• May 19, 2022

Who Contributed More In 2013? Draft Picks Or Free Agents?

CaryWilliams21Who contributed more to the success of 2013? Draft Class or Free Agents

There were plenty of new faces added to the 2013 Philadelphia Eagles roster. Below I have listed the players who made their season debut for the midnight green, appearing in a minimum of one game during the 2013 season.

I’d give my vote to the veterans being a bigger impact to the success of the 2013 season. They provided more starting positions and impacted the game more.

What is your take?

2013 Draft Class

Lane Johnson– Started every game in his rookie season. Had more “great” moments than lapses in judgment or missed assignments. Athletic enough to be lined up in non-traditional formations on the Chip Kelly scripted formations.

Zach Ertz– Really came on strong during the second half of the season. Arizona was his breakout debut with the two touchdowns, showing why the Eagles drafted him high in the second round. Proved he could play out of the tight-end, h-back and receiver role.

Bennie Logan-Many questioned his work ethic and natural position in the NFL. All Logan did was force the coaching staff to increase his playing time and eventually trade the “Big Veteran Nose Tackle” they signed in the off-season to lead the 3-4.

Matt Barkley– Why did the Eagles draft him since he was not the run option style QB? Barkley was thrown into some hard to concur situations in the two game stretch where the Eagles were awful on offense versus the Giants and Cowboys. No wow factor about Barkley, but Chip saw value with where he fell in the draft.

Earl Wolff– Started the season as a player the Eagles hoped would contribute on special teams. Finished the season as the “best” all around safety and was greatly missed in the secondary when he got injured.

Undrafted Contributors– Damion Square, Jake Knott- a few tackles each, but very little impact.

Free Agency/Veteran Players Acquired Via Trade

 Isaac Sopoaga– Pretty much forgettable, highlight of his tenure with Eagles was trading him to the Patriots.

James Casey– The sky was the limit for this versatile player in Chip Kelly’s system. Casey just never made that impact, credited more for his blocking while getting paid pretty good money.

Cary Williams-Definitely added toughness to the Eagles defense. A lot of yapping and the “incident” with Cooper, but played well minus a few pass interference calls.

Patrick Chung– The former Oregon Duck was terrible when healthy, was better in street clothes.

Bradley Fletcher– Had a very solid season and rarely gave up the big play.

Connor Barwin– Was used everywhere on the defense. Made huge plays, great locker room guy, helped the defense with the 3-4 transition.

Donnie Jones– Had one of the best seasons a punter has ever had in Philadelphia.

Clifton Geathers- (acquired via trade)-Huge build, but received very little playing time due to his actual skill set.

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  • Ultimately, all these Player Aquisitions are the responsibility of GM Howie Roseman since he has the Final Call in RostervNanagenent and what Players receive Contracts or not..
    Now look at the in-Season Player Acquisitions
    Brad Smith, Jeff Maehl, Najee Goode, Roc Carmichael
    and sone if the undrafted Free-Agents like Matt Tobin,Justin Vandervelde,
    damion Square, Jake Knott.. Lots of new Players

  • Jacoby jones, Glenn Dorsey, Jason worilds& tj ward these should be the only guys they pick up in free agency this year

  • Gloomy,
    Jones wants big money and Roseman said they probably not sign big contract players. Dorsey sux. Ward would be nice. How about the big 25 year old from the Giants Linval Joseph 6′ 4″ 330. The Giants web site said they will have a hard time signing him. Then we draft Steven Tuitt in the first rd. 6’6″ 320. That should help our run defense. Lets go one better and sign either 6’7″ 270 lb. Michael Johnson to play OLB or Mathias Kiwanuka of the Giants. We could really hurt the Giants.

    • Draft class was ok. Lane was ok he was top 5 pick and played the best out of the bunch. Logan didn’t make many plays but apparently freed up the lbs to make plays. Barkley was a awful pick as of now. Wolfe was overhyped and was ok, Eagle fans really made this guy something better than he really was. Ertz started to play well and should be a 70 catch guy sooner rather than later. The FA class was spectacular IMO. Williams and Fletcher IMO did a great job. Form Jeffries, Megatron, Dez, Marshall they held there own. The smaller recievers, middle of the field and crossing routes killed this defense. Barwin is just a good tough Philly style football player. Donnie Jones was the best FA pickup period. He is a stud.

    • i would love adding tuitt and joseph, i just dont think you are getting tuitt unless u trade up

      • i think we have to get in front of the cowboys in the draft to get tuitt

        • oops disregard everything i just said i got tuitt and nix both from ND mixed up… was thinking about nix above

          • Oddly enough, same thing with Nix. I wanted him at the beginning of the season as his last season was very good too. I was thoroughly disappointed with his performance. He was injured though so I’d take that into account.

            • if nix is there he is a gem for this d scheme. so brutal the draft has been pushed back

        • I’m not a tuitt fan. I watched ND play this year and he just didn’t show up in a lot of games. He definitely took plays off. His play the season before last was very good. This year wasn’t. I don’t know if there was an injury he was battling, but he just never showed me anything that made me take notice. Again, who’s spot does he take, he’s a 34 end in the Eagles defense. Who sits, Cox? Thornton?. I would pass.

          • DT Ra’Shede Hageman from the University of Minnesota
            6-6′ – 315lbs … A No Brainer at #22 if Hageman is still on the Board

            • Paul, how would you use Hageman? Is he your DE or DT?

              • I use Hageman primarily at DT and rotate him and Bennie Logan an when going to 4 Down DL in Short-Yardage/Redzone, then have both Hageman & Logan as DT’s with Cox/Thornton at DE
                But I believe Kelly and DL Coach want and love versatility..
                Running a 3-4 Scheme means you really have to have about 4-5 DL who can play both spots for injuries, giving a player breather to keep a strong rotation…
                I do not believe Logan is a 50 Snape a Game player..
                in the Base Defense, Split Hageman/Logan reps, then use Hageman at DE to spell Cox,Thornton once in a while also a side note, Hageman at 6-6′ has blocked some FG/Extra Points on Special Teams as well..
                Unforunately for him, he played up in Minnesota on some bad Teams and received little recognition during his Colleg days

              • No Paul…..

      • Truitt is a second round pick……what are you talking about moving up to get him?

  • Here is the entire 2014 FA class!

    Jairus Byrd
    T.J. Ward
    Donte Whitner
    Charles Woodson
    James Ihedigbo
    Bernard Pollard
    Brandon Meriweather
    Jim Leonhard
    Quintin Mikell
    Mike Mitchell
    Major Wright
    Yeremiah Bell
    Taylor Mays
    Mike Adams
    MD Jennings
    Antoine Bethea
    Quintin Demps
    Husain Abdullah
    Kendrick Lewis
    Rafael Bush
    Stevie Brown
    Nate Allen
    Colt Anderson
    Kurt Coleman
    Ryan Clark
    Will Allen
    Matt Giordano
    Corey Lynch
    Reed Doughty

    Outside linebacker
    Brian Orakpo
    Anthony Spencer
    Jason Worilds
    Wesley Woodyard
    Vincent Rey
    O’Brien Schofield
    JoLonn Dunbar
    Marcus Benard
    Parys Haralson
    Keith Rivers
    Calvin Pace
    Jermaine Cunningham
    Will Witherspoon
    Jonathan Casillas
    Adam Hayward
    Darryl Tapp
    Omar Gaither
    Arthur Moats
    Ernie Sims
    Rocky McIntosh
    Tavares Gooden
    Akeem Jordan
    Frank Zombo

    Jay Feely
    Dan Carpenter
    Graham Gano
    Billy Cundiff
    David Akers
    Adam Vinatieri
    Josh Brown
    Nick Folk
    Steven Hauschka
    Phil Dawson
    Rian Lindell
    Lawrence Tynes

    Wide receiver
    Eric Decker
    Anquan Boldin
    Hakeem Nicks
    Golden Tate
    Emmanuel Sanders
    Jeremy Maclin
    Riley Cooper
    Jacoby Jones
    Devin Hester
    Ted Ginn, Jr.
    Julian Edelman
    Jacoby Ford
    Robert Meachem
    James Jones
    Dexter McCluster
    Darrius Heyward-Bey
    Mario Manningham
    Santana Moss
    Kenny Britt
    Domenik Hixon
    Brandon LaFell
    Dane Sanzenbacher
    Andre Cladwell
    Kevin Ogletree
    Chad Hall
    Jerome Simpson
    Austin Collie
    Josh Cribbs
    Jerrico Cotchery
    Kassim Osgood
    Kyle Williams
    Damian Williams

    Charles Tillman
    Brent Grimes
    Aqib Talib
    Vontae Davis
    Sam Shields
    Aaron Ross
    Captain Munnerlynn
    Drayton Florence
    Brandon Browner
    Walter Thurmond
    Alterraun Verner
    DeAngelo Hall
    Antoine Cason
    Javier Arenas
    Robert McClain
    Kelvin Hayden
    Zack Bowman
    Chris Crocker
    Brandon Ghee
    Quentin Jammer
    Rashean Mathis
    Will Blackmon
    Nolan Carroll
    AJ Jefferson
    Chris Cook
    Chris Carr
    Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
    Trumaine McBride
    Aaron Berry
    Mike Jenkins
    Tracy Porter
    Usama Young
    Chimdi Chekwa
    Tarell Brown
    Eric Wright
    Josh Wilson

    Defensive end
    Greg Hardy
    Lamarr Houston
    Michael Bennett
    Shaun Phillips
    Justin Tuck
    Jared Allen
    Brett Keisel
    Clinton McDonald
    Jason Hatcher
    Arthur Jones
    Frostee Rucker
    Matt Shaughnessy
    Corey Wootton
    Robert Ayers
    Israel Idonije
    Ryan Pickett
    CJ Wilson
    Johnny Jolly
    Tyson Jackson
    Ziggy Hood
    Daniel Te’o-Nesheim

    Defensive tackle
    B.J. Raji
    Paul Soliai
    Randy Starks
    Kevin Williams
    Henry Melton
    Aubrayo Franklin
    Linval Joseph
    Jonathan Babineaux
    Peria Jerry
    Terrence Cody
    Nate Collins
    Mitch Unrein
    Brandon Deaderick
    Leger Douzable
    Fred Evans
    Shaun Rogers
    Mike Patterson
    Vance Walker
    Pat Sims
    Tony McDaniel
    Ropati Pitoitua
    Antonio Johnson

    Inside linebacker
    Karlos Dansby
    Brandon Spikes
    Jon Beason
    Jonathan Vilma
    Daryl Smith
    Perry Riley
    Thomas Howard
    DJ Williams
    Stewart Bradley
    Paris Lenon
    Joe Mays
    Darryl Sharpton
    Pat Angerer
    Desmond Bishop
    Dan Connor
    Isaiah Trufant
    Nick Barnett

    Josh McCown
    Matt Flynn
    Michael Vick
    Josh Freeman
    Chad Henne
    Pat Devlin
    Joe Webb
    Tarvaris Jackson
    Colt McCoy
    Kellen Clemens
    Rex Grossman
    Charlie Whitehurst

    Running back
    Joique Bell
    Ben Tate
    Rashad Jennings
    Darren McFadden
    Andre Brown
    Maurice Jones-Drew
    Rashard Mendenhall
    Willis McGahee
    Donald Brown
    James Starks
    Toby Gerhart
    Ronnie Brown
    Tashard Choice
    John Kuhn (FB)
    Jordan Todman
    Leon Washington
    Jed Collins (FB)
    Peyton Hillis
    Brandon Jacobs
    Da’Rel Scott
    Bernard Scott
    Felix Jones
    Brian Leonard
    Jackie Battle

    Tight end
    Jimmy Graham
    Dennis Pitta
    Jermichael Finley
    Brandon Pettigrew
    Fred Davis
    Dustin Keller
    Garrett Graham
    Jeff Cumberland
    Ed Dickson
    Scott Chandler
    Dante Rosario
    Andrew Quarless
    Clay Harbor
    Michael Hoomanawanui

    Donnie Jones
    Mat McBriar
    Pat McAfee
    Zoltan Mesko
    Brian Moorman
    Dave Zastudil

    Offensive guard
    Brian Waters
    Travelle Wharton
    Kevin Boothe
    Richie Incognito
    Danny Watkins
    Jon Asamoah
    Mike Gibson
    Eben Britton
    Mike Pollak
    Zane Beadles
    Mike McGlynn
    Geoff Schwartz
    John Jerry
    Charlie Johnson
    Willie Colon
    Vladimir Ducasse
    Andre Gurode
    Chad Rinehart
    Paul McQuistan
    Chris Williams

    Offensive tackle
    Michael Oher
    Branden Albert
    Tyson Clabo
    David Diehl
    Zack Strief
    Austin Howard
    Jared Veldheer
    Rodger Saffold
    Eric Winston
    Breno Giacomini
    Jeremy Trueblood
    Jordan Gross
    J’Marcus Webb
    Winston Justice
    Marshall Newhouse
    Jeff Linkenbach
    Bryant McKinnie
    Tony Pashos
    Guy Whimper

    Alex Mack
    Roberto Garza
    Brian De la Puente
    Evan Dietrich-Smith
    Dan Koppen
    Fernando Velasco
    Jonathan Goodwin
    Ryan Cook
    Domonic Raiola
    Brad Meester
    Ryan Wendell
    Chris Spencer

  • OLB Position is very weak
    Watch for some big names to be added though
    Like a Terrel Suggs, Lance Briggs,David Woodley
    Etc as Salary Cap Casualties

  • Suggs is 31 wouldn’t mind him if you drafted some body to groom behind him and I would love Michael Johnson here he is long big and fast the only problem with is we don’t play a 4-3 and that’s all the bengals play so he is out of the question Briggs is also a 4/3 lb and is like 35 I’m ok Lamar woodley not a big fan of him Jason worilds his team mate would be the one they should look at but Michael Johnson could play in 3-4 I would take him in. A heartbeat

  • I could see the Eagles bringing in a Linval Joseph as he has good size to play the nose tackle position. Seriously doubt if either Woodley or Worilds gets out of Pittsburg.

  • ESPN is reporting that the Washington Redskins has hired Jay Gruden as their head coach. Not impressed at all. I don’t think he’s ready for that position. IMO, Washington will be terrible for years to come. If I’m RGIII, I ask for an early release from my contract. I know it wouldn’t happen, but he can’t be happy.

    • No surprise to hear Jay Gruden’s name for the Redskins..
      He has a good Offensvie Mind and has helped Bengals QB Dalton Develop into the best of his abilities…
      Remember , any Experienced HC is not going to want to walk into Redskin Park with RGIII calling the Shots, it’s a real mess there right now and only a Young HC looking to get an Opportunity is about all they will attract..

  • The steelers are cap strapped so they have to pick and choose who they sign 85% chance worilds leaves

    • I think the Steelers release LB David Woodley, DE Brent Keisel and some
      others on their Roster to Free Up $$$ to resign Worlids..
      They will gut their Roster of Players over 30 who are on downside of their Careers..

      • David Woodley hasn’t played with the Steelers in over 40 years. You mean Llamar Woddley.

        • Yes Llamar I meant.. David Woodley was a QB wasn’t he.. then onto the Dolphins …Ha Ha …

          • That he was.

            • Lamarr Woodley.. sheesh guys

    • The Steelers are looking to restructure some contracts to make it possible to resign Worilds. They want to keep him. I believe they’ll find away.

  • jeff you wrote:

    “No wow factor about Barkley, but Chip saw value with where he fell in the draft.”

    chip is calling these shots in the draft room bro, roseman is

    • who’s calling the shots Chip or Roseman???

      • Chip said that he has input on who he wants as far as talking about the type of player he’s interested in. I think Howie brings the talent to the table and Chip and Howie collaborate as far as who Chip wants.

        • that’s what I believe too Eagles…but Mhenski, seems to think Roseman is the “shot caller”? or at least that what it seems like…or it seems as though he doesn’t know, who is calling the shots…

          • i know it gets hard when there is more than 5 words real so I will just copy and paste a snip of what I wrote

            i am certain kelly has input and especially with that pick when chip competed against barkley 3 or 4 times… sure he ran it by him, but i dont think chip saw value, i think that was roseman is all im trying to say.

            roseman has a team bozo, his coach, his oc, his dc, his scouting team , his own football operations staff. there is 20+ people with input but when it comes time to pulling the trigger its howie and that came from his mouth and the owners mouth

            • Dumbass you like to talk about comprehension skills and ish…

              just trying to comprehend what the hell the below was supposed to mean…

              chip is calling these shots in the draft room bro, roseman is

              Roseman is what?Chip is calling shot in the draft room and Roseman is doing what?

              • i write on a phone on these boards i miss words and have typos every time i post judging by Jeffs reply he was able to figure it out, probably because he has good reading and comprehension skills and can figure out when a word is missing. if you cant figure out what word is missing and where it belongs so be it. i wasnt talking to you so i see no need to spell it out for you.

                however the adults made their point and discussed this topic already and its over. so ur attempt to add your childish antics and throw in your pathetic 1 cent has failed.

                fuck off idiot

  • Roseman “is” the guy in charge come draft room. I feel Kelly is given input, and Howie last year saw that a former first round projected QB in Barkley kept on falling. He ran it by Chip knowing that he knew the college ranks well.

    • i am certain kelly has input and especially with that pick when chip competed against barkley 3 or 4 times… sure he ran it by him, by i dont think chip saw value, i think that was roseman is all im trying to say.

      i listen to howie weekly on 610 and that guy is a breath of fresh air (especially compared to banner), and you can tell by what he says that he knows talent, evaluates the hell out of ncaa players during the season and his the guy with the biggest say when it comes to the draft

      • If you guys listen to Howie, he says “Chip has a certain type of player he is looking for regardless of the position, so we go out and scout and look for that player” So its really more of a collaborative/joint effort, not a 1 man show with Howie in full control of the draft/player personnel and Chip just in charge on the field..

        We know for a fact that Chip does draw the line when it comes to player contracts, he doesn’t want anything to do with them and I don’t blame him. That’s where Andy messed up, trying to wear too many hats. Hes my coach one minute, then he’s my GM, now hes discussing my contract with my agent.. Players probably didn’t know how to act around Andy anymore. He became bigger than the team…

        So I like the way this organization is ran now..

  • Let’s just say eagles were looking to draft a wr in the 1st rd would you trade your 1st then for josh Gordon instead of having a rookie here Gordon is only 22

    • josh gordon will not be traded, there is 0% shot they move him.

    • Gloomy, again with the trades. Roseman was on WIP stating that free agents are just contractors, the Eagles want to bring in players from the draft. That’s why I keep saying don’t expect a lot in free agency and bringing guys in here at big ticket prices. Howie has been drilling that philosophy since the season ended. It’s not me making it up to be a kill joy. I’m taking him at his word. I like Josh Gordon, but one more mishap and he’s suspended for a year. I’ll draft my WR. I still like Kelvin Benjamin and Martaivis Bryant in the draft. Benjamin has not declared yet though so I can’t count on him.

  • I would have to say free agents…CB Williams and Fletcher, LB Barwin…they’ve had a bigger impact to the outcome of games in my opinion…..made big plays at key moments on a more consistent basis…Casey and Chung…disappointing…not sure why Casey was even signed, if he wasn’t going to be utilized…
    The rookie draft wasn’t too bad, after Johnson and Ertz, I think the Wolff selection was a good one…I really think Wolff will become a solid safety for this Eagles squad.

    • I think they had plans for Casey, but when Ertz fell in their lap at the draft, his talent was to good to pass up on, so it changed all of the plans they had for Casey . I think Ertz is a future pro bowler and was hoping the Eagles would take him.

      • True I agree with that…I still think we should of threw Casey in the backfield a few times at FB on some short yardage situations…if nothing else but to be a lead blocker for Shady…

        • Yeah, I never understood that. I thought that was part of the reason that they brought Casey in was to be a FB when they needed him.

        • That is exactly how I feel. I think the Eagles should turn into a power running team and get a fullback in front of Shady sometimes. This may help with short yardage third down plays.

  • No the browns did want to move him but nobody wanted to give up more than a 3 and I would give the browns Bryce brown a 2nd and let’s throw Brandon graham

    • Why would the browns want to move that talent? Because of the trouble he was getting into. This year was a breakout year for him. I doubt if they are still interested in putting him on the market now. However, he still has that issue of a year long suspension following him if he messes up. That’s to much to give up a pick for. If he was a FA…OK, not a draft pick of value though.

  • If Eagles Sign both Receivers Cooper & Maclin as expected
    I just don’t see them using a Top Pick in the 2014 Draft for a WR
    maybe in the middle rounds, but not in the first 3 Rounds.. Just don’t see a need that early in the Draft for a Postion Player who is not really going to be needed for a few years down the line if the Eagles have D-Jax,Cooper,Maclin & Avant as their Tpp 4 WR’s

    • I agree, that’s just my wish…being greedy and unrealistic. I think it will depend on the type of contract they would sign Maclin to honestly. I’m just really high on Martaivis Bryant. I can only imagine Foles throwing the ball up to him to grab out of the air.

      • I like Avant, but I’d part ways with him. He doesn’t do enough on the field. I know he’s a leader, but other guys gotta step up though.

        • I don’t know about that…Avant may not have every pass thrown his way, but he is one of the best blocking WR’s on the team…sometimes we don’t even realize he’s in the game, but he’s out there blocking…it all depends on the contract in regards to Avant though…I think the Eagles should definitely bring back Maclin…WR group will be very dangerous then…Cooper should really be able to get loose with a Maclin return…

          • Def right about him blocking. He and Cooper are both really good blockers on the outside.

          • I can’t see the Eagles paying 2.2 mil for a fourth string blocking receiver. It is a good skill,but, you have to be able to find a receiver that will be more productive with YAC for that money!

            • I agree with you Eagles and with Real. Only if the contract is right. I could see him seeking more money elsewhere though.

              • Jason Avant is Scheduled to Earn $3.96 million in 2014
                D-Jax is scheduled to earn $12.5 Million in 2014
                Let’s say the Eagles sign Cooper to a 3-4 Year $12-14 Million Deal (including Bonus $$) and Maclin to a 1 Year $2.5 Million
                This would be Approx $20-22 Million in 2014 for the WR position whoch would be approx 1/5 of the $125 Total Cap for the Team..

                No way is Avant coming back unless they decide to let Maclin walk and sign Cooper Only, and Then use a high Draft Pick at WR in the Draft

            • True I see where you are coming from…At 2 mil maybe its a little much for a 4th stringer…But Avant doesn’t necessarily need to be that YAC receiver, with DJAX, Cooper and plus if Maclin returns…He could be a receiver that eats teams up from the slot with all of those weapons on the field…I wouldn’t be upset either way, but I think if the Eagles can hold onto Avant, they should do so

              • I think they will keep Avant also, and restructure his deal, maybe srped out Deal over a couple of more seasons to lower the Year to Year Figure Cap Wise.. He’s been a Team Player and a real mentor
                to many of the Young Players and is a stand up guy all the way around..

              • Any Chance we can get Robinson Out of PSU in the draft? I think Evans will go too high. Then you resign Cooper and give Maclin the one year deal to prove himself. Avant is a great leader and an awesome blocker but at that cap number how do you keep him?

  • I like all three back as well and I know that they would use 3 WR sets, but either Maclin or Cooper is gonna be the #2 guy. Egos ok with that? Also, Maclin in the slot? DJax in the slot?

    • Now way do I put DJAX into the slot. His value is his speed on the outside. Maclin can go into the slot.

      • Gotta move them around I think…DJAX had his best season of his career because of how versatile Chip was making him…We saw DJAX out wide, from the slot, from the back field …I can see the same thing with Maclin…another way that Chip will keep the defense “honest”

        • You get Maclin and Cooper back and you also don’t have to worry about drafting a WR either. All three of those guys can be moved around too. I really think that Maclin will embrace the new scheme too.

          • No Bugsy, they’re going to draft a wr, for this main reason, injury history. Both Maclin and Benn respectively have been injuried a lot throughout their careers. They need some depth there. They draft a young guy and pick up a undrafted player at that position. We cant rely on Maclin whose coming off of a Acl and Benn the same, to provide a high level of production. We need depth and stability at that position.. Kelly is a genius and made something out of nothing this year but we cant go into game one of next season the same way..

            • Yeah I never said anything about Benn, so…

              As far as Maclin goes, they would obviously have to see how he has recovered from injury and he would probably get an incentive laden contract, so I am not sure that it would cost them that much.

              If they draft a WR, when would you want them to do it. Certainly not in the first 3 rounds right, because they really need more help on the defensive side. So are you talking about getting a strictly slot WR in the late rounds like Edelman or small RB like Sproles or Woodhead. I could see that too. The only way that they draft WR high is if they filled a lot of defensive holes in FA.

              • Well we saw in this offense that guys like Riley Cooper can flourish so they don’t really need to draft a high profile WR n the early rounds unless the guy is a cant miss.

                I do see them adding speed, speed and more speed on offense through the draft. I mentioned on here the day he declared for the draft that De’Anthony Thomas would be an excellent pick in one of the later rounds. Their are other guys that have great speed and skill guys in this draft. In addition to the other guys mentioned, there is another playmaker at TE/WR who many have compared to Vernon Davis. Eric Ebron, hes a talented skill player who can run and catch very well. I don’t think all 3 TEs will be back for us maybe just two so we ll need to add another playmaker there..

                Odell Beckham Jr out of LSU is another playmaker, hes a fast, shifty WR who can also play special teams, returns everything. Hes another guy id look into if im the eagles..

  • Plus durability. I guess that I just don’t really see any of those guys as a slot WR. Maclin fits it the most.

  • I have to say, I was very impressed with how the defense turned it around this season…At the start it looked like we were going to be worse than last season. I have to admit that Davis did a solid job. With that being said…The defense has to get better in zone coverage…our zone coverage is soft as they come….The way that happens is getting more speed on the field. The LB core especially, needs to get quicker on the outside…Demeco Ryans was a beast for us this year, happy to have him!

    I like those 17 to 14 type of games…Where defense makes hits, makes plays, and teams have to grind it out. The defense gave us a few games like that this season, where I can’t recall any games like that in the past few seasons.

    This defense is headed in the right direction…Lets get a safety in free agency…a CB in the draft…(I’m good with Williams and Fletcher for right now) Lets get a OLB in free agency…I hope our first 2 picks are on the defensive side of the ball… Not really sure where we go in the draft for offense…O Line probably the biggest position of need…Look for a O lineman in later rounds..a WR could possibly be in the cards, but the Eagles have a lot of youth at the position already, so I think its a toss up.

  • Here is my Free-Agnecy Wish List (players range from 25-27 Years old)

    Safety – TJ Ward (Browns – 5-10 205lbs – Played for Kelly in Oregon)
    CB – Walt Thurmond (Seahawks – 5-11 195lbs – Played for Kelly in Oregon)
    Guard – Geoff Schwartz (Chiefs 6-6 330lbs – Played for Kelly in Oregon)
    DT – Linval Joseph (NY Giants 6-4 325lbs – Played East Carolina)

    I see no real OLB’s that excite at this time in Free-Agency and would Concentrate on Drafting and OLB,DE,Safety and WR in the first few Rounds of the Draft…

    • I agree I just looked at LB free agent list, didn’t see any OLB of interest at this time

      • It’s a pretty weak Free-Agency Group at OLB..
        I think we mentioned earlier about the possibility of some Veteran Players being Salary-Cap Casualties on their Respective Teams so there may be some Surprise names come Febuary…
        A Terrell Suggs, Lance Briggs,Lamarr Woodley, DeMarcus Ware,
        could easily come onto the Market

        • Here’s a list of OLB that look promising in the upcoming Draft
          Besides the 1st Round Players like Anthony Barr & Khalil Mack that will be gone by the 15th Picks

          These Players I listed below have the Natural Size & Athleticim that Kelly is looking for at the OLB.. (I discounted LB’s that were 6-2″ and less and 230klbs and less for that’s not what Kelly & Davis are looking for at OLB)

          Kyle Van Noy – BYU 6-3′ -248 lbs (Projected Early 2nd Round)
          Michael Sam – Missouri 6-2′ – 255lbs (2nd rounder)
          Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA 6-3′ – 240 lbs (3rd Rounder)
          Jeremiah Attaochu – Ga Tech 6-3′ – 245lbs (3rd Rounder)
          Ronald Powell – Florida 6-3′ – 240lbs (4th Rounder)
          Jordan Tripp – Montana 6-3′ – 240lbs (4th Rounder)
          Devon Kennard – USC 6-3″ – 255lbs (Late 4th/5th Rounder)
          Boseko Lekombo – Oregon 6-3′ 235lbs (Late 5th/6th Rounder)
          Tyler Starr – South Dakota 6-4″ 250lbs (6th Rounder)
          Jayrone Elliot – Toledo 6-3″ – 240lbs (7th Rounder)

  • The Cowboys would be crazy to let just about their only good defensive player go. He will be 32 next year, but he has only missed 3 games in his whole career.

    • Making a lot of $$$ for an 8-8 Team… Now a new Defensice Coordinator to Hire and put in a new System.. Who knows. .stranger things have happened but Ware looked like a shell of himself this Season and played as if he was disnterested,disengaged & distracted…

  • True, still hard to see it happening. He would be a gigantic big contract from someone if he was released.

  • Paulman nice list but I would stay away from any cb that has taken steroids before

    • Thurmond screwed up, no doubt, but would most likely be a Starter on many Yeams if not playing behind Shernan/Browner at Seattke and actually replaced Browner after his injury and b4 Thurmond got a 4 game suspension
      Buts he’s young at 25 years of age and Coach Kelky knows him well since he played for him at Oregon and if he felt good about his character, could probably get him on the cheap due to his 4 game Suspension to give him a chance to redeem himself, again the Eagles will still have a Fletch/Williams/Boykin as their top 3 CB’s but you can never have enough CB’s plus Thurmond is a great Special Teamer and could really compete for a Starters Spot in 2015 when Fletcher’s Deal is up
      I think it would be a great acquisition if Kelky feels good about him

      • I like that move Paul with Thurmond….

  • There dline next year will be Fletcher cox, new dt and Thornton second line will be Bennie Logan, kuger, and a new dt

    • Kuger will be cut; trash; wasted pick.

      Logan will be our DT, unless someone of significance becomes available..

    • Gloomy, I just wrote about Joe Kruger among other guys to look out for going into OTAs/Mini Camp etc etc just the other day…

      Jon Hart
      January 6, 2014 – 12:43 pm

      Three guys to watch in camp, Joe Kruger (brother of Paul Kruger) 6’6 269 but he’s added 16 pounds and will most likely be up around 290 by OTA’s. Could be huge for the Dline

      Also OLB Travis Long 6’4 252, coming off a major knee injury but has talent

      And OG/OT Matt Tobin 6’6 303, honestly I think he will take over after Peters retires..

      Look for these guys to turn heads at the upcoming camps..

  • Sign Linval Joseph at DT then Draft Hageman at #22
    Or possibly DE Trent Murphy and Eagles DL would be set for the next 4-5 Seasons with 5-6 Players who can all rotate and take 30-40 Snaps a game and be big,nasty and versatile up and down the DL

    • Now that might work. I definitely want Joseph. Hageman would be a nice addition with Joseph.

  • Paulman, I like the way you think. I posted earlier about Linval Joseph who’s only 25 and has very little wear and tear on his body. I also said Tuitt because I don”t think Hageman will still be on the big board, he is the better prospect. Also, I like Micheal Johnson on the bengals because he’s 6’7″ and a pass rushing demon. He played OLB his first 3 years with Cinncy and had the most sacks each year at that position compared to DE. We still need a lb. in the middle. I like the kid from Tenn. Johnson or Skov from Stanford.

    • Players that would be immediate upgrades & perfect fits.
      Safety- FS Byrd, SS Ward, SS Whitner, SS Ihedigbo, CB Verner, CB Talib, CB Davis, NT Joseph, NT Soliai, OLB/DE Johnson, OLB Orakpo. Probably not going to make a huge splash, but according to what I’ve heard from Chip, & Roseman, this past week, Safety, size, & pass-rush will be top priority. The way I see this going, is we sign FS Byrd, SS Ihedigbo, NT Soliai, OLB Orakpo, K Folk. Cole, Graham, & Curry get traded. Williams restructures or gets released. Herremans, Celek restructure. Hennerey gets released. Chung gets exiled to Siberia. None of our FA’s but Thornton, Cooper & Jones get brought back.
      1st- DE Steven Tuitt- ND- 6’6″ 320.
      2nd- WR Jordan Matthews- Vandy/ WR Allen Robinson- PSU- Both 6’3″ 205-210.
      3rd- CB Terrance Mitchell- Oregon/ CB Louchiez Purifoy- Florida- Both 6’0″ 195.
      4th- NT Daniel McCullers- Tennessee- 6’6″ 350.
      5th(1)- OT Billy Turner- North Dakota State- 6’6″ 315.
      5th(2)- De’Anthony Thomas- Oregon- 5’10” (Lightning).
      7th- OG Ryan Groy- Wisconsin- 6’5″ 325.

      • Peters restructures, or he gets released too. No way they pay him the money he’s on the cap for, especially when there is only $292K in dead $$$$.

        • DCar I think if that happens to Peters that may be the 1st time in NFL history a consensus 1st team all-pro player is released the following off-season lol. You know Peters was called the best LT in football this year. Don’t he Eagles have the 2nd most cap space in the NFC coming in at 17 million? That would be hard to explain to fans, we released Peters so we can save money even though we have the 2nd most cap space in the NFL. That aint gonna fly.

          • daggolden, its actually more cap money, 22 million. And no ‘theyre not going to release him, that would make no sense. You just don’t release a guy of his caliber. They keep him and they continue to groom backup Matt Tobin to eventually take Peters spot..

      • Hey DCar or other NCAA evaluators.

        What do you know about NT Louis Nix from ND? I am seeing both he and Tuitt are projected to both go around where we pick but I would think our team could use that “hog” nix over a DE unless we are ready to give up on Cox.

        Logan is very small for a NT and doesnt seem strong enough to be relied on where Nix is a monster and based on everything I read can shed double teams.

        • I am not big on Nix to be honest, he’s a little too soft and heavy for my liking.. Conditioning, Work Ethic, Motor have been questioned by some..
          I always get a little concerned when seeing young Players with a big time Potential Future ahead of them and then they just coast and not be in the very best shape or go all out during their Final Season…
          I stay away from Nix if it were up top me and rather Select a High-Motor, High Energy Player like a Trent Murphy, Ra’Shede Hageman,
          and een the undersized Timmy Jernigan from Fla State who just declared for the Draft

          • thanks paul. imo we cant take a DE in the 1st. we have cox, thornton, curry, geathers which i think is pretty solid. we need a good NT, some lbs and all kinds of 2ndary. de is not needed and i would be ok with not drafting one period

            joseph at nt, followed by logan and or one of these other in the draft makes sense

            • Some 2nd/3rd Round Prospects at DT

              Will Sutton – Arizona State 6-0″ – 305lbs
              Ego Ferguson – LSU 6-2′ – 310lbs
              DaQuan Jones – Penn State 6-3′ – 318lbs
              Kelcy Quarles – South Carolina 6-3″ – 300lbs

              A couple of Mid/Late Round Selections under the Radar Players with some upside

              1) Shamar Stepen – U Conn 6-5′ – 315 lbs
              2) Deandre Coleman – Cal 6-5′ – 315lbs
              3) Bruce Gaston – Purdue 6-2″ – 310lbs
              4) Ricky Havlil-Heimuli – Oregon – 6-4′ 315lbs
              5) Ryan Carrethers – Arkansas State 6-1 330lbs

      • Like the Draft DCar.. Good Work ..

  • I think they should trade peters if anything get 3rd pick for and save money at the same time

    • You’re ready to trade the whole team lol, consistency of players is important. Also, to keep trading players does not allow the players to feel as if they are a part of a family as far as the team is concerned. You want to trade DJAX, Cox and now Peters. Roseman stated he wants the fans to get to know the players and know they will be here a long time. I don’t think all of those trades are going to allow that to happen.

  • Here we go again gloomy.. lol .. Not gonna happen

  • Hart they were talking about releasing peters that just sounds dumb to me you trade him if anything you don’t just let him go and if you can’t trade him u keep him but no release at by no means I think you can move lane Johnson overthere anyway

  • Eaglehaslanded djack is a cry baby that chip Kelly has to find ways to get off if press coverage by putting him in the back field sending him in motion and fake endarounds ect… And also crys when he doesn’t get the ball and after a playoff loss he is talking about his contract who cares about there money after a loss like that it’s not like his contract is up or he only has 1 year left on it I love his big plays but I’m tired of his me act everything is about him and it should be about the team he quit on the team in 2011 cause he didn’t have a deal. And cox the only reason he needs to go is cause he doesn’t fit the scheme at all he is a 4-3 dt playing de in a 3-4 he doesn’t fit I think you can find 3-4 de ‘s in the 3rd of the draft you don’t need one where they drafted cox at unless it’s bj ragi,nagta,wolfork,jj watt, and star from the panthers I just feel if you can get a 1st for him or even 2 second rd picks I would do it in a heart beat. And for peters I seen his play slip this year I don’t know about you but he didn’t look that good and he only got that pro bowl off of his name and he is 32 plus do you think the eagles are gonna resign him after the season hell no so get what u can get for him now and save some money. And as far team harmony goes players know year to year that it’s gonna be turnover on a team it’s gonna be new faces each year it’s gonna be players they don’t wanna see go but that’s business that they are in they have to be adults about and understand it. All the moves I said to make would upgrade the team now make us worst

  • I read these Posts about Trading Peter’s because of his $10 Million Salarry and I just shake my head… LT is the premier position along the OL and to be honest, Peters deal actually has him underpaid with the TOp LT’s in the NFL and the Eagles are getting a bargain at $10 MIllion.. Peters is entering his final season on his Contract.. let him finish it out, Draft anther OT and look to grrom Barbree, Lane Johnson as the LT come 2015 but do not mess with Peters this Off-Season..
    Look around the NFl, see what LT’s who are less talented than Peters received on the OPen Market … Jake Long, J Bushrod, OT’s that re-signed with their Own Teams (Albert,Williams,Okung,etc,etc)
    I remember all too well in 2011 Season where the Eagles went into Camp with no legitimate LT when Peters was injured and how that impacted the entire OL, & Offense that Season with the sttiffs they signed to play (D Bell,K Dunlap,etc,etc)
    Keep Peters and then address him next Off-Season

  • Cowherd had a very good blurb on the radio in regards to Kellys drafting philosophy. Cowherd said they have a mutual friend, and the friend was told a few years back, that if Kelly were too coach in the NFL, he would spend all of his draft picks on the defense. He stated that he could get pretty much anyone to mix and match on the offensive side. He said, he would not ever spend a hundred million on a QB. Said playing QB in his system is rather easy. Take that for what it’s worth, just thought it was a good mention.

    • Im trying to tell people that. Why do you think in Oregon with 3 different QBs they continued to score 50 points a game? Same thing goes with the RB position in Oregon. Shady is so special and his make you miss ability is 2nd to none so he is the exception. But as far as any other RB in the NFL in Kellys system they just aren’t worth mega bucks.

      • You can get away with that in college due to discrepancy of talent on the opposing defense. I Think it would be a little bull headed Of him to think that’s the case for the NFL.

        • Running a Fast-Paced Offense at the College Ranks where speed, talent just wears out a College Opponent and especially Teams that are not used to facing the RO and it’s just a mis-match…
          We have seen Baylor, Texas A&M use this same Philosophy with Success as well as other Schools..
          Pro’s its a different Story.. Ever Player on that field is the best of the best.Athletic,speed,strrngth etc, etc.. The NFL is a lot more about Match-Ups, camaflouging weaknesses. clean execution, staying away from negative plays and making a fre big plays on your own..

          I look at Team that many say stunk last Year
          let’s say the Vikings who finish 6-9-1 but lost 3 Games in the Final
          4 Minutes of 3 Ball Games (Cowboys,Ravens & Steelers) and then Blew a 14 Pt lead late in the 4th Quarter to settle for a Tie with the Packers..
          my point is, the margin of Victory and Defeat is very small and there will be 4-5 Very Good Teams every Season and there will be 3-4 really bad Teams with no QB, inexperienced or poor Coaching, GM, etc,etc.. but with the middle 20 Teams or so, there is very little difference between going 10-6 abd 6-10 .. Injuries,Bad Calles,Weather,Questionable Coaching..etc,etc

          • I don’t judge Barkley on his 2 games. I judge him on the fact much of his success in high school and in college was due to the fact that he had world class athletes around him the entire time. His HS, Mater Dei, is a big time private school who doesn’t give scholarships, but forgives tuition for athletes. It is a feeder school for USC. They are the equivalent if not a little bit stronger than St Joe’s Prep here except it is co-ed. Matt Leinart and one of the current SC Qbs also went there. That team is always stacked. Then at USC he had was surrounded by top recruiting classes every year. I would not be surprised to see him have no more success than Leinart and Sanchez.

            • Money with this post Bugsy!!!!!

    • Frank22, good stuff and its in line with what I said a few days ago and this morning about Riley cooper. If you can have a Riley cooper flourish in this offense, its more of the system then the player. Cooper had a career year, Foles had a career year, Vick 5-3, Foles 8-2, Desean had a career year, so did McCoy.. Of course the players gotta get it down, but this system that this coaching staff runs is player friendly and adapts to what type of player is in their running it.. We have a genius of a coach and hes surrounded himself with good teachers..

  • Lol I would try and trade for Terrel pryer

  • Yeah I don’t believe that to be true cause Vick sucked when he played as did Matt Barkley

  • The book is still out on Barkley.. You can’t judge him off of the two games he had played, both shitty situations to toss a rookie into. But I am not sold on him either. I’m just not someone to say with certainty that someone is not good unless it has been proven.

  • Realistically we should be looking at drafting a safety or two a WR or two and maybe a Linebacker also. Howie has said many times that they are gonna build this right. The defense made huge strides at the end of the season. It still needs work but I think we can afford to draft the pieces we need instead of signing guys for way too much. I would like Byrd or Ward but I just don’t see it happening. I also would like a big WR in the draft. I haven’t did my draft board yet but we have an extra month this year to wait.

    @gloomy no trades man unless it’s role players…..

    @ real Good analysis of the defense 14-17 points a game is a really good number. I think we could possibly hold out with Wolffe and Allen till any Draft picks mature…Still Iffy TBH. Would love to get a big huge guy in the middle…just eating up open space on run downs.

  • I wouldn’t be mad if they signed Nate Allen and had him and Wolfe next year and draft one in like the 4th rd and groom him as long as they get a fat dt and olb in free agency and a cb have all the avg players redo there deals and get a big wr

  • If your looking at it realistically Nate Allen wasn’t the problem this year it was Chung he was horrible

    • And gloomy this is what i have to say about Nate Allen. He’s comfortable with being a cover safety. We don’t just need a cover safety, we need a hitter back there and Nate Allen just simply isnt that kind of player. Now let me be clear, I wouldn’t mind bringing him back as a backup but by no means can I have him as my starter. We’ve been down this road too long with Nate, injury, inconsistencies in coverage, missed tackles.. He played better down the stretch, but i remember saying the same thing about him last season “he played much better down the stretch”. Id say gut the entire safety group except wolff, sign one in FA (Byrd or Ward, and draft 1 or 2.

      The true fan in me wants them to gut the entire group, and sign both Byrd and Ward, put Byrd at FS for hes more of a cover guy and Ward at SS whose more of a hitter. Then draft one and sign Wolff back or keep him on the original roster..

    • I’ve stated a few times and still believe that Nate Allen paired with a real Strong Safety is not that bad of a combination.. This is why I prefer TJ Ward or Mike Mitchell or even a Donte Whitner as a Free-agent Aquisition for Strong Safety and then let Nate Allen continue playing the Centerfield in Pass Coverages which I thought he played pretty well this Season

      I flat out release Chunfg, Let Coleman Walk and go into next Season
      with Ward/Mitchell or Whitner with Allen,Wollfe, and a Draft Pick

      • No more Nate Allen. He has had more than enough time to show something. No more mediocre play. We need killers back there in coverage. Not slow guys that get beat over the top or that shy away from contact or miss tackles all over the field. I’m tired of it.. It seems like we all keep making excuses for Nate every year. I’ve seen enough..

        • He’s not even a good cover safety JH. He lacks the instincts to be really effective, wouldn’t bother me if they released every safety on the roster and started over. Wait they can keep Wolff.

          • I agree Big L

  • Man if avant would’ve had atleast Maclin speed he would’ve been one of the best wr’s ever

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