On Rounds One and Two
The good news is that Eagles came away from this draft with two players that should be instant starters in Nelson Agholor and Eric Rowe. Both the first and second rounder were solid, safe picks that should help make the team better right away. I don’t know how good either one can really be in their first year, but just the face that it’s almost a lock that both guys will be in the starting lineup on Opening Day means that the Birds got some good value from their top picks, with no Marcus Smith-type projects to speak of.
I really liked the trade that brings the Eagles Detroit’s third-rounder next year, though it may hurt the team to not have any new talent from the fourth or fifth round, where plenty of gems remain on the board. If Detroit performs at their regular, erratic level, then this should have the Eagles an extra pick in the middle of the third round, which could turn into a really solid player.
On Round Three
After the Rowe pick, things get pretty dicey. Jordan Hicks is yet another guy with an extensive injury history, and doesn’t project to contribute to anything other than special teams in his first year. I don’t hate the Hicks pick, but I feel like the Eagles may have been better served using their third-rounder on another guy that can step in right away and help improve another area.
On Rounds Six And Seven
Rounds six and seven were also real head-scratchers for me. Granted, at this point in the draft, teams are just taking fliers on guys, but I don’t think it was necessary for the Eagles to draft two more cornerbacks. Corner is already crowded with Byron Maxwell, Rowe, Brandon Boykin, Nollan Carroll, Walter Thurmond, and Jaylen Watkins. I feel like it’s going to be a stretch for either JaCorey Sheperd or Randall Evans to have a realistic chance to make the team, meaning that unless the team trades a guy like Boykin between now and the start of the season, these are most likely two wasted picks. Ditto for seventh rounder Brian Mihalik, who also faces very long odds to become a part of an already deep defensive line rotation.
Final Thoughts
I also didn’t like that the Eagles failed to address the offensive line. They’ve now gone two straight years without drafting a lineman, and it’s particularly surprising that they decided not to replenish their talent here given the hole at right guard and the age of Jason Peters and Evan Mathis. I think it’s a mistake to rely on Allen Barbre or Matt Tobin to be an answer. Especially after the Eagles invested so much in the running back position, they would have been wise to protect that investment by adding a good prospect or two their mix.
However, despite my complaints, most of my grade for this draft is based around the first two picks. I like both Agholor and Rowe, and I feel like the Eagles came away from this draft a better football team because of them.
Grade: B
Tags: Philadelphia Eagles
I’ll give it a B. Cool with all the picks except the linebacker pick. I understand why they drafted him but we coulda took a o lineman right there. Didn’t like him just sittin in the 4th round while other teams took the lineman he wanted. If anything he shoulda made a trade to move up there instead of making a trade in the second round. Overall good draft tho. Got 3 really good corners which we needed and a very good wr who I think will be perfect for this offense
Jordan Hicks will get every opportunity to steal Mychal Kendricks job. Kendricks is a long shot to get a contract extension offer here. If Kiko and/or Hicks can’t displace Kendricks then GM Chipper will capitulate and crawl back to Kendricks like he had to with Brandon Graham and over pay him.
I like the videos of the top 3 draft picks provided, nice touch
I’ve never see a bad Video on any NFL Prospect but LB J Hicks is quite impressive as it shows him making multiple plays in stopping the run, dropping in pass coverage or rushing the QB
If this kid starts well in Camp I could envision Kiko Alonso moving outside
Where he can utilize his length and burst if he’s healed 100%
LB MSII has reportedly added 15 lbs of strength this off-season sockets see how he looks, if he plays wellandthe light goes on for him, then you have to question that Brandon Graham Deal as he doesn’t really have the measureables per Kelly’s wish list of Players by Position
I think many of us believe that Graham was very fortunate to get a Panic Deal by Kelly, who was surprised when Frank Gore reneged on his deal and then panicked to sign Graham at all costs not to send a bad message to other pending free-agents
I give this draft a solid B as well…would have preferred to pick up some offensive lineman…but the lineman they picked up in free agency were slated as 5-7th round picks…we may pick up someone that is cut…to give us a little more depth on the line
I would have preferred for us to move back in rd 3 – take a Olineman & and get another pick. Going forward, I would like to see us trade Kendricks for an Olineman (or draft choice) if Ryans makes it all the way back. If Ryans isn’t back, then we need Kendricks and Hicks.
My Grade is a C – and this is after 2 solid picks to Start the Draft
But Eagles went in with 8 Picks which the first 6 Selections in the Top 156 Picks and ended up with only 3 Selections at 20,47 & 84 and traded away 113,145 & 156 leaving them 191,193 & 237 to finish up so going in with some Good Trade
Pieces in Boykin & Kendricks and not make any moves to get some mid-round picks was a Lost opportunity in my opinion
On e Selecting ILB Hicks to go along with Kiko, DeMeco and Brad Jones
Then why hold onto LB M Kendricks who should have been able to bring a 3rd Rounder in Return
After Selecting 2 promising CB’s, does anyone see the smallest CB on the Roster (Boykin) remaining an Eagle beyond this Season?
Do note that Eagles have CB’s Boykin, Carroll & Thurmond signed thru 2015 Season, chances are both Carroll & Boykins are goners with Thurmond having to prove he can stay healthy and play consistently which he has failed to do the last 2 Seasons
I see Eric Rowe as a Safety for the Eagles with Watkins as the 3rd Safety
And Coupling as the 4th with a battle between Maragos & Prosinskki as the 5th and final Safety
I like WR N Aglohor, DB Rowe and LB Hicks and CB Shepard all to make the 53 Man Roster..
CB Evans and DT Mahiliki as Practice Squad Players
Maybe 1-2 of the UDFA can make the 53 Roster as OL or WR Depth
I was excited for this first Draft with Chip Kelly at the helm but was very disappointment with how the Draft played out and having no picks between
#84 thru #191 was puzzling to say the least
No OL Drafted was a mistake
No big DT Drafted was another mistake
time will tell to see how active Kelly/Marynowitz will be checkimg other Free-Agents or Players that get released due to numbers or bad fits schematically
Solid addition of Players. I am not worried about 4th and 5th round picks missing. Other than the boredom caused by missing picks in these rounds I happen to believe that after the 3rd round in most drafts you get guys of similar talent all the way through UDFA. I think the Eagles picked up what they need to grow as a program.
I think we will see some big money cuts this year out of Camp.
I give it a B also..I liked this draft. 2 starters and a couple of depth players.
I agree Rhino. C – Paulman? Little harsh don’t you think. Even if 2 out of the 6 contribute this season this is an A+ draft
I like the first 4 Players selected but they needed
To address the OL/DL and not rely on Undrafted/Camp Bodies..
They did add some interesting Players
If OT Collins out of LSU is cleared and picks the Eagles to sign with as a UDFA would you push this draft to an A?
It will be weeks and perhaps months before any definitive
Word or action on La’el Collins Status
He will sue the NFL to re-enter the 2016 Draft
And sit out the year instead of signing a Cheapo
Free-Agent Deal which locks you up for 2 years at
A league minimum without any large Bonus’s
Involved
B+
What did Eagles lack most, and fans complain most about last year? From my notes it was the obvious secondary needs. Kuddos to the Chipper. Now the critics…Chip drafted for need and didn’t necc. take the best on the board regardless of position. He did what he had to do perhaps risking missing on a star on another position. Chip would have gotten slammed for that in the Reid era. So he takes a very good linebacker and takes the best on their board in the 3rd and…he gets the what the hey is he doing?=questions. Let Chip be Chip…He is an offensive minded coach who just loaded up the defense, thus helping the offence. In Chip I trust!
But he isn’t a GM that understands NFL Level Talent…..
How many NFL stars has he developed at Oregon??…other than Ngata, Byrd, and Ward – Defensive players – BUT when he tells us that Mariota will be a star in the NFL – How much weight to give to that prediction???
He hasn’t developed one Offensive player to come to the pros and make an impact. For me he doesn’t have a leg to stand on. This is the same guy who wanted to overdraft Taylor Hart in the 3rd last year……an outright bum
He is a good Offensive mind that could be great – but not as a guy calling the shots with player personnel…..
Paulman isn’t harsh enough – D MINUS
Cliff you have softened in your older age… I predicted before the draft that you would grade it as an F MINUS for sure…I’m sure you spent hours watching coaches tape of Utah and specifically watched Rowe, then you watched 50 more hours of Texas and focused on Hicks…and so on…
Lol hac you wont let cliff go with this shit
What grade would you give it Ciggy???
I like Agholar, but not in the 1st Round…..
I like Rowe – at Safety……Kelly want to play him at starting CB
Hicks – potentially good player maybe, health pending – but was overdrafted, and would have been available in the 5th…..Taylor Hart situation reincarnated, and brought to fruition….
the Corner from Kansas may be a steal, but he has to prove it right?
No, I haven’t nor do I look at a lot of tape. You don’t have to.
I find it amazing, and laughable that all that do – still get it wrong – must be all that darn experience they have huh??…..
Last year I gave the draft a C-, BUT if Marcus Smith was a bust it’s an F-…….Matthews was our lone impact from that draft
How many are left on the team from the Lane Johnson draft?
Kelly may unload what most called an A+ Draft with Cox, Kendricks, and Boykin. I like Cox, and Kendricks, and I graded a B-, But I guess that draft didn’t do us any good either huh???
Maybe some should temper their opinions, and just wait, and see until they prove all the potential, and impact you think they will have…FYI
Johnson and ertz are impact players from 13 … and again that was apparently Howie..
as for my grade for this draft I can tell you I have seen USC maybe once in the last couple of years and I didn’t focus on Agholar, I watched the game. Rowe– I never saw any Utah game…. and I don’t think I watched any of the other picks and if I did I didn’t focus on individual players–
I will grade the draft after next season.
My point is there is way you can say a player was ‘over drafted”– you simply don’t and CAN’T watch enough football and focus on individual players… question if Tom Brady went as a number 1 overall pick instead of in the 6th round would he have been overdrafterd?
Not really Ciggy, neither had a good year, and IF you watched as you say, you would know that….
Sure you can say a person was overdrafted, if he wasn’t potentially considered viable until the 5th-6th Round, and we draft him in the 3rd…Of course you can..
To answer your question …….I know you are not dumb, but this was my statement,….”No, I haven’t nor do I look at [a lot] of tape. You don’t have to…….I don’t look at a lot of tape. The experts as you say do…..and I will tell you they over analyze to the detriment of their teams best interest……
You say I watch, and read the reports of others, – But my opinions differ from most –
Yet how many ever reported the Trent Richardson would be a bust? How many watched Johnny Manziel play on tape, analyzed him, interviewed him, and couldn’t see he was a glorified COLLEGE QB – Not an NFL QB???….
My point to you is if their drafts are all that you say……WHY, are so many that you glorify, and assume are good prospects immediately after the draft – are no longer with the team???
or haven’t even reached the expectations that most thought they would?? Ertz does come to mind. He was suppose to supplant Celek 2 years ago….Why hasn’t it happened??
I’m not whining, or complaining. I’m stating my opinion of the draft results. Some one not liking that is their problem. Honestly, when have I ever cared about someone not agreeing with my opinion – which still is a D-
Tom Brady’s situation at QB was very rare.
But to answer your question…YES, he would be overdrafted at #1, because he didn’t prove himself worthy of that accolade prior to the draft, and he didn’t develop into what he is today until AFTER he sat and developed WITH the right coach, team, and scheme. He is irrelevant to this conversation.
Vontaze Burfict wasn’t drafted at all….should he have been based on his accomplishments after he was signed as an UDFA??
You can’t base All circumstances against one another, and come to the same conclusions.
please tell me how the hell you can analyze a player/draft and not watch the player? that’s what gets me about all you guys who bash this pick or that pick…
you read some report on line, watch some show on ESPN and then no matter who the eagles pick you whine and complain…
cliff i don’t analyze the draft because if i’ve never watched a player how can i judge them?
you pretty much say all players will be a bust… which statistically is an easy statement to back up.
as johnson and ertz — this is your connor barwin all over again– watch johnson particularly in run blocking… why hsn’t ertz supplanted celek…um celek is good and so is ertz… oh and bennie logan is solid rotational tackle… forgot about him..
again if i drafted brady 1 would that be over drafted?
That’s not true Ciggy. If that were the case, I wouldn’t create a mock of my own every year…Not every player is a bust. Most that I have are ballers.
The Eagles the majority of drafts, whiff on the players that can really help them. We haven’t won a SuperBowl, not mainly because of coaching, but because they draft the wrong players, and are always going back to the drawing board to make up for the bad decisions they’ve made in the past…
BTW, you offer solid criticism, and a good argument, which I am enjoying, without personal insults. I appreciate that Ciggy…
You’re talking about my opinions of 3 drafted players, and a free agent signing……I’m talking about their drafts as a whole for the last 16 years……
Just look at the Steelers drafts for the last 2 years, and you ‘ll see why they’ve won multiple SuperBowls. They have competent talent evaluators…
That’s not Chip Kelly
obviously they haven’t done enough on the draft to win…
how many solid players make a good draft?
more than what they’ve given us…
If the Eagles were going to offer multiple 1st round picks with multiple players why not just call Seattle up and ask Pete Carroll if he is interested in moving Russell Wilson for all that. lol
Come to Philly Russell Wilson you would instantly become the best player for the Eagles and Phillies. You are our new QB, leadoff hitter and second baseman. I will personally drive that stiff Utley to the airport.
I know you said it tongue and cheek but 1. Carroll would laugh, 2. Wilson is due $100 contract very soon
The Eagles haven’t received anything lower than a B in any grade from every big publication n theirs guys on here giving them Cs n Ds, either u guys know better then those who do it for a living or you guys just straight hate. I just read belicheck drafted a guy a safety with their second round pick who was projected by other scouts as a 4th or 5th round pick, I guess Bill doesn’t know what he’s doing? We all know that’s not true, he picked that guy cause on his board he fits his system n that’s what he’s worth to Bill, Chip is doing the same exact thing, if Chp is wrong for picking guys like that than so is Bill.
Very true Andrew. This is by far the most negative site for Eagles fans on the web. A bunch of frustrated old men (with the exception of TS) who crave attention and try to get it by bashing the coach and every move he makes. I have pretty much stopped coming here for any actual information or debate, only check in to see which poster is having a breakdown or what the next sockpuppet will say to try and increase clicks. These guys truly believe that the majority of NFL executives are idiots and if only Lurie would listen to THEIR opinion and moves, that this team would be in a better position than the professionals that he pays. Pretty comical actually.
Everyone has an opinion, and that is what makes the NFL such a great success, but too many on here seem happier if the team fails and their OPINIONS are correct rather than the team winning and the coach succeeding.
GO BIRDS !!!
they always lead with the negative… there was no way cliff was giving any eagles draft a B…NEVER! during 2009 paulman was predicing the phillies in 3rd place, pointing out all deficiencies… barwin makes the pro bowl and cliff still sees him as nothing… its plain and simple they are happiest when whining.
Yeah Greenfan because in order to be a success in picking NFL players you need a degree in profootballology right? Because you know a guy like Matt Millen knows more about football so he knows which players will be great players? Maybe Lurie shouldn’t listen to anyone but his coaches and GM’s seeing all those Lombardi’s on display at the Novacare Center.
No lion you need to live it everyday… and even then you have more misses than hits…
the point is some people just attack all picks/every pick
No you don’t have to live it. You just need an eye for talent, I watched tape of Marcus Smith and immediately knew he wasn’t a first round talent. And I disagree that everyone attacks picks players and if they do guess what? It’s their opinion just like Greenfan has his own opinions on posters.
You mad Biggie?
You seem jealous that a team would hire a former all-pro player and TV commentator to be a GM. Millen may of had some well known mistakes while he was a GM, but I would not say that he did not have a level of experience greater than the posters on GCobb dot com….but the truth is that there are at least half a dozen posters on here that are deluded enough to believe that they could be an NFL executive. They post their MOCK drafts with great pride, and actually think that ANYONE cares. Truly funny.
Biggie you have been a loud and proud Chip hater. Chances are the way that things work in the NFL, that you will be proven correct and Kelly will be fired at some point in the future. Really stepping out on a limb with that one….
I will play Biggie…it is a crime that you, Cliff, Paulman, Vinnie and the rest are all relegated to posting your vast in-depth NFL knowledge on the lowly GCobb because the ownership of the NFL conspires to keep their stupid and ill-advised Pro-Player personnel directors and scouts in place. A real crime….hahaha. Come on Biggie.
Greenie I get sick and tired period of the Mayock/Kiper/McShays of the world who have no discernible skill thinking their knowledge makes them better informed then us. I guarantee you that you,Izell,myself, Dcar and Vinnie could sit in a room over 4 days and out draft all these experts. Now we might kill each other first but if we survived we could pull it off. I excluded Cliff because we wouldn’t get a word in, lololol.
lol….you are probably right on that!
These guys generally have a professional football background…even Kiper used to work with Ernie Ecorsi when he was with the Balto Colts.
One thing that I think gets ignored is that it doesn’t always matter When you are picked as opposed to Where you are picked, as far as a players success in the NFL. Talent is a huge part in grading a player, but once there is a consensus of general talent, the teams that can look beyond that and see how the player will fit within their system and coaches are generally the more successful teams. Drafting a player in a particular draft round because “everyone believes” that he is the highest rated player on the board does not always make sense because some players fit certain teams better than others….be it defensive scheme or offensive system, the success of a player is greatly dependent on the team that he is drafted by.
Look at the top of the draft this year…I believe that both the Buc’s and Titan’s made mistakes with the QB’s they selected. The Buc’s just hired Mariota’s OC and Winston would be a better fit with Wisenhunt’s pro-style system. Like you said Biggie…this is only Greenie’s opinion here, but many of the moves that Kelly makes are a result of his tunnel-vision of the types of players he wants on his team, and the conventional wisdom of rating players based on pure talent does not come into play as much.
There appear to be a few openings in the Eagles scouting department after 3 were let go today. Any posters looking to apply?
BigLion – the Mayocks, Kipers, McShays job is to introduce the draft class to the NFL fans.
Introduce them to keep the evil empire churning and in the news! However much espn pays those guys the nfl should match it!
E0S they should stick with that and I wouldn’t complain one bit, but they like us have no skin in the game but unlike us they can kill a kids chance of a career without repercussions.
lion how can they kill a guys career? GM’s don’t listen to them…if they do they become X GM’s!
You don’t think they have an in with these GM’s Cigar?
I don’t think the GM’s listen to them even a little bit! I think to be a GM in any major sport you have to have such solid convictions….and stick to them….
Didn’t one coach a couple of years ago when a reporter said ‘mel kipper said that was a reach’…answer, ‘who the hell is mel kipper and what the F has he ever done?”
LMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMMFBO!!!!!
Me and BigL dont see eye to eye on a ton but more than anyone he is upfront about his bias on Kelly and his approach. IMO most knowledgeable fans can have a great idea on players in the first two rounds. Those players tend to be cream of the crop of either athletically(from a combine perspective) or skill wise(college production). Where i disagree and it can be nauseating with some of the so called experts on here is when guys start spouting off on picks past the third etc when even the most knowledgeable does not spend time watch a WAC game on a Saturday night etc. A player here and there yes but overall no.
For example….not one person on here…can honestly say they heard of and scouted Jaquiski Tartt.
Read the archives of the draft here last year…some pretty vocal people on here who bang their chests didnt want Odell Beckham….some wanted Calvin Prior….etc etc…
After the first two picks….no ones opinion is better than the other…we truly all have to wait and see.
Thanks Izell, after the third round l only look for guys I personally like and think can play. Case in point I think the Jags got a cold blooded steal in Rashad Greene in the 4th round. It depends where you live as well I’m in SEC country so I was all over Odell Beckham but in my wildest dreams never expected him to perform like that.
For example….not one person on here…can honestly say they heard of and scouted Jaquiski Tartt……..
I can.
Gm I just heard the Eagles fired there a few of there college scouts today. They must not be happy with their draft
that’s not what that says at all…
this is just the final straw of chip getting full control…
next he is going to sell his shakes to the public for 2 billion$ because they are the magic healer for ACL injuries, then he buys the team and is the king of the world…. Broad street changes its name to chip Kelly street even before a super bowl has been won
without watching film how did you scout him?
Sorry Cigar, i have to come to Cliff’s defense here, he talked to me about Tartt months ago before combine season and everything.
Ciggy – For the 2nd time – I didn’t say I didn’t watch ANY film. I said I don’t watch {{a lot}} of film – like a WHOLE LOT – I watch enough.
Dude let it go..
Verizon FIOS has TONS of sports channels to see these small school prospects all year round, and you can obviously focus on a particular players individual highlights through the internet
2 of my nephews will be playing Football at South Dakota State, and I will be able to catch their games on the regular because of the extension of the cable coverage.
Wrong GM, check the archive, I was the first person on here to discuss Tartt just like I was the first to discuss Randy Gregory. Scouting these guys are easy, you can you tube their games. When I watch an actual game, I key in on that player. I already have 10 players I will be looking at this upcoming season. The DTV ESPN sports zone college football package is a great tool to use.
My Bad EHL you’re right that was you and I who had that conversation you are correct sir.
It is all good BigL. In August I will start talking about some of the players I will be watching this college season.
That’s TRUE Eagle, but I never claimed to be the first.
Ciggy and someone else claimed no one had ever heard of him, or scouted him before the combine, which wasn’t true.
I didn’t say no one ever heard of him…. because I still have never heard of him!
EHL…Lol I knew you brought Tartt…but I was waitng for the hypebeast internet GMs that didnt to say they did…..
I was not let down as usual lmao
And the point isnt about 1 or 2 players that individually we can look at but the evaluation on the whole.
The archives say last year many would take Brandon Cooks over Beckham…or Calvin Prior…etc.
Some knocked CJ Mosley…..
List goes on and on.
And then Paulman is wrong on 90% of his projections but lets us know OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAING he wanted Jon Brown LMAO I KID I KID.
That’s not entirely True GMCliff…
Do note that Tartt plays for Samford which plays in the Southern Conference which are Schools are here in the South and play
versus my local College (App State which is now moved to the Sunbelt) .. My Daughter goes to School at Western Carolina University which plays Samford, Wofford, Mercer, Furman, UT-Chatt etc,etc so I do come across some of better Players from these Smaller Conference
App State has now moved up to the Sun Belt Conference and plays Schools like Georgia Southern, Georgia State, South Alabama UL – Lafayette, UL-Monroe, Arkansas State, Texas State so I’ve seen and read about Players like QB Bridge, TE W Saxon, CB Chris Mager, etc, There are some NFL Players from App State, who I follow and watch Games since it’s local which there are about 6-8 Players in the NFL (DE Jason Hunter, OL Chris Kilgore, DB D McClain, WR A Peacock, WR Brian Quick, WR Tony Washington, Punter Sam Martin)
I’ve seen RB Jerrald McKinney from Georgia Southern who is now on the Vikings..
RB Tavaris Cadet of the Saints who made the NFL 3 Years ago as an UDFA and has since signed a Free Agent Deal with the Patriots
A good versatile RB, Special Teams Player who fits perfect for what
the Patriots do..
Eagles lowest grade was a “B” last year too.
Rotoworld gave the Eagles 2011 draft a “B” So did Sports Illustrated.
Draft grades are irrelevant.
grading a draft 2 days after its over is stupid! it takes two-three seasons to grade a draft.
Your dead wrong Vin! It was universally considered a bad draft from the first pick through the Oregon bias. Here’s something for u concerning the O line, I know u have a problem with them not drafting one, of the four teams that made the final rounds of the playoffs last year, only 48% of those linemen were drafted by those teams, as for the Eagles? 50% of our lineman were drafted, we actually have a higher percentage of drafted linemen then them, would u say Chip is wrong if he decided to follow those teams blueprint instead of yours?
andrew there was no oregon bias in 11
Chip wasn’t here in 11
Dead wrong? Dude, you have heard of the internet right? Type in “draft grades 20__” and there they all are….Eagles had Bs and B+s all over the place last year…and in 2011 too (which was a disaster).
Post draft grades are stupid.
Chip was here in 11? I didn’ know that, they got Bs last year? The only grade that was considered good was Matthews
Why your panties in a bunch?
You said “The Eagles haven’t received anything lower than a B in any grade from every big publication”
You waxed poetic about how publications are giving the Eagles a B and that is somehow validation of a good draft.
All I did was point out that Eagles got Bs all over the place last year…and the draft before that…and the draft before that…..they always get that….most teams do. Even the POS 2011 draft was graded “B” by most publications.
I don;t have the exact #s, but a study was done a couple years back they tracked draft grades…..something like 80% of the grades, over several years, were either A or B. Completely skewed and ridiculous.
Draft grades are stupid.
You’re correct Vinnie, and those grades mean nothing. The results of the impact of the players they drafted does.
Eagles have been piss poor, no matter what, the gullible try to say to justify them.
Not all Eagles fans, follow blindly, by not being critical when criticism is warranted, and reasonable. The time to give them the benefit of the doubt, is when they win a SuperBowl….
You guys stop whining…
What is relevant is that 75% of drafted players do not make their 4th year. 50% of them never play.
But lets ignore that. Lets pretend that Eagles “hit” on every player they chose. That each and every pick plays/produces to the best of his drafted position (Fantasy, I know, but lets pretend anyway).
So, If this draft produuced all “hits” what did the Eagles get??
1 – Starting slot wr in 2015. Starting outside WR 2016. This is good.
2 – Starting FS (I think that’s where he’ll end up). That’s good.
3 – Backup to the backup ILB in 2015, perhaps starting ILB in 2016. Was a backup backup ILB in any way a pressing concern? Did the Eagles not sign a FA ILB and trade for another already?
4 – Zilch
5 – Zilch
6 – two backup CBs and special teams contributors.
7 – Please…Kelly just trolling drafting the biggest of the big people.
S0….at absolute best, with no errors this draft produces 2 starters and a backup this year.
Factor in the 50% traditional failure rate and…….
I don’t get this draft one bit.
Just more of Kelly lurching, juuuust a little bit behind and over-reacting. What we’ve seen all offseason.
Overrracted to the Cinci “rumour” that Hicks was their target and grabbed him too early….when he wasn’t a need…..abandoning OL which was….thus opening him up to missing the run on OL in the 4th (coulda had his in the 3rd) and forcing him to over-react again…always a little step behind.
I generally do not like ‘skill’ guys in the 1st round. Shit teams like Detroit take WRs in the first, good teams stick to OL and DL….but it looks like Agholor will contribute. Same with pick #2….but after that…..this thing fell apart fast.
2011 mostly B’s saw one A and one D minus… if anyone knew what tehy were talking about its an F! F minus! — its all to get clicks!
Vin, u keep valuing players based on where the football gurus value them n not where the coaches value them for their team, that’s where u keep missing it, do u know Tom Brady won four SBs with the lease amount of pro bowlers than anyone? How is that possible? The answer is the system! Belicheck went n got guys that fit his system n didn’t care what people said about him overreaching for players, do u remember what happen the beginning of last year? He went n got rid of his all pro guard right before the season started, it affected them for a couple games then they went n won the SB, how was that possible? How do u get rid of an all pro, replace him with a backup n not skip a beat? Answer, the system! Let this play out, we’re gonna b fine.
“Football gurus”
I pay absolutely no attention to “football gurus”, except to laugh at the constant and overbearing praise.
If I listened to football gurus I would have bought into the continual “Vick gives the Eagles the best chance” BS I heard week after week.
I know what I value.
I would never, ever take a WR in the first round, because they’re replaceable nobodies.
You bring up Bellicheck….quick…how many 1st round picks has he used on WR since he arrived in NE? How many 2nds?
He’s used 3 second rounders over the past 16 years…and no firsts. Kelly has used a first, a second, and a third on that position over the past 2 years.
Yuck.
Oh….and he got rid of his All-pro guard because he was 33 and on the decline.
Meanwhile…Eagles are counting on their declining 33 and 34 year olds.
Pats always picking up extra picks….get as many guys in as possible.
Picked up an extra 4th for that trade too…..Had 2 extra 4ths this year….7 picks in the first 5 rounds….Kelly traded away all his 4ths, 5ths and 2nd next year too!
Pats 7 picks in 5 rounds…Eagles 3.
We’ll see who that works out better for.
I do agree with that Vinnie…the LLCB is somewhat emulating belichik except in the area of the draft…
Except they took both Gronkowski and Dobson in the 2nd round and really didnt have to go after a WR after giving up a 2nd with Welker many moons ago.
Yet the did blow numerous picks on defensive backs and ended up finally splurging on two CBs to put them over the top after numerous failed attempts….
So again no teams approach is better than they the other. The Patriots have missed far more than they have hit in the last 3-5 years defensively.
4th rounder for Randy Moss to Raiders
IZ– of course teams hit more than they miss– which is why more picks is better…
I don’t grade drafts until a couple of years pass… but I was just a bit disappointed that we traded a couple away… I understand why you do it…
anyway I’ve read up on the picks, they all seem to be a prototype of a ‘chip’ guy… smart, well spoken, certain measurable…I think most are college graduates etc. time will tell.
On that same note HAC this franchise has been trade back pick hoarders….and really have not had an impact player from that philosophy. Wheres our Aldon Smith, JJ Watt, Greg Hardy etcs.
that was something reid was a fan of for sure…. and people whined about that!
all I hope is that this new philosophy produces those type of impact player. I’m hoping that his philosophies turn into really picks up and down the rounds…
Thats 10 DBs since 2009 and the only true hit has been McCourty.
With all those DBS drafted….who were the starting CBs in the Superbowl for NE?
Revis and Browner
That was sarcasm EOS 🙂
That’s Exactly the point!! Trading away picks is bad!
50% of draft picks never make ANY team…over 75% are gone before their third year…the percentages of course drop as the draft moves into later rounds.
The majority of picks fail, therefore having as many as possible is very important.
Belicheck knows this and collects as many as he can every year…and still they miss!
Eagles had 3 draft picks of ‘consequence’ yesterday. At least 1 will fail….and 3 flyers in the 6th and 7th (odds that none will make an impact.
By trading away picks, Kelly reduced the probability of picking impact players.
I will be surprised if there are more than 2 guys from this draft on the roster in 3 years.
CB Ryan Logan (Rutgers and from Voorhees,NJ) has played pretty well
not an All-Pro Player, but still a pretty good Player
How about Undrafted Free-Agent CB who won the Super Bowl for them with that Int at the Goal-Line..
Malcolm Butler — heard Mel Kiper say this weekend that NE flew him in for a tryout, he showed up with no cleats, he didn’t have any from hometown in mississippi – played at West Alabama Div.2.
The Eagles have two starting linebackers who are coming off season ending injuries. We complained about injury history and depth all season, and how we get a projected future starter and you’re complaining?
I see you point with their need for an OL, but I don’t think it was as big of a need as WR and S were. Future depth along the OL would be nice, but you can pick up great depth once training camp cuts are made or signing of UDFA.
I like first 4 Players Selected and would grade those Players Prospects as Solid Players and future Starters as a “Solid B”,
My Overall Draft Grade of of a “C-” is reflective of not getting more players when they started out with 8 Selections and had a few Players to Trade to have the ability to move up in the Draft so my “C -” Reflects the “Lost Opportunity” of this Draft and heck, even Chip Kelly, said in his Press Conference Yesterday that the OL is an Area that needs some upgrades and of concern moving forward when looking a quality young Depth and simply relying on the Undrafted Free-Agents to build Depth along the OL doesn’t cut it with me and especially when the Draft was 4-5 Rounds Deep with Quality OL Prospects
Plus I am not sure how the Eagles keep Unwanted/Unhappy Players like Mathis, Kendricks and Boykin who all don’ fit the Future Plans so why not move them to get some Value since they Selected ILB/CB”S to replace them anyways..
I honestly think that Mathis and Kendricks could possibly be on the roster for week 1. I think that at this point they have more value on the field than on another teams roster for a pick that is a full year away. Unless they get a great value pick for either guy (2nd or 3rd rounder) I assume they stay put.
As for Boykin, idk why but I feel like hes a goner. He’s just too small for Kelly’s liking and doesn’t keep his feelings private. Neither does Mathis, but Mathis is a guy whos made his name based of his antics.
I was a fan of Boykin…..thought he should have a chance at the outside. But the more I see him play the more he is Rhoderick Hood to me. A very good slot CB maybe a spot no.2 CB but nowhere near a no.1 CB.
And lets be honest….he struggled a bit as well last year in the slot.
im fine with rounds 1-3. after that it seems like chip just said fuck it our corners have sucked lets just get a ton of corners and hopefully 1 works out which is an awful strategy… think we have 10+ corners on our roster right now wtf?
Most of these draft grades are A, B, C with varying pluses or minuses.
So they are really offering a scale of 9 ( A+,A,A-,B+,B,B-,C+,C,C-)
C- minus could be considered a 1 or 2 on a scale of (1-10)
Damn 3 dudes from the scouting dept were let go…. all ‘howies guys’ according to les bowen… the LLCB is on fire….
Perfect,
job opening,
the GCobb Doomy and Gloomy crew print out your voluminous notebooks and get them over to Jeff Lurie’s Nova Care Complex.
Super Bowl here we come
oh that would be hilarious!
‘but Chip I have him mocked at 47 and you chose him at 34….whine, whine whine’!
‘Chip…. go back to your stupid blog!’
LOL, preemptive strike.
Again another draft where all the “expert” GM’s on here bitch about how horrible the draft went. The Eagles never get it right and they reached at every pick and so on and so on. How about trying this……wait till the season starts and see who makes the team and who helps the team. Anyone who seriously thinks teams draft starters after round 2, clearly know nothing about the draft and the NFL.
Was this an A+ draft…..not close but it was a good draft. Patience people!
They filled some needs and added competition which is what you want coming out of the draft.
For the one’s questioning why didn’t they trade Kendricks or Boykins…..were they supposed to just give them away? They probably didn’t get an offer that they thought was good enough. If they truly want to trade them, wait till camp starts then you’ll see them get moved.
SO what..
They filled some needs and added competition which is what you want coming out of the draft……
That doesn’t make it a good draft genius……They needed better potential, and talent from those prospects….
said another way ‘they needed to draft the guys I like’…’oh and I haven’t actually seen much tape, I’ve developed my evaluation through…. ‘ that’s where I get lost.
haveacigar…….does that fool really think he knows how to judge talent?
I’ve seen enough tape, but don’t know where your criticism is coming from sense you claim you don’t know…….
Then I would leave it alone, because you don’t have a leg to stand on with this topic.
It won’t change what I think, or what others think. Just know I’m not a gullible fan that will not accept anything the team puts in front of me as legitimate talent when, so many are released in less than a year, because they were never what they thought they were….
Don’t riff at me…riff at the Eagles….
Cliff tell you what next year if I’m not busy after the season I will listen to the experts and take a list of the top 10 mocked guys another 10 projected in the second and 10 projected from the 4-5 rounds… If I can get some highlight film I will rank them.
If you don’t watch film I still don’t know what u are using to evaluate.
he uses Eenie, meenie, miney, moe
Ok, I forgot you are the ONLY person in the world who can do the GM job to perfection. I guess you could have MADE another GM give you a 2nd round pick for Kendricks and a 3rd for Boykin.
Who had a good draft “genius”?
Why don’t you tell us the players that you KNOW are going to be Pro Bowlers from this draft so in a year or 2 we can laugh at you, bc you know NOTHING about the NFL, drafting, or being a GM.
riiiiight…..
here we go…………… another addition to the already multiple profiles that already knows what time it is………you’ve BEEN ON HERE FOR YEARS, you already know I don’t need to be justified by a hypocritical no nothing looking to seem smarter than he really is…….
I asked you for you 2-7 rounds well before the combine, and you continue to try to save face by keeping silent ……You’re a clown. Sit down, and shut up.
BTW, I’m not wrong often, so why don’t you school me, on what you think you know finally…..
This excerpt from Philly.com article concerning drafting OL.
Consider: Of the 16 linemen on the Eagles’ roster as of Sunday, eight of them were undrafted. That figure, 50 percent, might seem high. It’s not – not relative to the NFL’s four best teams last season, anyway. Of the 57 offensive linemen on the Patriots’, Colts’, Seahawks’, and Packers’ rosters, 28 were undrafted. That’s 49 percent of them, and those 29 linemen who were drafted include five who were selected in the sixth or seventh round.
damn….
wait 28 + 29 = 57… so it is saying all of the lineman were UDFA or 6,7 round picks? really????wow
Another part of the article states that the investment of OL in the opening rounds of the draft tend to be strictly for the OT position where premium is spend on drafting. Considering we have Peters and Johnson than it makes sense why the guard positions are going another route now. I think the Birds were going OL but there was a run on OL in the third before their pick.
I read that wrong… got it.
well right — first round talent along with some UDFA etc…
“On the roster”
right..the way I see it the eagles have 2 #1’s, kelce was what a 5 or 6?, mathis a 3 and barber is a 4…. sounds about right…
33, 34, 31 (Barbre)
Its “right, right now…..but NFL.
Jason Peters was undrafted and came into the league as a TE. Thus proving Izzells point.
I too am concerned about not drafting lineman…but I’m not a sky is falling type… in chip we trust… lol
NO! In chip YOU trust! Not we.
i actually don’t trust him yet! but have no choice to develop some sort of trust… something.
That article is disingenuous (at best)
50% or “on the roster” players can be UFAs….fine….but look at the starters from those teams last year and there’s a very different picture.
Of the 20…there are:
5 1st rounders
3 2nd rounders
1 3rd rounder
5 4th rounders
1 5th rounder
1 7th rounder
4 UFAS….
So that’s a bit of a different picture than 50% UFAs non? 4 of 20 is not 50%
Can UFAs become starter….sure. But should a team count on that? No.
75% of the starters on those final 4 teams dere drafted over the first 5 rounds.
Kelly doesn’t seem to care much about picks in those middle rounds.
The fact is that the Eagles have 1 draft pick (and round) on the Oline over 3 years.
Unheard of and disastrous long term
And those other teams over the past 3 seasons….did they draft 1 solitary lineman?
GB 4
Sea 6
NE 4
Indy 5
GB and INDY have been throwing as many OL they can but have relied more on vets and castoffs than anything else. NE and Sea gave up key OL contributors in Mankins and Unger for offensive help.
Patriots have loaded up on OL the last couple of Drafts and have mostly
home grown Drafted PLayers like N Solder, S Vollmer, M Cannon, Cameron Flemming, Chris Barker, Bryan Stork, Josh Kline..
In fact I do see 1 Free-agent Player on their OL on their Entire Roster
The Packers are very similar and Draft and Coach up their Own..
some work out an some don’t…
Patriots have not been the surefire hits many are trying to project them as right now. Belichek does however have the ability to scheme fit people into his defenses and that has helped mask many of their misses.
And offensively if Tom Brady has masked all their inefficiencies lol.
We are hoping ‘our genius’ is as good as their genius.
Remember there was a ton of angst about our kicking situation….and when the Eagles traded for Parkey and sent them Fluellen and a bag of socks this entire board went crazy saying they were desperate didnt know what they were doing we are screwed etc. etc…..
That worked out well for them. I see the same approach in the preseason to any weakness they may have. Glut of CBs and LBs on the team…..if Barbre looks like a bum or we get injured…I think you see the same type of moves to address that.
Lets be honest about Kicker Parkey, no one and I mean no one could have foreseen the Success & Consistency from a 1st Year Rookie Kicker for its a very rare occurrence .. Now hopefully he keeps pace and works hard and booms those kicks even further.. That was a great pick-up and trade with the Colts
That’s my point Paulman, evaluation goes much deeper than a mock draft projection.
Fellas the Eagles fired a few of their college scouts today. That tells me they aren’t even satisfied with how the draft went down. So how can you guys come on here and say they had a great draft. It doesn’t seem the Eagles think so
dude its just chip getting chips guys… its part of his plan– he couldn’t do it in January… so get the draft out of the way- fire them structure the scouting dept how he and Ed want it.
Hac gotta give you props you have been on point for the last couple days
I really don’t get some of you guys on here, you guys will defend the Eagles till the end. I am not all negative all the time but I question some of the things they do. This draft was just average to me. Granted I’m far from a pro scout but I know dumb shit when I see it.
Im pretty sure everyone on here was mad chip didnt get any olinemen even kool made a statement about that……but no one is defending him…..more like let it play out……man in that 7th rd pick i would have picked lael collins…..I know they proballt scouted the bc de but most likely he wilo be cut and if lael is innocent….he just finished answering the police questions….he would put us at a solid A for draft grade…..and if he did it oh well its a 7th rd pick
Z my guess is there was an ‘unofficial’ mandate from the league to stay away….
if indicted and he was drafted headline reads,, “NFL player indicted for murder’— if not drafted ‘Former LSU player indicted’….
Yea that makes sense godell doesnt need anymore reasons for him to get fired and the nfl is tired of the negative publicity
average based on what exactly?
Nobody…NOT EVEN CHIP KELLY, NOT BELICHIK, NOT PETE CARROLL know how good their draft was or wasn’t!!!!! NOBODY!
those guys were fired as part of the cleaning house–
THEY DIDNT PICK ONE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN IN TWO YEARS REALLY!!!
yeah I know…they do need some offensive lineman I agree– so I guess if they drafted a shitty lineman it would have been a B? why draft a bad player just to fill a position of need??? I don’t understand that.
Hac one thing about me I don’t go back and forth just to go back and forth. Your were right about the personnel guys that makes sense. So your telling me that all the other teams in this draft that picked lineman. Picked shitty lineman?
There may be some all pro OL in this draft for sure. Just didn’t fall right on their board. I’m sure going in you have people at each spot on the board and if your guy isn’t there you don’t pass on a player to reach on a need.
I would bet money right now that 3 OL will be drafted next year.. 5 over the next 2 years.
I hate using these guys as examples but even the stinkin Dallas Cowgirls drafted a couple of lineman. They had the best line in football last year. That’s the main reason I think the draft was average, you can’t ignore your line for two years. Especially when you have an injury prone bust playing quarterback for you.
i wanted one in round 1– I get it but when you reach for a need you get danny Watkins….
Or Marcus Smith. Hahahahahahaha.
This is conformation that Howie was bumped. These scouts are collateral damage from removing Howie Roseman from the personnel department. The Chipper and Marynowitz will fill those spots with people they respect not who the previous regime (Howie) respects.
Its commonplace for teams to reshuffle their scouting department after the draft especially after regime changes.
But then again lets make something that happens around the league all the time bigger because it happened here in Philly. SMH
Most Team wait until the Draft is over for Teams don’t like to have ex-employees going around and telling other Teams what they are up to..
This is pretty Standard
13 Year Eagle Employ Andy Patch who was most Recent Director of College Scouting
5 Year Director of Player Personnel Rick Mueller
3 Year Lead Scout of the Southwest Territory Brad Ober
None of these were any Surprise, As soon as teh Shake-up went Down in January, these Employees were on thin ice but do remember that Scouts do most of their leg work in the Fall as scout as Trips, Interviews,Workouts,etc,etc so you wait until after the Draft is over and then you cut the chord…
Dear Chipper,
I know a guy who is an A plus talent evaluator. He can identify at least 25 impact players every draft cycle.
and he’s got a friend who is always right because at one point or another he ‘picks’ every player in the draft.
Yawl are wild…..lol
And they can probably do better then whoever they hire.
you speak truth Biggie to the haters
LORD DONT HYPE YOURSELF
Yeah… They read the same reports we all do… He already admitted that he didn’t watch film… It’s a crapshoot… Kelly is going all in on the metrics…
LMFAO@Z
Nah Z this is hyping yourself. The only better hire would be ME. BigLion, LMAO, but after I kept bringing up FSU and SEC players they’d kick my ass right back to Duval.
Izell im just saying some people be doin way too much…..bring your ass back to reality…..lol
Just ignore them Biggie – Izzell and Z – It’s the same person logging in under a different name. He’s flattering himself so it would look like someone else supports his viewpoint….
Yo for real gmc u a bitch……U always trying to get someone to back your lying ass up……I rated this draft a c….I was dissapointed in this draft……big u know i aint no damn izell….this mother fucker always calling someone somebody else…..thats a clear deflection method…..when he get caught lying the 1st thing he does….”well you are this guy and this guy”……nobody believes this mofo with his Draft kings bullshit and his 17 kids with diffrent baby mamas……im just tired of his constant know it all attitude and he always calling for someone to get banned his lying ass needs to get banned for spouting just off the wall stupid shit….draft kings my ass
God I am so pissed…..running your god damn mouth gmc….u little bitch…..shit i been trying to be nice on here
U know whats crazy gm has called me eos and izell the same person…..which is it? I mean really its just a little bitch move…..anyway Im trying to act in love…..I apologize gmc…..I over reacted….you can believe what you want to…..I cant change your mind
Z, I know you’re not Izell, especially since you’re the only one that tries to stop us from popping shots at each other. Come on Cliff you gotta stop because it does offend those who have their own opinions.
Then I would just stop reading, and responding to it because.my opinion won’t change of your multiple profiles.
I haven’t lied about anything, but I am still waiting for you show me , and everyone on here your evidence that my kids aren’t mine……and other lies that YOU claim I’ve stated, and the evidence of that….You CAN’T because it is what it is…
I can read your post and see you’re one in the same. you all are bothered by the same things – my winning on draft kings, my SEVEN kids – all of which are none of your business – so kiss my ass on those issues.
You don’t like what I say? ….fine…Be tired of it then…I’ve been tired of you, but I’m not going to play dumb for you either….
Just because Biggy doesn’t see you as one in the same doesn’t mean that you’re not…..or that I THINK SO….and I don’t
I see your problem with my confidence as your problem …..deal with it…….OH BTW, I’m not fazed by name calling
Z dont pay him no mind…his lies are so obvious no one even cares lol.
Ill pray for him man….I do believe those strokes has caused him serious damage…..I hope he gets better
He was lying incessantly before they happened….if they happened….
par-tay at GMCliff ‘s second home in Charlotte week 7 Sunday night 8:30pm.
all invited partay partay partay all weekend. Right on the Golf course.
I don;t get the timing of the firings…right after the draft. So These guys did all the legwork. Set up all the evals that the Eagles used to make the picks.
Did Kelly and Maronovitz actually use their reports? Listen to their advice?
Or not? The firings make you think “not”.
Did Kelly completely ignore those guys the last couple months…….Were they being sent on silly useless scouting missions….
“Ummm, ya, go check out that…ummmm….DE at Alcorn state…”
“What DE at Alcorn state?”
“You know, that guy…up and comer…go check him out. Interviews and the whole shebang….take all the time you need…..”
Vinnie its pretty much common place for scouting departments to reshuffle after the draft.
Scouts Grunt Work and most Reports are done by January…
You keep the Scouts around for the work has mostly been done and you don’t want terminated Employs blabbing about your Teams Strategy until after the Draft … Very Common Practice and no Real Surprise with Ed Marynowitz and Chip now running the Player Personnel Side of things so they will get their people in Place which was impossible to do this past January after the shake-up…
Dead on Paulman. Its actually going on all over the league today.
Kelly is DeNiro in Goodfellas….
“Nah just over there…just over there…around the corner….go check out the QB at Gonzaga….just around the corner there….just keep going a little more….”
LMAO
Point blank for me if Rowe and Agholor are key contributors and better yet starters this year this draft is a success. No needs for grades. If Agholor doesnt give Matthews type production and Rowe isnt on the field in Nickel and Dime packages etc this draft is a failure in terms of impact this year.
Last years draft was a failure in terms of first year impact. Matthews turned out to be a stud but Smith was a non existent and Huff showed flashes but nothing consistent. This year if Huff and Watkins can step up that will start to change my outlook on that draft. I expect both to fight for starters spots.
Izell I don’t like going in blind so I checked game tapes of all the Eagles picks. USC kid will be a ball player. Shepard is a better corner then Rowe who’s ability doesn’t match his production. The wildcard is Hicks if he stays healthy he’ll be a very productive starter. Now on to the UDFA’s. I have access to game videos through a contact with FSU.
BigL everyone keeps comparing Agholor to Maclin. Agholor is more Randall Cobb than Maclin. Chip will use him all over the place. With his PR abilitly I expect to see him used out of the backfield etc to get him in open space one on one with LBs and safeties.
I watched USC alot because I bet Pac 12 games. He can play.
Rowe I want to look up more.
We’ll see Aglohor moved out the Backfield on occasions too..
He’s much more versatile than Maclin and will be a real productive player in this Eagles Offense…
if Mark Sanchez is the QB everyone will want to play the slot. He can’t reach the wide outs.
Instead of running three wide it will be three narrow! Bunch of bunch plays! Cooper will see playing time as the tackle eligible…
Boykins will get flipped in the preseason for OL help IMO.
Kendricks and Mathis will be forced to either play or sit.
Mathis has overplayed his hand immensely. To the point even Drew Rosenhaus hasnt said a word.
I read this board and enjoy it…everyone chiming in and in the end it all comes down to Bradford, plain and simple…if he is healthy, has this computer mind, quick reads, right decisions, lightning fast release…all ok…then there is BF.
I think chip can flat out coach…
If Bradford has some fortune on his side and remains healthty and Bradford picks up the Offense (Which shouldn’t be an issue) than HE can definitely lead them to success and 10-11 Wins and get back to the Playoffs..
If Bradford is not 100% engaged, confident, or physically able to play, then the Eagles will struggle to finish at .500
Draft gets a C-.
They reached on the WR – didn’t take any OL – and didn’t address the defense enough in a meaningful way.
The WR wasn’t even BPA at that point.
It’s meh.
The team is no better than it was before the draft (rookie w/r can really be hit or miss so until he plays it’s hard to give him a grade) and definitely no closer to winning a playoff game let alone a super bowl.
The Redskins Draft 2 WR’s in Jamison Crowder of Duke and Evan Spencer of Ohio State to go along with 2nd Year WR Ryan Grant who they Drafted last
Season… Crowder is a Slot WR
Either Current WR Andre Roberts or D-Jax are gone from the Redskins
by Camp Time …
I think DJax’s money is guaranteed — Pierre Garcon is in trouble.
it looks like the Redskins finally solved the RT position Tyler Polumbus with the #5 overall pick Brandon Scherff.
Goodbye andre roberts and pierre garcon…..andre had way,too many drops and garcin makes too much money
They keep Roberts get rid of Garçon.
Roberts is a goner for sure
I believe they approach Garcon about Salary Cut, if he refuses he’s gone
if he takes one, then maybe D-Jax goes on the trading block
Whats D-Jax’s Contract call for in Washington, Salary & Bonus $$$?
DJax gets his money either way and is going nowhere. The first two years were pretty much locked. If he acts a fool it will affect his negotiation into next year. Keeps quiet hes probably resigning in Washington. However speaking to a couple of players out here he would like to get to a team on the West Coast SF OAK SD and be closer to L.A.
Garcon is the biggest cap casualty if he doesnt restructure IMO.
Andre Roberts can play special teams and is the KR/PR. So at his salary he can be kept as a 3rd-4TH WR and primary special teams player. Gruden still likes him.
Redksins had a very nice Draft
That RB Matt JOnes of Florida is a beast at 6-2 230lbs and he and
Alferd Morris will make a solid Hard to tackle RB Tandem
Give OL Coach Bill Callahan 1-2 Years with this OL and they will be bigger, more physical and better.. Redskins finally have a real GM in house with Scott McClonagan as Bruce Allen was moved upstairs which is where Bruce Allen deserves to be
I think Redskins will surprise in 2015 and will definitely be a Team on the Rise in the NFC East as HC Gruden and New GM McClonogan get their type of Players on board
Redskins also Added the Following UDFA who will have a shot
OT – Tacoby Cofield – Duke
OT – Brey Cook – Arkansas
QB – Chris Bonner – CSU-Pueblo
TE/HB – Devin Mahina – BYU
Safety – Terry Plumber – UCF
They should have taken williams over scherrif…..they went need over bpa…..and matt jones has talent but bad knees…..in fact da skins took a couple players with injury risks but all around tough guys…..but they have a long way to go
Well the Redksins already addressed the DT Position in Free-Agency with Signings of Terrance Knighton, Stephen Pea and R Jean- Francois add to the Return of C Baker and B Cofield that they probably feel that they are ok on the Interior DL for the next couple of Years..
They had to address the OL and probably selected the Safest, Toughest and most Reliable OL in the entire Draft in Brandon Sherff and probably will have him at RT for the next 10-12 Years competing with Lane JOhnson for NFL Pro-Bowl Appearances
DT L Williams is a Good Player with a huge upside and would be hard to walk away from, but the Redskins want to get back to a grind and pound Team of the Old Glory Days and it all starts up front with a big, tough OL
I think every time a dimwit on Gcobb uses the term ‘reach’ we should all drink – it has become the new ‘Mamula’ don’t have anything of value to add to conversation ‘reach’ he ‘reached’ he is ‘reaching’ or he will ‘reach’ while ‘reaching’ he strained himself.
Draft grade is worthless – lets see if the rookies can play and discuss ‘draft grades’ in October.
Not happy about OL situation – but we shall see what comes to pass –
Anyone else read that the DE Hart has put on over 20 lbs of muscle – rumor has it he is 305 (at 6’6)
And supposedly Smith put on 20 lbs muscle too….said he was embarrassed by Tra Thomas’ comments….so he put on 20 lbs of muscle in just under 3 months…………
Eagles juicing the PED program Seattle Seahawks style!
No shame in that!
Shit im all for some cheating everyones doing it
Make that 15 lbs for MSII who at 6-4 250 lbs out of College, you can see where he had the wiry thin frame to put on 10lbs – 20lbs in a years or 2 time