What you see is what you get with Nick Foles. This young man is very big, bright and disciplined but he’s not the most gifted of NFL quarterbacks. He can play the position at the NFL level and he can help you win some games, but there’s no way you can decipher right now whether he can help you win it all.
Foles needs to quicken his delivery and continue to work on his speed, strength and quickness. He’s shown that he’s willing to put the hours, days, months and years of work to be as good as possible. The young man is a project of sorts, who will take at least a year or two of development before he reaches his zenith.
The former Arizona quarterback has the size and smarts to be a starting NFL quarterback, but he needs to strengthen his arm, develop more quickness in his feet and undergo the experiences of figuring out coverages at the line of scrimmage then making tough throws under pressure while a tough pass rush is in his face.
The big question which must be answered concerning Foles is how long will he have to make those improvements here in Philadelphia. The fact that he wasn’t a number one pick will probably give him less time to prove himself, but the answer to that key question about how much time he will get, will have a lot to do with who the next coach of the Eagles will be.
In addition the answer to the question about whether they’ll be able to get their hands on a better option at the quarterback position will factor into his future.
If Chip Kelly is the guy, I have no idea who he will want at the quarterback position but there’s a good chance he’ll want somebody quicker and faster than Foles. Michael Vick might be a more attractive option for Kelly than Foles.
If the Eagles next head coach runs a standard NFL offense, Foles will probably get the chance to show what he can do. Right now Foles must focus on what he can control, which is his play on the field. In the near future, he had better be ready for the ups and downs of playing quarterback in the NFL.
If Chip Kelly comes to the Eagles,
They won’t win more than 4 games a Season regardless of who the QB is and would be a terrible hire.. The Eagles would become even “Smaller and Faster” than they have been under the Coach Reid
This Franchise and Team needs a Discplinarian,who will bring basic,sound,fundamental and PHysical Football back to the Eagles.. not more gadet plays, 5 Set WR’s formations who rely of 3-4 Play Drives instead of controlling the clock and the line of scrimmage with a more balanced approach… No Chip Kelly
Chip Kelly WOULD NOT energize this member of the fan base!
On Nick Foles,
He has potential but needs a strong Offensive Line in front of him (as most QB’s do) and a Balanced Offensive Philosophy where the Eagles need to feature the Run Game as many of us have wanted for a coupld of seasons now…. With McCoy & Brown and utlizing Play-action, where Foles is dropping back 25 Times a Game instead of 40 Times a game, I see no reason why the Eagles and FOles can’t be succesful again on the Offensive end and more consistent and stay out of negative plays and turnovers as they have been with the reckless Vick the last 2 Seasons. Play smarter,fundamental Football which may be boring for some fans instead of trying to make a big play or score on every play. But this Wins in the NFL and at least gives your Team a chance to steal a few games as the Young QB inproves and also allows much needed rest for a young Defense which most likely the Eagles will have over the next couple of Seasons
@paulman I have a question for you. Do you think that you and all other fans are smart and Chip Kelly is stupid? Do you think Chip Kelly doesnt know the same things we know? Do you think he doesnt know the NFL is different or just everyone else knows? Do you think he wouldnt know to adjust to the situation? Honestly isnt that a real possibility? Do you really think he is gonna have a bunch on pee wee players try to run his offense? I would think he knows this already dont you?
that is more than a question? LOL
I will on behalf of disgruntled Eagles Fans with this gimmicky, dink & dunk and small but fast players, if Chip Kelly is Hired, I will agree to meet him at the Airport and eliminate him before coming down the Stairs of the Plane.
I am serious and willing to do time if necessary..
I rather the Franchise move to Los Angeles than hire Chip Kelly
gross joke or not to say this at this time.
I think Chip Kelly is an excellent College COach and his style of gimmicky Offense is not a good fit for the PHiladelphia Eagles..
It may work in warmer climate, dome team stadiums,, Perhaps Arizona in the Desert where you canwear a Defense down faster with his hectic pace of play
I (and many Fans) want the Eagles to return to a more physical, fundamental and sound style of Football , We just had 14 Years of Coach AR & MM Schemes and Gimmicks and Gadget Football and I and many others are tired and sick of it.. It’s time to get bigger and tougher and I don’t see this philosophy in Coach Kelly’s background..
I do think that some Coaches (AR being one of them) are the Type who believe that they always have to “outsmart” their opponenets where most of the time ist’s a matter of out-executing your opponent.. .Coach AR never understood this enough and spent way too much time and energy on being “clever and outsmarting his opponents week in and week out” instead of fundamentals and out working and out executing your opponents which is what the legitimate Super Bowl Contendors Teams and Coaching Staffs do ..
I am afraid that Chip Kelly is in the same mold where he will be out to prove to everyone this his genius system with work in the NFL , whcih maybe it will. but try ot first in Arizona, or San Diego first …
Im not discounting what you say. I want a bigger and tougher team also. But Im also realistic and trying to find a silver lining in all reports. By fans keep talking about and posting about these defensive coaches by all reports it ISNT HAPPENING! We are not getting a 49ers or Seattle type of team no matter what we want. So I prepare myself now for the inevitable. So when early next year its announced that so and so is the next coach of the Eagles I dont act like I didnt know it was coming. I hope Im wrong.
They’ll get an offensive guy. I dont think there gonna go a college guy,unless Saban wows them and they even thought about him. Im thinking accomplished o-cord.
Foles needs to get thicker and build his body up. Similiar to how Matt Ryan has developed. He’s already proven he tough and can take hits that Vick was dizzy’d from. So thats a plus. Build some muscle for the long season.
With a locked and loaded offense and o-line back to health, a new coach will find the Philly gig very appealing. Maybe they do take the big tackle first round. Theres 2-3 top shelf defenders in the first half of the draft. The defense is in dire need of another playmaker.Or a playmaker…considering theres zero now.
Odds on a pick or strip fumble before the seasons over? Better chance of a reindeer taken a handoff Sunday.
@Erock we got a couple strip fumbles last week. No chance on the picks though lol
It looks like I will be busy at the Airport picking off these Gadget-Small but Fast-Pass Happy HC’s one by one, until Lurie has to Hire a Defensive Coach
just trash
gus bradley or vic fangio please
Chip Kelly may be pulling a Pete Carroll and skipping town before the sanctions hit:
the NCAA is investigating Oregon for paying a Texas recruiting service which landed a player under suspicious dealings.
Until Nick Foles proves he can throw the ball in Cold weather successfully, Mike Vick is might still be the number one option next year
what are you talking about? throw in cold weather? that continues to be some of the idiocy people say on here. cold weather?
guilty, I’m the idiot who initially who wrote it
he has yet to prove he can spin it through cold weather
Foles was awful last week and he has two cold games to prove his arm can handle December weather
there is “Zero” chance in the Hell that Mike Vick is an Eagle in 2013
No Way, No How
There will not be enough games to judge him this year which means that it would tough to go into next season with him as the starter. That being said, i don’t like any of the QBs coming out at the pick that they probably go.
Vick ain’t coming back. They are not going to pay him that much money.
Kelly is pulling a Calipari.
Some of you are delusional, grasping at straws, Vick coming back, not a chance, give it up, some funny stuff here though, now the litmus test is cold weather, you will hear just about anything here, some good entertainment
my eyes saw Foles throw a few ducks last week
that happens and it wasn’t cold! too funny
42 degrees and I saw Eskin in a fur coat behind big red
LMAO…Funny shyt ever right
Foles is an Andy Reid type quarterback but Andy Reid isnt going to be here. Positively, we will get a couch with a little more defensive toughness and a coach that will run the ball more. The whole philosophy of the team is going to change. Its important Foles looks amazing these last 2 games, if not, anything can happen..
Ummmm. No.
Andy Reid:
Draft McNabb #1 Mobile. Athletic.
FA Garcia. Mobile. Athletic
FA Vick: Mobile. Athletic
Reid has always favoured the mobile Qbs over the pocket passers, and has had most of his “success” with guys who run around.
Everybody is counting Mike’s money..????? he’s not worth this not worth that….
For what ..why do we/you care what he’s being paid ? If they need
Mike to resrtucture his pay check to address other needs it’ll be done without any problems..QB’s are the most overpaid out of all 22 positions so of course his salary is high
most of the leagues starting QB’s not on their rookie deals are being paid 10+ mill year…
the market determines value not us, not coaches, not even players themselves…
Remember Kolb got 10 mill guaranteed from the Eagles the turned around and got 20 mill from the Cardinals ???
I care about the percentage of the salary cap that he gets paid. Don’t try to make this an us vs. them conversation, because that is not what this is about. It is the fact that he is due to earn a pretty large portion of the cap, and I don’t think that he is worth that at this point in his career.
You say that he will re-structure as if it is a done deal. I am not so sure on that one. But even if he was, he is too much of an injury risk for me going forward.
I disagree, He could never get the pocket passer he wanted. So he went with the best available.
Andy was told to draft McNabb and told to start.Vick, andy wanted Kolb, and foles, you will never get the truth, this truth from lurie or Reid, they are bull shit artists, but lurie makes decisions about who the quarterback is, if a he’s a high profile quarterback, after they were shot, and to McNabb was shot when he got here because he’s ballless, lurie let Ani promise youdy have his way with Kolb until the next quarterback lurie wanted in Philly Vick , now Vick shot and now we see foles, I promise you won’t see him for long, he’s not luries quarterback
I dont know, I like Foles size. He has 2 games left to show more and for us to analyze him. We still need another big receiver.
Jake i have no clue how you come to that conclusion that Lurie told Andy to start Vick. I think Kolbs play and Vick play let him make that decision. I have to call bs on your theory.
So you think Foles is outta here after one year?Dunno bro.I think hes the starter in 13′ regardless of the coach. Hes gonna bust his butt to get better and come to camp next year determined to be a top shelf qb. I like the dudes game. Needs to get bigger and tighten that release. Reads defenses pretty well for a pup. Handles pressure and isnt fragileee.
We can speculate all we want but we won’t know who the QB will be in 13 until we find out who’s running the show. Pretty sure Vick will be a Jet. If Andy somehow is still here then Foles is the QB if he’s fired who the hell knows what’s next. Question everybody if you take the Eagles HC job do you make Foles the starter.?
Andy is ghost…book it…lock it up…seal it and send it to L.A.
Erock I agree Vick was playing out his arze at the time, but Kolb was Reid hand picked successor. Reid made the most abrupt change, going from an arrogant stance that 4 was the starter to the next day apologetically saying Vick is the starter. Laurie. He told Reid who to start lurie will not give foles any time to develop. He wants a different qb. The new coach will go with someone other than foles unless foles shows manning esque ballin the next two games
That was Reid deflecting the questions to me,noone knows. He flat out said Vicks play is the reason he was the starter. But its over and baby arm(always loved that nickname) is gone. Vicks on his way out(great redemption story,but thanks for zilch).
I dunno bro. The next coach may be intrigued by Foles,may wanna work with him and improve his game. This team,with a defensive draft and improved o-line(healthy),is ready to win some games. You have an all pro back to take the pressure off the kid.
Byrd in FA…safety from Bills. Tell Nmandi to move to other safety or hes gone. Take a pay cut or your done.
Finley in FA?
As much as we want a big wide-out i dont think is coming this year. New coach may do something very outlandish in the redzone…its a dynamic way of scoring…its odd….yet very simple to execute….its called…running the ball. Your running back basically uses is all world moves and powerful legs to get 2-3 yards. You can also get 4-5 if you establish it early in a season. You know…work it into the gameplan.
Goodbye Walrus….CABS HERE!!!
Got to ask if anyone else find humor in the irony that Reid spent years trying to turn two “running QBs” in to a high accuracy pocket QB for his pass every down possible offense only to finally get one that has a legitimate chance to be that QB but won’t be his coach for more than part of a season?
I am a Foles fan and I think there’s a very good chance he could be a very good Eagles QB for many years. That been said, It’s very unlikely that Foles will have a “break-out” game before the end of the season making it easier for a decision coming next year for several very good reasons. The O line is still very limited in talent. His best WR is a #2 @ best and is one of the worst RAC receivers in the NFL. The team & Foles has had only a handful of games practicing with what the Eagles have closest to “starters” or 1s. The coaches can’t have more than 1 balanced offensive game per season which has already happened. The offense play calling is the worst in the NFL and pathetically predictable.
How can a rookie with all that stacked up against them possibly have a game so impressive that anyone would “know” he “should be” the starter for next year by any coach named this spring?.
Why would Vick want to come back to a 4 win team that will be rebuilding for ghe next 3-4 years? Why would he want to play in a city thats destined to never win a Super Bowl? I hope Vick is gone and Foles will Fold next year. GO JETS
Vick will be on the Jets. you know a bad team that has at least WON A SUPERBOWL LOL NICK FOLES BREAK A LEG. LITERALLY.
Erock you show some much needed balance here, keep posting with your perspective , time will tell with foles, I like his presence, pocket awareness, but as a third round pick he needs to show more sooner than later, we will see, but if you are foles there is a lot of pressure, we will see what he has
And exactly with that big walrus, how could any coach command the respect of his huddles, looking like he does, it has been a joke for 14 years, I am the egg man, I am the egg man I am the walrus, koo, koo KA chu
Because Vick won’t see $20 Miilion a Season ever again which womd be reason he wants to stay, even the stupid Jets wouldn’t pay him half that amount
Or any other Franchise, someone will grab him (Cardinals/Jets/Bills) but not with his Current Contract level)
Eagles will Draft OT Joeckel, a DT, a Safety and CB in the early Rounds
And become more if a Ball-Control Offense with Foles and Edwards being the Back-up and build from there with their new Coaching Staff
It’s not Rocket Science on what needs to be done with Eagles to become competitive again
Personally I’d rather see Vick go someplace else and laugh at this ass of an organization like Asante did. Vick will go to a team with a committed running game and that team will be better than what Reid and Howie put together.
paste it.
You guys are going to get exactly what you’ve been looking for…so get your paper bags ready.
You’re 100%correct Songs, I agree buddy. Asante’s laughing his arse off at us now. Howie and Andy need to go.
Coaching changes everything!
I am hopeful a new solid traditional football based coaching staff will turn things around. Unfortunately I see the following from the coward Lurie:
Andy Reid moves to President.
Marty M Promoted to HC
If Pat shurmer is out in cleveland he is OC if not Peterson promoted.
Bowles returns as DC a new Dline coach is hired.
Juan is asked back as OLine coach.
Foles must start next year. He has shown he is as good or better than the bottom third of the leagues QB’s hopefully another year and hopefully a new coaching philosophy and staff takes him to the top third and beyond.
I believe the kid thinks a good game and that is a huge advantage moving forward.
The sick part is that if the above happens and we all revolt but the birds win 3 of 4 games to start the year Lurie knows we will all come back.
NO to running QB’s.
Hey I got this great Idea= lets take our highest paid player and the focus of our team and intentionally have him get crushed 16+ games per year as he ages and becomes less quick, less limber, and recovery time increases as his salary increases disproportionate to the increase in missed games.
NO Thanks Chip Kelly must stay away or he must change his style.
Can we please give the ball to running backs who are easier to replace than QB’s….Please…
Can we get passes to receivers in stride..seeing some more of that for a change. We do need a big receiver. We also need a Heath Miller type TE to pair with Celek
So let’s get this right…….
our talent evaluation sucked for at least on the defensive side the majority of the time Reid have been here…..he sucked with receivers when the team had the defense in place with the core group he inherited by Rhodes.
He eventually parlayed that into backbiting the Talent Evaluators while surrounding himself by yes men.
His sons were living wrecks and one tried to smuggle heroin into jail..the same eventually died of a drug overdose with a defibrillator found next to him at the training camp on campus….surrounded by young kids…he was loaded with syringes and steroids while working in the strength and conditioning department.
And we’re supposed to feel sorry for Andy Reid and give him an ovation?
We didn’t win because of Reid…We won in spite of him apparently many of those flaws are not mentioned in this post.
Farewell…and don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
fat bastard
Regal…stop sniffing the glue dude.
We’ve been hoping for years..Go back to the old Bobby Hoying articles….or better yet the Kevin Kolb Era is here articles.
Switch the name to Foles….there’s nothing to see here.
We might as well cheer for the Redskins for years to come…This organization is sick from the head down and when the brain is sick the body fails.
Roseman is running things now.
Feel confident now?
what that do for your hopes?
Haha songs, you are a funny man, and you will always be aces in my book for being responsible for the departureof the biggest blowhard in the history of gcobb
I got this from a website. Im sorry if I offend anyone and they have watched game film on Nick Foles while he was in college. These proffessionals did. If you did watch gamefilm on Foles please let us know so if you dispute any of these analyst you have merit. If you didnt look at years of game film you really cant dispute anything that is being said. Now that we’ve gotten a six-game look at Nick Foles, we have an idea of what he does well and what he needs to work on.
But sometimes, it’s fun to look back.
Below is a roundup of what some analysts had to say about Foles during the draft process last year.
ESPN’s Mel Kiper:
“Has solid mechanics and throws on the move effectively. You can’t argue with the arm strength and size. But he’s not as accurate as you’d like.”
Kiper’s analysis seems pretty accurate, based on what we’ve seen so far. Foles’ best throws have come on the move. But he’s certainly been off-target at times and has completed just 59.4 percent of his attempts.
ESPN’s Todd McShay:
“I spend a lot of time looking at them under pressure. Those are the throws you have to make in the NFL. That’s what separates the good from the great, and sometimes separates whether you can be a starter or not at the next level and win consistently. I have been impressed with Nick Foles in that regard. Doesn’t move very well and while he was underwhelming at the Senior Bowl, I do think that he is a little bit better than maybe what the public opinion is now. He really handles pressure well and knows where to go with the ball.”
For the most part, that seems fair too. Foles’ best performance so far came in the Bucs game. He was under constant pressure, but did a good jog of creating “functional space” when the pocket broke down.
Greg Cosell of NFL Films:
Arm speed slow at this point. Negative impact on velocity. Did not drive the ball on few intermediate throws or sideline throws. Once in a while saw an NFL throw with anticipation + some snap. Major projection based on skill set evaluation + mental acumen.
Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg have talked about some of the things Cosell mentioned. Specifically, they’ve pointed out that arm strength is not Foles’ issue. It’s more footwork and mechanics.
Rob Rang of CBSSports.com talked to a couple people at Foles’ Pro Day:
“He was average,” one talent evaluator said. “Don’t get me wrong, he wasn’t bad and the weather didn’t help but he didn’t drive the ball like you’d expect a quarterback of his size to and he has only average accuracy once you get past 15 yards, so I can’t imagine that anyone is raising his grade based on what they saw Monday.”
Another source wasn’t quite as careful with his wording.
“[Foles] was terrible. He couldn’t throw a spiral. Obviously, the weather conditions played a part in that but in reality, it only accentuated that he couldn’t throw a spiral”.
Lacks a really strong arm. Can’t drive the ball down the field and does not throw a really tight spiral. System-type player who can get exposed if he must ad-lib and do things on his own—-scouting report of ….. TOM BRADY!
Lacks the big arm and cannot drive the ball downfield… Eli Manning.The Bad: Needs to improve his footwork, release and does not throw the tightest spirals. Big Ben–
damn brady, ben and eli–i think that encompasses 7 of the last 9 SB’s- hopefully Foles loose spirals, poor arm strenth as reported on a college scouting report translate favorably!
Good job daggolden, from these reports we have seen a little bit of each, what bothers me is nobody wants to say anything definitive. Just a few bunch of I don’t knows not what you want to read about the QB of the future.
you can’t know about what a QB will look like in the future…not foles, not anyone. as i’ve proven above a young kids scouting report doesn’t mean a whole lot.
Pros: He has the strongest arm in NFL history, he’s got pretty good speed and he’s 6’7″ and weighs like 270 pounds. Russell also has very good accuracy completing 68 percent of his passes. He threw 30 touchdowns in the SEC which is the toughest conference in the NCAA—-jemarcus russell–
Big, strong arm—david klingler.
Klinger was never considered a QB Prospect with a Big NFL arm.
He was a Run and Shoot QB, who sprayed the ball out to 4-5 Receivers on 10-20 yard slants, hook & go’s , etc.etc..
Russell didn’t have the Heart or Work Ethic to become a NFL QB..
Got his big signing Bonus and became fat,lethargic and lost focus as many immature Young men do when they signed their Rookie Deals adn expecially when the Bonus/Guaranteed $$ was crazt under the previous CBA
this is what the scouting report i found said… the bengals believed it enough to draft him #6!
I’m just pointing to the anti-foles chatter that he doesn’t have a huge arm– which isn’t really true– its a footwork issue, similiar to what Eli had
— these college draft things nit pick and have to say something about a weakeness…real or perceived
Anyone who watched Klinger down at University of Houston, knew he did not have a Big NFL Arm.. Kolb played in the same system and put up strong Stat’s too playing in that run & shoot system and actually was very similar to Klinger in arm strength which again, I would think most observors would deem their Arm Strength as “Average at Best” but defintiely not “Strong” .. Maybe you need better Sources/Reports
to read.
Anyone whostated that COlt McCoy, Jimmy Claussen,Brady Quinn’s as having NFL Arms was wrong too and you don’t need to watch muc tape on any of these guys to make that determination..
I believe that Matt Barkley falls into this same category and would stay away from him with an early Round Pick to the Teams that are looking looking for a “Franchise QB” like the Cardinals,Chiefs,Jets,BIlls or Raiders
dick head i’m pointing out that scouting reports mean nothing. of course klingler sucked. i’m not arguing for klinger, manning, russell or anyone– i’m saying to disregard the scouting reports on foles. let him play this year and next and make a judgement.
Chip Kelly is going to be the next coach here. Book it! Not saying I’m in agreement, but I can see the future, and the future tells me so (like paulman).
You guys do realize that the Seahawks run a run based, spread offense! Seems to be working pretty well in Sea right now. If you guys think he’s coming to the nfl to run the same offense at Oregon you’re idiots. If you and I can see it, don’t you think this guy can. Chip Kelly is going to love the personnel here in Philly. He will be the birds next coach.
i’m warming more to him coming here and you are correct he will adapt his offense. there is no way he’d run the exact same thing– NFL is a copy cat league and the spread or versions of it are popping up all over the place- even brady’s hurry up has some components of it.
Debate is good its what seperates us individually. Theres some of us who like to project. Nick Foles, Arizona
Height: 6-5. Weight: 243.
40 Time: 5.14.
Arm: 33. Hand: 10 5/8.
Projected Round (2012): 3-5.
4/24/12: Foles has the physical tools but didn’t cause any fervor
at the Senior Bowl or Combine. He is firmly behind Luck, RGIII, Tannehill; Weeden, Cousins and Osweiler. In other words we got the 7th rated QB in 2012 draft.
Foles was a warrior in 2011 as he had to carry his team to keep them
competitive in games. Arizona’s defense was terrible, and he had the pressure of
having to get into shootouts on a weekly basis. Foles completed 69 percent of
his passes for 4,334 yards with 28 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He is a
big-armed pocket passer.
Early in the season, Foles was doing a good job
of avoiding turnovers, but late in the year, he threw a bunch of interceptions.
One of the reasons for the interceptions is Foles’ inclination to lock on to one
receiver and not make progressions through his different reads. Foles’ field
vision will need work and that is the big detriment to his game.
Foles’ completion
percentage is inflated by the number of short-swing passes he threw. In order to
improve as a prospect, Foles needs to become more accurate in the intermediate
and deep part of the field. There were times where he was bailed out on throws
by wide receiver Juron Criner.
Foles has the arm and pocket presence to
become a starting quarterback in the NFL. He’ll need more developmental practice
time compared to the top-six signal callers in the draft. Foles needs to work
on going through his progressions and finding an open receiver. He has the
tendency to only look at one side of the field. Foles needs to increase his
touchdowns and decrease his interceptions to improve his status. There is not 1 team in the NFL that would trade for Foles and hes the starting QB for my Philadelphia Eagles.
If we got the 7th ranked QB by those rankings then it kinda kills your argument since a lower ranked Russell Wilson is playing up there with the top ranked guys. It is all projection and to be quite honest those college analysts are full of shit. We really have to wait close to 2 years to see how this plays out.
Cigar you listed all the cons for Eli, Ben and Brady but what were their good points? Daggolden listed Foles entire scouting report. I get your point but remember Brady was a once in a lifetime find as a 6th rounder. Eli and Ben were first rounders even with the negatives you listed.
of course i was just pointing out that a college combine scouting report is going to point that stuff out and its not the end of the world– which people (pro-vick) are trying to nit pick foles weaknesses–
the intangibles tend to be what makes or breaks a qb at this level. it seems as tho foles has some good intangibles– but time will tell on them.
That’s a pretty good scouting report, this quarterback is worth developing