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Nick Foles May Now Be Competing With College Quarterbacks

NickFoles4I don’t know how long Nick Foles will need to continue playing at this level to secure the starting quarterback job, but a performance on Sunday against the Cowboys would put him fairly close to it.   Anybody who can see would have to admit that Foles is closing in on winning  his battle with Birds veteran quarterback Michael Vick for the Birds starting quarterback spot.

Chip Kelly says, “there’s been no drop off”  when talking about the play of Foles so far in taking over for Vick.  Truth is there’s been an improvement.  To top things off, Foles was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week today for his performance against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

He’s got to keep this up of course to keep the job when Vick gets healthy, but the young man is currently playing at a very high level.

Vick was talking about his hamstring a lot more this week than he was last week, which doesn’t make sense, unless you factor in Foles’ performance against the Bucs.

How can you replace a young quarterback like Foles, who is playing as well as any other quarterback in the league with a veteran quarterback like Vick, who hasn’t won a playoff game in nearly a decade?  I know Vick’s speed fits this system better than Foles’ but you just can’t take a guy who is playing as well as he is out of the lineup.  Add to that, the fact you have a young football team, that’s building for the future.  We all know that if it weren’t for the fact Kelly really wants a quarterback who can run, Foles would be his guy.

I think Foles is now competing with college quarterbacks for the Eagles starting signal caller job in the future.  Kelly knows that a speedy quarterback makes his running game more potent, so Foles has his work cut out for him in competing against guys who are still in college.

Depending on how the Birds feel about the quarterback position at the end of the season, they may get the chance to draft any of the following college signal callers:  Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville, Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M, Marcus Mariota of Oregon, Tajh Boyd of Clemson, Braxton Miller of Ohio State, or Bret Hundley of UCLA.

All of these guys are more mobile that Foles, but will they be better.  Foles has shown he can play and excel at this level.  He hasn’t shown that he can do it over time, but these college players haven’t shown that they can even play on this level.  Still they ave Foles’ competition.

If he wants to discourage the Eagles from using their top draft pick on a quarterback, he’s got to blow away the field with his play the rest of the season, which won’t be easy.  In addition, he can’t get hurt.

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DCar
DCar
October 16, 2013 1:08 pm

G, I think this article is going to hurt a lot of feelings on here, because they can’t use the race, or hate card to the author. Truth hurts. It’s a shame the dumb@$$ coach, & inept GM, didn’t realize what any sensible, reasonable fan with a brain, already knew. Vick isn’t a good QB, never was, is old, injury prone, & should have never been brought back, on a rebuilding team, that wasn’t winning a SB, anyways. It only takes a reasonable, rational mind, to see that. Foles should have started the season, & if he flopped, this years draft is loaded, with 7-9, highly talented, future starters in the NFL. Nothing is guaranteed, but this years class looks very deep, with quantity, & quality, especially if the kid Hundley comes out. I don’t like Manziel though. He’s small, & a nut-job.

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 1:58 pm
Reply to  DCar

well said. especially on the first post of the article

jakedog
jakedog
October 16, 2013 2:32 pm
Reply to  DCar

Do you think chip Kelly is really that stupid? In all instances, conversations, moves,chip Kelly comes across a very intelligent , except for this decision to bring back Vick

DCar
DCar
October 16, 2013 11:51 pm
Reply to  jakedog

jake, I should have worded it better. Should have said, his early stupid decisions, ala coaching staff, bringing back Vick, mind-boggling draft picks & FA signings (he said he has final roster decisions). He seems to be a personable, smart guy. He isn’t a “Genius”, like the unwarranted tag, that has been loosely thrown out there, by a lot of the fans, & the butt slurping media. He needs to do much more to sell me, because so far, he hasn’t made many good moves, has made many in game mistakes, & is a work in progress. I know we all want to cleanse our existences of the Hindenburg era, but lets not get out of hand, with the Kelly Idol worship, that many have already partaken in.

summup
summup
October 17, 2013 12:42 pm
Reply to  DCar

Look stop it. Michael Vick or any quarterback that has that type of skill set is curtailed for Chip Kelly system I’m convinced that it’s a strong possibility we lose that game depending on how well the offensive line plays with Vic Who cares how the offensive line plays he has the ability to get out of trouble himself. it’s not a white or black thing it’s a skill set thing and also don’t act like G Cobb is the guru of all he’s been dead wrong numerous and I mean numerous of times I don’t care if the quarterback is black white or green as long as we win a Super Bowl in the future

Xevious
Xevious
October 16, 2013 1:40 pm

Can’t agree with you more G. If you play Foles the rest of the way and he plays lights out you get a 1st round defensive stud….If he fails it helps two fold, One we lose games and get a higher draft pick. Two we know he can’t do the Job and we take a QB. I thought this was the best option since preseason. I do think the defense will get better by the end of the season but I would still like to see us have a QB in place and take a first round Safety or CB….But thats just me. Let’s hope Foles plays well so we can do just that.

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 1:56 pm

congrats nick foles on the player of the week!

chip kelly looks as legit as they come!

Eagles future is bright!!

My 3 pack of suggestions to the Eagles:

1.) dont be a jagoff and give Vick the job back CHIP
2.) ditch the midnight green uniforms
3.) ditch the fight song, this aint college were you need to get the girls involved and encouraging men to sing some corny cheer is awful

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
October 16, 2013 2:06 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Well deserved for Foles, he was the best QB in the NFC to suit up this week!

greenfan
greenfan
October 16, 2013 2:07 pm

G good article. I have been having similar thoughts for weeks now. I really like Marcus Mariota, and obviously believe that he can do all of the things that Kelly wants from his QB, but I also want my team to win. Each game we win makes it less and less likely that we could draft a high level QB. While I think Foles has had some good performances, and is playing even better under Kelly’s playcalling, I am not completely sold. We have seen too many QB’s show flashes of brilliance, only to flame out to the fans disappointment….Bobby Hoying anyone? No easy answers.

I know that they are many on here that would still ask, “Why not Mike”, but given his age and injury history it would be doubtful that Kelly would want to hitch his wagon to an older vet….however, we thought the same thing last year and they proved us wrong, so who knows. Stranger things have happened, but that would probably be a longshot.

Regardless of our opinions it will be Kelly and Roseman’s decsion. The play of Nick Foles in whatever time he gets will certainly play a big role in the decsion. Selecting the correct QB for the franchise can make or break an organization, but we also have many many holes on the defensive side of the ball that will also need to be addressed to get this team further down the road to a championship.

GO BIRDS !! BEAT THE COWGIRLS !!

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 2:20 pm
Reply to  greenfan

not sold on nick either but very intrigued and i have thought the goal all along shouldve been to see if this kid can play with the best of em and see if he is good enough to win a superbowl… nows the time you gotta figure that out.

chip & company would have to be retarded if they go back to vick unless nick makes a fool of himself this week

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
October 16, 2013 2:08 pm

I’ve always felt like foles should be the starter I felt like Andy gave up on Vick last year when he still played foles when Vick was healthy who cares if he run or not I mean it would help even more if he could but nick takes better care of the ball takes what the defense gives him and has good pocket presence I said if Andy was still here I don’t even think Vick would be on the team next year draft every pick should be on Defense and any offense should be addressed in free agency or via trade.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 2:26 pm

Nick Foles is not competing for a Starting spot with none of the College QB’s in the draft, because NONE, of those QB’s is better than Nick Foles right now…NONE OF THEM!! That includes :Teddy Bridgewater of Louisville, Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M, Marcus Mariota of Oregon, Tajh Boyd of Clemson, Braxton Miller of Ohio State, or Bret Hundley of UCLA.

Don’t get caught up in their highlight reels, because that means nothing in the NFL.

GET READY FOR ABSOLUTE BUST: Johnny Manziel, Braxton Miller, Marcus Mariota, and Taj Boyd….You heard it here first,,,,,,,

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 2:44 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

even if nick turns out to not be the guy i roll with him and barkley next regardless and if suck get jameis winston the year after

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 3:20 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Mhenski, don’t you think it’s advantageous for the Eagles to fix the Defense?

I know you pay attention, so I know that if Foles is reasonably successful overall this year. You are one person that would be all for making this Defense as potentially dominant, as the Offense, as opposed to going through the process of investing a high draft pick in another QB, that may not be better than Foles is now.

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 3:42 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

hell yea gmcliff. ive been wanting a smash your fucking face in run game for a decade and while this run game is not that style ill take it as it is producing results and looks great.

ive also wanted a smash your fucking face in Defense for 5ish years now, in reality maybe more than 5 years…

so yes, this D = fix the Defense at all costs.

the remainder of 2013/2014 season foles is the man – see what you got
2014 nfl draft – get defense defense and more primarly focused on the back 8…

2014/2015 season foles is the man if he has reasonable success this year and if not give barkley a shot (who i think is terrible)

2015 draft if you learn foles isnt your guy and neither is barkley pull a mike ditka and do whatever it takes to get jameis winston

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 6:25 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I absolutely agree Big Mhenski!!…LOL!!!

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:07 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gmc, they blew their chance in upgrading the defense with young talent, in last years draft. As we both stated. This years draft, is very light with talented secondary prospects. But FA is loaded with secondary upgrade, so they better grab 2-3 more FA’s. No excuses, with still having $20M+ under the cap. Williams, Chung, Allen, Coleman need to go. I’d keep Fletcher, Boykin, Wolff as nickel/ dime & BU’s.
2014 free agents
CB’s- Antoine Cason, Charles Tillman, Tim Jennings, Sam Shields, Vontae Davis, Brent Grimes, Aqib Talib, Aaron Ross, Aaron Berry, Tracy Porter, Brandon Browner, Antoine Winfield, Perrish Cox, Alterraun Verner.
Safeties- Jairus Byrd, Major Wright, T.J. Ward, Chris Clemons, Malcolm Jenkins, Donte Whitner, Bernard Pollard.
Almost all of them, are upgrades- major upgrades, to the slop we have. As for the draft, it is loaded with QB’s, LB’s, WR’s, & DT/ NT. That should be our targets in the draft. NT, LB’s, WR, DF depth.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 7:06 pm
Reply to  DCar

Right DCar, I think with the Secondary, Free Agency may be the way to go, and draft some potential talent in the later rounds like 3-5 rounds, and concentrate on LB, OG, and WR in the draft. Maybe even TE, because outside Celek we don’t have one. Zach Ertz is an overgrown WR option…maybe.

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 11:47 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

TE? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! LOL!

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
October 16, 2013 3:19 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I am with you on these. Manziel probably gonna get crushed/takes too many chances, Miller/Mariota/Boyd are not accurate enough in my opinion to be NFL QBs. I like Hundley the best out of that group, but he still needs a lot more seasoning and could potentially stay in school another year.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 16, 2013 3:57 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Beware this source also predicted Russell Wilson couldn’t play in the NFL

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 4:06 pm

russell can play in the league but im not sure he is all that legit. his success is directly tied to that D and lynch. however thats what he has and plays within that. curious too see him develop and see what he can do when he is forced to pass a bit more.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 16, 2013 4:10 pm
Reply to  mhenski

I just like poking GMCliff because of his awful previous scouting reports.
GMCliff — Jerod Mayo has been put on IR for the year. Jamie Collins will be the starter- game on!

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 6:28 pm

I told you it doesn’t matter, he and the others I gave you are going to have better careers than the ones Howie drafted. I don’t have to keep up with it. You keep bringing up because, You’ll be witnessing it soon enough. Ansah has already started the process, making a bigger impact than Lame Johnson….

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 16, 2013 7:39 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Lane Johnson has thoroughly out played Ziggy the last two games, not all 6 but the tide has turned. If you still stubbornly consider Lane Johnson a non player you stand alone. Lane Johnson doesn’t last to the 4th selection in a redraft.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 11:42 pm

I laughably disagree, and I am not alone. The television experts can see who is the player, and who is not.

You are the one in denial, after witnessing him give up 2.5 sacks per game over the first 5 games. NFL Network said,” If Lane Johnson doesn’t make the same mistake twice, then why has he made the same mistake in getting beat in protection at least 2.5 times per game?”

I pose the same question to you….LOL!!!! YOUR A JOKE, WITH YOUR RATIONALIZATION OF A BELOW AVERAGE PERFORMANCE. YOU SOUND LIKE HOWIE ON WIP EVERY WEEK……His draft picks blow, and you know it…..LOL!!!!

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:17 am

Lane Johnson sucks! Ziggy is playing well (3 sacks, 2 FF, many hurries). Best rookie thus far.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 17, 2013 7:47 am

LOL Lane Johnson is thy stud of the offensive lineman drafted in the 2013 draft. go ahead rank them? Here are the OL to rank:
Eric Fisher ( yahoo has an article calling for his benching)
Luke Joeckel – out for year
Lane Johnson – successful selection
Jonathan Cooper – out for the year
Chance Warmack – successful selection
DJ Fluker – starter but struggling
Justin Pugh – starter but struggling
Klye Long – successful selection
Menelik Watson- zero snaps on a bad OL
Larry Warford – successful selection
Terron Armstead – zero snaps inactive
Dallas Thomas – zero snaps
Hugh Thornton – successful colt pick
Brennan Williams – zero snaps
above mentioned are all OL drafted in first 3 rounds
GMCliff rank the OL for the 2013 draft? If Lane Johnson sucks then who is better than him? I know Lane Johnson doesn’t last to the 4th selection — Go ahead on a redraft where does him fall?

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 4:39 pm

Your point of view is misguided because Lane Johnson has NOT played well.

I don’t care about snaps, or starts, because when he is in the game he has shown he is an outright project. You are trying to defend Howie, when it’s obvious his draft stinks. Your delusional E0S…..lol!!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 6:26 pm

SO WHY SHOULD YOUR CREDIBILITY BE RESPECTED E0S?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 16, 2013 7:35 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

the challenge was Howie Roseman vs Cliff Dorsey and Howie is smoking the author of the Gus Bradley article ( another dumb GMCliff decision) — I would have selected Sharif Floyd(23) and Larry Warford(65) with the 4th and 35th at the time of the draft which is when I conceded Howie was better than me when I found out how far I would have over drafted them in respect to their true draft value.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 11:47 pm

Howie isn’t the measuring stick.

I too stated I would have traded down, and got more picks, and got who I wanted, and not based on what Howie did. THAT’S WHAT YOU CHALLENGED….Howie Roseman, sucks as a GM…..

I JUST FLATTERED YOU. DON’T THINK FOR ONE SECOND THAT I TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY……LOL!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 11:48 pm

and Sharif Floyd has been a bust so far FYI

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 17, 2013 7:20 am
Reply to  gmcliff

LOL, Philly’s own and George Washington alum Sharif Floyd is a successful pick. Kevin Williams is an UFA and won’t be resigned and Floyd will be the full time starter next year. But he is playing half the game now as a 22 year old DT.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 4:41 pm

He has done nothing!! Ziggy Ansah, has thourghly proven himself as the better rookie.

I said that Wreh Wilson was playing behind Alteern Verneer, in his contract year , and you said he was a bust…i like your double standards….

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 17, 2013 7:18 pm

GMCliff – you can get a good look a Sharif Floyd on Monday Night. Local Kid excited to see him play in prime time. He is in a 3 man rotation getting massive field time.
We get to check out Jameis Winston in a top 5 ranked match up against Clemson’s Boyd — A lot of talent on the field in that game. Loaded with blue chip talent.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 11:08 pm

Mute issue with Sharif Floyd as far as I am concerned……..

He wasn’t all that coming out of College in the first place, and he is not a better prospect than Ziggy…..

You know I know who Winston is, I am the GM Brother, like it or not. My evaluation of him is incomplete because I believe he needs to stay in school for more seasoning.

Good PROSPECT, that lacks a little in the fundamentals of reading defenses, and passing skills. that I believe may come with experience IF he works on his game.

He is not experienced enough in Big Games, AS OF YET, to say he is a better prospect than Teddy Bridgewater, or Brett Hundley at this time, but I do like his promise,….. but We’ll see.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 11:13 pm

and how convenient touting Larry Warford who GMCliff screamed for to replace Herramans that whole summer……

GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF MY POCKETS!!!!!!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 6:31 pm

So did a lot of other NFL GM’s in reference to Russell Wilson. He was one hiccup, out of the 13, I mocked when he was drafted. I was still 85% accurate.

Maybe he should beware of your hyping Trent Richardson…..

runtheball09
runtheball09
October 16, 2013 2:32 pm

If Kelly is so smart he’ll adapt with a throwing QB. Seems like Belicheck and Sean Peyton have no problem slinging the ball and running with RB’s. So sick of this running QB mentality. It’s a disease.

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 2:49 pm
Reply to  runtheball09

yep sure is a disease. but its more of national media type thing, no qbs really even run this year except for rg3 and prior… these beasts in the nfl will kill mother fuckers running around like jackasses.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
October 16, 2013 2:52 pm

Take away files first start and since then:

6.5 games

65% 1800 yards 11tds 2 ints

That is light years ahead of just about any rookie qb I’ve ever seen.

It’s light year’s ahead of mv7.

Any more talk if rookies or Vick is dumb.

Foles plays for the rest if the year to see if he can keep up his HIstoric run

Stevo
Stevo
October 16, 2013 2:53 pm

Well done G. These are great points.

There is no doubt that over these last few months Foles has been getting stronger with his deep throws. I for one would LOVE to see him get better and better. It would be great if the birds could use their top pick on someone in the secondary.

Xevious
Xevious
October 16, 2013 3:14 pm
Reply to  Stevo

I totally agree its the one area we can really upgrade fast. I do like Fletcher though.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 16, 2013 3:54 pm

Pilfered from Sal Pal on Espn,
3rd down passing this season
Foles—————-vs.———Vick
80%——–completion pct—-41%
53%——–1st down pct.—–29%
8.6 yds—-yards per att ——4.9yds
84————–QBR ————-52

mhenski
mhenski
October 16, 2013 3:54 pm

great stat and the #1 thing that does is keep this pussy ass D off the field

pheags88
pheags88
October 16, 2013 4:21 pm
Reply to  mhenski

EOS, I heard that stat too. Last week I was saying Vick has been terrible at the most important areas for a NFL QB. He has been terrible on 3rd down and in the redzone. Foles has been much better here, its not even close. Foles has also been way better in the 4th quarter than Vick has also, I don’t even think Vick has a 4th quarter TD pass all season.
If you are a veteran QB and you suck in the most important facets of the position (3rd down, redzone, 4th quarter,) and on top of it you get injured AGAIN after 4 games, you will not get credit from real Eagle fans.

The Qbs coming out next year are obviously appealing. I haven’t had the chance to watch all of the mentioned guys a considerable amount. the one I have watched the most is Johnny Football, who has done the best in college. I just wouldn’t use a first round pick on him due to his size and attitude. I need to watch more of Mariotta and Bridgewater (their competition just scares me). Boyd looks great in college too. (I wouldn’t mind Sammy Watkins at all in the first round tho).

But like G said, its an unknown what these guys will be against NFL talent. If Foles starts the rest of the season and continues to play well, he would be my starter. If Foles starts the rest of the games and starts to really digress, then Im all for drafting one of those QBs. The sooner we find the Qb for the future, the sooner we get a shot at the SB

greenfan
greenfan
October 16, 2013 4:21 pm

No doubt the stats point at Foles, but Foles has only played 6 quarters versus 18 quarters for Vick. You need to get closer to an equal sampling to be able to draw a conclusion, but with MV’s injury continuing, we should get more time to evaluate Foles. Those are pretty good numbers that Foles is showing there, for the sake of the team let’s hope they can continue to have a high success rate on 3rd downs.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
October 16, 2013 5:04 pm

The point is…. As I and others have stated…Foles is the starter unless he melts down which I do NOT expect.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
October 16, 2013 5:05 pm

I hope Foles is Kelly’s Brady! and we start ripping off wins and building the ENVY of the league for a Decade.

Butch007
Butch007
October 16, 2013 5:24 pm

Those high round picks would be better spent on a beast of Nose Tackle or OLB or a safety.

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:21 am
Reply to  Butch007

Agreed Butch. Safeties, are better well spent in FA. Draft prospects are sparsely talented.

andrew p
andrew p
October 16, 2013 5:33 pm

Just read the Cowboys just released Jay Ratliff, he was a 4 time pro bowler in the 3-4 D, I know he has some injury problems but is suppose to be ready in the next two weeks, if I’m the Eagles I’m picking him up and cutting Trent Cole, Cole has been a ghost this year, I would love to see Ratliff on the other side of Barwin, it would be a total upgrade.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
October 16, 2013 5:49 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Um Ratliff Plays on the LINE (NT/DT) not a LB. Do you ever watch football?

He would not be on the other side of Barwin!

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:22 am
Reply to  RegalEagle

No he doesn’t. He plays Madden.

paulman
paulman
October 17, 2013 4:55 pm
Reply to  DCar

Ratliff is in no Football Shape and hasn’t taken a competitive snap since last year and is not going to help anyone here in 2013 ..
Has some bagger and conditioning nad work ethic issues as well.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
October 16, 2013 5:43 pm

We want Ratliff

Butch007
Butch007
October 16, 2013 5:45 pm

You have to really see what he does against Dallas.

andrew p
andrew p
October 16, 2013 6:29 pm

Excuse me RegalEagle, then I would get rid of that D Lineman we got from San Fran who has done nothing for us and put Ratliff in his spot, either way, he’s an upgrade!

Xevious
Xevious
October 17, 2013 6:51 am
Reply to  andrew p

Ratliff Hasn’t played in a year….He had a tendon pulled off the bone he isnt playing till next year. Good thing your not running the team.

stachichach
stachichach
October 16, 2013 7:24 pm

Foles does good vs cowboys. Keeps job. Sucks? They go with Vick. That’s all.

paulman
paulman
October 16, 2013 7:47 pm

This 2014 Draft Class is pretty weak on the Defensive side of the Ball
Lots of good LB’s but Secondary and DL Blue Chip Prosoects are not plentiful at all at this point ..
Eagles need 5 Players on Defense
A Stud DE, another OLB, a Safety,a CB
and a MLB to be a Top 10 NFL Defense

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 16, 2013 8:07 pm
Reply to  paulman

Howie drafts best player available now LOL
is CB weak again in 2014?

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:23 am
Reply to  paulman

Agree 100% Paul.

larrwd
larrwd
October 16, 2013 8:42 pm

The problem is when defenses prepare properly and shutdown mccoy becuase theyre not worried about foles running.. Then we will see how good he is. He needs to be able to run.. I think hes ready though.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
October 16, 2013 9:09 pm
Reply to  larrwd

Put the pipe down and step away from what ever you are smoking dude. Tampa Tried to shut shady down with foles in the game. They could not. Want to know why?

BALANCE

We have a pocket passer that is a true threat in the passing game and we have a Running back that is a true threat in the running game.

By each player being good at his role every play becomes a choice for opposing defenses cheat Run , Cheat Pass?

They cheat run you Play Action like Peyton and burn em DEEP.

They cheat pass and play off you gash em for 5-7 a clip.

Thats REAL FOOTBALL

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:25 am
Reply to  larrwd

larrwd=retarded, imbecilic, Vick slurping non-fan of the team. Enough said….

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
October 16, 2013 9:11 pm

I stated that with FOLES in the game you would see a team function in coordination and each piece would “DO THEIR JOB”.

Tell me I was wrong.

Waiting……………….

paulman
paulman
October 16, 2013 9:35 pm

DL Ratliff hasn’t played or practiced Comprtitive Football since last December and is not in any Kind of Football shape to help anyone in 2013
Picking him up now for 2014 & beyond is an idea, but he won’t help anyone this season and has had a few injuries, work ethic & conditioning issues the last couple of seasons with the Cowboys..
I could see the Patriots taking a look at him since DAt Wildork is probably done for his Career…

jakedog
jakedog
October 16, 2013 10:02 pm

Gm cliff, paulman, and dcar, I have called them out sometimes tongue and cheek, sometimes angry, and sometimes after a half belly of bourbon, knob creek or bookers noe

But on balance these guys know their shit more than any three on here, I could learn it, study up, but don’t have to based on the posts they put out here

Gmcliff in particular he called it a long time ago about foles, jake saw it too, paulman also, dcar skeptical still, but you folk need to listen up to these posters

Learn your place, listen up to the wise owls

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 16, 2013 11:52 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Paul said he would be traded, but he does know his stuff, I am his biggest fan.

paulman
paulman
October 17, 2013 10:44 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I did mention Foles being Traded for I really wasn’t sure that Chip Kelly would give him a chance to Play in his System and there were 2-3 Teams interested in him (Jets & Browns).. But I wanted FOles to be the man all 2013 and was not supportive of Vick Returning in 2013 at all for I just didn’t understand the rationale to bring a 33 Year Old, history of Injuries, etc,etc tto run a new System with a new Coach in rebuilding year..

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:26 am
Reply to  jakedog

8D

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:28 am
Reply to  jakedog

jake, while I’m still skeptical, because he only has a handful of games under his belt, he shows me a lot of balls, poise, accuracy, quick decisions, gets rid of the ball quick, & doesn’t take sacks. We’ll see.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 11:15 pm
Reply to  jakedog

TESTIFY JAKE BABAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turk
Turk
October 16, 2013 10:12 pm

If Foles keep playing well what’s the point of drafting a QB with you first pick when your defense need help in the worse way. Just like the Eagles always drafting the wrong damn players we should be having Earl Thomas and Luke Kuekley on our defense. They always try to out smart themselves your need is on defense.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
October 16, 2013 10:47 pm

Absolutely the need is Defense.

Defense will increase the points we score! (huh?) YES

Imagine how many more points per game we could score with 2,3 or even 5 more Possessions each game.

That will come when our Defense gets off the Field on third and long.

NuGreembol
NuGreembol
October 16, 2013 11:48 pm

Teddy Bridgewater is really not a runner he has a ton of pocket presence and poise but he is rail thin and almost never has any pressure on him when throwing.
Braxton Miller I don’t like as an NFL passer he has a great arm but he just doesn’t seem to be an NFL caliber decision maker
Love Johnny football puts the ball on the money makes plays fearless has a magic like ability in the pocket, but he is tiny and I can’t see him getting away with tossing the ball up for grabs like he does in the NFL
Bret Hundley has a ton of talent really smooth player but he is not a day one starter
Tajh Boyd prob the most pro ready player but he also is starring right at the ceiling of his potential
Marcus Mariota has the best combination of size running and passing ability, but he prob won’t ever have the kind of passing game that Foles has from passing so much in his career from high school till now.

Point is don’t reach for a QB if we don’t have to. There will be another QB to come out 2015, 2016, 2017 and if Foles is not the answer we should have a defense ready to help our young QB along. Draft DL and LB. This secondary can be serviceable with a better pass rush. Boykins is a playmaker Hughes is a solid cover guy, Carry struggles in coverage but he makes up for it tackling in run support and not letting his bad plays become worse. Give Wolf a chance and look for another veteran safety.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 12:00 am
Reply to  NuGreembol

I love it NuGreembol!!

But Boykins, Hughes, and Wolff, are special teams personnel, and backups not starters. Howie drafts average talent, and advertises them as being diamonds in the rough, to give the impression that he is smarter than we think he is.

He cannot evaluate talent period. We need, Linebackers to rush the QB in this 3-4, we need a complement to DeSean, we need stouter talent on the Offensive Line at the Guard Position, and a fall back on after this Lane Johnson experiment comes to an end, and we definitely need secondary help, which we should get from free agency, as opposed to the draft excursively.

NuGreembol
NuGreembol
October 17, 2013 12:14 am
Reply to  gmcliff

def didn’t mean hughes, he is a bum but I think you are wrong about Boykins, Wolfe im not sure yet but as a young player he is ok so far besides that pass to Decker. Boykins makes plays and could easily have 4 ints this year.

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 18, 2013 9:47 am
Reply to  NuGreembol

I beg to differ about Boykins. He is a good athlete, but some look at him and think he can emulate his performances at Georgia against the SEC, not realizing the SEC is not the NFL.

He has had decent production against bad teams, and also bad performances against those bad teams, and good teams, He is a player in the NFL, just not as a starter because of the limitations in his skill level, which are obvious to an impartial evaluation.

NuGreembol
NuGreembol
October 16, 2013 11:51 pm

I meant Fletcher not Hughes lol

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 12:41 am

My off-season wants/ must haves, with no excuses.
FA-
CB’s- Brandon Browner*, Charles Tillman, Aqib Talib, Sam Shields.
Safeties- BYRD*, TJ Ward, Whitner.
Dline- Henry Melton, Paul Soliai.
LB- Brian Orakpo.
Right now, they need to grab, DeShawn Shead off of Seattle’s practice squad, & make a run at Kerry Rhodes. Larry Grant’s suspension is up, sign him.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
October 17, 2013 8:41 am
Reply to  DCar

If they get any of those CBs, I would be happy. Talib or Shields would be nice because of their ages.

Fletcher or Williams, which one goes?

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 2:07 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Williams. Overpaid. Sucks. Team cancer.

larrwd
larrwd
October 17, 2013 1:04 am

everyone in the league said mccoys yardage would decrease .. dont shoot the messenger

DCar
DCar
October 17, 2013 2:11 am
Reply to  larrwd

No they didn’t. Only the know nothing, Vick idol worshipers on here did. I guess every great RB in the league has a running QB, taking pressure off of them, making them great, HUH? Here’s the top 15 RB’s. How many have running QB’s? Running QB’s.*
1 LeSean McCoy- (showed he can run without Vick).
2 Arian Foster
3 Marshawn Lynch*
4 Adrian Peterson
5 Frank Gore*
6 Jamaal Charles
7 Matt Forte
8 DeMarco Murray
9 Doug Martin
10 DeAngelo Williams*
11 Alfred Morris*
12 Reggie Bush
13 Knowshon Moreno
14 Bilal Powell
15 C.J. Spiller
If you are a good RB, & have a capable run blocking line, your game won’t suffer all that much. If the opponents stack the line, they get killed in the passing game. GET IT! Teams would much rather give up yards, than TD’s. It’s a bend but don’t break mentality, that kept JJ in the NFL as one of the best D-coordinators for years. McCoy is a beast, & will be just fine. Go bow down to your Vick altar, with the rest of the phony, fraud fans.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
October 17, 2013 5:42 am

We’ve been here before after Foles beat the pathetic Bucs. Remember?

After this game in front our own home crowd, everyone here will be screaming for Vick again.

Paste it!

I said it last season that if we played the Bucs every week, you could began Foles bust for Canton now.

Reality will set in when an injured hated Cowboys team come into our house and smash em.

greenfan
greenfan
October 17, 2013 6:53 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Go screw your Redskin loving self. You showed months ago that you are not an Eagles fan, so anything that you post on here should have a disclaimer that you are a Redskins fan, and a loser.

Xevious
Xevious
October 17, 2013 6:56 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

You just keep showing how much your not an Eagles fan. You disgust me.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
October 17, 2013 7:38 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Songs,

Why not take the same stance as the other Foles haters…. just say – “I only want to discuss defense”.

I thought the idea was to win games? Who cares who starts at QB if we win?

Xevious
Xevious
October 17, 2013 8:39 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Because he’s full of shit…His whole if Vick is named starter we all rally around the Eagles right fellas? He’s a fraud a loser and a troll…should have been banned from the site on principle…no way he can ever claim to be a birds fan..

Stevo
Stevo
October 18, 2013 10:38 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

My guess is that you lump me into that group. Well… told ya i didnt care who the qb is…. i said it when vick was starting,ill say it again… the D is what is going to make or break us this week.

Foles will hit 66% of his passes for 365 yards and 2Tds. We score 32 points and the question is…. can our D get off the field?

greenfan
greenfan
October 18, 2013 11:10 am
Reply to  Stevo

It has been the REAL story all year Stevo…this team will really only goes as far as this defense….the offense is scoring 10+ more points this year than last, and are among the leadesr in the league….it is our defense and SPECIAL TEAMS which will be the real difference each week.

If our ST’s give the Cowgirls great field position or worse, allow them to score, it will be a long day for the Birds. The offense has shown up each week, what we need is a defense that can apply a real consistant pass rush and a defensive backfield that will not blow a lot of coverages. We are going to score a lot of points….we just need to limit the ‘Girls to as few as possible.

paulman
paulman
October 17, 2013 8:10 am

2014 Rookies making the biggest Contributions thus Far
Jets DT Sheldon Richardson
Rams OLB Alex Ogletree
Saints Safety Kenny Vacarro
Bears OL C Long
Eagles OT L Jonhson
Chargers OT Fluker
Chiefs OT E Fisher
Chargers WR Kennan Allen
49ers Safety Eric Reid (when healthy)
Packers RB E Lacey (when healthy)
Bengals RB G Bernard
And Yes even QB Geno Smith of Jets has played better than anyone thought he would

I am sure I have missed some Pkayers
But the above list are pkaying every week, getting better and better and making plays for their Teams

Other WR Patterson of Vikings (no QB)
And D Hopkins (Texans) have shown flashed

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 17, 2013 12:01 pm
Reply to  paulman

Gmcliff’s guy Ziggy deserves a mention as well as Dallas C. Travis Frederick.
a second rounder who is playing outstanding is Buffalo LB Kiko Alonzo.

paulman
paulman
October 17, 2013 4:53 pm

Yes both Frederick and Alonso is a Player I wanted the Eagles to Select in the 3rd/4th Round and was very high on.. I am not a big DeMeco Ryans fan and think he needs updgrading and I also would slide Kendricks over to the OLB position and let him do one thing, thats’ rush the backfield to either the RB or QB and let him loose .. Even if its 35 Snaps a game, but I do not like th tandem of Kendricks/Ryans in the Interior moving forward and have stated so since the Spring

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
October 17, 2013 8:49 am

Richardson is everywhere on the field for the Jets. The only thing stopping Bernard is that the Bengals don’t get him the ball enough. Think that will change the rest of this season and next year. And Keenan Allen is doing wonders for my fantasy team. Rivers favorite target now.

chevron2105
chevron2105
October 17, 2013 9:50 am

LOL. Well if we lose on Sunday (and I am not predicting a loss) it will be because our Defense doesn’t show up and not because of anything Foles did or didn’t do. Geez. lol

greenfan
greenfan
October 17, 2013 10:16 am

Our special teams need to play well this week. Dallas made some big plays last week on special teams, and our ST’s have had both good and bad games. We cannot afford to give them a short field or worse a score. This can be a difference in a close game, so hopefully the Birds will be ready in all aspects of the game this weekend.

GO BIRDS!!

paulman
paulman
October 17, 2013 11:05 am

2013 1st Round Picks who have Struggled their Rookie Seasons either by failing to pick up NFL Schemes,Injuries or that are just not a good fit for their Teams

Here’s some of the Top 20 Picks from the 2013 Draft

Dion Jordan – DE Miami Dolphins (missed time all Summer)
Luke Joeckel – OT Jaguars (tore ACL out for Season)
Jonathon Cooper – OG Arizona Cardinals (Tore ACL – out for Season)
Tavon Austin – WR SL Rams (has made very little impact,very disappointing Rookie Season thus far)
Dee Milliner – CB Jets (has not stayed healthy all summer to get on the field..Is her another overrated Alabama Player who benefited playing in a great College System/Program)
DJ Hayden – CB Raiders (is a Starter and learning the NFL on the fly and has been picked on all Season, does he have the mental toughness to use this Year as a learning step, has good physcial ability but looks lost out there many times)
EJ Manuel QB Bills & Jarvis Jones OLB-Steelers – Both had nice starts but have been fighting injuries and are missing a lot of time ..
Justin Pugh – OL Giants – Has seen little Playing time for the GIants who have a lot of issues along their OL and should be playing Pugh to see what he’s got..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 17, 2013 12:05 pm
Reply to  paulman

how is that Carolina pick Star Lotulelei looking down in Panther land?

paulman
paulman
October 17, 2013 12:50 pm

He is playing well after a slow Start and has been outplayed by 2nd Rounder DT Kwann Short in my opinion.. .But both of them are rotating with DT Ron Edwards and are playing 35-40 Snaps a game keeping all 3 of them fresh.. Star has gotten better and better each week and has really come on with some pressure, penertation and tackles at the line of scrimmage th last couple of game
With these 2 young DT’s and MLB L Kuechley in the MIddle, they are solid up the Middle for the next 8-10 Years, if they stay healthy and then have DE;s Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy which forms a pretty good Defensive Line ..
MLB Kuechley has been all over the place this Season and is one of the leading Candidate’s for “Defensive Player of the Year” in my opinion thus far,, I remember a Couple of Posters (GMCliff & Songs) stating that Kuechley was going to be a stiff and a Bust in the NFL and all he has done in a 1 1/2 Seasons in the NFL is set the most Tackles Record for a 2 year Player, become an instant Leader of that Defense (which made Trading ofrmer leader Jon Beason possible) and is very active in the Charlotte Community.. He’s been a a great Player and even a better Person as far as humble, smart, funny and gives back to the Community.. Panthers hit a homerun with that Selection

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 11:18 pm
Reply to  paulman

Star is really kicking tail now Paul. He is an important cog in that Panther Defense, as is Sheldon Richardson, BOTH whom GMCliff wanted to play in this 3-4 Paul as you recall…E0S, has selective memory, he can kiss my ass…..

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 11:20 pm
Reply to  paulman

GMCliff was wrong about Kuechly, no excuses. Good Kick tail Player.

paulman
paulman
October 18, 2013 12:29 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Yes u were high on Richardson who is playing very weel his rookie season, teamed with Mohammed ,who I wanted from Temple when when he was Draft Eligible..
We both also liked the Jets LB D Davis from tiny
Arkansas St a couple years back too if you recall
Jets have some Young Talent

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 18, 2013 9:51 am
Reply to  paulman

Demario Davis yes. Just one of many whiffs at Linebacker by the Eagles

haveacigar
haveacigar
October 17, 2013 11:22 am

Week 7, Dallas week, tied for first place and people are talking draft? hmmm interesting…NOT!
someone please tell me how we stop dez bryant!

mhenski
mhenski
October 17, 2013 11:51 am
Reply to  haveacigar

cary needs to get in a fight with him

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 17, 2013 12:34 pm
Reply to  mhenski

after the Riley Cooper fight, Cary was probably told to tame it down. The defense can’t absorb 15 yard penalties.

mhenski
mhenski
October 17, 2013 11:50 am

Michael Vick said his hamstring pull is “worse than what I thought it was going to be.”
Vick has already missed 1 1/2 games and is almost certainly out for this week’s game against the Cowboys. He has no idea when he’ll be medically cleared. “I want to get back out there, but I can’t,” Vick said Wednesday. “I try to burst and run, I can’t do it. Just hoping it’s not a long time.” Vick added that the injury is up high in his hamstring, in the spot where trainers usually see longer recovery timetables. Pencil Nick Foles in as the Eagles’ starter indefinitely.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
October 17, 2013 12:40 pm

Haveacigar – Dallas week – need to loosen up Romo’s ribs. Who is the bird’s best blitzer? Kendricks, Boykin

paulman
paulman
October 17, 2013 5:01 pm

There is also another strong armed and mobile QB who plays for Fresno State
a 3 Year Starter and Senior Derek Carr (who is the younger Brother of David Carr) has 19 TD’s , 4 Int’s Completing 70% of his Passes 1860 yards in 5 Games.
He’s 6-3 220lbs and has the frame to put on 5-10 lbs of strength in 2-3 years time and is mobile with a strong and accurate arm and reminds many observors as a “Young” Aaron Rodgers in the way he moves and plays the Postion

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
October 17, 2013 5:57 pm
Reply to  paulman

2 things against him.

1) brother of David Carr
2) FSU schedule is kinda light

gmcliff
gmcliff
October 17, 2013 11:24 pm
Reply to  paulman

I do like him Paul, and there is a QB, that plays for Winston-Salem State, [You heard this from GMCliff first] that is big, mobile, and has a strong arm that could develop with patience.

His name escapes me, but he is down your way Paul in Carolina. What is his name?

bsmvideos
October 17, 2013 5:52 pm

If they wanted a more mobile QB why did they draft the kid from USC????

bsmvideos
October 17, 2013 5:57 pm

Is everybody forgetting it was done against winless teams???

The super scrubs of the nfl???

Get real.

Foles should be the starter because Vick is injury prone and not going to be here after this season. But to get excited because of wins against winless teams is ridiculous.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
October 17, 2013 11:08 pm
Reply to  bsmvideos

Hogwash.

We should be excited about ANY win over ANY team because we a grand Total of 4 last year.

That does not mean this team is complete (WE ALL SEE THE HOLES).

What drives me nuts though is that all Foles has done is step in and play well. Statistically better than many other young QB’s at this point in their development, and people are doubting.

Give him a chance to play his way into or out of the job!

NuGreembol
NuGreembol
October 18, 2013 12:05 am

Excited about Foles play so far. Can’t wait to see if he can beat a competitive team like the Cowboys. No doubt it could be a huge win I don’t care if we win 17-14. I know people on here have been clamoring for Foles to start but this is the best scenario for him to play under and it also is best for the team. Great job by Kelly for not listening to anybody just let it play out. If Andy would have did that last year instead of firing Juan the results would have been different. Teams are formed through tough and good times what comes out on the other end is what teams are made of. no slight to Vick he won the job in preseason played well for the most part and there is no doubt we beat the Giants and Bucs anyway, but his ability to not stay healthy and his style of play required for him to maximize his playing ability is no longer worth the investment of the team as a starter. Now he can be the perfect back up incase Foles goes down he can come in a be the gamer that he is. prob not the last we see of Vick this year, but for the time being Foles gets his shot to prove himself. Great scenario for the Birds and one that was inevitable and bound to happen which is why I never understood people feeling the need to make things up alter stats and be down right stupid all bc they wanted to see Foles play. Those same clowns who weren’t happy with 30 points of offense and a loss will be happy if we score 17 in a loss just bc Foles is back there smh