I have a post NFL combine question. If a cornerback prospect stands 5’11” but his arms are two inches longer than a guy who is six feet tall, would the sum then equal a “Kelly” guy?
This “ridiculous” or “genius” approach to building a football team as it relates to the cornerback, safety and wide receiver position is another part of the “trust in Chip” notion that we have been asked to buy into. Do we even spend time discussing names of potential draft targets that don’t “measure” up?
Chip is “fully” in control of which players the Eagles select in the 2015 draft. I’m not sure Chip understands “value” and “positioning” in rounds. He sees guys he likes and is willing to take them with his next pick even if there is a high probability that the same player will be available a round or two later. I do believe Chip can spot talent and can determine if a player could excel at the next level under his “system.”
This draft could very well be the launching point that excels Chip’s coaching career even if the blockbuster deal for Mariota never happens. It could also be a complete disaster and have many questioning what Jeff Lurie was ever thinking giving a guy with only two years of NFL experience all player control.
Jeff, we heard all this before when lurie gave Reid full control going into his third season.getting rid of an experienced football man (Modrack) and bringing in a young inexperienced right hand man (33yr old Heckert) sound familiar? If you look at that run (2001-2008) it was the best run in Eagle history. Let this play out before you start predicting the sky is falling.
I don’t believe the sky is falling, I still believe in Chip, support the hiring of Chip and the system he has in place.
I’m fully in support of the “all in” for Mariota. I get the logic behind the bigger CB”s.
I want to see the proper signings in FA. I want the Eagles to be in a position to not “reach” for players in the draft because they didn’t sign guys in FA.
Then we’re on the same page buddy! That’s all I’ve been saying, give him a chance, let’s see what he can do, I believe things are gonna be way different than how it’s been the past 15yrs, him n Belicheck are buddy’s and learn from each other, I see Chip taking a page from him and going after guys in FA and not worrying about the cap, that would be a great start.
One thing I hope he learns from Bellicheck is how running QBs suck.
No way on Earth he would ever even consider what the Eagles are thinking about.
BTW – the pats worry all the time about the Cap.
Have you not paid any attention to any other team save the Eagles.
I guarantee you BB would have cut Desean. He won’t pay at an insignificant position like WR. Won’t pay for RB either. Its nothing but retreads and nobodies at those positions. Ask for $$? Bub-bye Welker.
3 Year contract heads into 3rd year and will cost over 10 million? Even after 18-1?? Bub-bye Moss.
Gronkowski better be ready to re-negotiate in 2018 when his salary jumps to 11 mill and his cap hit to 4, because if he doesn’t he’ll be shown the door 100, ’cause they won’t pay that for him.
They are shrewd as fuck and will not pay big $$ to what are seen as completely replaceable “skill” players.
All he cares about is the QB (and no scramblers allowed) and the oline. Some Dline guys get paiod
Everyone else on that team is plug and play. Yes this year they put some$$ into Revis, but that’s a rarity. I suppose they felt they were one or 2 guys away (good guess). Eagles are not 1 or 2 guys away.
Pats are all about functional, plug-and play versatile players they can get on the cheap.
And it works as long as you have a pro-style Brady under center.
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No way Bellicheck would ever consider trading up for Mariotta. I am sure he’d consider that just about the stupidest idea ever.
Vin, you have no idea what BB would do if he needed a QB since he hasnt had to worry about one for the last 13 yrs, if his system called for a running QB then that’s who he would go after, as for the cap? He put out over 20 million last year just in the secondry, the man knows what he’s doing running a team and him n Chip are tigh, you can sit all you want with ypur doomsday scenarios, you want to keep talking about past things that didn’t work, here goes what you should look at, only two other teams besides us right now have given their coaches total control and both of them played in the SB last year, you can stick with your stars, I’m going with those stats.
the most over used words on gcobb these days “HIS SYSTEM’– you all should realize that ‘his system’ for any coach is adaptable to ‘his players’– like fox did for manning, like BB continues to adapt year in and year out…
I wouldn’t know what Bellicheck would do if he needed a QB??
Yes I do.
Simms, Kosar, Vinnie, Bledsoe, Brady, Cassel, Mallet, Gar-a-whateverhis name is.
He’d draft a statue.
And there’s no way on Earth he’d trade up to do it either.
These should be the guys the eagles target now that we know are gonna be free agents devin mccourty,Devon house and Chris Culliver.get those 3 guys and this team is superbowl bound
Dont know about super bowl bound but contenders for sure
I believe the Eagles Current Roster is Average to Slightly Above and looks like it’s usual 8-9 Win Team with maybe a 10 Win Season if breaks and health stay their way or possibly as low as 7-8 Wins if Breaks and Health don’t go their way
Either Way, It will be a Transition Year with a New Secondary and Secondary Coach, a Newbie Front Office handling Free-Agency and the Draft so it definitely will be interesting to Follow..
I am sure Kelly and MArynowitz will make some Good Moves and also some Mistakes along the way… Hopefully they make Positive Decisions than Poor Ones..
The NFC East is Stronger, NFC South & the AFC East is Stronger, so the Eagles will have a more Difficult and Challenging Schedule than they had last Season and what appears on the List…
oops just yesterday it was a 6 win team, already frauded out and said ‘maybe 10’- so next year no matter how many winds fraudman would have predicted correctly!
6-7-8-9 Wins who cares, the Point is the Eagles will have no Legitimate Shot to make a Deep Run for a Super Bowl Championship, so what’s the Difference really?
Go 9-7 or 10-6 and lose in the 1st Round of Playoffs
or go 6-10 or 8-8 and watch it from the Couch like the Rest of Us
When was Eagles last Playoff Win?
so you are suggesting they will never win another playoff game — ? ever?
interesting… very interesting– because they didn’t win a playoff game recently? stupid…
The Fraudman flip flop once again. This time in lease than 24 hours.
He only does this for his troll tendicies pman is clearly a thot lookng for attention lol
Paulman is definitely filled with troll tendencies Z lmao
THOT LMAO
Paulman since when was the nfc south strong you reach to much.
Panthers- qb very overrated but has a very good defense
Saints- they are about 20 million over the cap and will be forced to release a bunch of players
Falcons-ok offense or should I say passing offense with no defense to speak of.
Bucs- will be starting a rookie qb this yr either mm or Winston
What is so scary good about this division hell the winner only went 7-9 last yr and the eagles are supposed to fear that.
The NFC South is too physical for the Eagles who struggle against Physical Teams.. TB Bucs with Mariota will be a decent Team, the Panthers have most of their Team back with a bunch of 1st & 2 Year Players and are a very young Team bound to improve
Dan Quinn will make the Falcons a more Physical Team and they are the market for RB D Murray or Adrian Peterson
The Saints always Beat the Eagles, who cannot match up with them or stop Drew Brees …so I see a 2-2 Record at Best Vs NFC South
AFC East -Losses to the Pats, Dolphins and Bills with a W over the Jets so 1-3 VS the AFC East so that’s 3-5 Overall then add in a 3-3 NFC East Divisional Record and the Eagles are 6-8 with 2 Games versus Lions and Cardinals which is maybe a Split for 7-9 Final Record
This is how I see it shaping up on March 3rd 2015
Now let’s break down the afc East.
Pats-stilll will be good but if there secondary is gonna get gutted then there defense won’t be as good.
Jets- weather it’s geno or mm I don’t fear that
Bills- ej manuel is there qb so that’s a w
Dolphins- have gotten rid of all there wr’s and Mike Wallace is next to go and there secondary they may have all new players also.
Now I’m not saying the eagles will sweep the afc East and nfc south cause the eagles always lose to a team they should beat but between those 8 games they have to go at least 6-2 now this is all bases off nick foles being the qb.
Cary Williams Released!!!
Confirmed
Love it! So far Chip is making all the right moves as the head guy.
Listening to Cary on 97.5, he said he was not offered or given an opportunity to restructure to remain with the team. His play, or lack there of is what got him released. Wish you the best Cary. See ya!
Hell to the yes best news of the year good riddance…..hell yea we are gonna go corner shopping
hmmm…let’s see who goes back and attempts to dispute this report…lol!
FUCK CARY WILLAIMS
FUCK HIS WHINING ABOUT PRATICE
FUCK HIS SCONCES
GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eagles are looking to be active players in FA.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE CARY WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!!
Henski ive never been so happy to get rid of avplayer more then life…..thank the heavens he is gone
My life
That’s right guys, we’re gonna be players this offseason, now we can debate who they go after, I say it’s Maxwell n Moore, Moore cause he’s the new secondary’s coaches guy, can get the other corner in the draft.
I forgot all about rahim moore if we dont get mccourty moore would be a good fall back option and good ref andrew on our db coach coaching moore in denver
Get that bum the fuck out of here.
It appears that Chip will be addressing the defense in FA…can’t wait or depend on draft to do so.
that’s the move to make…address the defense in free agency so you can have multiple draft picks to make the necessary moves
Alrite pman was is our new cap looking like with cary gone
What is not was so happy im typing too fast
Eagles Started about $20 Below the Salary Cap
Cutting Herremans,Casey & Williams knocks off about $17-$18 Cap Space so Eagles should be Close to $40 in Cap Space
Rework T Cole and D Ryans and add about $7-$8 Million to the Cap Space… Leave McCoy’s Deal alone for 2015 and address it after Next Season depending on how he and Team Perform..
Over 30 million now wiith Cap Space…and I’m hopeful that we can re-scructure deals with both Ryans/Cole to free up some more $.
If we can cut cole to 2 year 9 mill and ryans 2 year 8 mill that would be great savings and about what they are worth
There is a lot of room for incentives to be worked into the deals, but if the Eagles could get away with having both guys remaining on the roster with a cap hit of roughly 10 million between the two, it would be the first sticker we could put on the Howie Roseman “good job” chart.
Awwwww if he gets the whole chart filled up he gets to come visit the eagles draft room for the 7 th rd
CALLING IT RIGHT NOW
ALAN BALL WILL BE AN EAGLE SOON!
6’2″ 200 LBS
WAS A TOP 20 CB IN 2013 AND BATTLED INJURIES THIS YEAR. THE MAN COULD BE A GEM AND CHEAP
CULLIVER AND BALL???/
I had Ball on my list, I like it. Culliver is going to get overpaid because he played with SF, just like Maxwell coming from Sea. With the $ we saved with some of our cuts, and with how awful our CB’s have been.. I think we should treay ourselves to Mawell, but I’m also alright with bringing back the Philly native Culliver.
dont know much about either guy but i do know culliver is an established #1 cb in s and the best player in SF secondary. maxwell on the other hand is at best the 4th best secondary guy in seattle behind all world sherman, chancellor and thomas.
id rather pay the man who has a track record he can do the job then a guy who may look better than he is because he is playing with the cb in the game and 2 of the best safeties in the game. Dont give me any guys for tons of money that could fail – we did this and failed with punk ass williams.
i want culliver you know what u are getting, maxwell is 50/50 at best
too excited left out a few words…
I dont like guys coming back from injury i would still draft one corner early but ball could be a good pickup but id rather pay culliver 7 mill annually then maxwell 10 mill
To be exact, we have a little over 33 million to spend, he’ll probably redo Shady, Cole and a couple others to put us over 40 million, I see Chip being very aggressive filling holes in FA so he can make his trades in the draft to get MM, I love how things are looking so far with him in charge.
Wasn’t a lot of this space created by moves made last year? Releasing Desean. Rolling over $$ from last season. Etc.
If Desean were still on the team, wouldn’t we now only have about 20 mil? Less even?
Hmm.
Don’t get me wrong…releasing Carey Williams is a good move. But it doesn’t take a genius to dump an overpaid underperforming bum like him.
A lot people thought he wouldnt release cary because he would often ask cary for advice on things during the game…..but to fans of football play cary had to go
This fan base is incredible. We get exact #’s within minutes for our salary updates.
I had the opportunity last month to have a football rountable discussion with fans from 6 other teams (ATL, SF, NO, MINN, GB, CLE), and I was getting looks of “shock” with how much I knew about all of ther teams.
It’s one thing that this fan base is so passionate, and smart about all lovels of the Eagles, but we can also hold our own with any fan from any city.
What do we do with Maclin? Cobb was open, said he was looking for 4 yrs/39 million. Does Maclin argue that he has a better resume, and is looking for 4 yrs 44-46 million?
I loke Maclin, both on and off the football field, but signing him longterm with atleast 20 milion guaranteed worries me a bit. I don’t think Crabtree..Torry Smith would be an upgrade…I don’t think it’s wise to say goodbye to your #1 WR two years in a row…
March 10 is nearing….I can’t wait to see the new names coming to the nest…
I’ll take Cobb! He’s tougher than Maclin both have had some injuries but I think he is a better more versatile receiver than Maclin…let him walk and sign Cobb!
I really don’t think Cobb is a outside receiver Kool, and he’ll command more money in my opinion.
Yea they saying he wants like 12 mill a year and hes a dlot receiver mainly…..id just pay maclin
Inside/Slot WR’s actually get paid less than Outside WR
I go after Cobb, put him in the Slot, Move Matthews Outside where he played while in COllege at Vanderbilt and did welll and then Draft Another Outside Speedster in the Draft Class
I would rather have Brian Hartline at $3-4 Million & Hakeem Nicks at $3 Million rather than Maclin at $10 Million
Hakeem nicks is done pman
Matthews is a slot receiver, who just becomes Riley Cooper if you put him outside, Cobb will demand and get more from some team to play outside, hopefully not here in Philly.
Terrible comparison big riley cooper….we have no idea what matthews can do if he aint running crossing routes or drags the whole game
Matthews Played Outside at Vanderbilt and all he did was Set the Record for Receptions and Yards Record in the SEC going against opponents best Cover Guys… Jordan Matthew can play the Outside
Man this ain’t Vanderbilt and Cooper sucked ass last year, Matthews should have been put outside and Huff should have been playing the slot during the 2ndhalf of the season, Marcus Smith led the NCAA in sacks how did that work out?
So far I got 3 of my 5 Wish List Players Cut
(Cary WIlliams, James Casey and Todd Herremans)
Now Chip needs to Rework Trent Cole and DeMeco Ryans Deals and they should have Approx $40 Million to Work with…
Release Demeco he is a waste of money. No need for a run stuffing LB with the stud Dts we have. Just a average MLB can excell behind Cox and company. Spend the money elsewhere.
Please believe we will sign guys early in free agency
Oh hey Maxwell how you doing? Welcome to Philly.
I for one love paying the guy that is considered the weakest part of Seattle’s secondary. That means he is the one that gets thrown at most often and yet he still has great success.
Maxwell just changed agents, he knows he’s getting paid! Bring him on?
Stay Away from Maxwell !!!!
This is definately Chip’s show.
Rosie signing these low tier corners and safeties are at a damn end, and Kelly is now going to plug in high regarded 1st tier players to replace Rosie’s cap friendly signings.
Cary Williams and Fletcher the hell out of here, and I don’t want to see a value 3rd corner on the so called rise in here either.
Pay top tier at corner and allow Boykin to compete also.
Let’s upgrade the secondary in free agency along with the plan to take the offense to the next level with Mariota and the Eagles are competing deep into the playoffs.
e-a-g-l-e-s EAGLES!!!!!!!!!!!
To review.
Eagles now absolutely need 2 new starting DBs.
A new safety.
A new RG.
A new MLB.
At least one new DE.
And if Maclin leaves, a new starting WR.
And to top it all off….a new QB.
Not to mention oline depth.
And to replace all that…..people want to trade away 3 years of 1st and 2nd round picks.
Good times.
Ohhhhh…..free agency! We’ll get all this through FA!!
Because FA has such a great track record for building a team!
I’m excited.
Yes and the draft has yielded such a large crop of future stars in Philly, why do you think they have so many holes to fill in the first place? Because of the idiotic drafts and FA signing. Damn you are blinded by your love of Foles.
Big, don’t forget to remind him of that great FA class of 2013 from his boy Howie, you had Williams n fletcher, Chung, sopoaga, Casey, Phillips, Barwin, only Barwin was s contributor, then the dream team of 2011, but vins real concern is chip messing up.
A huge pile of crap Andrew, but hey by all means Kelly going up to get Mariota will kill the franchise
He keeps talking about FA being a waste cause he’s basing that on Howie,,Washington n Oakland, how bout New England? Didn’t they pick up Revis n Browner in FA who got them over the top? Wasn’t it TO n Kearse that got us to the SB? If history proves anything it proves it’s all about picking the right guys in FA, as for the draft? Seattle went to two straight SBs with all low round picks in major positions ( QB, RB, secodary) again, it’s all about who is doing the picking, we’ll be a lot better off with Chip running things than Howie.
We added Kearse and TO when they had McNabb and Hugh and Dawk and West and Tra and Runyan and Vincent…..
NE added Revis and Browner when they had Brady, and Gronk, and McCourty, and Brady and Brady.
Fuck man the cupboard on D is BARE. Adding 2 FAs is just a start.
This team isn’t 2 FAs away.
Add your FA to push a team “over the top” when the peices are in place.
This team has all those holes mentioned above….not without quality players…..but without starters period! No one!
And into this environment you idiots are hard for the birds to trade all their top picks away for the next 3 years.
Stupidest move ever.
And FU Biglion and all the “love for FOles” shite. What I wrote above has nothing to do with Foles. Its a realistic look at a team that is missing starters everywhere on D and on the Oline and will soon be needing more on the Oline.
And into this the plan is….”who needs draft picks – Eagles suck at them anyway – All we need is one guy!! – then we’ll wave the magic Free Agency wand and replace half the D!
What a joke people are buying this garbage.
Vinnie who you kidding? Everything goes back to Foles with you, everything, and if they are that far away, get your QB and build around him if Foles isn’t Kelly’s guy. You are ridiculous in your far reaching reasons for keeping the current QB. You don’t give one damn about what corners or safeties they sign stop your incessant whining you sound like a chick.
High profile FA are final pieces…but not typically building blocks. A lot of time FA signings tend to be busts…
Lets be realistic….
On O- we have
*a very good (but aging) Oline.
* good WR’s… if Jmak stays, and I believe he does, they have a solid core of WR’s.
* good RB’s
* a good QB who may not fit the system
on D- we have
*1 starter in the secondary and good depth (boykins, Carol)
* a good LB core who needs 1 more stud.
* a good Dline
On special teams-we have
* a great great crew
I fail to see how landing a stud CB and S, and quality LB and #2 CB is not possible with 35 million. I also dont get how this wouldnt put us in the playoffs. Damn…. we have 20 wins in 2 years with a horrid D.
Fix the D in FA and see what we can do with QB and depth in the draft. Enough with the fear of the future.
and 1 more thought…. if they dont make a splash in the secondary… why bother watching them this year? Its been the better part of 10 years with crap in the secondary. Fix it or dont bother playing this year.
So true. And no one else will be bidding on those players either. Should be easy to get. And cheap too.
40 million Vinnie. We could very well have 40 million to play with. Most teams dont have that. Add to that the buzz by FA’s around the eagles and I think we will be fine.
Do the Eagles currently need:
2 dbs A safety, a DE (with Graham leaving and Cole allegedly refusing a pay cut) a MLB and an OG?
Do they or do they not?
They do. They have no players for these positions. That’s 6 open spots with no one to play them right now. If Maclin goes, that’s 7.
The team needs 7 starters right now….7 of 22 starters are potentially gone…….and you and the other dimtwits on here actually think the Eagles can wave the magic FA wand and make that all go away????
Because that’s what you’re and the other Disney fans are hoping for. Fairy Godmother to come in and rebuild 5 spots on D and an OG + probably a new WR with her wand.
Because you clowns are down with the “all in!!”
You’ve been an “all-in” clown ever since you’ve been on here. Always with the “best chance right now” attitude.
You were “best chance” with Mike…and now you’re “best chance” with Mariotta and a pile of nobodies. Picks don’t matter because the Eagles will just screw them up anyway!!!
I told you what needed to be done after the 2010 mirage. Sell the fraud, gather in those 2 firsts the Bills were offering and start rebuilding the team.
This team is nowhere close to a SB. If they wanted Mariotta they should have done the proper thing and tanked the season.
Now what you clowns want is the absolute worst of all worlds. Trading everything away for a college QB, when what this team desperately needs is as many picks as it can get.
No way Free agency fills all those open spots, and you’re gung-ho for trading away all the picks that would be needed.
whats funny to me is that year after year you cry about how a franchise QB is worth more than the entire team…. and now…..no.
I am not saying I want them to pull the trigger…. but we sure are laughing at you now. Anything but a guy who can run…. right Vinnie? 10 wins a season with the crap we have had in the secondary…. do we win 12 games this year with actual CB’s? i say we do.
Vin, stevo, this isn’t just about this coming season, this is for the future also, if he gets his franchise QB this year along with a new secondary and some depth in other areas what’s wrong? You at lease make the playoffs and the future looks bright n you go from there, it’s called BUILDING! You guys are acting like the league is going out of business after this season And what Chip is trying to do won’t work, calm down and enjoy the process.
exactly!!!!!
How do you build when you trade away all the blocks?
I am thinking a bit differently, he is still I. It to win it this year… Foles is the qb….book it
Eagles need at least 2 CB, 1 Safety, 1 to 2 WR’s & OLB in Free-Agency
They Have CB’s Nolan Carroll, B Boykin & J Watkins under Contract
They Can Draft OL,Secondary, LB and WR Depth in the Draf
Do note that Rebuilding a Secondary with 3/4 of Starters with New Players who are unfamiliar with Each Other and with a New Coach will take time.. In fact it will take all Summer, and probably 8-10 Weeks of the Regular Season before they can mesh and play well as a Unit
The DL and Pass-Rush must be at it’s best early on to help this new configured Secondary enough time to play well together…