We have the setting for a great quarterback controversy after Nick Foles led the Birds to a 36-21 win over the Giants, but Eagles head coach Chip Kelly has already made it clear that Michael Vick is the starter, but no one can argue that Foles did anything but a great job yesterday.
He was on the money with his decisions and his throws. Foles seems to play with an air of confidence that’s beyond his years and it shows he can handle the position and its requirements.
“I said, really, from the day we walked in here, you’ve got to have two quarterbacks,” Kelly said. “I felt confident in Nick with Mike not being 100 percent.”
Foles was ready to play. Kelly talked about Foles treating the practices like he was starter. The head coach was definitely telling the truth. Foles stepped into the game and didn’t miss a beat from the first snap he took.
“You prepare during the week, you put in all the work you can, you know the gameplan, you know what you want to do, you know where you want to attack them, and you do it,” Foles said.
“So you go in with less clutter in your brain, you’re going to play better. It’s really probably common sense. I do everything I can during the week to prepare and then if something like this does happen, I know I’m ready. I’ve done everything I can. Just go out there and let natural ability take over.”
I will also give credit to Kelly for making some adjustments with his passing game in the red zone. The new designs pass route designs worked well when Foles came into the game. His two touchdown passes were both new play designs which we hadn’t seen yet.He put in that throw back pass to the tight end and Foles threw a great pass and Brent Celek made a great catch.
The double move by wide receiver DeSean Jackson was also a nice play design and it was perfect for Jackson, who will get open because of his speed and quickness rather than his size. The Foles touch pass was a thing of beauty.
The corner route to Zach Ertz, when Vick was in the game, was a nice play call with him facing man-to-man coverage from one of the outside linebackers.
Let me get back to which quarterback should start.
If the Eagles were to start Foles, it may be a shot in the arm to their passing game, which they need. Foles gets rid of the ball with the quickness. He’s not going to hold the ball very and wait for the deep throw to come open. It’s one, two, three and the ball is out of his hands. He also throws a very catchable ball and he has a great feel for the touch pass. Both of the touchdown passes were different styles of touch passes.
Foles ability to the get the ball out of his hands may make the Eagles short to intermediate passing game to the tight ends more effective.
The second-year quarterback could provide some serious help to the team’s passing game, but at the same time he will probably struggle in much the same way that Vick has, when the wide receivers are unable to get open and the offensive line is getting outplayed.
Making Foles the starter could mean a setback for LeSean McCoy and the team’s running game. Defenses aren’t going to bother trying to stop Foles when he’s handing the ball off to McCoy on the read option. Did you see the time he held onto the ball yesterday? It didn’t look good.
The opposing team’s defensive mindset is going to be, make sure to tackle McCoy and dare Foles to run with the ball. The threat of a ball carrier like Vick opens up opportunities for McCoy.
From the start of yesterday’s game, you could see that the Giants came into the game with the intention of stopping McCoy and daring Vick to beat them with his legs and his arm. Vick hurt them running the ball in the first half. Chip Kelly took advantage of the situation, by having Vick run some sweeps behind two pulling offensive linemen. At halftime of the game, Vick had already picked up 79 yards on 7 rushing attempts.
Unfortunately all that running caused Vick to end up watching the second half from the sideline because of an injured hamstring.
Starting Foles could also reduce the Eagles effectiveness in throwing the ball downfield to Jackson. Throwing the deep ball is one of Vick’s strengths, Foles isn’t a good deep ball thrower because he puts too much air under the throw.
So what do you think Kelly should do? You know that he’s already said that he’s going to back to Vick when he gets healthy. Vick helps the Eagles running game, but Foles has a great feel for the passing game and he gets the ball out of his hands and into the hands of the team’s receivers. At the same time, starting him will remove a tremendous running threat from the team’s ground game.
I don’t think Vick or Foles is the Eagles quarterback of the future, but who knows what will happen in the future. Foles is 24 and in only his second-year in the league, while Vick is 33 years old and getting near the end of his career.
over/under for comments to this thread is set at 168 within 24 hours. Vick fans will talk about how great he is. Eagles fans will talk about which is best for moving forward and at the same time giving us a chance to win. Marcus…ooops i mean TS will gush at Vicks rushing stats. Unreal will talk about drops and poor weapons and skayne will just utter nonsense— vinnie will stay up late nights digging up stats.
Would you rather have your QB have 9 Rushes for 75 Yards or
your QB have 9 more Completions for Plays/Yards down the Field and into your Playmakers hands where you make the opposing Defense’s have to stay more honest and cover the entire field instead of focusing on 1-2 Players for this is the biggest Difference between choosing Mike Vick or Nick Foles..
My preference is to have the QB Pass and get the ball out to as many weapons on Offense as possible and let the Receivers,TE’s & RB’s make the plays..
I’d rather my QB move the chains.
move the chains but not punch it in… good call.
LeSean did a great drop of “punching it in” yesterday.
But i suppose Vick had nothing to with getting it down to the 1 yard line.
Now I really didn’t want to comment, because I didn’t want to throw salt on a good game played by Foles…But some of you clowns are so biased its ridiculous!
But, besides the end of the 1st half Foles didn’t really move the chains! We were fortunate to have the defense come away with turnovers that provided the Eagles a short field on both the TD’s scores…Foles capitalized by throwing good passes that were caught by the receivers…Celek made one of the best catches I’ve seen him make, EVER…
197 passing yards in a little more than a half and he didn’t move the ball? speaking of biased….. hmmmmm
many of those yards came in the end of half drive I speak about…did you watch the game?
Its simple mathematics….Eagles had 16 points…before Foles…Foles came in led them to 3….19pts…
He then moved the ball for a FG…22points…then nothing….then the defense got turnovers, provided short field in the 4th qtr…14points off of turnovers….So really the ball wasn’t moved where it produced points…REALLY ONLY PRODUCED 6 PTS ON OFFENSIVE DRIVES! Not biased just being real as you guys are being with Vick….
don/t those yards count? didn’t vick benefit from turnovers in his really great first half at washington? those things are part of the game– he made two great td passes that are not in vicks arsenal
Vick made TD passes to DJAX and Celek that aren’t in Foles arsenal…..
No way Vick makes those passes to Celek or Djax they aren’t im Vicks arsenal be real
Did you use the same logic when the Skins turned the ball over 3x in the first Q of the 1st game when Vick had one of his 2 good halves this year?
Yes….Eagles moved the ball all game long against the Skins, that’s a fact, undeniable! and guess what, some of those points off of turnovers only resulted in 3 points (after the Boykins INT, around the 50 yard)…there were drives that resulted into 7 points!
But this will be the absolute last time I speak to a dead man…you shouldn’t even be here, clown!
184 total yards in slightly less than a half, but he didn’t move the ball?
speaking of biased…hmmm…
i forgot you are a fan of running qb’s… good luck with that, its really served vick well–wonder how his mri went!
come on man….even you have to say that run for a first down on a 3rd and 19 was big…kept the drive a live and led to points…..penalties pushed us back and he converted with his feet…What are Foles chances of converting on a 3rd and 19?
I dunno
Last year Foles was 24 of 37 for 267 yards on 3rd or 4th down and more than 10 to go.
So I figure he has pretty much the exact same chance as Vick does running around and getting hurt (as usual)
I didn’t want to comment either, but you are letting your bias show here. Cripes, that was a great catch but it was an equally excellent throw. So was the throw to D-Jax after he made an excellent move to get open.
You are doing exactly what you say that you hate about people that post about Vick. You are discounting great play due to certain circumstances.
@Bugs…did I or did I not say Foles made good throws…I’m pointing out the Eagles didn’t score on long drives with Foles for 7 pts…which is a fact, is it not? Also my comments are in response to those above…I’m happy Foles played well, I was happy my team got the W…bottom line…but you can’t have it one way…you can’t complain about a QB and then not use the same complaints against the other….bottom line! And you know better than that Bugs, you see the biased in regards to Vick every day on here….sorry that I choose to step up and defend him when its overly biased….
I do see it Real, but I saw it in your posts above as well man.
This is the same arguments that we always have. Everybody has their guy and they defend him to the death whether that means ignoring faults or over hyping good play. The problem is that both sides don’t apply the same level of criticism/review to the guy that they don’t like. If their guy plays bad or subpar, then it was the lines fault or the other skill players not contributing. But when the other guy plays bad, then it is all on them. When their guy wins it is all on their shoulders, but when the other guy wins it is all thanks to the defense.
By the way the catch made by Celek, I was pointing out it was a great catch because I’ve been hard on Celek for dropping balls…had nothing to do with bad or good throw by Foles…just giving credit to the receiver, is that ok?
Many of you may not believe this but I like Foles…he’s a good kid and a great teammate! He does what is asked of him and is ready when his name is called…My favorite sport is basketball, and I watched a youtube video of the Eagles players at a charity event, Foles has a little skill on the b ball court too…But the starting QB of this team is Vick, who won it in training camp and preseason, in which we should be actually minus 1 poster because of it…
Real people drop balls for both QBs. I truly think if Vick was a better passing QB and used some touch instead of throwing the ball as hard as he can 90% of the time he would be more successful. I dont think at 33 that is gonna happen and to be frank this is a passing league and foles is the better passer.
when your the league leader in dropped passes at your position, that doesn’t matter? so as long as you don’t play the QB position you are off limits from critique? yes people drop balls, people also throw INTs, fumble, and over through receivers….point?
Who is the league leader of dropped passes at his position?
Are you talking about the 2013 season?
Guys if Foles gets the start this week, he will be going against a tough Tampa D. Let’s see how he does against them and then judge from that point.
I dont care who the qb is… as long as we put up 30 again we SHOULD win. Both seem good enough to run this thing. Both need to get the ball out, use the run game and pray our D stops someone.
Lets go birds.
haha. Can we start our own thread where speaking about either QB is outlawed. I would love to talk about the defense making some plays and actually getting the TEs into the gameplan.
I would like that Bugs!
How about Nate Allen…seems like every deep ball he’s always out of position…He played another inconsistent game…Wolff played pretty solid…I know he was involved in a play that gave up a TD, but overall Wolff was solid. Bradley Fletcher, isn’t the quickest but his contact and timing giving him the ability to break up a catch…is good! He played well…
Allen has been horrible his whole career. Dude must have pictures on somebody high up in the organization. They gave up a lot of passing yards, but they also made some plays to. Boykin was fantastic on Cruz and that INT was one of the best that I have ever seen. The only problem is that those turnovers were caused because of pressure that was created against a terrible offensive line. They haven’t been able to get that pressure against better teams. I think that Carey Williams is a pretty big disapointment, but again that could be due to poor safety play and zero QB pressure.
What are your thoughts on the 3-4? Stay the course or move guys back to where they are familiar?
I thought the 3-4 was going to be more Hybrid, with the 4-3 look…I think we should move one of the LB’s up a little more often (Cole, Barwin) and try to get pressure…I think we saw a little more of that yesterday…at least the OLB appeared to engage with the line a little more often….I think if they mix it up between 3 and 4 down linemen in the course of the game it could work, plus gives the offense more to game plan for…This way they’re still learning but still doing some familiar things…
Bugs…remember when we were talking about DJAX earlier this season and how many catches and yards…hes on pace to 90 passes and gain over 1600 yards, with 10 TD’s…not saying he’s going to get those numbers…but I think he’s going to get around that 70 to 80 catch mark…
Yeah, I am not seeing how the defense puts players in position to succeed.
You were right on DJAX. If he stays healthy. This offense is helping him with the real threat of the run. Too bad Maclin got hurt. They could really use him across the field. Cooper and Avant not giving them anything.
Coach says Vick is the starter until proven other wise . Media and a lot of fans say Foles should start. Either way I don’t think its going to matter because we have lots of issues on this team. Roll with 33 year old or see what a 24 year old has that is the question of the year.
there was no reason for Mike Vick to run into the end zone or leave the pocket on his last play of the game
just like there was no reason for Vick to wear a ski hat in 80 degree weather
i was texting my friends that. i was like vick is stupid he doesnt even know its sunny and 80 out. lmfao
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Actually the Eagles Won Yesterday so the Smart $$$ is on Foles..
It was extremely refreshing and nice to see an eagles qb throw the ball with touch, pull the trigger before the wr makes his cut, to see a qb throw a wr open, to grasp the game and anticipate plays and trust his players to make plays.
mike vicks major flaws in his game are no touch at all whatsoever on short and intermediate throws.
i think its a give mike is out this week for sure. at this point i would say keep mike at qb (even though i hate to say it) UNLESS foles goes out there and has a great game against one of the best defenses in football next week in tampa and by great i mean great like 300 yards+ 3 tds and 60+% completion %age.
chip made the decision to make mike our qb and you dont change that because of an injury you just cant and dont (hate to say it)
but foles can force coaches hand with a great game and a statement performance that would make the coach look like an idiot for not to keep starting him.
really really tough task for foles to do against an amazing tampa D which is coming off a bye.
if vick is out this week i think chip needs to draw up at least 20 new run plays which would be power run plays with the qb lined up under center. i think chip would also need to have foles line up under center for some pass plays as well. chip has stated he adjusts to his personnel lets see if he can back that up
Nick Foles should start against Tampa. Don’t rush Vick back from what ever he has going on with what looks to be hamstring related. If Nick plays well then we have something to talk about. It’s only fair that if Nick were to play well that he should have a shot at the starting job. Remember Vick did the exact same thing to Kolb. What goes around comes around I guess. I hope Kelly can make the running game appear for Nick so we can have a balanced attack against TB.
Vick
53.8% comp – 31st in league
5 tds (3.8% tds) – 19th in league
td% 3.8 – 20th in league (more important than actual # of tds)
2 ints – 2nd in league
int % 1.5 – 7th in league (more important than actual # of ints)
yrds/att 9 – 2nd in league
yrds/catch 16.7 – first in league (we’re #1, we’re #1!!)
yrds/game 237 – 21st in league
QB rating 90.6 – 13th in league
Sacks 14 – 20th in league
Sack % 9.6 – 29th in league
31st, 19th, 20th, 21st, 29th, 13th, 9th……..oh ya, there’s a 1st and a 2nd tucked in there!!!
I really don’t know how someone with such awe inspiring QB stats could ever be replaced. Anyone who would suggest such a thing is clearly a hater with his/her own hater agenda.
I coulda sworn he had 7 TDs total.
I know I know..when they happen on the ground they don’t count. lol
You do realize those stats you posted aren’t really helping your point right?
LMAO!!!!!! Let them make thier money off of MHENSKI, and VINNIE. They the real entertainers. Good Shit.!!!!!!!
kansas city chiefs 144 rushes 108 passes
That is why I hate that fat red headed slob. All the years in philly we begged him for balance and his stubburn fat rear kept passing every down. Now he suddenly knows how to run the ball. He’s a loser. and will choke again when they get to the playoffs.
Oh yeah…sorry. I guess I was supposed to say something about the Eagles.. Good game.
This team is going nowhere. The defense stinks as bad as a baby’s diaper that has not been changed for a couple of days…
Put Foles in. Show case him. Trade him and draft the Clemson QB. Another fine product from the Hampton/Penisula District in Virginia (where Vick came from)
He can throw for a ton of yards and is a beast running the football.
Haha, bsm still can’t let go of the fat man
It should be FOLES.
It should Have Been FOLES
MIKE VICK’S CAREER IS OVER (did it ever start?).
Foles is a better QB
Vick is a Better Athlete
Tell me something I did not know last January!!!!!!!!!!!
It was just reported Vick will be out next week n maybe two weeks, lets rally around Foles people and hope Chip comes up with a more balance game plan for him unlike the plan he had for him in the second half yesterday.
If Foles starts now, Vick will be pissed, and it will agitate certain sectors of the locker room.
IMHO, Foles has always been the choice at QB…Yes, I have heard all he bullshit about his arm, and ‘not being mobile’ , and other nonsense, but Foles simply has the skills and the football technical eye to be the first choice…He has the potential to be excellent BUT a young players career can be stunted by management short sightedness and indecision…Will Kelly have the balls to make the change and perhaps have to deal with some crap in the locker room.
In reality, nobody in this Eagles locker room has accomplished enough to grumble, with the possible exceptions of McCoy, Celek, Vick and maybe Jackson.
I think Kelly will give Vick another shot if he can play.
another shot? you cats act like the Eagles were losing, when Vick went out….I can see if the Eagles were getting beat, but that wasn’t even the case…this is just comical….
Ok- Foles it is. Nick- we believe in you. Good luck against TB…. lets hope the D steps it up again to give this man some support. q- can Vick play FS/SS? if so…. lets put him in cause we are getting LIT UP deep.
Some posters have pointed out that Kelly needs to run the ball more if Foles starts…I agree 100%.
Simple Mike Vick is the best QB on the team ! foles benefited from a demoralized defense who gave up once Eli started turning the ball over. Vick is a better passer…he proved that in preseason, a better athlete, and the teams leader…what we have to do is shore up the defense and stop worrying about QB
This might be the funniest post of the year…. now the excuse for foles outplaying vick is that the giants were demoralized
have you ever said a good thing about Vick in your life?
yes i have commented on this very site that I really admire his redemption story. I’ve also stated that he is as tough as nails (a compliment where i come from). Before this season i commented on his leadership and how important he is to most of the lockerroom… I don’t compliment his style of play because it is reckless and doesn’t lead to much winning. I love his strong arm as well– to me if he didn’t have that other god given talent of speed and elusiveness that he has relied on since he was 8 he would be a better qb…. that simple.
and i don’t like how there is always an excuse from his fans… drops, line play, bad coaching, no running game etc….
I’m sick of hearing about how slow Foles is, the guy gets the ball out quick, that’s the speed that counts! We haven’t seen this system hit a rythem yet, I think we will see that with Foles.
Think about this people, were one hit away from seeing Matt Barkley.
It’s just ridiculous to argue this point, it’s real simple. For Vick to be effective he has to run the ball. The more he runs the ball the more he will be injured. So, Vick fans and Foles fans will both get chances to see their man play.
Sooner or later the Eagles will have a QB that everyone agrees is the best for the job. We don’t have that now with Vick, and it has nothing to do with hate….Regardless what some people on this site think, Michael Vick is not a good passes and he never was. It has nothing to do with receivers.
Vick and Foles have the same receivers and Foles has a much higher completion percentage – it’s a fact……
Perhaps the posters saying that Vick has a better arm didn’t see the two passes to Jackson and the one to Celek…All three were either on the receivers hands, and in the case of the fade in the end zone to Jackson, exactly where it needed to be in the back right corner.
Now, Vick has a good live arm, but I believe Foles has the height to see the field better, and, consequently, be more precise with his passing…And, he has the arm to make those passes.
In any case, let’s not forget the defense, which actually made some big plays yesterday.
Oh, and Andy Reid is 5-0…Life is very funny sometimes.
Vick Has the better arm and acuracy. His height is definitely the issue, and I have seen this for a long long time. Chip wanted E.J. Manuel last year. If we got him Vick would be long gone. Ya……. Very sory to say. This team will only go so far with Vick. That Hamstring injury is a clear sign of his age. He missed out. He will never play an entire season again in his career. Sorry. But I think its a fact at this point.
vick has better accuracy ??? are you on quaaludes??
EAGLES WIN!!
They have 2 division wins, and the rest of the NFC East suck also….I refuse to get caught up into all of the bullshit about the qb’s. I am going to enjoy the win and look forward to playing a dysfunctional Tampa Bay team.
The constant posts on here by people who are fans of specific players and not this team is one reason that I have avoided the site for most of the year.
There are a whole lot more issues with this team than just the QB. Enjoy the win and look forward to watching them next week. Kelly is still a work in progress, and the more games he gets under his belt, the better we will be. We clearly are in need of some better players in key positions on both sides of the ball, but beating a division rival that knows your team very well is never an easy task.
GO BIRDS!! Happy Monday Eagles Fans!
Greenfan….I couldn’t have said it better my self! Especially the QB bullshit!!!
You cats are ridiculous on this site, take the win and be happy. Foles came in finished what Vick started and the defense stepped up and caused turnovers. On to Tampa anything else is just nonsense.
Durability — the Vick that won the QB competition against vanilla base defenses in the preseason and/or red practice jersey is not the same Vick after 4 games —
Nick Foles will have to demostate that he can play well with sprains, strains and black and blue injuries — 33 year old Vick has demonstrated he cannot
***Vick has been listed as Out for the TB Bucs***
Nick Foles will be the Starting QB with Matt Barkley as his back-up
More News ..
Raiders Release QB Matt Flynn who has fallen faster in the last 2 Years than the fake band “Milli-Vanilli” did back in the 90’s ….Good Grief
HA!!!
in other news (im so sick of this simpleton crap)….
Boykin had a great game.. and philly.com did a good article on him.
Paulman Rumor ***
Eagles Trade Mike Vick to the newly formed “London Monarchs’ for a
Dozen Tarts and GCobb Poster TS Johnson…
why is that the nfl network is reporting that josh Gordon is available and the 49ers and trying to trade for him the eagles need him in the worst way they need to pull the trigger and make this trade asap if they get him and foles has to start any defense that we play cant key on djack with gordan out there and he is 6″4 -215 and is a beast plus if the browns want a 2nd or a 3rd pick ill give it up they get them picks wrong every year any way hint hint Curtis marsh,teo, vinny curry, jacoun Jarrett, ryan moates,and list goes on and on so Howie time is yours make it happen
Report that Eagles have Offered the Brown’s the Following Package
2014 2nd Round Draft Pick, QB Mart Barkley,
RB Bryce Brown and OL Herremans for WR Josh Gordon and their 2014 5th Round Pick
Browns need a quality Young back-up RB,
and were high on Barkley and need OL Depth
A Win-Win for everyone
Joe Banner is now on the Clock
No 2nd, but a 3rd we give them Brandon Graham, and they give us a 2nd, and Josh Gordon, for Graham, Brown, Mathis, and Barkley, and a 3rd round pick.
Now we do the deal.
They don’t need or want Brandon Graham, Cliff.. nor are they going to give back a 2nd Round PIck,.. Are you Crazy…
The need a Young QB, RB & OL Help and are a potentially a Playoff Team this Year.. Their Defense is FIne..
There is a couple worse Defenses in the ZnFL right now
Anyone watching Geno Smith tearing up this pathetic Falcons Defense
Zero Pass rush, no one one to tackle and Assante Samuel playing his usual pussy self..
Watching Jets and Jaqwan Jarrett blow up everything that moves. Watching the Jets and watching thier 1st round dlineman picks Wilkerson and Richardson dominate while our 1st round pick Cox sucks. Unbelievable!
Agree dag….had the same thoughts.
The real question is whether it is poor drafting or poor coaching? I think that during the early years of Andy Reid he was stacked with good position coaches and of course JJ as D Coordinator…..the last 5 years he saw many of the coaches leave and he replaced them with poor coaches. We’re they bad talent evaluators or just poor position coaches, or worse both. What ever it is, we are paying the price right now with years and years of top round draft choices no longer on the team or unable to play at a high level.
NFC is wide Open with Teams like the Giants,
Vikings, Falcons, Redskins all way underperforming from last years Playoff Teams..
The Class of the NFC is Seahawks, Saints,49ers,Packers
With up and down Teams like the Cowboys, Bears,Lions,Cardinals
Eagles all in the hunt and bad Teams like the Bucs,Rams,Panthers
Struggling for any type of Consistent Offense
A big game believe it or not would be the Giants getting off the mat and beating the Bears to knock them down to 3-3 this would help the Sagkes big time if they were to go on and beat the Bucs
Lots of losing records in the NFC this far who have been taken a bearing from their AFC counterparts so far this Season in head to head match-ups which has gone against conventional wisdom
6 ft 6 in vs 6 ft …scanning the field ,not with mobility as much with his eyes..the linemen know and feel foles in the pocket .No matter how this plays out long term it’s a positive …neither qb has been prone to turning the ball over .The defense however is still the focal point.As much as it’s sexy to discuss qb controversy it matters very little ,I’d prefer concentrate on our back end and scheming a better pass rush to help the back end which still is our Achilles.With foles directing longer time consuming. Drives ,it allows for a rested defense .turnovers win games ,attitude on defense starts up front…I liked the two minute drill at the half ,there’s a time and place to play up-tempo …And there’s a lot of football and weather coming…utilizing the tight ends created mismatches all over the field,and run gaps will ultimately open as well.Coach ,its your time to game plan with foles at the control ,times yours ..go birds …
NFL wants the Broncos Cowboys game to be a more regular occurrence as the rules just favor Pocket passers that unload quickly to large targets that can break the now minimal Target Zone Tackles.
I hope that Defense wil begin to be emphasized soon or the integrity of the game will be all but gone.
That being said… Why would you want a QB who is the exact opposite of what the NFL rules are trying to protect and encourage???????
Does Peyton Manning struggle to get the ball down the field, score touchdowns??NO He ran for his first TD in 62 games according to many here he would never have a solid running game to support him (see not the superbowl he won) because he is not mobile enough to have a good running game. (WHAT THE JHGLIGJ) Foles is not and should not be compared to Manning however… He runs an offense more like what Denver does than that which I have seen from vick. Choose bird fans a winning formula or a Thoroughbred that is one misstep from the glue factory!
How in the hell do we draft Danny Watkins right before Muhammad Wilkerson? Esp when Wilkerson was playing college ball at Temple. Can you imagine Wilkerson and Cox on the same line. O yea I forgot Andy Reid.
Just as bad as drafting Daniel TEo Nasheim before Navarrow Bowman when they guy was playing local at penn state.
Stop blaming Reid! Howie Weaselman, had mostly all the say since 2009-2010. Get over the Hindenburg. He’s gone. All of the last 3 drafts, falls squarely on the bean counter!
I believe you are correct……
This is all Reid’s fault
No it isn’t. He’s the convenient scapegoat! Use your brain for something other than a skull filler, & not believe everything, what Limp wrist Lurie, & the butt slurping media fills your brain with! Dope!
The ‘O’ line has not jelled as expected this year.
Best medicine for an out of sorts ‘O’ line is a big dose of run blocking and running the football.
It will also help Foles beat the Bucs again this year.
C’mon everyone knew Mike Vick’s fragile little body wasn’t going to hold up —
if Mike Vick returns, how many quarters before that weak frame fails again (12-16 quarters?) with another 1-3 record for those 12-16 quarters?
I think its funny that the odds were set at 4.5 games and he came in “under”.
Jets have one of the Best Young DL in tbe NFL
With Wilkerson, Couples & Richardson
I wanted Wilkerson 3 Drafts ago and stated so many time Pre-Draft run up and GMCliff was very high on Richardson last Draft and mentioned him many times..
GMCliff mentioned everyone. He had 4 first rounders, 5 second rounders and 8 third rounders all be drafted by the eagles at the same time through trades more lopsided than Hershel Walker.
I also like Jets ILB Demario Davis from
Arkansas St as a mid-round Pick who is playing very well also
we want gordan
“This team is going nowhere. The defense stinks as bad as a baby’s diaper that has not been changed for a couple of days.”
@bsm videos- I agree 100% thanks for the logic (something that is so rare on here lately) and also for the much needed comedy relief too.. lol
Defense’s around the entire NFL are bad, it’s the way of the NFL now and has even spilled into the College Ranks.. Go check the Scores of the SEC/BIG 10 Conference Games ..Good Teams like Bama,LSU,Georgia, South Carolina are giving up Big Points points on a weekly basis as are the Ohio States,Penn States,MIch States, Nebraska,etc,etc.. Its the evolution of the Game and I don’t like it all.. When basic fundamental Defense is not Emphasized,Coached with younger Players at the High School & College Level, it sure is not going to happen at the Pro Level with any degree of consistentcy & success..
Look around the NFL
I see about 5 Decent Defenses
(Seahawks,Patriots,Bengals,Chiefs,49ers, Jets, Dolphins,Steelers & Bears maybe..
The Seahawks gave up 30+ Pts, the 49ers & Steelers have given 30+,s
the Bears have given up points… Given up less than 30 Pts (in the 20’s)
is like given up 17-20 from 5 Years ago… The Rules of Today’s NFL emphasized Scoring,Big Plays and lots of Points to help Ratings to increase the “excitment” of their Brand…
That was my point earlier.
Defense is being regulated out of the game and it sucks.
oh wow- cool. Good to see conversation about drafting and D.
Yes- D’s are being pushed out of the game… but the best way for this team to have a D that matters is to get play making DB’s. Its what Reid tried to do a few years ago at CB BUT>>> would not do at the FS/SS positions AND… he did not value the LB’s enough to be able to stop the run.
If i were the eagles…. i would trade for and sign free agent DB’s that have proven themselves and use draft picks for LB’s and DL man.
I say this because with this O- we should have LOTS of leads over the next few years…. we have the run game to run the clock… now we need DB’s to make that killer turnover at the end of the game (see SD game).
Run game, nah, the new nfl is a passing game, Vick and a run happy offense is a novelty, hers something to think about
With Vick at the helm the eagles have a run pass ratio at close to 60%in favor of the run probably higher, with foles it is around 65% in favor of the pass
Yet for these Vick clowns we here foles s a game manager, not a big time nfl qb, bull shit, they are morphing Vick into the game manager in favor of the run because they can’t trust him to toss the Rock with the frequency if your prototypical big time nfl quarterback. Nick foles has shown glimpses that this is his game. Kelly is learning. He will figure this out ifvhe hasn’t already
Go eagles
If he want’s to win in the NFL he will learn from the WHOOPING that the (not my term) STATUE Peyton Manning put on us. I mean a coach that loves points has to take notice of what Manning can do in a very chip like hurry up.
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