you are matched up against Quality CB’s and Secondaries almost every week and could develop into a nice Red-Zone Target.. I think Criner can really push Avant by 2013 as the #3 WR on the Eagles and has much more athleticism and upside..
LB K Robinson I like alot for his ability to play Inside or Outside.. I think he can push for a SAM Starter position by his 2nd Year and also be a MLB if Ryans were to get injured or not play well.. Robinson has size, strength and versatility which is what the Eagles look for in their LB’s..
My TE/FB picks are players who can come in and compete as positions where the Eagles don’t have a lot of depth.. I really like this FB and my last Pick in OT A datko is strictly for long-term development at the all-important OT Postion.. datko tore his ACL early in the Senior Season at Florida State, he was projected to be a Top 8-10 OT in this Draft before his injury and probably would have been a 3rd/4th Round Pick, The Eagles can select him and get hime into their program and groom him for the future while learning from Mudd and expereinced players in front og him.. I project him more as a RT in the NFL ..
P-man , that trade would piss me off ! that would mean another 2 hours til they draft ! right when #15 is in ” we have a trade “
I think the Eagles would love to Draft DT Fletcher Cox, M Brockers or Safety Mark Barron at #15 but I think all 3 Players will be off the board making them want to trade down..
The PAts need some Pass Rushing DE’s to their Defense and I believe they are targeting Whitney Mercilus from Illinois who would be gone by their #27 Pick
The Pats have 2 2nd Round picks and 2 3rd Round Picks, so they can afford to trade both their 27 & 31 to get the pass rushing DE’s that they really like.. The Eagles trading their #15 and DE D Tapp to the Patriots upgrades the Pats DE position in a hurry and epecially sinec the Pats lost 20 Sacks from last years DE’s with Mark Anderson leaving in Free-Agnecy and Andre Carter tearing up his ACL in a playoffs making him most unlikley to play in 2012 after surgery and rehabbing… This Draft is not real deep in DE’s and the Pats have to address this position and would be the best Team to move up with the Eagles for them to get a Young proming DE in Mercilus and a prevoen Veteran which Belichek likes in D Tapp…
**NFL News
Seahawks sign Free-Agent LB Barret Rudd
Bengals sign Guard Jacob Bell
Raiders sign DE Dave Tollefson from the Giants
Paulman nice post, That would be a pretty good trade for both us and the PAts…however, I just can’t see us trading back this year from that 1st pick since we already have the 2 picks in the 2nd round. IN my opinion, I think the Birds FO is pretty happy with this defensive personal and feel like all they need is 1-2 impact players on that side of the ball to be a great defense in the league (I personally think we need 1 stud player on each level of the defense to get there DT, OLB, S). SO either I think they will stay at 15 and select their best rated Defensive player overall available or they will trade up to pick F.Cox.
Your trade could still work though since they wouldn’t be trading out of the 1st round (no way they do that)…I like the linebackers and corner you chose. Im not a big fan of the DT or Curry. I know V.Curry is an exact prototype DE Reid likes but then isn’t that a reason they shouldn’t draft him since those fastballs have done nothing on the NFL…
My draft would be something like
1:Barron
2:Zach Brown
2:B. Thompson
3:Trumaine Johnson (or B. Boykin-would save Djax from extra hits on returns)
4: Keenan Robinson
4: Ladarius Green (i think he will be the best TE in the draft looking back 3 years from now…would be a perfect compliment to Celek)
5: Burfict (Honestly if he is on the board here, I take him. Not risking anything and Ryans is a leader we have been missing for a long time that can maybe get this psycho motivated)
Then go OL with all those 6th rounders for some depth.
I think once you get to the Mid 1st Round, that the talent level and upside to about the 40th Selection is very narrow if at all… If the Eagles with my trade Scenario can get 4 Selections from #27 thru #51, than they would be strengthening this team big time in short-term and long-term…
I believe the Top 14 Picks will do something like this
#1) Colts – QB A Luck
#2) Redksins- QB RG III
#3) Vikings – OT M Kalil
#4) Browns – RB T Richardson
#5) TB Bucs – CB M Claiborne
#6) SL Rams – WR J Blackmon
#7) Jaguars – DE Q Coples
#8) Dolphins – QB R Tannehill
#9) Panthers – DT M Brockers
#10) Bills – OT R Reiff
#11) Chiefs – DT Fletcher Cox
#12)Seahawks – MLB Luke Kuechley
#13) Carrdinals – DT Dontari Poe
#14) Cowboys – SS Mark Barron
#15) EAGLES – ????
The next 10 Top Rated Players on the Board in no particular order are
WR M FLoyd, OLB Melvin Ingram, CB Stephon Gilmore, Guard D DeCastro
CB Dre Kirkpatrick, DE Whitney Mercilus, OLB C Upshaw, DE N Perry
OL Gordy Glenn, OT J Martin
One thing we do know which occurs every Draft are some Top Rated Players drop for whatever reason, that Trades occur and a Team or 2 will select a surprise player who was not Rated very highly by most Draft Experts. (the Jaguars,Bills and Chargers have a history of selecting surprise picks that no one saw coming) which of course effects makes some bigger name players drop further in the Draft..
2-3 Players I see who are possibly dropping out of the Top #15-#20 Selections are players like OT R Reiff, OLB M Ingram, OLB C Upshaw and OT J Martin, DT D Still , CB Dre Kirkpatrick
Suprise players who may find themselves going in the 1st Round could be players could be players like DT Kendall Reyes, DE Chandler Jones, TE Coby Fleener, RB David Wilson, CB Janoris Jenkins,LB Zach Brown, RB Lamar Miller
To Pheags,
I like your picks, but do remember that the Eagles presently only have 1 4th Round Selection now ,after the Trade to the Texans for LB Ryans..
My bad, I would probably take Ladarius Green over K. Robinson then…due to hopefully drafting a guy like Brown high and after the addition of Ryans. I think having that big fast TE would do wonders for Vick who could benefit from having the big target to throw at when he faces pressure. When you look around the league and see these ridiculous TEs dominating defenses it makes you realize how unstoppable they can be. I think Green could be that guy. Almost like adding another WR. I also forgot to add a QB. I think they draft one
I really like TE L Green as well, I am just not sold that Coach AR/MM value the TE positon enough to take one that early for I believe they feel pretty good with the current tandem of Celek & Harbor who I feel will make a nice step forward after having his 1st real full off-season as an Eagle.. I do think Green will be a beast in the NFL in about 2 years time for someone, just don’t think the Eagkes will grab him there.. I think they will sign an undrafted QB we never heard of to bring to camp, but I think the Eagles want to geet as many reps for Vick, Edwards and Kafka for SUmmer Camp and probably have more of a short-term though process about QB since they are all under the gun so to speak instead of looking 2-3-4 years down the road at the QB position
I think with all the talent the Eagles have on the defensive front line as well with the Wide 9 scheme, you have to look at Poe. His size alone makes him worth a look but when you throw in his athleticism you have to consider what it would take to make it work with this kid. Demeco Ryans will need protection at MLB and like Gnata does for Ray Lewis Poe can do for Ryans.
On a side note, the fact that they had Poe in the facility and were really not trying to publicize this visit leads me to believe they have serious interest in Poe. We’ve been so busy talking about Tannahill and others because Reid and crew made public visits that the possibility of Poe slipped right buy until now. Washburn even tried to crack a joke about it when he was caught: “You guys all know Fletcher Cox right?” If Poe is still there at 15 (that is if the Eagles don’t move up to get him) I think He’s our #1 selection.
Cobb your nutz, I don’t want to hear this ” I don’t want to draft a guy etc……” YOUR WRONG!!!!!!!! I want this guy. We can’t stop the run dude do you understand that……. WE CAN’T STOP THE RUN. This guy is fast strong and big and we have the coach in place that can motavate this kid( not Juan, Washburn) So with that being said stop with the none sense, and I don’t want to hear this he’s perfect for the 3-4 crap either
IF a stud DT or someone like SS Mark Barron somehow slips to #20/21 (850/800 trade value points), I would deal both 2nd round picks (830 trade value points to move back into round 1 to come out of day one with 2 impact defensive players.