If there was a question about Foles ability to be successful in the Chip Kelly offense, “questions” now challenge the coach about what direction his 3-3 football team goes in.
Does Kelly stick with the veteran Michael Vick? The starter turned onlooker Sunday due to injury. Should Foles be rewarded for not only helping the Eagles to a second consecutive win, but playing at a higher level than most anticipated?
How does a guy like Riley Cooper all of a sudden appear as a passing option? Was it more Foles or Desean Jackson that led our primary receiver to his first ever two touchdown reception game in the NFL?
The run game remained a viable option. Successful and aggressive even without the run-option threat that Vick provided. There were a few run-option looks, and Kelly was even gutsy enough to call a designed quarterback run on the opening drive. Things just looked different yesterday, and different is both good and confusing.
Forgotten players become relevant again. The offense as it has all season long amassed over 400 yards, however it was controlled better. Foles should have taken the sack on a few plays where he threw the ball into areas that other teams would have intercepted, but he played a great game. Now what Eagles fans, do we close the door on the Vick era in Philadelphia? Or do we plug the veteran quarterback back into the starting role because an injury should not force a player out of his job?
The Eagles are returning home, welcoming the 3-3 Dallas Cowboys with sole possession of “first place” for the better team on Sunday. The dilemma for the quarterback decision must weigh “only” what Chip feels should be weighed. I think we all know what Vick is going to give us at this point in his football career.
If Vick starts the game versus the Cowboys and takes an unnecessary hit or fails to score when the Eagles enter the red-zone, the fans will be calling for Foles. It could be as early as the first drive of the football game, not something the Eagles need to be hearing from the Philly faithful as they play their hated NFC East opponent.
The Eagles have seen six quarters of what Foles can do with a solid offensive line and offensive weapons behind the play-calling of Chip Kelly. What we don’t know is the potential of Foles; we have a feel, a sense of “limitation” to what he could provide as a season long starter. We have our top three list of college quarterbacks with whom we feel could compliment the style of offense Chip Kelly runs. At the same time we are merely speculators of what the Kelly offense actually is.
The argument could be made for either Vick or Foles to start if Vick is healthy enough for week 7. There are attributes that each quarterback provides the Eagles that the other does not. His decisions are based on linguistics that extends beyond the norm for what most coaches revert to for electing their starting quarterback.
Vick will not be back next season. If Foles were to provide enough for Kelly to believe he could build a championship team around, a first round pick could be devoted to a playmaking wide-receiver, linebacker, safety or cornerback.
Vick earned the starting job for week one.
Foles has demonstrated enough for the week seven start.
Vick holding a clipboard for the remainder of the season would be a very expensive decision.
What’s it going to be coach? You like intelligence, and minimum turnovers. The big play potential is there with McCoy and Jackson. The release is quicker from Foles. You praised him during your tenure at Oregon and his play at Arizona. He is now on your roster; the opportunity for him to start and finish a game is part of your brief NFL resume.
This has been a season many storylines, so another one unfolding is just another chapter to the Chip Kelly saga. We will wait, anticipate and scrutinize when and what the decision is made. I vote Foles and I feel many of the players and coaches would agree with me.
Sources Report that Chip Kelly will Annouce Saturday that
QB Matt Barkley will be his Starter for the Cowboys Game.. Pure Genius..
the eagles actually save 500k for each game vick doesnt start
A drop in the bucket which has no bearing at all on whether he plays..
That.s Chump Change for Lurie and the Eagles Organization,..
Its time we close the chapter on Vick in Philly… Lets see what Foles full potential is gonna be as a starter with the 1’s. we need to know if he’s our guy going forward.
Which should have been the Gameplan since last January
10 games left, 7-3 wins division with a 10-6 record- I don’t think the Eagles can go 7-3 or Dallas. 9-7 probably wins division meaning 6-4 in final 10. Vick can’t play ten consecutive games in a row of winning football. Can Nick go 6-4 in the final 10? I don’t think so but I know Mike Vick can’t. We have to find out how Nick handles the sprains, strains and black and blue gut shots of an NFL season.
I really like what you just said. To quote eagles0super bowls, you linked Vick with “can’t” and that you don’t think Foles can. I believe you are spot on with that wording. I still don’t know, you don’t, we don’t and the coaching staff/players don’t know what Foles can really do. Vick has been around for a very long time, he has shown us what he use to do and still can do, make plays with his feet, sling the ball down the field with a flick of the wrist, and miss games due to injury. Is Foles the better option…I’m not sure, but I’d like to have answers instead of just assuming that Foles can’t get it done. What I do know, I hate the Dallas Cowboys. Dear Nick Foles, it’s time for you to hate them too, help bring us our first home victory in over a year!
Im telling you guys… with Nick or Vick under center this O is playoff ready. What the Eagles need to be doing is getting on the phone and seeing what we can land Via trade to upgrade this D.
There are teams out there that KNOW they are sinking…. we need to land a few pieces. This season is ripe for the taking….
1) FS- Paulman- do what you do best…. create a list of teams that are trash and find us a SS and a FS.
2) MLB- Listen guys… i like Ryans but he is not getting it done out there this season.
3) nt- our guys have filled in well but… we need a NT that can be here for the long term. Are there any sitting on a 4-3 team? Any teams that made the switch?
4) CB- I would have NO PROB at all landing a stud here.
5) WR- anyone out there that fits this system?
Stevo…I like the optimisism, and agree that with the shape of the NFC East, this team can be a playoff team his year, and that would be a great first step for Coach Kelly and his staff. But however, I do not believe that we are a “single player” away from taking it even further. As tempting as it would be, I do not want to see us trade away draft picks for next year in exchange for older players. Kelly is here for the longtime (at least I hope it works out that way). He is already close to matching the Fatman’s putrid record last year. They need to continue to keep the long term plans in place. I would trade a current player that doesn’t fit our future plans for a player to fit a need, but again, would stay away from trading away next years picks.
not sure why you quote me as saying “single player” when i did not say that… plus i listed 5 player needs. I am not saying we can grab all of these but a team like Buffalo…. what is Bryd worth to you? Do you really think they will bring him back? Why not shop him? that not only helps us this year but long term too (assuming we lock him up for years).
Ill be honest… i dont trust this FO drafting players on the D side of the field. What do we have to show for it?
Ok than Stevo…I just think that trades in the NFL are relatively rare compared to the other leagues. If you think that we can trade for the 5 or so players you think we need, than so be it. I don’t see it happening however.
I agree with you that the FO has not shown an ability to draft defensive players. I am holding out that with the addition of Tom Gamble to the player personnel department, that we may have better choices, however, with what we have seen from Howie and crew, it doesn’t lead to confidence in our drafts.
The biggest reasons is that Teams are usually locked into their Salary Cap Structure by Opening Week, therefore making it very difficult to take on new Contracts of other Players who aren’t on the Streets or Released from other Teams where they can get them for a League Minimum.. Not many Teams “Salary Cap Wise” still keep a contingency of a “What if’s Scenario’s ” once the Season is rolling but I still enjoy giving my Trade Alerts for fun anyways. ..
The defense has always been the problem the last 3 years. Take the worst defense the Eagles had between 2000-08, pair it with the offensive production the last few years, and we easily make the playoffs.
The last two games the defense has held the opposing offense to 21, forced turnovers, and hasn’t been a complete sieve. It helps we played two bad offenses. But we won ALL because of Foles.
Negative Skayne? You get all high and mighty preaching at everyone on here about how negative they are….but then you come on with the negative Foles comment.
Is it that you are so sensitive that anyone who dares utter the weakest criticism of Vick is labeled as negative in your eyes? Too funny to watch.
What did I say negative about Foles? Where in my post did I criticize him?
It’s too funny to watch you making shit up. My criticism is for people laying all the blame for our losses at Vick’s feet, when the defense has been the pressing problem around here.
Talk about anti-Vick bias before you put words into my post I never wrote.
Too funny. Your last sentence was a slap at Foles, are you too stupid to understand that?
I guess you are very sensitive for any criticism of MV. He is a big boy and doesn’t need yours or the others protection. He and Foles have both played well this year. Both seem to be ok with the way Kelly is running the team. Why all of the Vick fans can’t act the same way leaves me to wonder.
Too funny that your too stupid too understand it was a slap at Vick haters who blame Vick for everything.
It’s too funny to see that you never criticize Vick haters, who’ve dominated the conversation on this site,
Foles is a big boy, so when I don’t criticize him, you don’t need to make things up in order to leap to his defense.
And I’m an Eagles fan, first and foremost.
I apologize Skyne. You are not stupid. You are a hypocrit who is blinded by his worship of a single player over the team.
I apologize greenfan. You aren’t stupid. You are a hypocrite who criticize only those who have defended Vick, and is blind to the rampant Vick-hate on here.
Glad to see you are not negative Skyne, and very original, I hope that you used cut and paste to save time with that great post.
Believe it or not, the Eagles have actually WON the last 2 games but you appear very “negative” towards the team…can you explain that?
Once again, stop making things up. I was not negative towards the team. I was one of the few on this site loving the Kelly hire, and predicting us as division champs before the season, which got me into more arguments on this site.
You want negativity, look somewhere else. It was you who was sensitive, as if I slammed Foles. You’ve been real silent when the Vick haters post.
You’d have more credibility as site cop if you didn’t reserve criticism for those who’ve defended Vick, and not Vick haters who’ve been here far longer, and have been tireless in expressing that hate.
Funny how I’ve never seen any posts from you when those posters unfairly criticze Vick.
I see it too Skayne!
Whenever anyone says anything positive or anything to contradict a half ass stat thrown up here, they are considered vickpologists…but nothing can be said to those that constantly bash the man, due to deeper issues more than football…Its bullshit!
Exactly RealTalk, it’s the Vick bashers who’ve been unreasonable, not those who point out we had the number 2 offense with him at the helm.
Look in the mirror Skyne. It is YOU who are bashing everyone and declaring them as “negative” and referencing negadelphia. You are the “site cop”.
I just point out the double standard. We all know that Vinnie has lost half his mind over the Vick /Foles debate, why comment on his posts when I rarely read them? My point was focused on your hypocritical post calling others negative while dishing a negative comment. Get it?!
I said before and can say it again, both QB’s have played well under Kelly’s system. I think that Kelly’s play calling and overall coaching is getting better, but he is a rookie head coach and will probably still have some mistakes ahead. From my point of view he is a smart coach who learns from his mistakes, so that is a positive for all Eagles fans.
I think as fans this team has many more things to discuss, mainly the performance of the defense, rather than a QB debate. There are a lot of NFL teams that wish they had the QB problems that the Eagles have, so I believe our time is better spent elsewhere.
Skayne… was it really our defense being the problem against the Chiefs. Sure Avery burnt us on several third down and long situations, however our offense did very little that day besides turning over the football. Our defense is not good, we have some individual talent, and I believe if we scrapped the 3-4 for the rest of the season, our defense would be better off. 3-4 situational 10% of the time, stick with the 4-3 and we would be in better position. Guys look loss, like they are learning on the fly. Combine be “unsure” with not having the correct players to play thr 3-4, and you have the setbacks we see with our defense on a weekly basis.
In that game no, but it was the only game they weren’t at fault. Four turnovers in the first half killed us. But the defense did allow a game ending drive to put the game away, with several dagger conversions on 3rd and long.
They should move to a 4-3 one gap system. But this staff is enamored with this two-gap 3-4, which has us performing worse than last year. The strength of our defense is the d-line, but they neutralize that strength by two gapping. We have little talent in the secondary, but a consistent pass rush would cover up some of the defiencies. We won’t get that pass rush when guys have to two-gap so much.
Agree with this 100%. Put the players in a position to succeed.
The one thing in the NFL unlike the NHL, NBA and MLB is that it’s very difficult to make trades for decent talent. I’m not sure why this is the case, maybe because the NFC contract isn’t fully guaranteed like the other 3 major sports markets. I agree that help for our defense could keep is in games where offensive shoot-outs don’t take place. There are players on the Bucs, Jags and Bills that I would love to have suited up in the midnight green. Talib going from the Bucs to Pats last year is something you just don’t see happening too often in the NFL with a player like his skill-set. He was also trouble off the field, but even that doesn’t push too many trades in the NFL.
Jeff- one of the major reasons why is because in the past the trade deadline was MUCH MUCH earlier. So…. giving away a great player in week 3 meant that you were giving up on the season. That is not the case anymore… its still hard to do… but not as hard.
Appreciate the factoid, way to be clutch Stevo!
I love to play the game called “which one is Vick”
Basically I just post the stats of various QBs that have played a common oppo ent. VIck is always at or near the bottom f the list.
This week we will play “Which one is Foles”
VS Tampa Bay (choices are Foles, Geno Smith, Brees, Brady, and Palmer)
24 of 38 (63%) for 256 1td 1 int
24 of 46 (52%) for 322 1td 2 int
24 of 36 (67%) for 225 2td 1 int
21 of 38 (55%) for 248 1td 2 int
22 of 31 (71%) for 296 3td 0 int
LOL.
Anyone still debating who our starting QB should be is, as they say over here, completely loony.
Take away Foles first 1.5 games. Just humour me. Take away those first 1 and a half games – you know – to get acclimated to the NFL.
Since then….in 6.5 games…….
He’s 159 of 248 (64%) for 1818 yards 11tds and 2 ints
ARE YOU FREEKING KIDDING ME.
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL DEBATING WHO THE QB SHOULD BE?
Kid is 24 and will get better.
This debate should be (is) over.
I cannot, in any way, fathom why a new coach on a rebuilding team would not choose Foles at this point. If its Vick, then I have to start thinking about Jakedog’s idea of the word coming down from upstairs.
Caveat: Kelly has backed himself into a corner on this one….if he goes to Foles and the kid falters (he will) then the “put Vick in\’ shit immediately starts, and that’s not good for anyone.
That being said, I wonder what Vick thinks, watching a kid, in his 7t start, play QB the way he’s never been able to.
Vinnie- I will say this… the arm strength has gotten better. I really like what I have seen.
I have no issue with Foles getting the start. He looked much better this week then he did in the preseason. I will stand on my first comments on the subject….
I will support this coach and all his choices…
for at least 1 year… after that… i will complain like the rest of you.
if the nick Foles led eagles give Dallas an ass whipping the coach and front office will have no choice fellas. root for a big this week and Vick will where he belongs on the bench.
I am more worried our D will let us down than anything.
See… cares more about getting rid of his obsession than he does about the eagles winning the game.
I dont care how they win or who the qb is… just win.
My question is; If Foles looks great this Sunday but the eagles D blows the game by letting the cowgirls score at will- does Foles get blamed for the loss?Will any of you say he should have marched the team down the field to win regardless to how the D plays? I know for a fact that if/when Vick is in the same exact situation y’all do not hesitate to blame him. It will be interesting to see the comments on Sunday. If we are gong to bash let’s be equal opportunity bashers, that’s all I’m saying.
No you won’t see that concrete_marley! They will bash Vick for being injured and blame him for the loss. It doesn’t matter Vick will be blamed!
of course not, Marley! These cats have been exposed for what they are! 100% Hypocrites!
Its not hypocritical at all. Only a delusional idiot would say it is and expect a guy with what 7 starts to play and win games like an 11 year vet should. Why cant people grasp that? So do we expect Lane Johnson who has 6 starts now to look like Jason Peters or a 11 year vet with 100 games of experience? Its nonsense. Do you except any guy with that much experience around the league to play like a guy with 100 games of experience? If you go into a season with a vet QB who has 100 games of experience dont you expect more wins out of the team than going into the season with a QB with a couple of starts? If you are starting Vick at the beginning, you better not miss the playoffs. You dont start vets to win 5-7 games.
So based on common sense if Foles look great this Sunday but we lose the game 30-33, I will not put the same amount of blame on young QB vs. the vet QB. I would be the same way if the QB was Ej Manuel because its only logical. If Foles gets the start, in hoping we win Im looking to see if he can put up a better performance than the young guy who just played the Cowboys, RG3..
Young players are not suppose to look/play like vets after 7 games. And Vets are not suppose to play like young players with 7-8 games of experience. Thats reality of the NFL. It should be very simple to understand(its as easy as 2 +2), but yet some people clearly cant.
Players are professionals…when you have posters on here saying that Foles is better than Vick NOW…then hypocrite is for damn sure the right term to used. You are the same as the rest….You’ve never showed support for Vick…So you’re saying exactly what I said, Vick being blamed for not winning the SD game, even though our defense only forced 1 total punt all game…So instead of placing the blame at either QB, how about directing it at the elephant in the room the defense….But of course, that’s the point…
GTFO with that bullshit…I see what your trying to say, but when thought about in a deeper manner don’t make sense…with that logic, can we say that if Luck were on the Patriots Brady should be sat down…Luck looks better than Brady this season, hell I can even throw Rodgers in the mix….But is he better than Brady or Rodgers? hell no…at least not yet…
I expect you to defend yourself…the word hypocrite rang out to you huh….
Marley, do see how ridiculous you sound, you are now dealing with hypotheticals on Vick bashing
Most posters here like Vick a lot, but have been around football long enough, have lived through the Vick experience to know within a reasonable certainty how it will play out with Vick,just like some here soured on Reid, it wasn’t personal with Reid and it ain’t personal with Vick
Also, do you hold foles up to the same expectations you would an eleven year veteran
What’s your take on foles performances this year, do you see growth, potential, do you want to see if he-can be the qb of the future
Get off this”hate”bs, it’s not wellfounded and it’s gay
Why are all of these posters in such a bad mood this week? The team has won 2 games in a row….they are in first place in the division….we are playing DALLAS this week…but all of the talk is about hypotheticals?
I guess there are some very obvious agendas with the posters on here, and they don’t include supporting the team or recognizing what is the best direction or move for the team. The funny this is there was a great article by Ruben Franks about how well Vick and Foles get along and how well they support each other. I wish that the supporters of each player would realize that this is a very common situation faced by teams…there is no reason that fans cannot support both players acn hope for the best when each is in the game. Instead we get blind loyalty that discounts results and instead gives up a laundry list of excuses.
IT IS DALLAS WEEK PEOPLE !!
LET’S FOCUS ON BEATING THE COWGIRLS !!
GO BIRDS !!
amen. this is what im talking about.
Im shedding all the negative simpletons…
Lets go birds!!!!
exactly greenfan, enough of all this bullshit, foles or Vick, , I dont’t care if Mike Vick starts and wins it on one leg, hes not my choice at qb, but I don’t make the decisions, and as you say foles and Vick probably would be laughing there asses off if they read all this pussy talk about hating, bashing with all this back and forth
But you are correct, we are calling on all ealges fans, not foles fans or vick
fans but eagles fans, cant wait to see the eagles roll over Romo and the cowboys
I hate the Cowboys. It’s never mattered to me where the Eagles or the Cowboys were at in the standings, come game-day all I was concerned with was anything needed to come away with the win. It’s week 7, and both of us are 3-3. I would love to see our big free agent aquistion burry Romo into the grounds of the Linc. I would be Cary William’s biggest fan if he out a hit Dez that forced a t.v. “time-out.” I want the cameras to zoon in realy close on the disgust Jerry Jones has on his face as McCoy rushes for his second touchdown of the day. I want Garrett to be in disbelief that his attempt to double cover Desean Jackson failed completely. I’m fired up….For Eagles fans who down-play that this is no longer the rival it once way….look at the stupid “star” for a few minutes, channel that inner hatred, and if and when you see a fan in our city, claiming they are a Cowboys fan, you do what you need to do to remind them this is Philadelphia and what we think of their joke of a football team.