Eagles’ head coach Chip Kelly spoke with WIP, and spoke about quarterback Michael Vick.
“The one thing I think with a quarterback is they get too much blame when things don’t go well and they get too much praise when things do go well,” Kelly said. “But which Michael Vick do you have? The guy in 2010 who is the comeback player of the year and is running all over the field making great decisions? A lot of that because he’s clean in protection, he’s not getting hit immediately after he’s getting the snap. The one thing, when I watched the film and I saw Michael last year, you just kind of almost felt bad for him, is you lost four lineman to season ending injuries.”
Guess again, Chip.
Look, we’ve been through this nauseating argument countless times. Yes, the offensive line (as well as Andy Reid’s pass-first playcalling) certainly played a role in how Vick performed in 2012. Anytime you lose multiple starters for the majority of the season, it’s going have an impact in all aspects of your offense.
But what’s Kelly’s excuse for Vick in 2011 when he performed just as poorly behind an offensive line that had Jason Peters, Todd Herremans, Evan Mathis, and Jason Kelce all healthy and performing at high levels? Or for his similar struggles throughout his Atlanta career?
Kelly is just the latest sucker coach to become infatuated with the physical talent of Michael Vick. Many NFL coaches from Dan Reeves to Andy Reid have tried their hardest to get Vick to sustain high levels of play, and none have succeeded. You can’t coach a player who is already well into their 30’s out of bad habits that they’ve carried with them throughout their entire career.
Kelly points to Vick’s success in 2010, and believes that the quarterback we saw that year is the real Michael Vick, and the Vick we’ve seen every other year of career must be a product of poor coaching, poor offensive line play, poor wide receivers, and poor (insert excuse here). But it’s never Vick’s fault, right?
What Kelly needs to understand is that 2010 was the exception, not rule, for Michael Vick. At that point in his career, the NFL had considered Vick an afterthought. The veteran hadn’t started a game in nearly four years, and after garnering little trade interest in the previous off-season, teams had practically written him off. When Vick took over for Kevin Kolb, he caught the league off guard. It took the league some time to figure out ways to defend him, as well as account for the rest of the Eagles’ weapons (which at the time, DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, and LeSean McCoy were all still very new to the NFL, and defensive coordinators were still looking for the best ways to neutralize them). It was the perfect storm for Vick, and for a couple of months he enjoyed the most successful run of his career.
But even by the end of that season, defenses began to figure him out again. Vick finished that season with at least one turnover in each of his final six games (including the playoff loss to Green Bay), and the quarterback never made the adjustments to counter what defenses were throwing at him, turning the ball over 16 times in 13 games during the 2011 season.
Oh and here’s the other thing about 2010, Chip. It was three years ago. Vick’s body is no longer in his late 20’s like he was then, and it becomes harder and harder for any player to that takes on a physical grind like the NFL every year to keep up with the rest of the sport. Vick’s elite speed that he had back then is gone. Defensive lineman were catching up to him and running him down last year. As the body gets older, more and more it goes into a decline, making the idea of him recapturing his 2010 form even more unlikely.
There’s no question that a stronger offensive line can only help, but erratic play is undeniably a part of Michael Vick’s game, and it’s not going to go away no matter who is blocking for him or who is coaching him. Vick is what he is: a gifted athlete with admirable toughness, but at the same time is also his own worst enemy through his lack of focus. There has always been, and will always be, a limit to how far he can take a team.
Kelly is delusional if he truly believes that he’s going to be the one that saves Vick.
Denny Basens is the editor of GCobb.com. Email him at dbasens@ycp.edu
All I would ask is that Chip Kelly watch tape of the 2011 Season when the OL
Was healthy for the entire Season then he can give his “True”
Anaylysis to the Media of QB Mike Vick’s Play..
Stop naming excuses for the man, he makes enough for himself as it is..
Did Colts Andrew Luck pkay behind a good, heathly OL last Season
Do the Redskins or Giants QB’s not have Injury Issues last Season
at the OL Positions..
I have liked everything Kelly has said so far except this about Vick, he is too smart to believe this to be true…
In other news I am just happy we dont have Andy and his dumb ass jokes here, the guy was talking about Tommy Bahama shirts for 20 minutes yesterday, that guys lost it and will fail IN KC
I bet you a “Hawaiin Shirt” of your choice Henski that AR wins more Games in 2013 with the Chiefs than Kelly does with the Eagles and that the Chiefs make the Playoffs before the Eagles do….
no im good on that. andy walked in to a stout defense and a good offense except at the qb spot. chip walked into a total pile of shit. ill take chip record the next 5 years over andys though.
and i would never put a bet on a mike vick led team ever.
I heard the interview. It wasn’t like Kelly was praising Vick the responses in context were to questions like how do you bring a guy like Vick back after his awful performance, he more or less offered the only defense he could
Vick will not be the starter, the Barkley pick, while not smart in my view, shows his hand a little bit about where the future upside at qb is, and it’s not vick
Wow,,,,, more and more ignorantly selective folk…look at it from a different perspective. Eagles wanted a young QB….in particular Kelly wanted a young QB, that he had a hand in selecting…I dont see this as bad for Vick, in my opinion its the same plan in regards to Vick the Eagles had when they restructured his deal..his play this season will determine his future with the Eagles. If anything this looks bad for Foles. I’m not saying a player is better than the other in regards to Barkley and Foles…But when a coach drafts a QB when your supposed to have your “QB of the future, Foles” as many suggest that is not a good sign for that franchise QB.
Here we go, now Chip is an idiot again because he believes Vick will flourish in his system. But he was a genius three days ago for drafting Matt Barkley. LOL Denny and everyone else do you honestly believe he hasn’t watched the 2011 games? I mean come on people. If you don’t like Vick the person or QB there is nothing wrong with that just don’t think everyone shares your opinion or is an idiot for thinking otherwise. This guy has to be the most polarizing player in NFL history.
haha…exactly BigL…I think Kelly saw the tapes, and asked himself and said to himself the following:
“WTF is this bullshit?”
“that is not pass protection”
“why are the receivers running 40 yards down field when the QB only has 2 seconds to throw”
“what kind of protection is that?”
“Oh my god they could of got him killed on that play”
Then he watched the tape on Foles:
“Coaches are doing a much better job with play calling and protection for the young man”
“yes, that what you do run the ball, mix it up”
“if they called the same game plan as they did with Vick, Foles wouldn’t of survived his first start”
If he hasn’t watched them, then he hasn’t been doing his job…my question is simple and not unreasonable, yet it goes unanswered and seems to be constantly overlooked…why is there no explanation of why Vick played just as poorly in 2011 with Peters, Herremans, Mathis, and Kelce all healthy and playing well?
because vick is a hero to some guys denny because those guys paid so much for his jersey and bobble heads and his pom poms and they wear prescription contacts/glasses that are 10 years outdated is my guess.
Denny have you considered he has looked at them and maybe just maybe he saw that those guys didn’t play all that well. See it’s easy to look at a QB’s stats and say he played terrible in 2011 but did you sit and watch and break down what went wrong during those plays? I bet you Kelly and his staff has.
This period was the intial Howard Mudd era, in which he needed smaller more athletic lineman. The running game florished, however there were new components added to the equation, i.e Mathis, and rookies Kelce and Watkins. These guys were not given a good opportunity to jell together. Running left (Peters AND Herremanns) was there any time!
I’m GLAD Kelly stepped up to defend Vick. When Reid coached Philly, he echoed the same sentiment about the Eagles sub-par offensive line. When you are African-American athlete in Philly, you will get scruntinized more than others. I commend Vick for the way he handled his o-lines issues. Ask former President Nixon, “the tapes never lie”, and sometimes you need fresh eyes to view or shed light on an obvious situation.
haha…I agree!
lmfao. ur right the tape doesnt lie..
fumbleeeeeeee (the offensive lines fault), pick (receivers fault), deflected pass (playcalling at fault), turned his back to the line of scrimmage (his peewee coach told him that was ok to do), threw the ball off his back foot (quarterback coaches fault).
best of all he was ranked 29th in average time spent holding the football (from snap to throw), but that wasnt his fault that was the play callers fault. this guy is like tebow he gets so much press and all he does is suck at QB
you do realize those numbers includes him running around a little and making throws…some he ran around a bit and threw the ball on the move…a play to Jeremy Maclin in the end zone against Balt, rings a bell…and there were plenty more…
oh i realize that and that is not fundamental football that is idiot football where the captain of the ship doesnt live to play another day. great good for him sometimes he can spin, and jump over a defender and scramble a little and make a highlite real play that helped the team put up 3 points – great good for vick he made a top 10 play of the week yayyyyyyyyyyy. but then the next series he can try the same shit and get his body bent in half and fumbles because he was too dumb to listen to the coaches who have taught him to never turn his back to the line of scrimmage or he can throw a missile into his linemans head and it gets picked, guys a bum and incapable of being a winner because he is incapable of playing smart fundamental football and leading his offense to successful drives. its all big plays or 3 and outs. dude fucking stinks
OH YEA AND THE PLAY U REFERENCED VICK TO MACLIN AGAINST BALTIMORE:
it was a designed playaction bootleg and maclin didnt have a defender within 10 yards of him and was vicks first look, probably vicks easiest TD of his career.
ok and???…that play still counted in holding of the ball of QB stat….
I’m not even going to continue arguing with your ignorant ass…some folk are worth talking to or debating with, you are not one of them
ok now child run along. just another cyber tough guy that can’t go one day without calling someone a name. you really are pathetic
venomous
I called you ignorant…….are you really that sensitive? maybe you should change your page MHeShe, it must be that time of the month…I know you’ve been called worst, by many others than myself? Did you not just call Vick all kind of names? Bet you wouldn’t say shit to him face to face if he was in position to put his hands on you without being reprimanded for it.
But one thing about me I’m real…I don’t talk unless I believe what I’m saying…I don’t hate a guy because of their mistakes of the past, nor do I make labels to individuals…I’m as real as they come son…
Mheshe that’s a good one. Your such a nerd. What have I said here that I wouldn’t say to Vicks face ?
Your a fraud you call people names because I state Vick is an awful qb. I’m ignorant because I can see Vick blows at football. That makes a whole lot of sense.
handoff to the RB using his left hand when RB is on left…fumble…rbs fault. Handoff with 2 hands fumble…rbs fault….stand there in Buffalo for 8 seconds and throw thru the endzone negating end of half fg….timekeepers fault….stare at Arizona defender as he comes from the front side and sack fumbles… oline’s fault…all time leading QB fumbler……kids in Malaysia who didn’t sew the laces on properly fault….always trying to spin out of the pocket (and into rushing DEs 10 yrds behind the LOS) instead of up into it…high school coaches fault…..bottom 3 in league at taking sacks over 3 seconds both in Philly and Atlanta….Reid’s playcalling fault, because all he did was call ‘all go” you know.
WIN NOW with Vick!
your just a hater and a racist and ignorant and remember that time mike ran around in circles for 15 seconds and no defender touched then he threw that td pass to a wr, you telling me he stinks????????
haaaaaaaaaaa
this fucking guy vick, lollllllllll
who ever brought up the race card….Exactly…the perfect example of why I called you ignorant!
Realtalk, as usual, are missing mhenski’s point.
In an attempt to enlighten, I’ll spell it out.
He’s imitating one of you guys….tongue-in-cheek…..
He’s saying that, eventually…at some point on this thread, if we keep brining up all the too numerous to count Vick foibles over the years, someone is eventually going to pull out the “you’re only saying this because you’re a racisthaterbigot Vinnie, or Mhenski….or whomever”
And he’s right…it’ll happen. Clockwork.
This reading between the lines and the understanding of sarcasm is too complicated for real talk
@Vinnie – well I dont pull out the race card…in fact it seems that many of you on here accuse people of using the race card more than the race card is actually used. In my opinion that shows just as much ignorance as those using the race card! a hidden agenda to be perfectly honest with you!
Real talk remember that time Vick bootlegged to his left and hit Maclin for a td against the ravens and a defender couldn’t even be seen on the tv screen ? Absolutely legendary
Real u don’t use the race card anymore because you used all urs up last year and don’t have anymore. My secret agenda for factually giving reasons why Vick blows is because I am a racist and hat Vick because he isn’t white. Although I liked mcnabb just don’t tell any of my klan members… Fuckin idiot
Mhenski – are you dumb? really….the only reason that I brought that play up was because you mentioned the QB (snap to throw) stat…I just was reminded you that there were some plays, like the TD to Maclin where holding the ball was required and it worked out…So that stat you used is a little misleading…yes go ahead and make it out as if I’m saying that was the greatest play ever made…
You’re full of shit…never once have I used the race card…you have me confused…
Mhenski – I’m not DCAR…I will show up to a place of your choice and beat the hell out of you….bottom line…I’m done talking…now if you want to take it to fist a cuffs just name the time and place! RealTalk!
10 year old little boy. Lmfao ur a pathetic excuse of a grown “man” and a great role model to the kids u coach I’m sure. Lol what a trash man
Real, no you ain’t me! Your a fraud & never keep it Real! I do all of the time my man! I showed up, the coward didn’t! Why you involving me in your idiotic arguments anyway! Keep my name out of your fraud mouth! I don’t involve you in my battles, so don’t involve me with yours! PLEASE! I’m disgusted enough with this organization!
DCAR – I honestly wasn’t trying to offend you in anyway. My fault if I offended you….But if you still have an issue, I’ll be happy to show you just how Real, realtalk is!
Mhenski you are a clown…you’re one of the most disrespectful cats on this site and you mad cuz I threatened you? or challenged you? so the F what, its clear that you have much more mouth than you do heart
Lol your right on the money mhenski
HERE WE GO………. Vick is the starter. If you cant protect your QB the game is lost. Way too many hits in the back field, and in 2011 we still had Danny Watkins opposite Jason Peters. It is also blatantly obvious Gary Cobb does not like Michael Vick Personally, or Professionally. Chip Kelly is another Sucker????? Wow G. See ya in the locker room!!!!!
It’s blatantly obvious that you don’t read very well.
Garry didn’t write this article.
Nothing I’ve ever written has ever criticized Vick the person, only Vick the quarterback…and that’s all I’ll ever criticize about him.
Danny Watkins actually didn’t play poorly in 2011, he didn’t begin the season as a starter, but he finished the year with some decent performances that actually provided some hope for his future.
Offensive line was not the problem in 2011, plain and simple. Vick turns the ball over with or without a quality offensive line.
“Danny Watkins didn’t begin the season as the starter, but he finished the year with some decent performances.”
And the Eagles won their last 4 games. Coincidence?
To say that the offensive line didn’t play poorly is revisionist history. Kelce was a rookie center, Herremans was moving to tackle for the first time, full time, and DeVan was the RG. They weren’t that great either.
You’re a new head coach, you’re on the radio, and your organization hasn’t decided to get rid of Vick for whatever reason. What are supposed to do trash him in public? How well would that go over. And I don’t care if it would have been your boy Gus on the radio, he would have protected Vick in that situation too.
Like it or not, Vick is popular in the locker room and you have to build some trust with the veteran players. I don’t think Vick is the answer but this column is just another message board rant by you.
Jason Peters was a Pro Bowler in 2011…Mathis played well enough that he got signed to a big contract extension…Kelce won the job in training camp from Jamaal Jackson, and got rave reviews from everyone in his rookie season…Herremans played just fine as well, it wasn’t until last season that his play dipped.
DeVan only started the first four games of the season, and then Watkins took over. So you had, at worst, one trouble spot on the line that season. And it wasn’t even the center or the tackles, it was the right guard.
Now who exactly is it that’s revising history about the quality of the line in 2011?
The unit still struggled. Peters was great on an individual level. Herremans was not in the lineup at the end of last season so it’s hard to say he didn’t play well when he didn’t play at all. Fact was, he hasn’t played well at tackle.
And the o-line is a unit. Individual honors are great but they have to mesh and they never did. Just because Watkins took over for DeVan doesn’t mean Watkins was good either. And same with Kelce since that’s who Mudd preferred. That doesn’t mean Kelce was great to stars with.
So yes, my point stands.
Tech, you’re all over the place here.
We’re talking about 2011, not 2012. The fact that Herremans didn’t play at the end of last season has no bearing on how he played in 2011.
And Herremans was clearly in a decline last season before the injury, that’s part of the reason why it was necessary to draft Johnson this year.
And you know what else? Michael Vick himself spent most of last offseason talking about how he had to change his game, how a full offseason with the coaching staff was going to help him become better at protecting himself from contact and cut down on his turnovers.
There was no talk about the line needing to improve…it was all about the quarterback.
I have to agree Denny that in 2011, Vick reverted back to his days in Atlanta, by trying to do too much, and being a highlight reel. But, I agree with Chip Kelly, Real Talk, and Biggie. The Offensive Line was MOSTLY to blame, for his ineptness in the pocket ,…..Just no real protection, and when he tried to make something happen, it was disastrous. I agree with Chip on this one, because that is what I saw….
As soon as Vick said hike, the Defensive Line was in his face every game. Mistakes are going to happen when all cylinders are not firing as a unite. He can’t be all the blame for this teams poor season.
Whats worse we have a project on his blindside now…..
Hahahahaha dude Vick isn’t the answer bro. He’s DONE! Time to move on my man. New era in Philly!!
Please dont tell me this coach is gonna drink the vick koolaid please dont
You guys always say the so-called Vick backers are quick to make excuses, but I’m just saying how I feel. Guys like mhenski, Vinnie, Jakedog, Regal, Dman and a bunch of others it seems personal to me, I mean nobody can say anything positive about Vick without you guys spewing hatred like someone stole your lunch money. Denny even ends his article calling a guy who is being paid an ungodly amount of money to coach a football team delusional. Why and don’t give me that bull of a reason that we just want to see a young Qb. The same reason everyone was quick to try and run McNabb out of town. Different QB same old boy responses.
When a different quarterback steps in and plays poorly, he’ll get the same criticism.
I think that most people’s frustrations aren’t even directed towards Vick itself, it’s more at the people from the organization that keep telling everyone that Vick can still be the guy from 2010.
Like for me, I’m at the point where I think Michael Vick has had more than a fair chance to prove that he can be the quarterback of this team, and he’s shown that he’s not that guy.
Plain and simple, this was the year to move on. If the next guy up fails, then he fails and we try someone else. But we know Vick isn’t the future, and honestly I don’t understand what the team hopes to gain by keeping him around another year.
This team isn’t close to contending…so to keep Vick around just for a better chance to win a couple extra games this year? Seems pretty short-sighted to me.
All of what you said above…is nothing but your opinion, which your entitled to…But key words being “your opinion”…Kelly’s opinion obviously holds more weight
Clearly haha
Chip Kelly wasn’t here for those years Denny, he will make the proper decisions in due time, personally like I’ve said time and time again I would have blew the entire roster up if possible but guess what my job and career isn’t on the line. All this we need to rebuild stuff is for the fans Chip Kelly is here to win now, if Vick fails then guess what Foles and Barkley will get a chance but guess what if they win games with Vick then they will sit. That is the bottom line.
How many chances does Vick get to fail Big? You said the same thing the past two years?
He gets as many chances as Kelly gives him Xevious, Kelly is here to win if he fails he doesn’t play simple as that.
Nah you have said it 3 years running now. It’s a crock just keep giving him chance after chance until he suceeds. Vick get more chances than even Jeff George….of whom he reminds me.
I understand your point, but again this team is so far away from seriously contending so I just don’t understand what good it does to spend more time with a guy who’s already taken you as far as he can, but in the grand scheme of things I suppose it doesn’t matter that much who quarterbacks the team this season because I don’t think the answer is currently on the roster.
Your right! Let’s sit back and watch the Chip Kelly show! And by the way, I predict that the Eagles will be in the playoff mix in 2013.
I got nothing personal with the guy i think he sucks and has always been a really terrible QB and incapable of being a winner because of the way he plays the game. I was a huge fan of McNabbs and even though McNabb show ended I wanted the keys to go to anyone but Vick or Kolb as it was clear as day both of those guys were incapable of winning a championship. .. And any time anyone writes that Vick is good I just cant wrap my brain around why someone who say that HE SUCKS and has for 10+years
Vick isn’t the greatest option at QB, preferrably I like Foles(Sunshine). However, when you look at who gives you the best chance to win, you’ve got to use Vick, until he gets hurt or puts the ball on the ground too often. With a healthy O-line, there should be no excuses!
Everybody keeps asking about 2011 –
You mean 2011 when the offense led 5 times in the fourth and the defense couldn’t stop not a damn thing. That 2011?
The 2011 of ronnie brown fumbles, missed field goals, self tacklin maclin and a pissed off DJax.
The 2011 with a WHOLE NEW blocking scheme that took the line a bit to get used too. A line that was a great RUN BLOCKING unit and so so against the pass.
The 2011 that as the line got better so did the QB play?
That 2011?
One more win in 2011 Eagles in the playoffs not Giants. 2011 was the year of piss poor defense and piss poor personnel decisions. But I know – with Vick under center it’s all his fault. lol
Yes the same 2011 when the Eagles Started 3-6 and their Post-Season was finished by Nov 8th.. Only a strong finish made it interesting as they finished 8-8 in a pretty weak NFC Conference … Yes that Same 2011 when McCoy rushed for 1200 YArds behind supspect blocking schemes.. Sone of you guys see what you want to see and not the actual performances of your favorite players which is typical of some Eagles Fans..
Actually Paulman that season I recall many bonehead mistakes with the game on the line by many players…Vick included….But some of them came with the game on the line, when Vick was doing what he was supposed to do…move the ball down the field…Right or wrong?
Maclin fumble against the 49ers, Eagles entering field goal range….Eagles kick FG they probably win that game…
Avant game againt the Bills
What was that running back’s name who threw the lateral?
Didn’t Maclin also have another fumble on key drive in a different game?
Geesh, Denny….. its all about you huh. You Mad Bro?
Did I miss something? It’s all about me…how exactly?
And no, not mad at all haha, there’s plenty of things in life to get mad over.
But a post on a website filled with no real substance and plenty of ignorance and errors? Nah, trust me that’s just something you just kind of shake your head and laugh at.
Plenty in life to get mad over AGREED! So let this one go. Keep a story a story, what is it they say about a reporter that becomes one? NO CREDABILLITY!!!! Let it go… Hahahaha….
credibility*
Haaaaaaaaaa. Denny ur awesome
I so sick of the Vick stuff..I mean really he hasn’t accomplished a thing his entire career. Nothing Nada Zilch and yet the site explodes at the mention of his name. Obviously he is very controversial and it’s really unbelievable. If this were 5 I could understand it because he lead us places and just came up short. This guy has lead us nowhere and turns over the ball at an ungodly pace. If Chip had confidence in Vick he would have traded Foles and gotten something for him. There were offers out there. Chip said decision making is the #1 thing he looks for and now repetitive accuracy…neither of those are Vick’s strengths.
Xevious we are about to find out. Foles and or Barkley will get a chance if Vick doesn’t play the way Kelly wants him too. That’s why I dont understand all the hand wringing about something Kelly said on a radio show.
For me personally it’s we have done this before and we know how it’s gonna end. Frustrating because we should be past this. Im just stating fact. But Chip is the coach so he gets the say. Just have to hope his plan works.
Word out on the Streets outside NovaCare
Eagles bringing in Tim Tebow, the newly improved JeMarcus Russell, Jimmy Claussen and yes, Vince Young again. I think this Chip Kelly has some
emoitional problems that need to get worked out- -maybe an imbalance somewhere where some medication can help…
Every single Eagle fan know, deep down, that in order for this team to compete for the SB over the next decade they will need to develop good, solid, young players at OL, DL, and most importantly QB.
We need good, young, long term players at these positions to compete in the playoffs over the coming decade.
Every Eagle fan knows this. Everything else is spinning tires.
And deep down every Eagles fan knows the only way forward with this team is if they develop a new young QB.
Period.
There is no upside to rolling out Mike Vick for one more year of the same old shit.
If you are still touting Mike Vick right now – knowing that playing him would be detrimental to the long term development of this team…..well, I have to wonder if you are a fan of the team or the player.
Actually most of us want whoever is best for the team to win NOW.
So if Coach Kelly decides that’s M. Vick..we’re on board. No whining or bitching to be had. If it’s Barkley or Foles that’s fine too…no whining or bitching to be had.
That’s the diff between real Eagles fans and everyone else. The best man for the job is what matters, and I’m cool rolling with whomever Kelly thinks that is.
Im ok with what Kelly is saying but Michael Vicks days are numbered and you know that no matter how good of a player Vick can be you cant have a 32 year old QB leading your team into a new era. I understand resigning him to a one year deal because who else do you have at this point? Lets the boys battle it out in camp and may the best man win.
Denny has it occurred to you that maybe the Oline wasn’t that good in 2011 I would think that Kelly and his staff has looked at every snap Vick has taken. I bet on film there was a lot they didn’t lime other then Peters. I am really surprised no viable competition for center wasn’t brought in remember Kelce was a Mudd guy who was pushed around quite a bit.
As I just mentioned in a comment above…Peters was a Pro Bowler that year, and had a tremendous year. Evan Mathis played well enough that the team wanted to sign him to a big contract extension. Kelce was a rookie that year, but he wasn’t a problem…if he had been, he would have been benched for Jamaal Jackson who was still on the roster at the time. Watkins was a Mudd guy too, and a first round pick at that, and the Eagles had no trouble benching him until they thought he was ready…if Kelce was really an issue, why wouldn’t they bench him in favor of an established veteran? And Herremans was just fine at right tackle that season too, it wasn’t until last season that his play started to decline.
Offensive line wasn’t the problem in 2011. I cannot stress that enough. Again, Vick has ALWAYS been a quarterback that has made poor decisions and turned the football over…2010 was the exception, not the rule.
And I would assume that he’s looked at every snap too (that’s what I meant in the other earlier post when I said he wouldn’t be doing his job if he wasn’t).
But the bottom line is that it’s like you and others have said: Kelly feels like Vick gives them the best chance to win, and that’s what he’s going to go with until further notice.
Right or wrong, he feels like the team has something to gain from another year of Vick, and I couldn’t possibly disagree with that idea more haha.
Denny that’s what we were lead to believe, if Kelly and Oline coach went over game film and saw things we didn’t see then what? Now I will say this the thing that seperates great QB’s from ordinary ones is they overcome suspect line play or missed blocks and make plays. Aaron Rodgers is a rich man because of that ability.
They could have seen a lot of things, it could have been the line, it could have been some issues with Vick’s game that they feel that they could correct and coach out of him.
The fact is we don’t know what, if anything, they saw from the 2011 tapes. Kelly is only on the record stating that the offensive line was the reason for last year’s issues. He’s said nothing about the 2011, whether he felt it did have something to do with the oline, or if it was some other factor, and to be fair he wasn’t asked about 2011.
And yes, I agree 100%, a truly great quarterback finds ways to overcome the problems around him, whether its the offensive line or skill position players, a great quarterback makes the guys around him better.
I actually read somewhere that Kelly looked at every turnover Vick committed as an Eagle and said the majority was not the QB’s fault. It was more play calling and missed assignments.
2001 6 fumbles in 2 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2002 9 fumbles in 15 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2003 4 fumbles in 4 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2004 16 fumbles in 15 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2005 11 fumbles in 15 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2006 9 fumbles in 15 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2010 11 fumbles in 11 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2001 10 fumbles in 13 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2001 11 fumbles in 10 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2001 2.7% int % in 2 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2002 1.9% int % in15 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2003 3.0% int % in 4 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2004 3.7% int % in 15 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2005 3.4% int % in 15 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2006 3.4% int % in16 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2010 1.9% int % in 11 starts- must have been his GREAT oline…oh wait, he was back to 3% for the final 5 games of the year
2011 2.3% int % in 13 starts – must have been his terrible oline
2012 2.8% int % in 10 starts – must have been his terrible oline
Fuck….too bad for the guy. How he’s been shackled every single year of his career (except for 6 games in 2010) by a completely horrendous oline.
Tragic story actually.
great stuff Vinnie.
Hey Vinnie email that to Chip Kelly, posting that here just confirms what people think about you. Seriously my man we have heard it and seen it all before.
You do realize that his career INT rating his 2.5% which is low right. Manning and others are similar. VIck historically hasn’t been high on INTs but high on fumbles.
it really is. thank you Vin. How anyone can look at those numbers and say anything other than the guy stinks and the eagles should be embarrassed that they put themselves in a position where he is our QB and gave him 100 million. absolutely stupid and I cant wait until it’s over. there is 0 hope and chance the eagles can be a winner with this guy behind center.
Doesn’t matter what Vinnie or myself or Denny or realtalk or Mhenski thinks maybe if you guys got that then maybe it wouldn’t bother you so much. Especially since Chip Kelly has said this will be an open competition. If Vick stinks he won’t play here what part of that doesn’t anyone get?
i get it lion and i hope thats what happens…
2011 was 3.3%, not 2.3%….but you knew that already
i didnt even look any further than the fumbles
Barkley is the only hope —
I’ve seen enough of Foles and Vick is too fragile.
My money is on another draft pick will be used next year on a QB because all 3 are deficient.
DENNY YOUR A CLOWN…..Chip is a smart guy thats clear thats why he keep Mike and I’m with him GO VICK
Haha hey more power to you my friend. Go Eagles!
You clowns want to talk the 2011 season when the offensive line was “great”? Even though they had TWO rookies starting? Ok lets do it. Denny Basens, you might as well be Vinnie, and who knows, you probably are.
2011, Vick threw for 3300 yds with 18 tds, 14 ints and 4 fumbles lost in 13 games. So the TD/Turnover ratio evened out. However, if you want to look more indepth, 4 of those interceptions came against Buffalo. If I recall correctly, two of those interceptions weren’t even his fault. With that said, it still goes in his stat book.
In 2011, Vick only had TWO multi-int games. The Buffalo game and the ARZ game (you know, the one where Kevin Kolb was telling the Arizona defense what plays we were going to run and the same game that Vick played with broken ribs).
In 2011, Vick threw for 416 yards, 2 tds and ran for another 75 yards against the San Francisco 49ers. Yes, the same 49ers defense that was in the NFC Championship that year and in the Super Bowl this past year.
In 2011, after Vick came back from his rib injury suffered at the hands of ARZ, (and at a time where the consensus was that the offensive line had really begun to “gel”) he went 4-0 to finish the season strong and in three of those games had a QB rating OVER 100.
So you want to ask why Chip Kelly didn’t bring up 2011? Maybe because he feels he didn’t have to! The tape for 2011 speaks for itself!
Now get off his nuts. I’m out.
You’re celebrating a touchdown/turnover ratio that was nearly even?
Touchdown/turnover ratios that are almost even are not good things…normally you expect your quarterback to have significantly more touchdowns than interceptions (at least between 7-10 more tds than ints).
And you can bring up interceptions that weren’t his fault, and you would be 100% correct that those weren’t his fault…but if you want to play the woulda/coulda/shoulda game with stats, how about balls that he put up for grabs that defenders should have come down with but didn’t?
Sure, he only had two multi-interception games that year…but multi-turnover games? He had four multi-turnover games (Atlanta, Buffalo, Arizona, Washington).
He only made it through two of those 13 games without committing any. For your quarterback to generate such a rate of turnovers is terrible/unacceptable.
Also it’s a joke to bring up those last four games of that season…meaningless football at it’s finest.
Denny they missed the playoffs by a game that year, so was the games Foles played in last year meaningful?
They were meaningful because you had a young quarterback in a situation trying to prove himself, playing against teams like Dallas, Cincinnati, and Washington that were fighting to get into the playoffs…the team had something to gain by getting a look at Foles for the second half of the season.
Whereas the final four games of 2011, you have an Eagles team playing against three teams that were completely out of it (Miami, New York Jets, Washington). There you had a team that had underachieved all season finally come together and pull off a handful of hollow wins against teams that for the most part were already dead in the water.
You bring up Atlanta, you know he LEFT that game with a double digit lead right? You fuckin clown
Haha way to handle yourself with class, my friend.
Yes I remember that game well. He was knocked out of the game, and Mike Kafka and Jeremy Maclin had an opportunity to bring them back and let them down, along with the defense that had an overwhelmed Casey Matthews in the middle. Believe it or not, I’m well aware the 2011 team had plenty of issues not named Vick.
But turnovers kill you in the NFL. They keep teams in the game. They give teams that should be down and out new life. And Vick generates them at alarming rates.
He’s far from the only issue with this team.
But when we’re talking about JUST the quarterback position…the fact is Vick is a mediocre/average starter, he’s not the future, and after what happened last year, the right thing to do was to move on from him, and the rest of the disappointing veterans from the last two years.
Class? Take a look at this “article” then come talk to me about class. Look, I realize some of you have a hidden agenda gainst Vick, I get it. It’s understandable. But dont use your agenda as a reason to pick apart everything he does in an effort to downplay his ability.
You talk about his turnovers, its annoying yes, but more times than not, he makes up for it. He puts and has put this team in position to win. It comes with the territory. You do know Brett Favre, who is considered one of the greatest QBs of all time and our generation, threw for over 20 ints in six seasons and over 15 ints in alot more seasons than that?
Favre had his deficiencies, but when the game was on the line in the final minute, there may be no other QB you want in that situation. Something similar can be said about Vick.
With Favre, you were never out of the game. Same with Vick.
Fact of the matter is, Vick will never be that guy that throws a high accuracy percentage, or 40 tds with 5 ints, or for 5,000 yards…..but when he’s on that field, I feel as if my team can beat anybody on any given day. I feel as if no matter how many points we are down by, he can bring us back in a hurry.
I would rather have him than a guy like Romo who has had plenty of opportunities to get his team over the hump and has failed every time.
Vick’s career isn’t over and if he succeeds in Chip Kellys offense, he will be the QB for years to come. 3 years? 4 years? 5 years? Who knows. It all depends on how he plays this year of course. If he fails with a coach that tailors his gameplan to his strengths, than yes he is done. Get rid of him. If he succeeds — maybe some of YOU should be looking for a new team.
No reason to make things personal my friend, I’m doing my best to debate you respectfully, as I try to do with everyone, so I don’t see the need for swearing at one another. Honestly, come on, maybe I’m dreaming and way off base, but I’d like to think we’re a little better than that.
Anywho…
Actually I was not a Favre fan either, for the exact same reason…especially in the later stages of his career, man he just killed the Packers with turnovers.
Remember the 4th and 26 game in Philadelphia? In the overtime, Favre threw one up that gave the game away, probably the easiest interception of Dawkins’ career.
Favre threw so many games away just like that, he punched the Giants ticket to their eventual Super Bowl win over the Patriots in 2007. If I was an opposing defense, I would salivate at the opportunity to play guys like Favre and Vick.
And honestly, stop with the hidden agenda nonsense…not to say that some people might not have ill feelings towards Vick, but that’s not the case with myself, and if you truly believe otherwise, then honest to God I feel sorry for you.
I don’t like his game. He had is shot. It’s time to move on. That simple. Next quarterback, please.
Hey I’m just glad Chip has a similar mindset to mine more than to yours. He wants to win now and he knows Vick gives him the best chance to do that.
Good shit, Birdo, Good shit!
And somehow 3300 yrds and 18 tds in today’s nfl is good? Are you trying to somehow tout that season as a success?
3300 yrds ranked him 21st
Interception% 10th
td%14th
Comp % 19th
(but he only played 11 games)
His stats were mediocre at best….I don’t understand the love for this guy at all. At his best he’s middle of the road…and wneh you add in the 1st in fumbles every year he’s shite.
His int % was the same it was every other year of his career.
His fumbles (and I count the # of times the ball hits the turf was the same as his career
and always you guys sneak in the “two rookie starting” or whatever (like no other line starts rookies, just the lines in front of Vick….
I will add to Danny’s point about the oline in 2011 being good.
Vick’s sack % that year was 5.2%
Lowest of his career and tied for 8th in the league.
Yet still a fumble a game and career average 3.3% int rate…same as it ever was….
Always excuses, never a cold hard look at the constant in the equation.
Mike Vick, at his best, is a below average QB. He carried his career with his legs, and now those are gone. Its over.
I guarantee you Chip Kelly knows this and MV will be curbed by week 1.
More things to send to Chip.
How many 4th quarter leads did the Eagles defense give up that year? 6? 7? All leads that Vick, albeit with some turnovers in the mix, was able to put them in position to WIN.
but when it was time to add to that lead like the pro bowl caliber qbs do where was he>?
He NEVER had a chance to in those games moron! You want to talk about comebacks? Lets talk about Giants in 2010. Lets talk about Cleveland this past year. Or how about the game against the SUPER BOWL CHAMPION Baltimore Ravens?
A dropped Int by Browns LB ends the game with Browns Victory
A bogus Push off call versus Ravens WR Jones over putrid Asmo
Seals the game for the Ravens.. Vick play 1 good game (versus the Giants in week 4 or 5) and that was it.. Vick is no longer a Franchise QB and in fact is nothing more than. Below average Starterin the NFL
And I don’t care about him being Black, white, green or blue, as a a football Fan who watches many games around the Leauge, he is what he is.. And average to below average QB, despite his athleticism, but guess what, it takes a lot more to play at a consistent high level in the NFL and worse of all, Vick has always had that
Arrogant, dependency, excuse filled attitude and is not a Team Leader.. I admit that teammates, Coaches, Media and Fans were enamored by his comeback in 2010, for those 7-8 weeks, with his outstanding play, but then reality set in and so did his poor playing habits.. It’s all in the past now in 2013 and time to move on
For him and the Eagles Team..
The O-Line represented a big problem and it did effect Vick’s ability to make plays considerably, BUT I don’t know that at his age he can either stop plunging head first into contact when he does run or whether he condition himself to throw the ball away when there isn’t a play to be had or whether he can change his habit of throwing interceptions in bunches. With Vick not being a young player I can’t really see investing any more time in re-developing him as a QB he really should either just pick up the system or get the boot versus giving him a half a season to get it while he’s not taking good care of the football.
2011
Brees 32 more tds than ints
Rodgers 39 more tds than ints
Stafford 25 more tds than ints
Brady 27 more tds than ints
FOr Gods sakes Rome 21 more tds than ints
Vick
4 more tds than ints…ties with 78 yr old matt hasselback and
but he was better than rookies Christian Ponder, Colt McCoy and the incomparable Rexy Grossman…so he had that going for him.
nobody believed the earth was round at first but they eventually came around…
Who would you rather to start a franchise?
1st 6 starts:
2w 4l 106 of 216 (49%) 948 yrds (4.4 y/att) 8tds 7 ints 8 fumbles sack%11.5
1st 6 starts
1w 5l 161 of 265 (61%) 1699yrds (6.4 y/att) 6 tds 5 ints 8 fumbles sack%7
Because one turned out to be pretty good…but the other we should let rot on the bench because there’s a 33 yr old guy that some people have an irrational love for and who could maybe lead the eagles to an 8-8 season. Maybe.
Thats exactly why waht ever kelly said about vick is meaningless. He knows that the Foles led team with less talent put up more points per game than the Vick led offense. End of story.
Foles will be the guy this year!
Less talent?
Oh so I guess those two 400 yard games by Brown meant nothing huh?
Or the shored up line?
Or the diff playcalling?
Okay.
No Jackson, No Mccoy, Still no Peters, No Kelce,…. ts please!
Different play calling yes because Foles is not a scramble and wait 10 years for undersized receivers to go deep guy.
people still hung up on Vick smh? Why? he is the starter period. the team is not ready to win it yet he is the veteran stop gap starter for the time being. there are far worst qb’s that can be chosen for that role get over it. pulling up #’s from Atlanta mean nothing if you are not gonna dive all the way into the fact that he ran the ball as much as a featured back, of course his fumble numbers were higher than any Qb. Ignore the fact that he won games in Atlanta went to the NFC championship game multiple playoff appearances. More winning than Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Matty Ice, have done they whole career and that’s just Atlanta. the Eagles were on life support under Andy until vick got here and gave the front office false hope about the talent on the roster. Is he the long term solution here? No! but he can bridge the gap between the old and new and that’s all his contract say’s. I can’t believe people are questioning did chip Kelly look at 2011. you idiots really think you are on to something? its His job of course he looked at it smh. Same people are acting like they behind the team but when Vick comes up they act like we could have won a superbowl if it wasn’t for him. smh be realistic
Eagles have actually gotten worse each year since Vick arrived.
2008 (year before Vick) NFC Championship Game appearance.
2009 (first year) 11-5, first round loss to Dallas
2010 10-6, first round loss to Green Bay
2011 8-8, no playoffs
2012 4-12, no playoffs, Reid era over.
Of course, a lot of that just an ironic coincidence and isn’t a direct result of Vick being on the team…but it’s just some fun irony all the same.
Or you could say they have gotten worse since McNabb left nothing ironic about that at all. LOL I appreciate the article and the back and forth Denny hopefully this gets solved and it won’t be like this all year.
No problem, and I appreciate the comments and the back and forth too!
Actually, I’ve got it…the real reason for the decline, and I think we can all agree on this, it has nothing to do with Vick or McNabb…its because Dawkins leaves after 2008!
Eagles have gotten worse since Jim Johnson died. That is all.
Now that’s actually the truth. Johnson masked a lot of Reid’s deficiencies.
i’ll agree with that too
This is REALLY funny.
Kelly says good stuff about Vick and he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Says good stuff about Foles means Foles is def the starter.
Drafts Barkley means he’s getting rid of Vick.
How about we accept the man means what he says. Which means he views Vick as a viable starter in this league. He sees potential in Foles. And saw great value in picking up Barkley in the fourth.
Simple
because, no matter what he says he can’t carry 4 QBs. One has to go. It will be Vick.
And once again you don’t know that. But hey if you say it long enough. Click your heels three times too while you’re at it.
Chip watches the film and this is his career but he gets it wrong.
The keyboard coaches though…they know. lol
Okay
Had to repost.
Look, I realize some of you have a hidden agenda gainst Vick, I get it. It’s understandable. But dont use your agenda as a reason to pick apart everything he does in an effort to downplay his ability.
You talk about his turnovers, its annoying yes, but more times than not, he makes up for it. He puts and has put this team in position to win. It comes with the territory. You do know Brett Favre, who is considered one of the greatest QBs of all time and our generation, threw for over 20 ints in six seasons and over 15 ints in alot more seasons than that?
Favre had his deficiencies, but when the game was on the line in the final minute, there may be no other QB you want in that situation. Something similar can be said about Vick.
With Favre, you were never out of the game. Same with Vick.
Fact of the matter is, Vick will never be that guy that throws a high accuracy percentage, or 40 tds with 5 ints, or for 5,000 yards…..but when he’s on that field, I feel as if my team can beat anybody on any given day. I feel as if no matter how many points we are down by, he can bring us back in a hurry.
I would rather have him than a guy like Romo who has had plenty of opportunities to get his team over the hump and has failed every time.
Vick’s career isn’t over and if he succeeds in Chip Kellys offense, he will be the QB for years to come. 3 years? 4 years? 5 years? Who knows. It all depends on how he plays this year of course. If he fails with a coach that tailors his gameplan to his strengths, than yes he is done. Get rid of him. If he succeeds — maybe some of YOU should be looking for a new team.
“Favre had his deficiencies, but when the game was on the line in the final minute, there may be no other QB you want in that situation.”
You should ask Minnesota fan about that.
Favre is the 2nd most overrated QB over the past 20 years, right after you know who.
“With Favre, you were never out of the game. Same with Vick.”…only reason other teams often even in the game is because both Favre and Vick were masters of the same thing….keeping both teams in the game. Td turnover td turnover…especially early.
“but when he’s on that field, I feel as if my team can beat anybody on any given day. I feel as if no matter how many points we are down by, he can bring us back in a hurry.”
Then why does he only have 13 4th Q comebacks over his entire career?
You do know that a “4th qtr comeback” isn’t a given in EVERY game right you idiot? Matter of fact, 13 4th qtr comebacks is damn impressive. Thanks for the stat.
It is impressive. In fact leads 4th Q comebacks at the exact same rate as Mark Sanchez does.
Wait, sorry…Sanchez has 10 in 62 starts….that’s a much higher clip than Vick…I’ll have to find someone else…
You’re an idiot and I wish I could meet you in person and punch you in ur canadian inbred face. you going to any games this year?
Ahh, the old request to fight. Predictable MO for the ignorant.
I might’ve taken you up on that, but grade 10 was 35 years go.
But not for you I guess. You must be the real tough guy on the block. Good for you sport.
I am actually heading to Scotland for a year starting in August, so won’t be able to meet you for the big dust up.
Kelly knows better. He has to hype Vick up for trade value. When teams lose their QB in the beginning of the season, We could get a 2nd rounder next year for Vick.
Yes I agree he has to give him lip service so that When he cuts his A$$ the message to the team is Clear. Sorry but no one will trade a 9th round draft pick for Vick!
BTW I realize there are only 7 rounds in the draft I mean what I say!
There is no “hidden agenda”.
Its quite a “transparent agenda”
Mike Vick sucks and the team will go nowhere as long as he’s the quarterback.
Yes I am out in the OPEN with a sign CUT VICK! CUT VICK!
I would rather lose a whole season with GJ Kinne at QB than have another second of Mike Vick in Philly. That’s not Hidden it’s out there. Vick SUCKS and he pulls your team down with him.
Vick is like owning a BRITISH SUPERCAR from the 80’s it intrigues you but its always broken down and in the shop while the Americans and Italians Duke it out!
Give me the 6’6″ pocket passer behind an improved line and with Shady and 3 Big TE’s and lets smash the hell out of teams running and when the safety moves up BAM down the seam to a trio of rumbling Bears.
Only in Philly would people cry about a 4 time pro bowl stop gap QB. Look around the NFL. Short of Brady Rogers Eli Drew, who has won consistently? People acting like Vick kept the eagles from the promise land lol the ship was sinking already. Mcnabb is better than Vick we cried about him too and will cry about Foles when the time is right smh. There is nothing wrong with Foles waiting until he is ready or the taken on the roster is good enough ask Aaron Rogers.
Again Foles lead the team to more points per game than vick did. Foles play improved over the course of his starts. Vick has declined since …well pick!
To ask if Chip Kelly watched the 2011 eagles and he is the head coach is the dumbest thing I heard in a while. Fire him now then.
Vinnie, an eagles hero, real talk, a damn racist fool, name the place, name the time
I guess it didn’t help that i refused to comment about Vick till after the draft. 4 months was not enough. Talk about a lightning rod lmao. I just don’t get it TBH, he isn’t elite never has been elite. Good runner below average passer at best. Why the devotion IDK. At least Rodney Peete won a Playoff game as an Eagle.
Xevious he is without a doubt the most polarizing player in NFL history. There isn’t even a close second. Unbelievable what the mere mention of his name will do to some people.
Foles also turned the ball over and was eventually had his season end because of injury same things we get mad at Vick over. Two Qb’s two different ages and styles same result turnovers and injuries. Common denominator offensive line play. I like Foles but playing him now means nothing in terms of if he can play or not. If he can play he will play well when it’s his time. this team is a far way from the ultimate goal as long as he us an eagle he will grow with the team you don’t have to be a starter necessarily for that to happen. Smh people think they know football and what it takes to win and haven’t won a championship even at the little league level. it’s a team game and many factors go into success. Chip Kelly is not putting all his money on Vick his draft says so, so why is everyones panties in a bunch? It’s hatred maybe y’all still mad about the pitbulls I have no clue.
Thank goodness Chip Kelly is here now so he can fix all the problems that had prevented Michael Vick from being a great quarterback.
It took 11 years, but finally a coach has arrived on the scene with a system that fits Michael Vick’s skill set perfectly.
I have no doubt, but that Michael Vick and the Eagles will be bringing Philadelphia their first Lombardi trophy this coming January.
See you at the parade boys!
Denny here is the reason why Vick was terrible in 2011 with a healthy line. There were 2 teams that year that had terrible defenses and the only way the teams could win was for the offense to literally score every possession because the defense was so bad. The two teams were Philadelphia and New England. Brady was able to score almost every possession and went to the super bowl. Vick couldn’t and forced balls, hung on to balls, that led to turnovers.
Remember this was the “dream team” season with expectations through the roof of the “all in” season. With no minicamps/training camp, Juan as new OC, Washburn as Dline coach, it was a recipe for disaster. No one felt the weight more then Vick. He realized after the first couple of games how poor the defense was. Every opposing running back was gaining 100 yards and QBs having career games.
This was the start of Vick feeling like he had to hold onto the ball and make a big play everytime he was out there. The first couple of games he didn’t but they kept losing because our defense kept blowing leads. So then he had to try and win it on his own.
Last season was even a bigger weight on Vick as his Andy Reid’s job was also on the line as well as expectations to win it all again. Factor in all the other stuff (O line injuries, Defense quitting) and you get the picture.
This is not to say that Vick was a terrible QB during the last two years. He definetly was. But this is my opinion of why he pressed the last two years.
I would absolutely agree that part of Vick’s problem is that he does press too hard at times.
As critical as I am about his game, he’s a competitor, and that works against him in ways.
Whether its him diving head first to try to pick up a couple of extra yards (while exposing himself to injury and allowing defenses an opportunity to strip the football), or whether it’s him holding on to the ball too long trying to wait for a receiver to come open or for a running lane to present itself, he just tries to do a little too much at times, and its part of what has gotten him into trouble.
2011 mantra was the defense couldn’t secure a 4th quarter lead. Wide 9 and Casey as mlb made the worst offenses look like the all madden team.
I also believe Reid gave the message to Vick that he had to carry the team. It was evident in the play calling.
If vick is on this team at the end of camp I hope Chip Kelly is the last Coach To lose his job on Vick’s behalf!
Another myth I see you believe in. Coaches get fired on their own Regal I would have thought you knew that. I have a question which player got Jim Mora Jr fired in Seattle? I don’t think Vick played for them. Why did Andy Reid get fired because of Vick or the idiotic way he was hiring assistants going back to McDermott?
That’s true. Coaches decide to use their players how they do so it is their fault. Vick is however FOOLS GOLD!
I CAN REFUTE THIS ENTIRE STUPID ARTICLE. VICK DIDNT STRUGGLE UNTIL MUDD CAME WITH HIS STUPID SCHEME WHICH REQUIRES THE QB TO BE A STATUE. HE TRIED TO MAKE VICK PEYTON THAT AINT HAPPENING AND THAT OLINE HAS ALWAYS SUCKED SINCE VICK HAS BEEN HERE.
I remember ppl complaining about the Oline when Kolb went down. in 2011 there was a LOCKOUT and a NEW blocking scheme,you racist moron. Most of Vicks picks were off the recievers hands or deflected off their hands.
I specifically remember fans saying the Oline hadnt yet gelled in Mudds scheme i also recall alot of players saying they didnt like his scheme and its difficult to learn. THAT CAME FROM THE PLAYERS ON THE OLINE! When they finally did gel the season was over and Vick went 4-0 and as i remember THEY WERE NEVER ANY GOOD AT PASS PROTECTION ANYWAYS. EXCEPT FOR JASON PETERS. YET ANDY STILL MADE VICK PASS 50+ TIMES
Now that is attention to detail brother!!! Good Post!!
writing in caps lock doesn’t make it true.
Vick’s biggest problem is that he simply not “smart” enough to read the sophisticated Defensive Coverages of Today’s NFL and simply
Relies on his athletic ability, and now that those are deteriorating duke to age,injuries and the pounding he’s taken, he’s below average..
And I might add that Coach AR & MM put him shitty posisitions as well so I am not blaming Vick, but his decision making has not improved over his Career
And that’s the story of Mike Avick.. A coulda, shoulda, woulda been who never learned to play the QB Pisition with his head instead of his legs..
Really Paulman not smart enough? Are you being serious questioning his intelligence you have not earthly idea what his football IQ is stop running the same tired racially driven insensitive crap on here. That’s right I am bringing up race. Question for you do you think Brett Farve was good at reading defenses?
Rodger, Roethlisbeger, & Vick extend plays — that is their strength —
Brady, Brees and Manning are audible players — that is their strength —
Please guys go over to pro football talk.com and read the story about Russell Sheppard signing with the Eagles during the draft its absolutely priceless.
good read Big-
sheppard might have a little Kenny Britt in him — doing dumb things off the field
LOL, LSU is cranking out some freakin geniuses down there. My goodness.
It’s a fact dumb people can’t keep their mouths shut. Just stupid…he will be cut lol.
Russell the Love Muscle might be cut before he even starts.
I love how everyone wants to talk about the o-line being great in 2011 when it was FAR from it. The o-line was good in 2010, ironically, the same year Vick almost won MVP.
In 2011, Mudd coming in and changing everything around in a lockout-shortened season was a recipe for disaster.
I pray the line stays intact this year and I pray they dominate. If they dominate, Vick dominates — which means the Eagles win. Anybody wishing for anything else is simply not a fan of this team.
2011 Vick sacked 5.2% of his dropbacks. 8th in the league and lowest of his career.
But the line sucked.
2011 Shady ran for 1304 yrds (4th in the league and a career high)
But the line sucked.
2011 Shady ran for 17 tds leading the league
But the line sucked
2011 Vick sacked 23 times in 13 statrs (about 2/3 the rate of compatriots like Rodgers 36, Romo 36, Rothless 40, Stafford 36 etc)
But the line sucked.
If you keep repeating the mantra, then it must be true! Right apologists?
MV sucked and the fanclub narrative is it always someone else’s fault…the line, howard Mudd, the playcalling……never ever the 11 year constant.
QB sacked the most since 2008….Aaron Rogers. What no bad line excuses?