Pryor is a hard hitting safety that will make you think twice about coming over the middle of the field. He will hit you in the mouth and separate the receiver from the football. He is a leader on the field and in the locker room and would like to be remembered as one of the best to ever play his position.
Make no mistake, he is a run-defender first, able to shed blocks and demonstrate vision to find the small openings and attack the line of scrimmage. He is a play-maker, locates the point of the football well with his ability to force fumbles. Pryor has shown improvement playing man to man coverage, and is best suited for a zone based scheme until his pass defense skills become stronger.
His overall speed is good but not great, so he relies on his instincts to be at the right place at the right time, taking good routes when the ball is in the air.
His style of play at times resembles Brian Dawkins, the player he inspires to be like. Dawkins was his favorite player as a kid, and his uncle played with B-Dawk while at Clemson, so stories of the work ethic and personality have also shaped Pryor.
Pryor will likely be selected before the Eagles select at pick #22. Moving up into the 14-16 range would likely be required to take him in the first round.
With signing Jenkins in the off-season, the team being high on what Wolff can do in his second season and re-signing veteran Nate Allen as insurance if Wolff does not improve, do the Eagles truly value a guy like Pryor and the “safety position” enough to move up and draft him?
If the Eagles elect to wait until after day one to add depth to the safety position, players on day two, three and guys likely to go undrafted offer a variety of speed/size/play-making abilities for Kelly and Roseman to pick from.
Deone Bucannon is a guy that I like and that the Eagles had in for a pre-draft visit. I don’t think he will remain on the board until the Eagles make their second round selection, so a move up in the second round would be needed.
Lonnie Ballentine, remember this name. He played safety in college, and could remain at the position or be moved to cornerback. He is “freakish” athlete that with the right coaching; could be an impactful player.
Round 2
Deone Bucannon (Washington State)- Similar playing style of Calvin Pryor, but a grade behind with his overall skill set. Could start day one for many teams, and end up as one of the top safeties in this draft class.
Terrence Brooks (Florida State)-Leadership, intelligence and a desire to be the best at his position. What he lacks in size he makes up with speed and ability to dissect the offense.
Round 3
Brock Vereen (Minnesota)-Smaller in size, has the cornerback and safety experience, more of a coverage guy then square and tackle player.
Round 4
Ed Reynolds (Stanford)- Pac 12 kid, so a good chance Chip is familiar with him. He is a “nice” player, but nothing impressive about this kid.
Dezmen Southward (Wisconsin)-Fast, aggressive with style of play. Not fluid with his movements and technique needs coaching. Tough, willing to play through injury.
Round 5
Ahmad Dixon (Baylor)-Fast and reckless with his body. Likes the physicality of the game and does not mind mixing it up after the whistle is blown.
Dontae Johnson (North Carolina State)-Former teammate of current Eagle Earl Wolff. Similar measurements and skill set as Wolff. Johnson played both cornerback and safety during his college career.
Round 6
Tre Boston (North Carolina)-Former cornerback who has the size to play at safety at the next level. Has good hands and closing speed, and is able to pluck the ball out of the air with solid instincts.
Round 7-Undrafted
Jonathan Dowling (Western Kentucky) – Played safety at college, but could see a move to CB at NFL with his tall and lean build.
Isaiah Lewis (Michigan State)-Good in all areas, nothing that will wow you both with skill set upside and size to play at the next level.
Lonnie Ballentine (Memphis)-At 6’3” and 219 pounds, this kid is not just huge but he is also fast and strong. Has not been tested against elite college receivers, but his physical make-up is something that can’t be overlooked.
Thomas Gordon (Michigan)-Started his entire career, experienced against top receivers.
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Did you see that brawl in the stands?
yea bugs saw the brawl in the stands. there was some crazy jon “bones” jones elbows being thrown.
also saw the video of the same rangers fan getting absolutely drilled on the escalator after he threw his drink on a flyers fan. YOU GOTTA SEE THIS VIDEO. its on barstoolsports DOT com
Holy eff. He got popped. Serves that db right. Obviously didn’t learn his lesson in the stands.
i dont see anyway we win tonight
Lundqvist is gonna be real good tonight, so they are gonna have to be really disciplined and win a low scoring game. Gotta get some PP tallys and keep up the physical play.
imo rangers have dominated the ice every single game from start to finish except last nights game. hopefully whatever we did last night we do again tonight and win.
flyers looked fast last night and rangers looked like they had cement skates
Yeah moving Raffl up helped and I didn’t think having Hartnell and Simmonds on the same line would be a good idea, but they were out there throwing there weight around. They got to find a way to keep Schenn at center going forward.
Nice Article Jeff…
You left out Jimmie Hall who is the 3rd Rate Safety behind Dix & Pryor
and a likely early-mid 2nd Round Selection..
Here’s a few more Safety’s that I like as Prospects in the Mid-Late Rounds
3rd/4th Rd – Craig Bostic (LSU 6-2 217lbs)
3rd/4th Rd – Dion Bailey (USC 6-0 201lbs)
4th Rd – Kenny Ladler (Vanderbilt 6-0 207lbs)
6th Rd – Daniel Sorensen (BYU 6-1 205lbs)
6th/7th – Maurice Alexander (Utah St 6-1 220lbs)
UDFA – Deron Furr (Ft Valley State 6-3 230lbs)
UDFA – Hakeem Smith (Louisville 6-0 200lbs)
UDFA – Pierre Warren ( Jacksonville State 6-0 200lbs)
I left out Hall and some of the other guys you included as I don’t see them as a good fit for the Eagles, either with what we already have on the roster or how I expect their defense to continue shaping out as in the 3-4.
Got it Jeff.. Just keeping you on your toes..
Check out this Kenny Ladler from Vanderbilt.. has some promise I believe in the NFL
I just can’t believe I may have to wait nine more days before we actually draft someone since we will most likely trade down to 2nd rd.
Wow we are gonna get these weirdos started on Pryor again we don’t need safety we do but we don’t for this very reason I’ve never seen a safety be good with a pass rush or good cb’s in front of them and last time I checked the eagles had neither so what are we getting Pryor now.
And on a side note I think eagles have decided to be great on offense and allow there defense to be below avg. cause there cb’s and safety’s in fa this year that could’ve helped them and they chose otherwise and I’m not mad at them in today’s nfl you either have a great offense or defense not both.
Great offense
Great special teams
Below avg defense
In chip we trust
I don’t think we get Pryor because they feel if Wolff does not step up, they have Allen as insurance. They will target rounds 4-5 for safety, a guy who also has experience and the athletic tools to also play cornerback.
Ease up on your quick to declare below avg d. You have your film from last year, and yes, we could have signed bigger names this offseason. Making the change to a 3-4 takes time, and the right players. They already had some who did not play this year due to injury, others they signed in FA, and more will be added in the draft.
Eagles will not be a top 12 D, but the top 12 defense took a few years to draft the right guys to get to that point.
Chip has been here 1 yr. Be patient, the D will be better this year, how much is still a wait and see…..
Well I guess I’m one of those Pryor wierdos as you gloomy are a trade all over the universe wierdo. If Pryor, whowill be a stud pro safety is on the board you take him. That’s the problem with this defense now. ignoring positions saying we do not need this or that. 29th ranked pass defense in the league…please don’t hand me Malcom Jenkins and re-signing Nate Allen and EarlWolffe who was scared to go back out and play on his knee after he recieved medical clearance to do so. We don’t have earl Thomas because of your type of thinking gloomy. It’s a terrible way to draft. We need a pass rusher too, but unless Barr falls, there will be none thereI consider worth taking at 22. To say we do not need to increase the talent at safety is foolish.
I don’t think it will be better cole will be a year older Cary Williams sucks Logan is to small to play dt cox doesn’t fit the 3-4 earl Wolfe is an unknown Bradley Fletcher sucks. The best player in the secondary can only get on the field in the nickle defense Demeco Ryan’s is year older and was already suspect in pass coverage Kendrick’s is ok but he misses to many assignments no depth Behind either ilb or olb for that matter graham and curry better suited for 4-3 when you see all of this it =s below avg
So you are saying the team will be horrible? For such a horrible team they went 10-6 last year, no matter how you try to spin it they went 10-6. They didn’t go 10-6 by being a horrible team. Didn’t they go over 2 months without allowing someone to score 21 points? Looking back, no other defense had a streak as long. I’m not saying they are very good, but they are not made up of sucky players that can’t play. With a few draft picks, some players returning from injury, and players now a year into the scheme…they will be better.
The only reason why the eagles were good last year is because of foles and shady if Vick would’ve started the whole year we would’ve won 6games max we didn’t go 10-6 cause of this sorry ass defense I know that billy Davis comes up with good schemes his schemes are better than his personnel. This defense is the worst undersized and undermanned you and everybody else seen that in the playoff game couldn’t stop the run no pass rush and no playmakers outside of Boykin and he can’t even start. So if think this defense is good your crazy now I’ll tell you billy Davis is good. Lucky I’m not incharge of this team everybody would be gone off this defense except Boykin, Kendrick’s & Barwin and maybe earl Wolfe everybody else either doesn’t fit or is too small or is just a flat out bum.
So people/teams don’t get better with experience? So all the players came out the womb as good as they are now?
As far as your “doesn’t fit or is to small or a flat out bum” statement……Boykin, Kendricks, and Wolfe are all to “small” by NFL standards. So now you have no players and don’t have the ability to acquire such needed players. It is IMPOSSIBLE to totally rebuild a team in 2 years.
The only reason the Broncos made the SB was bc of their offense, so I guess you’d cut all of their players? Or the only reason the Seahawks made the SB was bc of their defense, so now you’ll cut their offense? No team has a perfect offense and defense.
I think you have a better chance of the eagles trading in the top 10 to draft mike evans before they ever even look at Pryor. Eaglehaslanded I would rather have Kyle fuller or justin Gilbert before Pryor
The defense isnt going to be fixed in one year, that’s clear. I just think safety is more of a presssing need than cb. I know you can’t stand Cary Williams, I think the corner situation is better than the safety position, that’s why I’d select Pryor first. I don’t know how much either corner, Fuller or Gilbert would play this year as they get acclimated to Davis’ scheme. Pryor comes in and starts in September. I’m telling you, I watched Pryor a ton this year. I’m not going off of what I read and combine performances. He can flat out play!
I think he’s good Eagle, but not as good as some on here would think.
No way..it will take to much to trade up to 10 for Evans, who I believe goes to the Bucs at pick 7. The Eagles would have about a total of three picks if they traded up for Evans. If he (Evans) was the final piece to a Superbowl dynasty team, I’d say go for it. That’s not the case. The Falcons gave up the house, barn and shed for Julio Jones, they still have not won squatta!
I wouldn’t do that either what I’m saying is you have a better chance of the eagles drafting evans compared to them drafting Pryor. And Pryor doesn’t start day one the only way he plays is if somebody gets hurt earl Wolfe the only reason he played was because Chung got hurt other wise he wouldn’t had played at all this year if earl can’t play there gonna let Nate Allen play. As a matter of fact I could see something where the eagles don’t take a safety at all this draft.
The Eagles will take a safety. As far as Pryor is concerned, it will ultimately be determined if he’s available and who elseis on the board at 22. If he was the highest rated player on their board at 22, he’s an Eagle. We will knowhow it all pans out in 11 days!
Eagles will not Draft a Safety b4 the 5th Round
WR,TE,DT,CB all before a Safety is Selected would be my guess
Eaglehaslanded don’t get your hopes up if Pryor , Barr and cooks all on the board @22 there selection will go Barr,cooks, trade back, Pryor
Gloomy scratch Cooks off that list remember Chip’s vision is tall big receivers. Cooks is neither.
I agree, scratch Cooks gloomy, I know you like and want him. I don’t see Cooks in the Eagles future….neither does Kelly.
Have you heard chip say that’s what he wants in his wr’s or is that what everybody thinks he wants cause if that’s the case he could get cooks and then get a big tight end.
Keep an eye on my sleeper pick TE Troy Niklas from Notre Dame at
6-7″ – 270 lbs and can actually run, kid’s an awesome blocker and a decent receiver and a huge Red-Zone Target.. He’s one of these guys that actually enjoys blocking and contact and enjoys taking a defenders head off…
I believe Eagles Select him at #54
1st 2 Picks for the Eagles
#22 WR Cody Latimer ( Indiana 6-3″ – 215lbs)
#54 TE Troy Nicklas (Notre Dame 6-7′ – 270lbs)
Then DT,CB, LB & OL,Safety
Paul..if the Eagles draft Nicklas in the second round you will hear me screaming WTF from Philly!
It could very well happen, don’t be shocked
TE Casey nay not even make 2014 Roster unless he does some great things this Summercand Celek has 1-2 Years Tops and is not athketic or a good enough Blocker that Kelky is looking for..
I like this Nicklas TE and thing he would be a great addition
To the Eagles Offense.. May only catch 20 Passes a Season for 4-5 TD’s but his Blocking is outstanding..
I’d prefer an Austin Saferian Jenkins, who did improve on his blocking and ran a 4.58 at his pro day. Nicklas is the old school classic TE, I think Kelley wants a little more diversity in his players skill set. I believe the Eagles will draft another TE…I’d be dumbfounded if it was Nicklas though.
TE Jenkins has work ethic/attitude problems and is not the type of Player that Kelly is looking for..
He also is not a very good blocker god a Pkayer his size..
Stay away from him
Nickas is thf perfect complement to Ertz..
ANC would be huge as a lead blocker out of ths vack field on short yardage & red-zone ..
Niklas would actually be the perfect player for Kelly at TE opposite Ertz. NE which takes heavy from the Kelly philosophy target two specific tight ends one for blocking other for passing mismatches. And Kellys main praise for Celek was that he was busting his ass blocking.
Troy Niklas is an absolute monster. 6-6 270 basically lining up another OL. Can block and has nice hands decent speed for a guy his size.
Kelly go beserk with him in the lineup.you could go 3 the sets with him on the field.
I really like this Niklas kid and would be happy if they Select him in the 2nd ROund.. This guy just mauls LB,s and DB’s down field
Split him out in the Slot, throw a quick pass or bubble route to Maclin and this guys clears out the pursuit.. They could get 10-15 Yards every time on this type of Play
another great formation would be to have Niklas split out wide to the left, then come in motion towards the line of scrimmage,
Snap the ball, pitch out to McCoy or Sproles to the left while Niklas cracks blocks down on the Left DE, meanwhile Peters Pulls out to his left and takes out LB/Safety and McCoy/Sproles running to daylight…
I haven’t heard him say it, but Jeffrey Lurie said it that’s why he signed off on Deseans release.
No they signed off on djack cause he was getting 11million and he was an asshole and did things his own way not chips way.
Did you hear Chip or Howie or Lurie say that Gloomy? I damn sure didn’t.
The only reason why the eagles were good last year is because of foles and shady if Vick would’ve started the whole year we would’ve won 6games max we didn’t go 10-6 cause of this sorry ass defense I know that billy Davis comes up with good schemes his schemes are better than his personnel. This defense is the worst undersized and undermanned you and everybody else seen that in the playoff game couldn’t stop the run no pass rush and no playmakers outside of Boykin and he can’t even start. So if think this defense is good your crazy now I’ll tell you billy Davis is good. Lucky I’m not incharge of this team everybody would be gone off this defense except Boykin, Kendrick’s & Barwin and maybe earl Wolfe everybody else either doesn’t fit or is too small or is just a flat out bum.
Gloomy, to not give DJax any credit and fail to mention him in the same breath as Shady and Foles exposes a serious bias and flaw in your ability to fairly assess him as a player with a unique skill set.I truly believe you have a personal dislike for him which is your business, but, I seriously believe it impacts/effects your ability to give him credit and acknowledge what he brings to the field as far as over all production stat wise and in the intangibles that do not appear on the stat sheet.. 60 first downs, the most 20+ yardsper catch, stretching defenses and pulling the top off of coverages 82 for 1332. Every analyst I’ve heard understands the impact he had as it relates to the offenses success, even those who don’t care for hime personally acknowledges what he meant to this teams offensive production. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. You refuse to yield and give him any credit which takesaway from your credibility. If anyone could do that and fill in, why draft a wideout to replace him. Slide Damaris Johnson in there….lol!
Djack was putting up numbers with Vick in there but they were losing when he was the only target. Mesean had a great year he will most Likely never see that again. But foles is the future him shady and ertz. But mesean had a great year i will miss his big plays but I won’t miss his me first attitude.
Eagles trade #22 pick to the
Oakland raiders for #36 &68
#36-Cody Latimer*, WR, Indiana
Height: 6-2. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
#54-Troy Niklas, TE, Notre Dame
Height: 6-6. Weight: 270.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
#68-Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina
Height: 6-6. Weight: 272.
40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
#86-Christian Jones, OLB/ILB, Florida State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
40 Time: 4.74.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
#122-Lamarcus Joyner, CB/S, Florida State
Height: 5-8. Weight: 184.
40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
#162-Aaron Colvin, CB, Oklahoma
Height: 5-11. Weight: 177.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2014): 4-6.
#237-Brandon Thomas, OT/G, Clemson
Height: 6-3. Weight: 316.
40 Time: 5.09.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
This is there best option.
Your stealing all my Players Gloomy..
C’Mon Man…
No to CB L Joyner who is a slot CB which is what Boykin plays..
The Eagles want to get bigger, longer in the Seconday and not add another Slot CB..
Paulman I am about 2 hours from FSU so I have a little bias towards the players there but let me tell you if Joyner was 3 inches taller he’d be the first safety/corner off the board kid is a better defensive player then the honey badger, the guys drafted from FSU will be very successful pro players, Jimbo Fisher has changed the mindset and work ethics of these kids. Both Smiths the Jernigan kid, Benjamin will be productive pros.
Jernigan to me is a Brodrick Bunkley Clone Biggie…
Jernigan is much more active and athletic than Bunkley ever was…
Jernigan is only 21, and he will get bigger, stronger and has a bright future but I think he is best suited as a Pass-Rushing DT in a 4-3 Scheme and really doesn’t fit the 3-4 Scheme .. He only goes about 295lbs, as does, DT Prospect Aaron Donald.. Could they be used as a 5-Technique DE for the Eagles 3-4 Scheme and then used a Pass-Rushing DT when 4 DL are employed in Passing Situations… I believe they can..
Guaranteed same type of career – Brodrick Bunkley – nothing special
I am down in NC Biggy so I watch lots of ACC/SEC Football and I like some the FSU players upside, but just not for the Eagles
CB Joyner is 5-8 185lbs, Where does he play besides the SLOT CB Position which the Eagles already have Boykin to do..
LB Telvin Smith goes at 220lbs and is way too small to play LB in the NFL, can he be converted to Safety ? I don’t know and don’t like the idea of moving Players around to different Positions..
DT Jernigan has a lot of Upside and think he will have a solid NFL Career
WR Benjamin I am not sold on.. Yes he’s big & strong, I am just not sure about his lack of speed and explosion coming off the line of Scrimmage to create any separation and his Hands,Blocking,Route Running for a Player his Size are inconsistent and questionable.. He works hard, gets and takes to good Coaching, I think he can be a nice Player in 2-3 Years Time, but he will have some adjustment’s to make as all Players coming into the NFL need to make .. He should be able to develop into a great Red-Zone Target for whoever Selects him
If Telvin Smith would move to safety he’d be a monster, your right about Joyner he wouldn’t have a position in this roster.
Also paulman the RB position is no longer a valued position but both of the FSU guys Devanta Freeman and James Wilder Jr will probably make NFL rosters and the safety Terrance Brooks will also be drafted between the 3rd and 4th rounds and be a very good pro. FSU will also have a better team team this year than last year. The RB taking over Karlos Williams is a absolute beast.
I do like Safety Brooks and wouldn’t mind seeing the Eagles Select him.. He can be a Nice Back-up and Special Teams Demon in his 1st Year or 2 and then compete for a Starters Spot in 2015/2016
Telvin Smith is getting moved to Safety unless he puts on 20lbs of muscle and I agree if he is open to it and doesnt drop in speed he can be a Kam Chancellor type beast and still play the LB role in Dime Nickel packages.
He would be a great pickup if you can get him 3-5.
I wouldn’t even consider him with a Draft Pick
maybe as an Undrafted Free-Agent if he was still out there
but I would not spend a 3rd-5th or even a 7th Rd Pick on a Player who I know is physically over-matched and needs to be moved to a Position he’s never played or hasn’t played since Pee-Wee Football… Too many other Players to select from who are at their Natural Positions with experience
He’s similar to former Eagle LB Clayton who was athletic as hell but had no position to play in the NFL..
Disagree. Smith is a top prospect and you see LB to Safety conversions all the time in the NFL. Thomas Davis for example. I have no issue with the switch because he was on the field making plays regardless of his position and a lot of time in college its just coaches sticking guys on the field to the have the best talent out there.
Look at his highlights etc his role as WLB was more of an in the box safety position anyways.
Now if he doesn’t have the instinct or brains to make the conversion thats the other thing.
Thomas Davis was a beast at Safety in college and was and still is a good pro at LB with blown out knees.
Remember how Urlacher was used in college as both a LB and S?
Give me an example of a LB who switched to Safety and was effective at it..
Thomas Davis and Urlacher went from Playing Safety in College to LB in the NFL and not the other way around..
I could see QB’s Aaron Rodgers eyes light up like a Pumpkin if Urlacher s were playing the Safety Position in the NFL
I agree with you Pman, but have to laugh. Weren’t you the guy who was constantly calling for Keenan Clayton to be moved to safety?
As far as Telvin Smith, IMO he is too small for LB in the NFL….218 pounds will get run over by the offensive linemen in this league….if he is going to play it would be at Safety, but he has already stated that he will not make the move. I do not want the Eagles picking another undersized linebacker.
Yes I did say that numerous times with Kennan Clayton for I knew he could never play LB at the NFL Level so why not stick him at Safety where he played High School and his first Season at Oklahoma.. He was All-State High School Safety for Texas and was recruited to play Safety at Oklahoma.. I would neevr have Drafted Clayton to begin with, but since they did, and it was obvious he was too small to play NFL LB, then they should have transitioned him back to his natural posittion
Now fast forward 4 years later, I would not Drafat a Player who has to make such a transition to another Poaition, maybe with a 7th Round Pick or an Undrafted Free-Agent I would by not with a 3rd/4th/5th Round Pick…
It’s one thing to go from CB to Safety or an ILB to OLB switch
but a LB to Safety is a huge transition at the NFL Level
First two picks you go best player available outside of QB/RB/T. That damn simple, we are stacked nowhere on this team except for possibly RB.This is the year Cox/Kendricks/Boykins draft bears fruit. I’m only banking on Kendricks as an all pro caliber player but after 2 seasons that was supposed to be Stewart Bradley as well.
Again this team drafted 30 plus players from 2010 to 2012. Top 6 picks c from 2010 2011 produced only Nate Allen.
Let that sink in… Nate Allen.
Asinine thinking that Kelly somehow inherited an awesome team that just needed a change is ridiculous.
We don’t have the talent base of the top teams and its not close. Denver between 2010 2013 have drafted close to 14 starters and with key reserves. And they blew a pick on tebow.
That’s how you build a winner.
I’ve been thinking latimer and the tight end from Notre Dame only reason I picked him is cause I think the top 2 te’s will be off the board when the eagles pick. I don’t see any wr’s also fit shay they need size/speed/blocking combo latimer fits it perfect he was the strongest wr at the combine. It’s other wr’s I wouldn’t mind having but I don’t think they will be reedy to play for a couple of years where latimer is ready now.
The list of players I don’t want the eagles to draft
1.calvin Pryor- if were one player away sure but we need pass rush and cbs more than him.
2. Marqise Lee*, WR, USC – he does nothing for and he looks small
3. Kelvin Benjamin**, WR, Florida State – big and slow no worded people are talking about moving him to tight end
4. Odell Beckham, Jr.*, WR, LSU – if we were able to get in the 3rd rd I would take him but not in the 1st
5. Aaron Donald, DE/DT/OLB, Pittsburgh- we have enough of these guys on our team that are undersized and don’t fit the scheme let’s not add another one.
6. Louis Nix, DT, Notre Dame – would take in rd 2 not the 1 st motor is there
7. Ra’Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota – same thing would take him in the 2nd or 3rd
9. Timmy Jernigan*, DT, Florida State- another sized guy we don’t play the 4-3 anymore we have a bunch of players that should but we don’t.
10. Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn- I just don’t like his game he has little to no power not many moves.
11. Kony Ealy*, DE, Missouri – another 4-3 player
12. Michael Sam, DE/OLB, Missouri – I think we all know why we shouldn’t select him lol
13. Johnny Manziel**, QB, Texas A&M – don’t need the circus
14. Ryan Shazier*, OLB, Ohio State – unless your gonna put him in the middle stay away.
Howie stay away from these guys at all cost. They either won’t fit or will bring the circus with them.
1. Calvin Pryor- If we were one player away sure but we need pass rush and cb’s more than him.
Gloomy, that’s why we passed on Earl Thomas and took Brandon Graham, because we needed a pass rusher and Reid devalued the safety position.. You can’t draft with need in mind, that’s how you end up with Danny Watkins. You obviously think Pryor is a player…good enough to help get you over the top. If that player is available when you pick you take him because eventually you will be there and you don’t have to worry about getting that safety.
That’s not true they drafted for need with cox and all of y’all love him on here
They also drafted for need with Maclin
And if I can get Barr in the 1st and maybe deon Buchanan in the 2nd I’m cool with that safety isn’t gonna help unless we have pass rush.
Hell I have an even better one for you Eaglehaslanded I want you to tell me the last great safety that didn’t either have great cb’s in front of them or a great pass rush.
Cox was drafted under Reid to play 4-3 tackle, not 3-4 end. Personally, I didn’t want them to draft Cox so I can not be counted amongst those who love him. Again, Maclin is under the Reid regime when they did draft for need. You’re proving my point….DON’T DO IT!
Absolutely Barr and Bucannon if possible.
Just because you do not have a great D line or Cb’s working in concert with you at the safety position doesn’t diminish those skills. It also does/t mean you ignore the position because you have failed to put top notch talent on the d line and at the cb position. If Calvin Pryor is the best player available at 22, but then you have a pass rusher or corner back rated lower, you take the safety, even if your need is greater at the d line and or cb position.
Hell, I’d trade down to pick up an extra two and walk away with Deone Bucannon, Cody Latimer or Martavis Bryant and Christian Jones. Then try to pick up Jeremiah Attachou or Marcus Smith with my third pick.
I believe I read in Kempski or McClanes article that in 3 years only about 33% of a team is intact after drafts etc. Constant turnover. Thats why you take the best player available. You can fill your holes around that.
You will keep players from previous regimes if they are talented enough. However when you have a philosophy change coming off of terrible drafts and terrible play most of the time you have to rip the ENTIRE team up.
So i guess if Johnny manziel is there highest rated player they should take him then if he’s there @22. Man I’m glad there isn’t any great rb’s people would be talking about getting them. Eagles needs goes as followed
1.olb
2.dline
3.cb
4.wr
5.oline
6.ilb
7.te
8.safety
That’s a trite argument gloomy…trite. However, why did the Eagles take Barkley…because Chip felt he was great value at that pick! Pryor or Barr is great value at 22 as most draft boards have them both going by pick 20. Where do the Eagles pick…22. Safety continues to be a huge need on a team ranked 29 against the pass and if you can get a top talent to help in the defensive backfield you do it.
He took Barkley cause he wasn’t sold on foles and wanted a backup plan in case Vick was Vick
No, he felt he was best value. That’s what was said in the draft presser.
gloomy, how do you have safety as 8th on chart of important needs, behind O-line, TE, ILB, & D-line? The safety position is no better than last years team. We replaced Chung, with NO’s Chung. It’s the same unit, that was 30th in the league.
Needs should be-
1a- Safety.
1b- ROLB.
1c- WR.
2- CB.
3- NT.
4- ILB.
5- O-line depth.
6- D-line depth.
Thank God you ain’t a gm. BTW, for you to you wouldn’t draft Pryor, nor Lee, shows you know nothing about them, & never watched them play. Health permitting, both will be studs in the NFL. Bank on it!
DCar…finally, a voice of reason. Exactly.
Eagles, don’t let the trolls hear you say that, you’ll be ripped & criticized for complementing me. That’s the reason why I haven’t been on here much lately. Not all, can be as smart, & a pleasant breath of air to talk to, like gmcliff, paul, bugsy, xevious, biglion, sometimes mhenski, & yourself. Nothing but trolls, racists, baiters, & ignorant imbeciles on here anymore.
Thank you howie he just said the strength of this draft is at wr,cb & Oline and he said he expects earl Wolfe to take a big jump in year 2. At least he sees the big picture.
That’s why you can hold off on drafting them with a #1 pick, because there the strength. When you have a chance to get stud players take them as there will not be players of that caliber around later.
Jeff Moesher who was at Howie’s press conference just said chip really likes Kelvin Benjamin, but the Eagles can hold off from drafting a receiver early because they know that they can get one in the 3rd or 4th round, and that’s my point. We all know it’s a strong draft class in certain positions. That’s why if a player who should be a stud falls to you where that position (not player) isn’t strong in this draft class, you take him…period.
Does anyone feel the “eh” for Benjamin? You can’t ignore the size, but his talent does now wow me. I’m sure he would have a solid role in our offense if drafted, and could become a Plaxico Burress type guy, but I’d rather other Wr’s in round 1 if we did draft one there.
I don’t think Latimer falls to Eagles in round 2, he has moved up to what many think is a first round pick.
In round 2, I see us looking at Landry (LSU), Moncrief and maybe Adams/Mathews but I see them both gone in addition to the Penn State kid.
GMCliff’s hand is raised Jeff – I don’t see anything special outside of size.
Landry is a Round 3 Selection.. Most have him anywhere from the 80th -100th Rated Prospect..
Latimer will not last to #54 — If the Eagles are truly sold on him, then they probably need to slide back from #22, gain some more picks and then grab him..
The Key for the Eagles ability to Trade Back will be most likely determined by the QB’s of this Class. If all 3-4 QB’s slide down which is a real possibility then Teams later in the 1st Round (Chiefs at #23, Browns #26,Texans at #33, Jags #35, Raiders at #36, Vikings #40) will likely want to move back up into the 1st Round to get them.. If the QB’s go Early, then the likeliehood of Teams wanting to jump back into the end of the 1st Round are minimized
I think if the Jags,Browns and Raiders all pass on QB early on, than the QB sliding down will occur… If Browns take QB at #4
then the Raiders, Vikings will likely do the same.. A swing Team could be the Titans at #11 and the Cardinals at #20 who may take a QB to groom for the Future..
Paulman’s Mock Draft (5 Variations of the 1st 3 Selections)
Scenario # 1
1st – WR Cody Latimer (Indiana 6-3 215lbs)
2nd – TE Troy Niklas (Notre Dame 6-7 270lbs)
3rd – DT Da’Quan Jones (Penn State 6-3 322lbs)
Scenario # 2
1st – CB Kyle Fuller (Va Tech 6-0 195lbs)
2nd – WR DaVante Adams (Fresno St 6-1 215lbs)
3rd – DT Ego Furguson (LSU 6-3 315lbs)
Scenario # 3
1st – LB CJ Mosley (Alabama 6-2 235lbs)
2nd – DE Kareem Martin (UNC 6-6 272lbs)
3rd – DT Justin Ellis (Lousiana Tec 6-2 334lbs)
Scenario #4
1st – DT Ra’Sheede Hageman (Minnesota 6-6 318lbs)
2nd – WR Kelvin Benjamin (Fla State 6-5 240lbs)
3rd – CB Marcus Roberson (Florida 6-1 190lbs)
Scenario #5
1st – Guard Xavier Sua’Filo (UCLA 6-4 310lbs)
2nd – CB Phillip Gaines (Rice 6-0 193lbs)
3rd – DT Caraun Reid (Princeton 6-2 305lbs)
paul, you want to draft another luxury, non-need TE, in the 2nd round, when we have many other holes to fill, & depth to add? I like your #2, & #3, but you can have the rest.
Me I’d prefer, barring trades.
#1- Pryor/ Mosely/ Fuller.
#2- Latimer/ Matthews/ Buchannon.
#3- Jean- Baptiste/ Desir/ Reilly.
#1- I’ll take it.
#2- Can we throw Moncrief in there for round 2? I think WR in round 2 is the way to go.
#3- I’m not a fanof Jean-Baptiste. Looking past his overall size, his actual skills and length of time playing the position does not excite me. I think Desir has a great passion and dedication for the game, the question on him is the level of competition he played against. Reilly is tough dude, how he fits into a 3-4 will be a little work, but I think he could absolutely help this team.
Jeff, I like Moncrief too, but he might not be there. Jean-Baptiste is going to be good, & will give the flexibility to play at Safety also. Same goes for McGill. Who knows, maybe we get lucky, & actually draft correctly this year. Hopefully no more project RT’s in the 1st, luxury TE’s in the 2nd, rotational reaches in the 3rd, & a stiff waste QB in the 4th again, like last year!
I’m with you on Logan, I said with my take on the available NT’s, we knew we needed a big guy, we got a big guy who is on the smaller side, but I’ll give him a full season before making my final decision. Barkley was a value pick, and a “Chip” here is a toy you wanted in college, welcome to the NFL toy.
As far as this draft, I don’t think the Eagles should take a QB, offensive lineman, RB, DE or TE. 6 picks… Not many… CB, S, 2 LB and 2 WR.
Jeff, I agree with you as to where they should target position wise if the talent is there when they pick.
They do not need two WRs. And they do not need a starter. They need a slot guy. You can win a lot of games with the two we have if they are healthy. Chip does not need the #1 WR we cried about for years to win big. We need pass rush and better coverage from DBs AND LBs. and we need better field position from the return game and PK. So I agree on two LBs. I absolutely disagree on OL. Herremans is DONE!!!! He flat out sucks on pass blocking. Check out PFF. He has to go after this year if not sooner. His game is coming back like Jimmy Rollins or Ryan Howard. Its over for Todd.
Barkley is a stiff. LOL come on guys you KNEW that was coming.
If Barr slides he needs to be in this conversation, you guys know where I stand on Benjamin. I don’t like Jean-Baptiste at all he should have been dominate at Nebraska. I don’t think a safety will be drafted before round 5 and we’ll get a Tre Boston type. If they go WR and draft a smallish one they will be ripped until the 1st of never. They need to address the NT spot at some point and I think Desir is a game changing playmaker the secondary hasn’t had since Lito Sheppard.
The only 2 people who like Barkely are his mom and Jon Hart. Guy blows.
Damn right Barr needs to be in the conversation if he gets into the late teens.
I am concerned about his lack of strength at the next level
What if we traded down to 35 and picked up an extra 4th at 99. We draft Attaochu at 35, take Robinson at 54, get ILB at 86, take CB/S at 99, take OG at 118, take Hart at 150 and take Lyerla in the 7th? That would be damn good draft to me. We would have a pass rusher to replace Cole and 3 good/very good WRs, a TE to replace Celek soon, and an OG to replace Herremans and better depth on DL and secondary. We would then need a starting PK, CB, S and maybe NG but the rest of the team would be in great shape. That is when you can go hard in FA to fill those holes.
Eagles should get more than a 4th Rd Pick (#99) from going from #22 to #35..
I don’t think they are interested in Pryor or any safety in 1st rd unless he was the second coming of Ronnie Lott. That being said, I would be fine with Fuller. I also like Mosley and Ryan’s could mentor him for next year. He would more readily accept teaching his replacement if he was alumni. Mosley can be a beast in a few years. Su-a-Filo would put us over SF for best O line in football. But I think they think they can get by with less at OG. I would take one of these three or trade down. If they take a WR here, I will melt down.
There is a safety that for some reason i really like. I feel that he can be a good safety within 3 years..His name is Nickoe Whitley, S, Mississippi State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205..I would take a flyer on him as an undrafted free agent or even with our 7th rd pick.
I like Johnathan Dowling FS in the later rounds. He actually started off at Florida but got into trouble and transferred. He has the physical ability and tools to be a good player in the NFL with coaching. He can be had in rounds 5-6.
I heard Kruger got up to 290. Maybe back up DL is not such a priority. I wonder how much Curry weighs right now? He needs another ten as well. I do like Hart later in the draft though. I guess they still need to address it because I think they want heat from their front three and do not want to depend on OLBs. Cox does not look like someone I would extend after the season at this point. He needs to be significantly better than 19th best 3-4 DE. Player development will be the most critical thing for this team. They need Cox and Kendrcks at max potential all year if they hope for D to improve. Wolff could be a wild card but I am not holding my breath on that one.
I’m wondering how Travis Long is developing and will he be a player.
I saw the same report that Kruger is up to 290. Considering that he was on IR all last season, it is almost like he redshirted and this is his rookie year, like an additional draft pick. I fear that the FO is looking at it the same way and will not be addressing the defensive line like they should. I am optimistic about Kruger, but still believe that we need more help on the defense in this years draft.
Actually, I am confident that the FO sees Cox similar to the way I see him and they WILL address the DL because they are not sold on Cox in this defense.
For some reason, I do not sense improvement from the draft in this season. I think they will develop people to replace some guys like Cole, Ryans and Herremans. But I don’t see anyone coming in and making the team better right away like Johnson, Logan and Ertz did last year. The one guy I think that would be a definite upgrade that would actually improve the team would actually be Su-a-Filo. Aside from that, who could we draft that will start and pay dividends from day one? I don’t think many starting spots are available in the coach’s minds.
I think CB and S are up for the taking. ILB should be unless Kendricks looks like he did in Dallas from day one. If he looks like he is middling or still struggling in coverage, his job is available. Hard to imagine the DEs being benched for a rookie. Ryans job is secure. So is Barwin and Cole. And obviously Jenkins. I think Herremans job might be there. Chip could not replace an elder right off the bat, but things are different now. Barbre or a rookie could put Herremans on the waiver wire this summer. Cooper is the only other spot I see available on offense. Kicker is definitely available.
Ike Reese asked a good question today.
Are there any of the 22 positions on the birds this year that are likely to be filled through the draft or by a rookie?
Is there a player that we will draft that will replace Cole or Barwin? Could it be a safety or would Jenkins and Wolffe likely win that battle? A slot receiver?
What do you think, will the Birds be getting the impact player that we all want at 22, or will they be adding depth for the longterm?
IMO, with the recent move to rid themselves of DJax, I believe that Kelly sold Lurie on a 5 year plan, and they are looking at building through the draft with BPA. I can see them ignoring the areas on this defense believing that this is not a “win now” situation, and just stockpiling players for the future.
I hope that I am wrong, but something tells me that there will be a lot of unhappy Eagles fans when they are seeing the team look further into the future then this upcoming season.
That is a very good question… I have to think they are looking for a very big contributor or two right away..CB, S or OLB, WR…
Good Points Greenfan
Since the Eagles are Selecting 22nd Each Round,
there will be little impact to the 2014 Season from this Draft Class
and it will be more towards grooming Players for 2015/2016 and beyond as the Eagles continue to reshape their Roster next Off-Season with likely releases of Trent Cole, Todd Herremans, Nate Allen, Cary Williams, maybe a Brett Celek & Demeco Ryans..
They need to add along the DL, the Secondary, WR and OL but to think the Eagles will get 2-3 Rookie Impact Players or 2014 Starters from this Draft is unrealistic..
Wouldn’t shock me at all Greenfan, except it goes against all the hype of this being the deepest draft in years so yes I expect a significant contributor at 22 this year. How does your 3 wide look like Maclin, Benn and Cooper? who is the 3rd wideout Ertz? Sproles? So yes draft one of these quote unquote guys from this great receiving class stick em out there and lets go!!! I’m ready for Chip vision. LOL
Paulman’s List of Prospects who would Fit the Eagles System/Schemes well
who project as Top 3 Round Prospects (Ranked 20th thru 100 Players)
Offense
Guard – Xavier Sua’-Filo (UCLA 6-4 310lbs
OT – Juwan James (Tennessee 6-6 311lbs)
OT/Guard – Joel Bitonio (Nevada 6-3 305lbs)
OT – Billy Turner (North Dakota State 6-5 315lbs)
WR- Cody Latimer (Indiana 6-3 215lbs)
WR – Brandin Cooks (Oregon St 5-10 190lbs)
WR – Davante Adams (Fresno St 6-2 212lbs)
WR – Dontae Moncreif (Miss St 6-2 220lbs)
WR/Returnman/Scat Back – Bruce Ellington (South Carolina 5-9 197lbs)
TE – Troy Nicklas (Notre Dame 6-7 270lbs)
TE – Austin Jenkins (Wash State 6-6 260lbs)
RB Bishop Sankey (Washington 5-10 210lbs)
RB Jeremy Hill (LSU 6-1 233lbs)
Defense
ILB CJ Mosely (Alabama 6-2 235lbs)
OLB Jeremiah Attachou (Ga Tech 6-3 252lbs)
OLB Trevor Reilly (Utah 6-5 245lbs)
OLB Marcus Smith (Louisville 6-3 251lbs)
OLB Kyle Van Noy (BYU 6-3 245lbs)
DE Scott Critchon (Oregon State 6-3 275lbs)
DE Kareem Martin (UNC 6-6 272lbs)
DT Da’Quan Jones (Penn State 6-3 322lbs)
DT Ego Furguson (LSU 6-3 313lbs)
DT Kelcy Quarles (South Carolina 6-4 300lbs)
CB Kyle Fuller (Va Tech 6-0 190lbs)
CB Phillip Gaines (Rice 6-0 193lbs)
CB Keith McGill (Utah 6-3 211lbs)
CB Pierre Desir (Lindenwold 6-1 198lbs)
CB Baushad Breeland (Clemson 5-11 197lbs)
CB Jaylan Watkins (Florida 6-0 194lbs)
Safety Jimmie Hall (Northern Illinois 5-11 197lbs)
Safety Deone Buchannon (Wash State 6-1 212lbs)
I believe the Eagles 1st 3 Selections will come from the Group of Players
I listed above
paul, good list. I agree also, that our 1st 3 picks will come from that list. Also add, Jordan Matthews, & Stanley Jean-Baptiste. I love Matthews. I’ve been harping on him for months now.
I definitely missed on some Players…
Lawrence, Matthews, Jean-Baptiste, OL Joel Bitonio and watch out for a sleeper RB Ka’deem Carey from Arizona at 5-10″ – 210lbs…
and RB Lache Seastrunk from Baylor at 5-10″ 205lbs…
Kelly is very familiar with both of them..
Baylor runs a very similar Offense to Chip Kelly’s and Seastrunk is a between the Tackle type of runner that Kelly likes
HAC…I don’t think anyone is there at 22 that will help us win now except Su-a-Filo or maybe Fuller. If we trade down and take Attaochu he will be under study this year that plays 25% of snaps. I could se them cutting Fletcher though if Fuller shined in camp. And they would be glad to get rid of Heremans salary
I look at the Eagles Current Secondary like this
4 CB’s who all have NFL Experience as Starters in Bradley Fletcher, Cary Williams, and Nolan Carroll along with experienced Boykin to play the Slot
4 Safeties who all have NFL Experience Michael Jenkins, Nate Allen, Chris Maragos and 2nd Year Eric Wolff who will be the Starter with Jenkins if he has a Strong Camp..
Since the Eagles are Drafting in the 22nd Slot each Round, it’s very unlikely that whomever they Draft in the Secondary is going to become a Starters early in 2014 Season…
I can see a Slot WR Drafted who can contribute right away, a DL who will get snaps in a rotational role and perhaps a LB getting playing Time
I know I’m late busy day at work but Dcar ur list is crazy yes I would take a cb or olb before Pryor yes I would take cooks or latimer over Pryor this team is built on offense not there defense hell 8 out of the 11 not even good or don’t fit this defense that’s why you grab olb and cb to replace the bums next year. I’ll bet right now Kurt Coleman ends his career with more int’s than Pryor.
People are so desperate for a safety they will take anybody that espn says is good not looking at the fact that Pryor can’t cover his style of football doesn’t translate to the nfl. Hell I’m still waiting for someone to tell me the last time a safety was great without a pass rush or great cb’s in front of them. I’m glad howie slammed the door today on that Pryor crap get over it.
I got the eagles going in the draft if they don’t trade back
Wr
Cb
Oline
Wr
Olb
Dline
We should learn from our past mistakes of trying to reach to fill a need.
Just a few years ago we did the same thing with Jarrett from Temple….same position even. We need to trust our scouts and coordinators to know who the best fits are for our system, and who is not.
I agree Greenfan and have taken Calls all week from Roseman & Kelly 🙂
A good Safety who did not have great CB’s or a dominate Pass-Rush was Ed Reed of the Ravens who were a good Cover Team, but not necessarily a great Sack Team.. Rodney Harrison is probably another one.. Safety Eric Weddle of the Chargers has played well without having a great Pass-Rush or Cover CB’s too going off the Top of my head..
Eric waddle isn’t great ed reed always had pass rush as did Rodney Harrison.
The cb class is deeper than the safety class so with that being the case howie could’ve just signed a safety in fa instead he choose not to your safety’s are nothing without good cbs or a good pass rush. They may take a safety in the 7th rd just to make some of you happy on here.
I personally don’t see the Eagles Selecting a Safety until the 5th Round
I could see them Drafting a Ahmad Dixon or Isiah Lewis type to play Special Teams, learn the Defense and adjust to the speed of the NFL who can compete for the Strong Safety Position come 2015/2016
It will be Jenkins and Wolff for Eagles in 2014 and if Wolf struggles in Camp
then it will be Jenkins and reliable Nate Allen with a little Chris Maragos mixed in
Howie better draft Deone Buchannon, to save face for drafting Earl Wolfe, and resigning Nate Allen……and let Wolfe play special teams where he should play exclusively…..
Cliff…oh no, the Eagles are lock stock and barrel set at the safety position as some on here would have us believe. We all know the Eagles impeccable track recordat drafting safeties and finding premier talents at the position in free agency. We do not need anymore safety help. We have Nate Mr. Softy Allen back and brought in Maragos, Earl Wolfe is a hard worker. We are set there! No need for Pryor, Bucannon, Ward, Clinton Six as they are all inferior talents to who we have here now manning our safety corps. Howie already basically admitted that it ishard to evaluate safety talent. He really meant it’s hard for him to do it. Is this 2014 safety class strong, not really, but if you know how to do it you can find it. Ask the Seahawks…..who took Earl Thomas, it’s not that difficult if you truly value the position.
Eagle those are 4 of the best Safeties to come out for some time – We have to grab one of them – but it doesn’t have to be in the 1st round…
I agree with you Eagle. I love most on here, but their guy – including Howies, has to flop sometime for them to become more reasonable in the opinions of certain prospects, and it may take a year or two, to get it out of their system…
If they draft Buchannon, eventually he will start. That allows them to have Allen, and Wolfe, as backups – Wolfe is a pretty good special teamer.
Eagles will give every opportunity to Wolff this Summer to see if he is a true Starter material to play along with Mike Jenkins with Allen/Maragos as the Back-ups.. ..
Now If Wolff fails to secure Starter’s spot or doesn’t progress, then they will address Safety next Draft, but I see no Safety being selected in the Early Rounds this Draft as they believe that Wolff is the Safety long-term
.
Malcolm Jenkins..
Wow Mel kiper has to be the biggest ass ever they just had a live mock draft on espn and he had the eagles take @22 Jordan Matthews wow Mel kiper you can officially go to hell that’s worst then the cast on here wanting Pryor lol just kidding guys Pryor is the next Ronnie Lott lol
The Eagles taking Mel Kiper’s pick of Mathew’s at 22 if he in fact did ( I haven’t seen that) is just as looney as all of your multi-million trade scenarios that will never happen. It’s just fun dude relax!
I’d good to go with their second round choice of Lawrence OLB from Boise State. As far as wr in round 1, as we get closer and closer, I really hope we go defense.
At first I wanted to move up for a safety or get Cooks. I think if a solid CB is there, and man… would I love Dennard to fall, I think I’m good to go with that choice.
I really think the Eagles feel better then us about the current safety position. If we don’t draft a safety in round 1 or 2, they can turn elsewhere with their focus. Wolff was a former 5th rounder, so if you are simply going to draft a guy in round 3/4 where the talent drop off is huge, might was well give Wolff a full year as starter if he wins the camp battle against Allen.
As far as DE, we have Cox, Thorton, Curry, Krueger, Square. We also have a kid we signed from Oregon, and with how limited Cole and Graham are at playing LB, they will be used on the line of scrimmage. The Eagles would not draft a front line defensive player in the first 3 rounds.
The Eagles will not take a 330 plus pound DT in the first 5 rounds.
The Eagles could view a replacement to Hermanns important, I would not be surprised if a guard was selected by round 4. Mathis is too talented for Eagles to part with him before his contract ends.
The Eagles will not take a safety in a round that we agree they should take one.
The Eagles like their current Wr situation, they know how deep the class is and will absolutely draft 1, probably 2. They may not take one until rd 3. If Wr’s begin to go much higher then projected, such as Latimer from Indiana in rd 1, and the likes of Mathews end of rd 1/early rd 2, I think Eagles grab a cb/olb or even guard that falls because other players are going much higher.
The Eagles will focus on WR in rounds 3-5, they will end up with 8 total picks for the draft in total, so I’m going to say they go WR in round 4 and 6. Names to pay attention to are Saunders out of Oklahoma, Norwood from Alabama, coleman out of Rutgers and Huff from Oregon.
Ryans will end up re-doing his contract and remain an Eagle past this season. Cole will not be retained, so we need a legit starting OLB from this draft, at the latest round 3 for that position.
A CB will be taken also in the top 3 rounds.
It would make sense for our position in the top 3 rounds to be a wr. I fear Wr’s going off the board too quickly as this is a passing league and the class although deep, teams want the top level guys.
What will be our third pick in the top three rounds? My gut is telling me offensive line.
Rd 1-3- Eagles draft a CB, OLB and OG
Rd 4-5 (3 Total picks, they will pick up another pk)- WR, Wr, secondary,
Rd 6-7 (2 total picks, they will get a 6th rder per trade)- OLB, secondary
Jeff, I have been talking up DeMarcus Lawrence for a few weeks now. I think Defense is a priority as well, but from the Pass Rushing OLB Position.
That’s where DeMarcus Lawrence, Kony Ealy, and Jeremiah Attoachu come in – We need two of the three. I believe this can only happen if they can make some trades, trade down, and continue to trade down and get more picks…I’d like to see something like this:
1. Kyle Fuller – CB, or Kony Ealy OLB/DE
2a. DeMarcus Lawrence – OLB
2b. Cody Latimere – WR
2c. Deone Buchannon – SS
3a. Paul Richardson – WR
3b. Austin Safarian-Jenkins – TE
3c. Gabe Jackson – OG
4a. Pierre Desir – CB
4b, Daniel McCullers – DT
5. Brandon Thomas – OG
6. Andrew Jackson – ILB
7. Brandon Denmark – ILB/OLB
I think Krueger, and Square along with Benny Logan, are nothing but Rotational players, and Cox has to show something, but I wouldn’t be opposed to trading Cox, for Ndomukung Suh, and helping the line as a whole by getting a BIG, stud NT..
Agree with having a lot of rotational guys, and it could be something preferred by the coaching staff. I’ll give Logan a full year before cutting the cord. You listed a good bit of guys who I also have on my list, I create a list of 113 players over the 7 rds/undrafted that I like to laser in on, and I will release it before the actual draft.
**Ealy is a heck of a player, but he reminds me of Vinny Curry. Curry is meant for the 4-3. If you look at all of the listed “DE” guys who 3-4 schemed teams hope can make that transition at the NFL level, its a hard process.
Lawrence and Attoachu I see making t, Ealy could, but he is very long and lean. Even though I’m not overly high on Marcus Smith from Louisville, I think he projects better to a 3-4 scheme, Ealy is unquestionably the better player.
I have to agree Jeff.
Ealy like most prospects coming into the NFL, has his work cut out for him,,,,…But I can’t help seeing a bigger, faster DeMarcus Ware( who has the same skill set coming out of college) Aldon Smith – without the drama – He could be the steal of the draft if he can max his potential…..
I don’t think they could go wrong with two of the three = Ealy, Lawrence, and Attoachu…..That would be the road I go – If I can trade down then – I take Kyle Fuller as my #1, and get my picks for the 2nd – and take Lawrence, Buchannon, and Attoachu..
I Look forward to your mock as well Jeff…:)
Eaglehaslanded none of my trades are crazy they all add up point wise I’ve always had them moving back not up any player trades I have they all go for 5th and 6th rd picks and if there crazy I’ll try to do better lol.
Yes they are! They are crazy, & will not happen. Unless one of the QB’s fall, who is going to trade for the #22 pick. SF, Cleveland have the picks, but players that will be there neither team needs. Your trade scenarios are retarded Madden GM mode fantasy. It ain’t happening, unless a QB falls, & one of the top teams pass on a QB higher in the draft. Get it. If Barr, Dix, Pryor, fall to #22, we ain’t trading the pick, for someone else to get them.
I never made trades with the browns that’s Paulman and two the 11 picks they don’t have 11roster spots and there biggest needs are a speed wr and cb and if they made any trade with the eagles then they could get both in the 1st rd they are in win now mode there not a rebuilding team they are just missing 2-3 players. And I see no benefit in trading with the browns for what just to move down 4spots it makes no sense to me. If your gonna trade back with all the holes they have and the players there gonna need to replace next year trade our of the 1st not back 4 or 5 spots it makes no sense just to pick up an extra 4th. If your not in love with a player @22 your not gonna be in love with him @26 cause if you were in love with that player then you wouldn’t even think about trading back you would take him and wouldn’t think twice.
For some reason howie just seems alittle to comfortable with only having 6picks
Unless he has a trade up his sleeve for one of the following players.
1.shady
2.cox
3.cole
4. Ryan’s
And if doesn’t have anything up his sleeve and he stays put like a dumb ass these will be his players they select
#22-C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama
Height: 6-2. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2014): 1-2.
#54-Donte Moncrief*, WR, Ole Miss
Height: 6-2. Weight: 221.
40 Time: 4.40.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
#86-Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood
Height: 6-1. Weight: 198.
40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
#122-Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 237.
40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2014): 4-6.
#162-Dri Archer, WR/RB, Kent State
Height: 5-8. Weight: 173.
40 Time: 4.26.
Projected Round (2014): 3-5.
#237-Brandon Thomas, OT/G, Clemson
Height: 6-3. Weight: 316.
40 Time: 5.09.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
so they are gonna get a rd round pick in round 7. cool
Do we have or WR? Im hearing both Benn and Mommah are ripped and ready to go. Two big receivers and matchup nightmares. Benn just has to stay healthy and Mommah with 1 year in his system hopefully is a surprise. Im also hearing Ertz has gotten bigger and stronger and is ready to roll. Also don’t look for the Eagles to take a safety they feel they are set at safety for now.
Is it me or is the draft damn near as exciting as a actual game?
to me the draft is the 2nd most boring thing in all of sports behind the combine
ill check out the recap on Sunday, maybe tune in on thursday but thats it
It’s where Championship Teams are built..
I hope that you are right dag. Maybe it is getting these guys with a full year under their belts with the sports science coach and everthing. It will be interesting to see how some of the guys on the practice squad and IR will show up this year. There is a report that Joe Kruger is up to 290 pounds, so it sounds like they have a specific off season plan for each player. Should be interesting. With Maclin coming back and Benn healthy also, maybe we are not as lacking at WR as the departure of DJax would have some fear. If Kelly could actually get some production from Mommah, that would be icing on the cake. We have not seen a physical presence like that since Harold Carmichael….if he could get 1/4 of the production that Carmichael did that would be a great asset to this team. Think of the redzone possibilites.
greenfan reports are that Mommah isn’t the tall skinny receiver anymore. He has come back with tree trunks as arms. Now I know that doesn’t translate into a productive player but just what if?
This WR class, and this is why I don’t feel we need to go WR in possibly the first 3 rounds,…..it’s absolutely loaded. From the tall, to the fast, to the Darren sproles like players. It’s the deepest position in the draft. Benn always gets hurt, hopefully he stays healthy. I saw Momah up close last year….yes…huge, but awkward looking, stiff, not physical even though he is huge. He was raw last year, could he make it as our #5? He would have to light it up during camp/pre-season.
Jeff this may be the thinking of a lot of teams. After Watkins and Evans teams may think we can get a good WR in the later rounds and bypass the Lees of the world. The question is do you pass on the 4th rated WR early in the draft and hope to get the 11th rated receiver later. If Lee is rated your BPA and hes there at 22 Howie has said we will take the BPA.
Lee will be there. I see Watkins, top 3, Evans no later then 7 to Bucs, Cooks, top 13 and Beckham Jr gone to a team before us. I like Lee more then when I started looking at WR’s, I would be fine with him as our pick, and he could be a 50, 850-900 and 6 td his first season. I also feel other guys could potentially do the same.
If an OLB like Barr, an ILB like Mosely or CB like Dennard or Gilbert falls to us at #22, I’d take all 4 over Lee. I’ve removed the dream of Pryor falling.
I would Benjamin at #22 I would not be alright with, I think his size is giving him too much credit. Latimer I like, not at 22. If we could trade back in rd and get a 3rd or 4th, then I’ll take either of those WR’s or CB Fuller.
Hagerman is a guy if we traded into that 29-32 range is probably the only DE I’d be open to the Eagles drafting in round 1. Tuitt is a nice player, but I’m not as high on him as I am on Hagerman in our defensive scheme.
If it’s going to be a WR, Odell Beckham Jr. is the guy I would like the Eagles to get.
I don’t see many college players, but from what I have seen, Beckham looks like the total package.
Would be a great Pick # 22 — Just not sure if he will fall that Far..
The key will be these 3-4 QB’s, I am hoping they go early for this will push some of the very good Position Players down the Board some.. But if this QB Class gets past the first 5 Selections and starts falling back as I expect, then the Eagles are screwed at #22 and will probably end up trading back
WR Benn has had 1 Year of staying healthy in his 4-5 Year NFL Career
I would not count on him at all..
WR Momah is a big target with some upside and has a chance if he can catch the ball consistently and learn how to run routes and use his body properly..
WR Danarius Johnson has failed to seize the opportunities given to him over the last 2 Seasons as both a WR and Punt Returner
If going into the 2014 with these 3 as your 3rd/4th/5th WR’s, then the Eagles are in trouble … I think Jeff Maehl can be a decent Slot WR as a 5th WR and Brad Smith is an athlete, but not a very good Receiver so lots of ???? behind Maclin & Cooper in my opinion…
Chip will be looking for the replacements scheduled in 2015. We will draft a CB, WR, and guard in the first 3 rounds – book it!
Gloomy your way of thinking when it comes to Pryor is that exact type of reason we drafted Graham over Earl Thomas. Many weirdos including myself were screaming at the TV for Earl Thomas when they traded up. But Howie had the same idea as you prioritizing the pass rush and completely fucked it up. ON top of it the safety position is becoming a much bigger deal in the past couple of years (with TEs blowing up the league) with safeties getting huge money in FA, and teams spending high picks in the draft that resulted in some studs in Thomas, Vaccaro, Reid, Smith, (Barron and Elam will get better too).
Im all for improving the pass rush. If we actually had a shot at Clowney or Mack at 22 then I would take them in a heart beat over Pryor. If Barr slips I would take him too before Pryor. But if that doesn’t happen Im not reaching for pass rush like they did with Graham.
Joe Banner thought the safety class in the 2nd round in 2010 was better than the Defensive end talent in the 2nd round. So even though the Eagles had a higher grade on Earl Thomas than Brandon Graham they thought the combine strategy of Graham and Nate Allen was better than Earl Thomas and their highest rated Defensive End in that Nate Allen spot. They obviously were wrong.
Howie said that they will never draft like that ever again nor will they draft for need ever again after the 2011 draft of Watkins, Jarrett, Marsh draft.
Eagles won’t follow Gcobb repliers advice when they say draft a wide receiver in the second instead of the first because they can just as good as a player there and take a defensive need player first — ( Eagles will never follow that strategy again)
I just gave Howie the Go-ahead to Draft QB Derek Carr at #22
OMG, if that Derek Carr turns out to be as good as Nick Foles I’ll worship you – everyone ignored your Nick Foles posts in 2012 just like you stand alone here with your Derek Carr posts here in 2014. Wow – if you nail this too OMG.
pheags88 I’m one of those wierdos too. Your post is spot on. I said the exact same thing yesterday!
Y’all got me all wrong I’ve never said reach for a pass rusher I’ve just stated that we need pass rush way more than a safety hell we need a bigger dline more than a safety we need a wr with speed more than a safety. And I think howie knows that also in today’s nfl you have to decide am I gonna be great on offense or defense or avg on both sides when the eagles sign chip they chose right then and there were gonna be great on offense. If Kyle fuller and Pryor are on the board @22 if I’m howie I’m taking fuller
No just went with the wrong guy in that draft they should’ve took JPP and they would’ve been ok and I think Nate Allen biggest flaw is when he got hurt and having a different defensive coordinator every year of his career.but the knee injury was the main thing he was having a great rookie year til he got hurt.
JPP has done nothing since his first year…Earl Thomas would have still been the better pick!
Same thing you wrote about Allen could be said about Graham.
Actually JPP played very little his Rookie Season
It was his 2nd that put up mobster numbers
Then so-so his 3rd and a non factor last Season
He only played like 6-7 Games at Division 1 Football in College so he was a high risk/high reward type of pick with very little game experience
Thanks Paul…my point still remains valid. Earl Thomas has been much moreeffective, impactful and the better pick!
Absolutely .. You will get no argument from me about that..
Safety Earl Thomas was on most Teams Board as a Top 20 Pick
While Graham was a late 1st Rounder and sound had as an early 2nd Rounder.. The biggest question on Graham was his short arms which many Predicted would cause him difficulty of disengaging from the long armed OT’s of the NFL which has proven true..
***Eagles Trade Alert & Paulman Rumor****
Eagles Send #22 Pick, QB Matt Barkley, DE Brandon Graham & and a 3rd Pick in 2015 to the Tennessee Titans for their #11 Pick …
Eagles Select WR Mike Evans from Texas A&M …
I guess Paulman but I don’t think mike Evans gets past the bucs @7
Lovie Smith is going to need new parts to his Defense – Riley Cooper ran right by that slow footed rookie 2nd round pick Jonathan Banks at cornerback.
You could switch it around Gloomy
Send Bucs #22, Guard Mathis, DE Graham & RB Brown
Along with a 2nd Round Pick in 2015 to pique their Interest…
The Rumor/Trade Alerts are endless.. Ha
Dumb Ass 49ers! That zero superbowls in trophy case perennial losing SF 49ers team had the audacity to use their option on than Gun toting, DUI driving, Bomb calling player named Aldon Smith. How dare they! That friggin (locker room distraction, Draft day manipulator, multi-game suspended) loser had his 5th year option exercised. What the hell does that terrible coach and organization think they are doing. They should of called Barney Rubble and Howie (Richie)Cunningham for the “right” way to be successful. If Aldon Smith was in Philly his ass would of been driven to 30th street station last year. Dumb ass 49ers.
I can see Barney and Howie Cunningham embracing in a hug at the NovaCare Center right now. “Barney did you hear SF exercised their option on that bad bad man”,”I think I need my asthma inhaler”. _How could the do this?”.
LMAO
Mock draft 85 the saga continues
#22-Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-0. Weight: 190.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round (2013): 1-2.
#54-Cody Latimer*, WR, Indiana
Height: 6-2. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
#86-Kareem Martin, DE, North Carolina
Height: 6-6. Weight: 272.
40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
#122-Ron Powell*, OLB, Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 237.
40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2014): 4-6.
#162-Brandon Thomas, OT/G, Clemson
Height: 6-3. Weight: 316.
40 Time: 5.09.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
#237-Devin Street, WR, Pittsburgh
Height: 6-3. Weight: 198.
40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2014): 4-6.
Would love this Draft Gloomy but I don’t see how
WR Latimer lasting to #54 or DE Kareem Martin still on the board to #86
Both these Players will go a good 15-20 Pick Sooner
Paulman Mock Draft thru 4 Rounds after Trading back from #22 to
#26 with Browns for their #83rd and then trading back again with the 49ers
Back the 30th Pick for their #129th
1- #30 WR Cody Latimer (Indiana)
2- # 54 TE Troy Niklas (Notre Dame)
3 – # 83 CB Pierre Desir (Lindenwold)
3- # 86 DT Ego Fergesun (LSU)
4- # 122 LB Preston Brown (Louisville)
4- # 129. WR Matt Hazel (Coastal Carolina)
5- # 162 Safety Isiah Lewis (Mich State)
7- # 237 Guard Brandon Thomas (Clemson)
This is my Final Mock of the Day