• December 3, 2022

Ubaldo Jimenez Would Have Been A Better Signing For The Phils

MLB: Houston Astros at Cleveland IndiansJimenez would have been a better signing for the Phillies. Younger, cheaper and for more years; so whyis he taking the mound at Oriole Park at Camden Yards and not CBP?

Ubaldo Jimenez signed a four year deal with the Baltimore Orioles. At 12 million a season, the 30 year old right hander is young enough to still be productive for the length of his contract. He was solid for three seasons in Colorado; then four rough seasons splitting time with the Rockies and Indians, but returned to the “good” Jimenez in 2014, posting a 13-9 record with a 3.30 ERA.

Jimenez was available when Amaro threw 16 million dollars at A.J. Burnett. Paying a respectable number three pitcher in your rotation 12 million a season is the going rate in today’s game. So why did Amaro elect to sign Burnett over Jimenez? Is he more of a proven, veteran arm that has the playoff and World Series experience that will help the 2014 Phillies for their “championship push?” Was the mention of Jimenez ever uttered by Amaro, or was he under the assumption that his “young” talent in the farm system would be enough to win a few starting pitching spots in 2015?

The Phillies will go into the 2015 season with the unknown of Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez as their number three starter. Burnett will retire, he sort of “un-retired” this season. Cole is going nowhere, the same can’t be said about Lee, especially is all that needs to “go right” this season, “goes wrong” by the All-Star Break.

Is not signing Jimenez the latest flaw to the butchered Ruben Amaro resume; or was signing the veteran Burnett the better move?

Jeff Kolsky

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Oldphillyfan
Oldphillyfan
February 18, 2014 8:16 pm

MO AJ is a better pitcher. Based on the last 2 years, AJ is the safer choice. Any given night he can throw a 2 hitter.

mhenski
mhenski
February 18, 2014 8:28 pm
Reply to  Oldphillyfan

completely agree old Philly. gimme at this year than Morgan, biddle, Martin, or wright next year ( yes Phil’s got some pitching prospects)

ubaldo is a gas can that’s no better than Kendrick.

I would never want that guy for 4 years. completely disagree with this article with all due respect

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 18, 2014 8:44 pm
Reply to  mhenski

It’s just the lunacy of people writing ‘articles’ that have zero idea what they are talking about… Trying to get us suckers to respond

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 19, 2014 8:13 am
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

burnett is a better pitcher. As for the future I would say the future is now! They can get a $12million number 4 starter any off season if their minor leaguers don ‘t work out.

mhenski
mhenski
February 19, 2014 9:45 am
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

considering KK outpitched Jimenez over the last 5 years, i will take KK over him. while Jimenez may have 14+ wins this year that wont be a direct reflection of him. his ERA wont be 3.65 or less NO WAY. maybe 200 ks, but when his year is done his ERA will be over 4.25, his WHIP will be over 1.4… not worth it. id rather gamble on our farm next year and if it doesnt look good, take a flyer on someone like we did this year in AJ until we get farm arms.

Jimenez is nothing special and not as good as AJ. screw locking into some overrated gas can for 4 years.

jakedog
jakedog
February 18, 2014 10:41 pm

This is terrible so called journalism

I don’t play gm much, but to state that signing one year over multiple years is a mistake

You are one dumb mother you know what kolsky

mhenski
mhenski
February 19, 2014 9:45 am
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

we also have 3-4 arms that are very close to mlb ready…

jakedog
jakedog
February 18, 2014 10:44 pm

How is 48 million cheaper than 16 million

Your a dumb ass

DCar
DCar
February 19, 2014 12:07 am

Another “No duh article.”

DCar
DCar
February 19, 2014 12:09 am
Reply to  DCar

Meant “AAA duh”

DCar
DCar
February 19, 2014 12:16 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

Touche! 😉

paulman
paulman
February 19, 2014 7:42 am

Let Jeff write and stTe his opinion,
That’s what this Site is all about..
At least Jeff/Denny are contributing some fresh articles
During this slow part of the off-season
I and looking forward to the Combine this weekend and in particular, to see the field drills for the LB’s, CB & Safety as wll as WR
I am not too keen to the basics Drilks of the 40 Time, Verticle leap, etc, but I do pay attention on the field Drills, in how a player moves and changes direction, their ability to make plays on the ball, recovery speed, ease of coverage ability and movement, etc,etc..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 19, 2014 9:37 am

what is a Mutual Option?
AJ Burnett signed a 1 year deal for $16 million with a mutual option. Is this really a two year deal?

mhenski
mhenski
February 19, 2014 1:24 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

whats also cool/great about this AJ signing is if we blow come trade deadline AJ will get us assets!!!!!!!!!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 19, 2014 1:25 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

and thats ok!!!!

paulman
paulman
February 20, 2014 9:21 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I believe Burnett has a No-Trade Clause with his Deal and has stated that he chose to Pitch for Philly to be close to his Family’s Home in Maryland..

Everz11
Everz11
February 20, 2014 12:09 am

Sans the first half of 2010, Jimenez has been nothing more than a .500 pitcher with a formerly blazing fastball, that I should mention still couldn’t pitch well enough to strike-out a batter per inning. Since then, (age 26-30//his prime???) his FB has gone from averaging 96mph to 91mph (MLB average) and his ERA North of 4.00. I’ll pass on the 4 years for at best a #3 starter, who had a good half season in 2010 and a good half season in 2014. I’m all for bashing the alarming number of poor moves Amaro has made here recently, but signing Burnett over Jimenez is not one of them.

DonP
DonP
February 20, 2014 4:20 pm

Some u guys make me laugh the guyhas a 147-132 lifetime record u know what jimenez WAS a better deal what friggin assetts u expecting to get idiot you all making aj to be the answer. answer to what your ass! Like i said before cigar u must be smokin something else than cigars and u got couple these other guys taking hits

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2014 4:49 pm
Reply to  DonP

Jimenez has had one good year.. After that he is sub 500. No one thinks Burnett is the second coming of Tom Seaver… I just think and the numbers bear it out is he is more solid and consistent than Jimenez… Plus why lock in a 4th starter for 4 years??? A fourth or fifth starter… Makes no sense.

DonP
DonP
February 20, 2014 7:49 pm

Does to people that know baseball

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2014 8:06 pm
Reply to  DonP

Good luck with 4 years of a 4th or 5th starter… Brilliant move there. Didn’t you guarantee 16 wins or something? Hilarious

paulman
paulman
February 20, 2014 7:56 pm

More MLB News***
Atlanta Braves sign SS Simmonds to an extension and locking up another good young Player for the Future as they did with Closer Kimbrel,
Starter Tehran, 1B Freeman & RF Heyward ensuring a strong Core of good MLB players who are all still under the age of 26 and will only get better and better as the Braves have position themselves to compete with the Nationals for the next 4-5 Years for NL East supremacy..
Meanwhile in Clearwater…

mhenski
mhenski
February 20, 2014 8:10 pm
Reply to  paulman

Nats and braves are highly overrated. especially overrated is the braves joke of an overpaid outfield.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 20, 2014 8:23 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Hen you are correct… Phil’s fans are fawning over the braves… They have issues for sure

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2014 1:33 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Braves will compete for the 2014 Playoffs regardless of the stiff Upton Brothers who I see them getting rid of 1 of them this SUmmer and even
with old man Dan Uugla who only seems to hit Phils Pitching

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 20, 2014 8:31 pm

Starting a betting pool to find out which old geezer in the Phils infield can make it to the all star break without getting hurt.
3-1 Jimmy Rollins
8-1 Carlos Ruiz
15-1 Chase Utley
40-1 Ryan Howard

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 8:40 am

I see Ruin 2morrow, is living up to his name again. Not only has he ruined this franchise for the foreseeable future, but now he’s trying to ruin the lives, & college eligibility, of 2 of their draft picks from last year, because they decided not to sign here, & go back to college. He ratted them out to NCAA, for using an Agent/ Advisor, during their negotiations. POS, sticking, petty rats, for what they have done. Players use Agents as Advisors, all of the time, without officially hiring them as their Agent. This entire organization has become an embarrassment, to the entire MLB, & Ruin 2morrow, has officially solidified himself, as the biggest POS, & worst GM this city has ever had. This entire organization, from .300 Monty, down to the minor league bat boys, need to purged by an enema! What a f^#@ing nauseating disgrace! Amaro is nothing but a lying, condescending, inept, clueless, sad little man!!!! He must go!!!!

DonP
DonP
February 21, 2014 9:08 am

Lot of players got hip long time ago this team and franchise,owners,etc a waste they know better to sign elsewhere they dont want to be invovled with this debacle at senior citizens bank like them moving to a 55 & over at age of 21

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2014 9:32 am

What amaro or someone under his command did to these young men is disgraceful and is a stain on the phillies brand

One of the players, a pitcher, still has yet to be cleared to play by the NCAA, another fraudulent organization that has direct contro over these athletes without any interest other than profit

This story makes me want to see the phillies finish in last place so this disgraceful general manager is finally let go.

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 10:00 am
Reply to  jakedog

jake, now you see, what I’ve been talking about, for 3 years now.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2014 10:18 am
Reply to  jakedog

Jake not that it matters but maybe we should wait until the entire story comes out maybe these kids and their families were complete assholes, maybe the agents they hired were complete assholes. There has to be more to this story they aren’t the only kids the Phillies drafted that remained in school and didn’t sign. But hey let’s just be mindless sheep and believe everything written.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 21, 2014 10:42 am
Reply to  Biglion821

BL how dare you act as a voice of reason… Wait for the entire story instead of just going ballistic?
If true someone should be fired… But again let’s wait for the entire story to unfold

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2014 10:43 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I shouldn’t go here because I got on you guys yesterday, but can Jon Hart check with his sources on this? LMAO

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2014 10:42 am

I know the process somewhat big

Unlike the nfl players cannot declare for the draft, there are limited Times they are draft eligible, mainly high school seniors, and juniors and seniors in college

The pitcher amaro ratted out was a fifth round pick, he had an advisor like many, most high round picks, although at the fifth round that is not high and doesn’t get big bonus money, which is the only motivating factor to leave school, a degree, since all minor leaguers are essentially paid the same, starting pay for rookie and A- about $1500 a month, less than minimum wage when considering the hours these guys put in.

No, this story will get worst for the Phillies and amaro

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 21, 2014 11:29 am
Reply to  jakedog

My brother played minor league ball Jake I am aware of the process, all I’m saying is the Phils don’t sign every player they draft something happened with these two kids.

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2014 10:51 am

The story on its face, which the Phillies have not disputed is enough to blacken the Phillies reputation. If the Phillies were not the source that rattled this young man out they would have immediately publicly stated so.

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2014 10:52 am

And props to dcar who sniffed out this bum years ago

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 21, 2014 11:58 am

Amaro deflected the issue to Marti Wolever, Assistant General Manager, Amateur Scouting.

jakedog
jakedog
February 21, 2014 2:08 pm

You don’t think amaro knew what his subordinates were doing, he knew, probably directed it, regardless it looks real bad for the Phillies, reminiscent of the way the eagles operated with Banner

The Phillies are now the old eagles under banner