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losersChip Kelly’s Offense Folds As Dolphins Deal Birds Devastating Blow

As the first quarter came to a close, it seemed as though the Eagles were well on their way to routing the lowly Miami Dolphins.

The Eagles finally managed to start a game strong, driving for two first quarter touchdowns and even picking up a safety to take a 16-3 lead.

But it was all downhill from there.

After the fast start, Chip Kelly’s offense went in the tank for the remainder of the afternoon, plagued by mistakes, penalties, turnovers, and struggles on third down.

The Dolphins would go on to score 17 unanswered points over the final three quarters, and Chip Kelly only managed to generate another field goal the rest of the afternoon.

 

Bradford Goes Down

We’ve been so focused on Sam Bradford’s erratic and maddening play throughout the regular season, that the questions of his durability had become a bit of a forgotten concern.

However, Bradford’s fragility finally came back in to play today, as he was knocked out of the game in the third quarter with a concussion and a shoulder injury. There’s no word yet on how long Bradford will be out, but his replacement Mark Sanchez also cost the team.

Sanchez moved the ball well on a couple of drives, but also killed the team with a brutal interception in the endzone. Sanchez is, and always will be, a heartbreaker. That’s his call-in card, and that’s what the Eagles can expect if he’s to see any extended action.

Kelly’s Playcalling And Coaching Remains Baffling

Chip Kelly has made some brutal in-game decisions throughout the year, and his calls cost the Eagles again on Sunday.

Late in the game, with the Eagles threatening with a red-zone possession, Kelly channeled his inner Andy Reid, and decided not to the run the ball on one of the league’s worst rushing defenses, and put the ball in the hands of turnover-prone Mark Sanchez who hadn’t seen any action since August.

Sure enough, the Sanchez found an open Miami Dolphin in the endzone, killing another scoring opportunity.

Kelly’s team also struggled on third downs throughout the day, going just 3-for-14 after the first quarter.

Why can’t this coach figure out how to get Darren Sproles involved in the passing game? Sproles has been MIA in the offense since the New York game.

And seriously, how many times is this team going to have touchdowns wiped out by illegal formations or illegal shifts? These are issues that the coach needs to be held accountable for not ironing out during the week in practice.

Dennis Kelly Gets Exposed

The Miami pass rush came to life on Sunday, and much of that had to do with their gameplan to attack right tackle Dennis Kelly.

Kelly struggled throughout the day, and his inability to hold up in protection contributed to Sam Bradford taking a pounding and getting knocked out of the game.

It goes back to Chip Kelly’s lack of depth on the offensive line. Kelly did a good job last week against Dallas, but the Dolphins had a chance to study him on film, and exploited him.

Quick Thoughts

Offense

  • Jason Kelce continues to just have a terrible season. Kelce was flagged for another holding penalty, and killed another drive by firing a ball right over Sam Bradford’s head.
  • DeMarco Murray managed just 61 yards on 22 carries. He also was responsible for a killer drop late in the game.
  • Ryan Mathews scored a touchdown, but was knocked out of the game with an injury.
  • The tight ends continue to be involved heavily in the offense, which is one of the few positives I took from this game. Brent Celek went for over 130 yards on three catches. Zach Ertz chipped in 68 yards on seven catches.
  • Meanwhile, the wide receivers continue to struggle. Jordan Matthews came back down to Earth, with just three catches for 21 yards. Nelson Agholor returned to the lineup, and had another quiet game with three grabs for 32 yards.
  • Josh Huff made a spectacular catch in endzone to put the Eagles up 7-3, but had just two catches the rest of the day.

Defense

  • The defense generated four sacks, including a safety in the first quarter.
  • Walter Thurmond picked up the sack on the safety, and also had six tackles and a forced fumble.
  • Just four tackles for Kiko Alonso, and three assists for DeMeco Ryans. Safe to say the Eagles missed the big-play ability of Jordan Hicks this week.
  • Byron Maxwell made a nice play to break up a touchdown in the endzone.

Special Teams

  • Caleb Sturgis missed an easy field goal attempt, which was the really the beginning of the momentum shifting towards the Dolphins.

Final Thoughts

A lot of disturbing things came out of the game today.

But most of all may be the team’s lack of urgency.

Once again, the Eagles came out and played a sloppy, mistake-prone game, the typical marks of a poorly coached, bad football team.

And once again, you see very little fire or desperation among the players and coaching staff.

After the game, Chip Kelly was pounding his chest about the 88 plays his offense got in today (to which Ray Didinger of Comcast Sportsnet points out, generated only 17 points of offense for the day). Players were echoing the message of “we’re still in it.”

No one in this organization seems at all bothered by the fact that they came out and choked away a critical game to mediocre football team in front of the home crowd.

While the Eagles are busy playing down to their opponents, the worst division in football continues to slip farther from their grasp.

The Eagles now find themselves in third place, with the Washington Redskins stepping up and overcoming the New Orleans Saints.

We’re halfway through November, and this team still has a sub-.500 record.

It’s time to accept that this is not a good football team, and the head coach has his fingerprints all over this disaster.

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Carguy
Carguy
November 15, 2015 6:40 pm

Jordan Hicks was the one bright spot this year. I saw him at Texas and thought he was a great pick, I also saw Agholor ar USC and thought he would light it up for us. I can only question our wide receiver coaching because it is like he has regressed not running crisp patterns and not getting open like all of our other wideouts.

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 16, 2015 2:17 am
Reply to  Carguy

“and not getting open like all of our other wideouts.”

You sure you’re talking about the eagle’s wrs? Carguy they stink. They all have trouble getting open consistently. When they do they can’t hang on to the ball.

Carguy
Carguy
November 16, 2015 8:06 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

Sorry Coldbrewski I phrased it wrong I meant he does not get open just like all of our other wrs can’t get open. They all stink and it must be coaching

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2015 9:10 am
Reply to  Carguy

Carguy, I stated after the first Dallas game in September that this WR corps was not good enough. They are not talented enough, no explosion off the line or down the field. kelly wanted receivers that can catch the ball and get YAC and he has them. The problem is that speed wise they are not out running anyone consistently and lack elusiveness. They can coach these guys up all day, if you have difficulty catching, and making plays it does not matter. That is the issue, the Eagles wr’s are not play makers.

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 3:14 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

EHL I can’t say they’re good at yac. All these clowns that disparaged Djax (our best wr, turned on Avant (great leader/sure hands), rationalized that over paying a little for Maclin was stupid (but overpaying for Cooper is just fine)……………..should place both hands around their throats and choked themselves to death

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 3:17 am
Reply to  Carguy

Agreed

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2015 7:15 pm

In the NFC, 9 other Teams have a better NFC Conference Records than the Eagles do, who are currently 3-4 versus NFC Opponents so unless they Win the NFC Least, there will be no Post-Season in 2015 and the Chip Kelly Era will will be closer to ending, which I predict will be after the 2016 Season …

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 15, 2015 7:35 pm

This Eagles team is exactly what their record says they are, average, like I have been saying. They came out like gang busters, looking sharp and crisp, then they just lost it. How does this happen? Well it’s the mark of a team that is inconsistent and just is not good. The fact that we had to go into OT last week against a Tony Romo-less team to win speaks volumes, just to follow that up with a home loss against the Dolphins who everyone expected the Eagles to beat. This team is not good enough to look past any opponent..period. This is clearly a 7-9 to 8-8 team. The offense is simply not good enough, the o line, the wr’s need upgrades, if everything is going well Bradford will be fine, but, he can not make it through a season if we do not have an elite o line, nor do I believe he is good enough to put the team on his shoulders and will it to win by carrying the offense on his shoulders as the offense is presently constructed with it’s skill players.

PETE60
PETE60
November 15, 2015 8:02 pm

The problem here is our weak feminine owner giving this fraud head coach the keys to Jeffy’s fairy tale palace,

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 15, 2015 8:52 pm

Ok. So I away all day at a Bonspeil. returned home to watch game on PVR – here are my thoughts:

1- It’s over. I don’t even think it ever began.

2 – Bradford is great as long as Celek is running wide open. Otherwise, he;s Bradfors – throwing into the dirt or behind wrs every time. Bradford sucks.

3 – Bradford beilec out of Int on “roughing” (qustionable)

4 – Bradford overthrow bailed by questionable PI

5 – After the 1st Q every single WR “spinning” for a catch

6 – Overthrow/Behind fest

7 – Sack/Fumble fest

8 – Crowd cheers when Sanchez comes in – good times – Sanchez Sucks.

9 – Patented Sanchez getting his WR gilled – Matthews leaves game after getting killed – what a surprise.

10 – Coaching sucks. Fast fast fast fast….with 5 mins left needing a FG…….SANCHEZ THROWS on FIRST DOWN?????!!!!!!?/?????

FOR FUCKS SAKES DO THE COACHES NOT KNOW HE IS SANCHEZ????!!!!

A pick – what a surprise.

Grind the fucking clock and win on the FG. fucking coaching.

11 – 2:50 to go. Mia ball on 3rd down and all crowd shots show fans sitting. No faith.

To review:
Season is over
Bradford trade was a joke
Sanchez is a joke
Murray stinks
Coaches have no idea how to handle the clock

This is all on Kelly

Koolidiot is….as always….an idiot

ANyway……

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 15, 2015 10:37 pm

It comes as no surprise that Vinniedafool is overjoyed at tough loss by the Eagles! He is filled with joy at the failure of the team…and he comes yelling and screaming a bunch of ridiculous and the stupid claims about who…you guessed it….the Quarterback!

Once again, Vinniedafool proves without a doubt that he’s not a Fan of the Eagles…he’s a Nick Foles fan chomping at the bit and overjoyed that we lost the game….so now here he comes with his downright dumb ass claims about Bradford…a litany of pure BS and hypocrisy as if it is Bradford’s fault that we lost the game today.

Vinniedafool normally relies upon ‘stats’ except when they dont a story suited to his biased agenda.

Sam Bradford was 19-25 for 236 yards and 1td no turnovers

This is a 76% pass completion rate!

He stood tall in the pocket despite being battered and beaten as the Offensive line repeatedly broke down around him.

Completing 76% of his passes with grit,heart, and determination as Miami’s defenders battered him.

How much better could Bradford had possibly played when he is completing 76% of his passes?

Meanwhile, the guy that Vinniedafool’s hero who he desperately wanted to keep, Nick Foles doing? He was being booed in St Louis missing open receivers, scared in the pocket-shaken and then finally benched after a miserable 17 for 36 an awful 47% completion rating!

The miserable performance by Jason Kelce and the offensive line has doomed the Eagles…but only a fool like Vinnie would blame the loss on Bradford

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 15, 2015 10:52 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

No one is happy shitforbrains.

No one is “overjoyed”

The only one who drops his loads over a couple of completions is you. But that;s typical of 16 yr olds.

Bradford played great for about 1/2 a Quarter…as long as Celek was running uncovered. Once Mia adjusted it was more of the behind/Over/around every WR that’s we’ve all come to know and love.

Then an injury – what a surprise – leaving Eagle fan with shitty Sanchez.

Good times.

Did you mention Foles on the Rams again????

That’s weird.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 15, 2015 9:05 pm

was in the stands so I didn’t see a replay yet ( I’ll watch the DVR tomorrow) was that 2 minute drill Bradford interception at the end of the half a gift BS call against the Dolphins? What happened, why was that not an interception?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 15, 2015 9:40 pm

Does it matter?

Bradford played great for 7 mins. Then reverted to regular Bradford. Got hurt and in comes Shitty Sanchez.

Season over.

No second round pick.

Good times

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 15, 2015 9:13 pm

figures, the next game after 8 starts Bradford gets hurt costing the Eagles a 3rd round draft pick from St Louis.

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2015 9:22 pm

Make that the Eagles 2016 2nd Round Draft Pick for Bradford after 8 Starts..

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2015 9:23 pm
Reply to  paulman

And Bradford will be back for the Final 5 Games..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 15, 2015 9:33 pm
Reply to  paulman

bradford’s coming back, yippie. A choice between Bradford and Sanchez is like a choice between George Clooney and Val Kilmer to play Batman. ( bad and worse)

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 15, 2015 9:40 pm

lol, helluva comparison.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 15, 2015 9:42 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

and for the spell checkers I know it’s hell of a.

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2015 9:24 pm

Eagles OL and QB will get killed by the Cardinals DL & Front 7

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 15, 2015 9:52 pm

Vinnie nailed his prediction if the Cowboys lose to the Eagles the entire ship is going to sink. Dez Bryant yelling at multiple journalists mid week. Then pregame Greg Hardy & Demarcus Lawrence get into an argument in front of everyone. LOL and another lose 10-6

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 15, 2015 9:58 pm

🙂

Bully/Loudmouth/Lookatme!!!! types always get their comeuppance. Often earlier than they expect. Isn’t that right Ronda Rousey?

zilents44
zilents44
November 16, 2015 2:29 am

Lol ronda got hers real good

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:17 am

Ryan Matthews..Sam Bradford ..concussed..thanks again to back ups on the O line..look no further ..no CSI philly investigation needed here ..look at the GM and the coach and his suspicious fingerprints on the play calling ..It started at the half when he had Sam throwing with seconds left on the clock (picked off ) and saved by roughing (great idea) lets get th QB killed and shift the MO…especially when we receive the second half kick..why are we targeting miles Austin on game winning drives ? Riley cooper ? Center of attention with Kelce..flags ,errant snaps ..(He’s the only starter playing in position) and this is how he performs.. Long snapper donnebros magic tricks of bad snaps on punts ,field goals ..

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 16, 2015 9:29 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Reviewing Kelly the GM:

Action: Trade for inconsistent injury prone Qb
Result: Inconsistent injured QB

Action: Re-sign terrible turnover prone backup QB
Result: Terrible turnover prone QB.

Action: Sign 500 carry injury prone RB
Result: 500 carry RB with no burst who has missed games due to injury

Action: Trade RB for LB with injury history dating back into college
Result: LB missed most of season injured

Action: Sign injury prone backup RB
Result: Backup RB injured

Action: Ignore stocking OL for 2 seasons
Result: Oline is a mess

Does that cover it?

Really its so surprising to see the results of these moves. Shocking actually. How could any of this been known beforehand????

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:47 am

Vin..ill give you all ,but ,Matthews (concussed) as a good signing at running back.To be fair ,shady has also been sidelined this season..the bottom line is that we all were skeptical with all the moving of the deck chairs ..was it all bombastic bluster ? Did he even have a cogent plan? It seemed he was knee jerking and enacting when he had gore in the fold and then signed Matthews ,and the Murray .I won’t criticize that move ..Dallas has no plan B after Romo went down..addition by subtraction…the cynics all wondered …why not put emphasis on the O line and protect the gimpy QB ,to enhance his potential to survive? I see a pedestrian O line ,where once there were pro bowlers..it’s football ..not rocket science..the protection of your family jewels …wearing a cup ..before taking the field ..

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:23 am

There is something about this coach and team that seems bewildering at home..they have self destructed ..the play calling on offense is suspect..Demarco Murray “for who for what” at the end ..what’s that say?

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 9:51 am
Reply to  deserteagle

How do the Eagles only Rush for 83 Yards on 36 Carries (2.3 Yards Per Carry) versus the 31st Ranked Defense against the Rush in the NFL which was allowing 142 Yards a Game on the Ground..
Coaching and Scheme…..

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:24 am

Peyton torn planta fasciitis …

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 9:41 am

Eagles WR Corps as a Group in Yesterday’s Game which had the Dolphins playing without their Top Cover CB (Grimes)

13 Targets Resulting in 9 Receptions by Nelson Agholor, Josh Huff & Jordan Matthews for 76 Yards (8.4 Yards Average per Reception)

The Eagles Have perhaps the Weakest WR Corp in the entire NFL..
Worse than the Titans, Panthers,Rams,Seahawks,49ers & Ravens

Brutal…

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:51 am
Reply to  paulman

Wide outs sucked ..tight ends were special..yet with all the marbles on the table we targeted miles Austin..

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 3:40 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Yup we pay Miles Austin who should be out of the league almost 2,5 mill a year and Riley cooper – a 3rd stringer on an avg team 5 mill a year- but 1 or 2 mill more for Maclin would be blasphemous. Gm Chip and his complicit kool-aid drinkers were dead on the money there.

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 3:42 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

All of you that still think Mathis and Maclin “played” themselves as you watch the oline get the qb killed yesterday and your wrs look like pop warner should just quit watching football now.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 9:49 am

I would guess that Bradford is out for sure versus the TB Bucs Game
and maybe even for the Lions Game.
The Eagles will lose to the TB Bucs either way.. Lovie Smith has them playing pretty good ball right now ..

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:59 am
Reply to  paulman

Tampa bay sucks Pman ..we suck. Who sucks more that day ..all that matters..what difference does it really make …

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 11:07 am
Reply to  deserteagle

At least the TB Bucs are building a Core Unit on Offense with a Young QB & OL and some good Young WR’s …
What is Chip Kelly Building with teh Eagles.. .Another 25-30 New Players Next Year like College Ball… We’ll compete and hipe to start playing better ball the 2nd half of the Season.. Fans can’t even relate to their Hometown Team for the Players come and go like College…
What’s Scary as the Eagles will soon approach Year #4 of Chip Kelly ERA and are no closer or better and still don’t have not their long-term QB Position figured out …
Having Tebow in all Summer was a complete waste and a detriment to the Offense and the Receivers who had to try to catch his crap passes ..
How do you develop and Coach up NFL Talent along the OL and Receivers Positions with no QB?

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:54 am

Wi

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 16, 2015 10:10 am

Hmm…

With the exceptions of the AFC South and NFC East the division winners are pretty much set slightly halfway through the NFL season.

I think I’m just going to enjoy watching NFC East football to see who ends up on top of the dung heap.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 11:00 am
Reply to  tsjohnson5

NFC Conference Playoffs look like this…

NFC East – Redskins Win (Giants have a more difficult Schedule)
NFC North – Packers and Vikings (1 will be in as the Wild Card)
NFC South – Panthers
NFC West – Arizona

The Last NFC Playoff Spot comes from the Following 8 Teams
Falcons – 6-3 (Have a Tough Schedule)
Giants – 5-5 (Have a Tough Schedule)
Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, Bears, TB Bucs are all 4-5
Saints are 4-6

The only Team I could see getting hot would be the Seahawks but I just don’t see it from Russell Wilson, Marshawn Lynch and Co this Year so it could be anyone of these Underperforming eams ..

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 11:10 am
Reply to  paulman

Washington beating the Aints…doesn’t mean a damn thing …we have to understand as bad as this pile of steamy garbage is …we still have the ability to control everything ..playing wash..and ny in our path towards a playoff berth..I’m not throwing the year away ,based upon this NFC …

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 16, 2015 11:14 am
Reply to  paulman

Redskins beating the Saints doesn’t mean anything.

Giants are still in the best position to take the division, but it is anyone’s show.

NFC North is the only other NFC division that offers *some* intrigue. However if the Packers drop another one and the Vikings win another one, it’s pretty much a wrap.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 10:33 am

DesertEagle ..
You know whats worse than this 2015 Eagles Team is what the Kelly Plan will be for the 2016 Team on Offense.. Who is the QB? Bradford ? Sanchez is under Contract thru the 2016 Season she he will be back, but Bradford probably not… The OL needs Youth and Strength
Who Plays at WR as Cooper,Austin, Aijurutu are probably goners?

We as Fans will likely have to wait another 1/2 of a Season next Year to find out what the 2016 Offense is going to be like just like we had to wait and see about this Year;s Team..

I am about done with Chip Kelly to be 100% Honest.. I didn’t like the Hire to begin with but gave him a chance (2 + Years) to prove to me that he’s a worthy NFL Coach and GM .. Now he is pissing me off as a Fan for its apparent he is in over his head in terms of Roster Management/Talent Evaluations and Drafting and he’s Coaching I thought has been overrated from the get go, Take his Up-Tempo Out which caught many Teams that first Season unprepared and out of shape to handle, but now is more common place and Teams Defense’s know how to prepare for it much better..

His “Horizontal Approach” to attacking Defenses is not what I want to see and has not proven effective against NFL Defense..

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 10:54 am
Reply to  paulman

The shame of it all or sham ,is that they improved themselves on the weakened side of the ball ,addressing there defensive shortcomings,this past off-season.The GM moves on the offensive side were alleged to be ,”his type of players”.. This is where the 600 pound elephant resides ..what was he thinking? What was his plan? If sports at the pro level is a quantitative measure,what we are facing to break even based upon consecutive 10-6 seasons is a need to close 6-1 …who in there right minds see that happening?

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
November 16, 2015 10:56 am

This team is soft – no heart! No leader on offense at all! There’s no one to follow, no one to lead the way! Coaching continues to be horrid! Just another poorly coached and played game on offense.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 11:11 am

Pman alias chimp. What’s your odds making on the NFC least ?

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 12:32 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Final Stretch of Games for teh NFC East

Giants (5-5) have a Bye this Week then finish with the Following
At Redskins, Home vs Jets, At the Dolphins, Home vs Panthers, At the Vikings and Home vs the Eagles
(Giants finish 3-3 and with an 8-8 Overall Record)

Redskins (4-5) finish with the Following
At Carolina, Host NY Giants, Host Cowboys, At the Bears, Host Buffalo,
At the Eagles and Finish at the Cowboys…
(Is Romo even going to play in these Cowboy Games as they will be eliminated already?)
I rather Visit and Play the Bears then Play at the Vikings like the Giants have too… I also rather Host Buffalo then PLay the Jets at their Home FIeld like the Giants do
(Redskins finish 5-2 and Win the NFC East with an Overall Record of 9-7

Eagles (4-5)
Host TB Bucs, then at Lions Thanksgiving (which the Lions always plays hard), At Patriots, Host Bills (McCoys Homecoming) Host Cardinals (wants Revenge and Home Field for Playoffs), Host Redskins (QB Cousins Plays like a HOF vs Eagles and D-Jax making a splash to finish the eliminate the Eagles again like last Year) thne Finish at NY Giants
(Eagles Finish 3-4 with an Overall Record of 7-9 for the Season for 3rd Place)

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 16, 2015 2:01 pm
Reply to  paulman

In what world are the Redskins gonna finish 5-2?

That’s not happening.

3-4 is a better scenario.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 2:21 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Redskins Sweep the Cowboys with no Tony Romo Playing as the Cowboys will be eliminated by then..
Redskins Beat Eagles because Cousins and D-Jax are better than what the Eagles have
Redskins Beat Bears & the Bills who stink on the Road for their 5 Wins..

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 11:15 am

You do know Pman you’re picking Washington (a game behind) -really? Let’s look under there hood..they play Carolina at there house..the Giants home..at bears..bills Eagles Cowboys

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 3:24 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Don’t say anything. He will just pretend he didn’t make that prediction when the skins fail to take the division.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 16, 2015 11:16 am

Who else can see Cooper getting signed by the Patriots next year for 2 years 4.5 mil, then lighting it up with 85 for 1200 and 13tds.

Its a lock.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 11:20 am

He’ll return to Florida …and to be honest ..good riddance. On cooper ..he should have been gone years ago..

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 16, 2015 2:57 pm

Vinnie I absolutely agree with that

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 3:28 am
Reply to  haveacigar

The Patriots have arguably the best qb of his generation. They have a track record of getting the most out of marginally talented receivers who can’t do shyt elsewhere. Cooper could very well be their jabar Gaffney. So what.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 11:18 am

The Eagles suck I’m not being deluded into believing otherwise ..but the skins are not winning this division…the giant /eagle finale ..will be for the prize of shame .selfishly I sell a playoff game and make $$ and in this NFL …you never know ?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 16, 2015 12:09 pm

Y Skins stink, they just got to beat up against the completely inept Saints D.

With the Panthers @Vikes @Mia and Jets still on the sched, the Giants are going to head into the final week at 8-7 at best. Probably 7-8

With TB, Det, and the Skins….the Eagles should be able to scrape together 3 more wins heading into that “winner take all” final matchup….shouldn’t they?

The question is….do we want that?

I don’t. I don’t want them to win again.

I am loath to watch the next couple weeks with Shitty Sanchez at the helm doing the 2 things he does best:

1 – Throw high floaters to his WRs in order for them to be righteously flattened.
2 – Follow those kill shots with patented turnovers a most inopportune times.

That for a couple weeks before the return of the soon to be leaving in free agency (thank goodness) pencil at QB.

I want no part of that shit, or scratching and clawing to a solid 7-9.

I want to enter the draft with a top 6 pick. I want also to have 2 top picks at the beginning of the 3rd (their own and Detroits). Of course this plan would have been much more enticing with another pick at the top of the 2nd, but Kelly, in his infinite wisdom decided to trade that for the pencil at QB.

But beggars can’t be choosers can they?

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
November 16, 2015 12:26 pm

Getting into the Playoffs is all that matters. Think about teams that were getting killed by their fan bases at this point in the season, turned it around, made a run and then even carried it over to the next year. Just last year the Panthers were the laughing stock of the NFC south. Everyone thought Cam was a true bust and Rivera didn’t know how to coach. Not only did they win the division, the won a Playoff game and then carried it over to a perfect 2015 (to date).

Yesterday’s loss as bad and gave the typical doom and gloomers/hate Kelly/team sucks/life sucks crowd all the ammo they need to get through another week. But the bottom line is they played a terrible game. Resting Peters one extra week killed us. If he Played and the line was normal they would have been fine yesterday. Anyone that watched saw that the line completely impoded in the second quarter and Dennis Kelly got exposed.

Peters will be back next week. Sanchez can beat Tampa and Detroit just like he beat Carolina and Dallas last year (at almost the exact same time of year ironically). Receivers suck, no getting around that. But they are good enough to win three of the next five. Bradford comes back and hopefully continues to improve as he has been looking better and better each week (aside from getting crushed yesterday when his line was leaky)

Then just win the last two of the season and see what happens. Of all the “winnable” games to loose in this stretch yesterday was the one to loose. AFC opponent on the same day that Giants loose.

The standard negative crowd will respond by saying “for who, for what”. What does making the playoffs matter, this team sucks bla bla bla. All that matters is getting in the playoffs then you see what happens.

As far as bashing Chip the GM, are you all forgetting that he completely remade the Defense to become a top 10 unit? He admitted that he was allocating more resources to that side of the ball this year. This offseason he will address the line and give Aghelor another season to grow. Who knows what this team will look like next year.

But who am I to tell you otherwise. Carry on with your miserable lives.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 12:36 pm

Eagles Defense is Ranked #18 in the NFL out of 32 Teams..
A nice Improvement from the last few Years but still not close to a Top 10
Carry On and have some more Kelly-Kool-Aid…

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
November 16, 2015 12:53 pm
Reply to  paulman

Actually, they are at 9 on NFL.com. But regardless, with our pace of play the “total defense” stat is worthless and you know it.

Take aways – 1
Yards per drive – 10
Points per drive – 8
DSR – 8

Those are the defensive stats that matter. But what do you can, aren’t you a Carolina fan?

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 12:58 pm

The Eagles Defense is 10th Overall in Points Allowed, so I will give you that..
and Yes their Overall Record should be better than their Current 4-5 Record but thanks to Chip Kelly and his lame Offense, its not which at the end of the day is all that matters, this Team is worse than the last 2 Years Teams…

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 3:31 am

Don’t hold your breath waiting for a response. He was nick named the Boone, NC Chimp for a reason. The evidence is all that Chimp shyt plastered on the community wall.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 7:38 pm

Very good points Canttakeitanymore, we still have a shot, still have a chance…this is one of those years where everyone in the division stinks, can we eke out a few more wins and win the division? We are right in the hunt. If we can somehow get Peters back, get Bradford back….there is still a very good chance for us to make it!

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 12:54 pm

What’s Chip Kelly’s Off-Season Game Plan for the QB Position for 2016?

1) Resign and Overpay for Sam Bradford (Who I think Bolts for the Broncos on the 1st day of Free-Agency and wants out of Philly real bad)

2) Let Bradford walk and play Sanchez as the Starter who Chip signed to a $5 Million Salary thru the 2016 Season

3) Make a Trade for RG3 and Give up more Future Assets ?

4) Draft a QB in the 1st Round and Hope that Player can be ready by 2017?

5) Quit the Eagles as GM/Coach and let someone else figure it out like GCobb Posters…

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
November 16, 2015 1:11 pm
Reply to  paulman

I agree with everyone that the QB position is the biggest question mark of all with this team, as is the case with over 50% of the NFL. But I don’t fault Kelly for that situation.

Should he have picked Derek Carr or Teddy in 2014 draft? Probably, but Foles just had a historic 2013. If he spent a high pick when it already looked like we had a QB, people would have killed him for that also.

This year, he took a chance that Bradford would be the second coming of Brees because it was apparent that Nick had his limitations (which are continuing in STL). To date, that doesn’t look like it is the case. However, Bradford has improved and played solid in Caroline, Good in Dallas, and was playing well in Miami before the line imploded.

I think first and foremost you NEED to see what Bradford has after he returns from injury. That is the most important part of the season. If he improves pay him and let the chips fall where they may.

If not, maybe make a run a Kap. The position is a problem, but I don’t put that on Kelly like most of you.

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
November 16, 2015 1:39 pm

I’ve said it time and time again (not on Gcobb but to friends), 27-2 was the worse possible thing that could have happened to Kelly’s NFL tenure with the Eagles. It gave us 10 wins when we should have finished more in the 5-7 range. It gave us too low of a draft pick to get ODB (the guy Kelly wanted). It gave false pretenses that we had a franchise QB in foles when we didn’t. And it drove expectations for Kelly way up.

Think about it, if 27-2 never happened, you may be looking at a team with Derek Carr as your QB and ODB as your number 1 wide out. Then with this defense the base would be set for years to come.

It was fun while it was going on, but man are we paying for it now.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 16, 2015 1:58 pm

Foles problems were obvious even during the 27/2 season.

Eagles should have definitely drafted Bridgewater or Carr that year or Hundley or the Auburn cat this year. It was dumb not to. Everyone but Bridgewater could have been had in the lower rounds, so it wouldn’t have cost much.

It’s all frustrating.

On another note..please PLEASE let the Skins be stupid enough to extend Kirk. If Ealges can get their sh*t together the Skins will be easy pickings for even more years to come.

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
November 16, 2015 2:28 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

Agreed, but 27-2, at a minimum, showed potential that he could have been the franchise QB with more development, despite the issues that he was showing during that stretch.

Mac Dolo
Mac Dolo
November 16, 2015 8:39 pm
Reply to  tsjohnson5

The only team that the Redskins have been easy pickings for have been the New York Giants. Where are you getting these easy pickings deal from, the Eagles play like complete, and absolute shit against the Redskins. When they beat the Redskins they barely do it, and when they lose to the Redskins they find ways to do it.

tsjohnson5
tsjohnson5
November 16, 2015 9:41 pm
Reply to  Mac Dolo

Notice I said “if we get our shit together” and Cousins makes that a lot easier win should we have our “shit together.”

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 2:27 pm

I said in Year #1 that Chip Kelly’s Biggest Problem was making the Playoffs in his First Year giving the Fans,the Organization, the Media the false hope that they were simply a few pieces away, meaning that in Year #2 Chip Kelly was really stuck with the status quo and really could not blow up the Roster like he wanted too and which is what he finally did in Year #3 …
Now with almost 20-25 new Players on a 53 Man Roster, 2015 has become a learning Season… I said this last early Off-Season and I stand by it in November , You cannot have 10-11 New Starters on both sides of the Ball including a New QB/RB/Receivers and Secondary expect to play as a well-oiled machine.. It just doesn’t happen at the NFL Level..

Gotta Luv It
Gotta Luv It
November 16, 2015 5:02 pm
Reply to  paulman

This is funny..

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 16, 2015 1:54 pm
Reply to  paulman

He will re-sign Bradford to a short contract for a lot of money. He really has little choice.

From everything Kelly says he thinks Sam is steadily progressing and improving. He made the comment that “it’s like a book that everyone else has been in from the start, and Sam just got in” In other words – It’s going to take Sam some time to fully learn the system.

I guess we just have to wait and see if he is right.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 16, 2015 3:22 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

I can’t go another year with Bradford at QB. The man is a pencil. It looks like he’s never once seen the inside of the Novocare gym. Forget pencil, he’s a freekin’ toothpick who will never finish a season.

Absolutely no point in rolling out a guy that’s going to play 7.5 games every year. I don’t care how many times he plashes his “potential”

And wasn’t it there for another 7 or 8 mins yesterday. Hitting those wide open TEs. Sooo great. But then back to the tried and true throwing behind, spinning guys around, bouncing a few off the turf that we’ve all come to know and hate. Can’t be resigned. Just a complete waste.

But can’t enter next year with Sanchez either. He’s worse.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 16, 2015 3:46 pm

We are in QB hell. If not Bradford it will be some retread , ponder type or worse yet the remaking of krap or rg me

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 3:49 pm

QB’s on the Move in 2016

1) Sam Bradford Signs a 3 Year Deal with Broncos with a Team Friendly Deal
as Peyton Manning Retires
2) Redskins Trade QB RG3 to the Houston Texans straight up for for FOrmer #1 Pick and Bust DE Jadeveon Clowney (anyone remember when I said this guy was a loser and to stay away at all cost)
3) Drew Brees works out a Deal from the Saints who Trade him to the Cleveland Browns for Johnny Football and Draft Picks
4) Geno Smith accepts an Invite to Eagles Camp by Chip Kelly
5) Jay Cutler reworks a new Deal to remain in Chicago as he’s actually had a pretty good Season for them
6) Eagles Send DE Vinny Curry & LB Michael Kendricks to the 49ers for QB Kapernick..

Eagles Go into next Summer Camp with QB C Kaepernick, Mark Sanchez & Geno Smith…

2016 Season will be the Final Season for Chip Kelly as the Philadelphia Eagles HC & GM and he works out a release of his Contract with Owner
Jeff Lurie to pursue greener pastures in the College Game

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 16, 2015 3:52 pm
Reply to  paulman

Cleveland & Dallas both reach & draft QBs in the top 5 picks.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 4:08 pm

Cowboys will Select RB Leonard Fournette of LSU, with there Top Pick and I wouldn’t be surprises to see Johnny Football make his way to Big D and sit behind Romo for the next 2 Years.. ..

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 16, 2015 4:00 pm

I know, it’s hard to watch, but if I had to guess I’d say Kelly will re-sign Bradford. I don’t like it.. but what else is there?

Bradford is a low energy guy running a hi-speed offense. You could feel the energy level go up when Sanchez came into the game. He runs the offense so much better than Bradford – It’s just too bad he is so careless with the ball.
In all honesty, both Foles and Sanchez ran the offense better than Bradford.

Hopefully something will change and Bradford will get accustom to the speed and the playbook. And maybe he’ll stop favoring his one leg. Those bad throws he makes are because he doesn’t get a good weight shift when he throws sometimes. If there’s any traffic around him he throws off his back foot… He really watches out for those legs… Sometimes he looks like Bill Bergey did when he came back from knee surgery.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 2:32 pm

Chip Kelly has Announced that GMCliff, DCar & Jon Hart will now handle all
Player Personnel Issues for the Philadelphia Eagles..
Coach Kelly states that he will simply Coach the Players he is given..
Owner Jeff Lurie has Signed off on this…
Howie Roseman and his belongings were seen being moved back into the Big Corner Office..
Stay Tuned, NovaCare to be an exciting place of activity over these next 6-8 Weeks

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 16, 2015 3:34 pm

over his head,
painfully obvious the Chipper & Ed Marynowitz are rookies. The results speak for themselves.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 4:02 pm

Paulman’s 2016 Eagles Mock Draft (Version #2)

Rd 1 – OT Taylor Decker (Ohio State – 6-6″ & 315lbs)
Rd 3 – Center/Guard Nick Martin (Notre Dame – 6-3″ & 305lbs)
Rd 3 – CB/Safety Cordrea Tankersly (Clemson 6-1″ & 195lbs)
Rd 4 – WR Jordan Williams (Ball State 6-2″ & 225lbs)

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 4:17 pm

NFL News

Saints have reportedly Fired DC Rob Ryan per Sources

Patriots WR Julian Edelman has SUrgery today on Broken Arm and expected to miss 4-6 Weeks

Broncos Name QB Brock Osweiler the Starter next Week versus the Surging Bears as Payton Manning tries to get healthy with Foot Injury

NY Giants WR Victor Cruz to have Season-Ending Surgery on that Calf that’s been bothering him for the last 18 Months

GB Packers are 0-3 since Mike Dikta donned a Packer Sweater in a TV Commercial

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 4:26 pm

More NFL News

Cowboys Announce that QB Tony Romo will get the Start versus the Dolphins next Week as they must Run the Table to have any chance for the Post-Season, even in the crappy NFC East
Jerry Jones, when Asked if Romo would Play if and once the Cowboys are eliminated from Playoff Contention.. “Let’s cross that Bridge, when we get there”…

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 5:06 pm

GMCliff’s Free-Agent Prize of a Couple of Years ago. DT Terrance Cody, formerly of the Ravens, was Convicted on 5 Counts of Animal Cruelty.. I recall GMCliff wanting the Eagles to Pursue Cody who many thought was an under-achiever as well as bad news…

BigE
BigE
November 16, 2015 5:20 pm

Jeffrey Lourie and Howie Roseman should be playing fantasy football and Chip Kelly should be back in college. coaching. They are all clowns who talk a good game but deliver puke provoking results.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 6:47 pm

***More NFL News***
Rams HC Jeff Fisher announces that QB Casey Keenum will Start this Weeks Game as Nick Foles has been Benched for Poor Play
I expect to see Koolbreeze to show up shortly after being quiet all day with the Eagles loss..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 16, 2015 7:16 pm
Reply to  paulman

Ex Rams HC Steve Spagnuolo didn’t have a QB coach on his coaching staff.
Jeff Fisher hired a QB coach and that person was Frank Cignetti. Then Jeff Fisher terminated his Offensive Coordinator Brian Schottenheimer during the off season and promoted that QB Coach Frank Cignetti to be offensive Coordiantor. Chris Weinke was hired to be the new QB coach. A lot of QBs coming and going ( Bradford, Kellen Clemons, Sean Hill, Austin Davis, Nick Foles ) and a lot of these experts staying ( Jeff Fisher, GM Les Snead, Frank Cignetti) How many more scapegoats get served up before Jeff Fisher and Les Snead are held responsible just like Steve Spagnuolo and GM Billy Devaney were?

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 7:15 pm

Nick Foles ..was atrocious and the press was making him the scapegoat ,deservedly so ..but this team was built around rushing the ball and defense ..now that both Sam and he are watching games ..I’ll assume the “who holds the clipboard better debate will heat up..”

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 8:07 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Stop it right there Deserteagle…that bullshit will not work at all! I’m not having it! There is absolutely no arguments at all…Everything that I and others have said about Nick Foles has now been confirmed.
Nick Foles is finished…done! Vinnydafoolass is in tears now…crying and sobbing uncontrollably over the news that his man crush has been proven beyond any doubt now to be an undeniable bust!
Foles has not been benched due to injury….he has been benched for dismal play and Fisher now realizes what Chip Kelly knew and recognized….Nick Foles is NOT a starting, franchise QB.
We would have been doomed if we followed Vinniedafool’s desires and given Foles a long term contract…once again…we made the best move available for us…getting rid of Foles…and this is now absolutely proven…Kelly was right on this call!

There is absolutely no Bradford-Foles arguments anymore its proven.
Bradford played significantly better…when he is healthy again probably will miss a week…he is the starter no question about it.
Foles will hold a clipboard completely healthy…he after so many opportunities and chances has been benched for wretched, stank play that Chip Kelly saw coming.
Foles is officially a bust. He’s not a franchise QB and getting rid of him was absolutely the right play….Jeff Fisher and the Rams confirmed that for us today!

Bash Kelly all you want…he recognized that we had to make a move at QB and that Foles was not the guy going forward…he wanted Mariota…no way to get him…so he got the best QB that was available…Sam Bradford
Where Chip Kelly has to take the heat is for the offensive line…we dont have enough depth there at all. Injuries with Gardner and especially of course, Jason Peters, has hurt tremendously…it hurt us yesterday as Kelce was overwhelmed by Suh, and Dennis Kelly was dominated and got Sam hurt…no quarterback can play behind a line getting their asses beat to death and dominated like that…

That’s on Kelly and he has to fix it…you cant ask any QB to play behind a line like that
But the Quarterback issue is clearly settled for all of us to see. I predicted that Foles would eventually be benched in St Louis, I told you that the stank play we saw last year from Foles was the real Foles and he proved that I was right and Vinniedafool and others were dead wrong!

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 8:13 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

I agreed with you ..Foles was deservedly benched ..you’re suffering from blind ambition..

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 7:24 pm

People here in Arizona that are in the cards organization were discussing the man crush that chip has with trying to get kapernick this offseason ..unlike Sam or Nick Foles ,he’s actually won some games ..he is persona non gratis where he is and he can run the RO offense .i know many here think he sucks ..curious if it’s a likelihood?

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 16, 2015 7:52 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Foles won some games… But yes he has been horrible. As many in here stated, Fisher kills QB’s… With this defense a Foles, shady and maclin led offense would have the East about clinched by now…

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 8:42 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Stop it haveablunt! Its time to stop. The argument is done and there are no mitigating circumstances here for Nick Foles…he’s shot…he cant play. Fisher gave him the job right away from training camp, he had a full camp, no injury issues, he gave him a dynamic running game and decent wide receivers…
Foles had the same problems that he had here last year…missing open receivers, unable to read the field, confused, mentally slow and unable to process in a QB friendly system…he regressed so badly…Chip Kelly could not wait to get rid of him.
He was given every opportunity with the Rams to be successful-Fisher wanted Foles to succeed, he had the full support…Foles simply is not good enough…and Chip Kelly knew it!

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 9:32 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

You keep assailing chip knew Nick was garbage ..really …question in your opinion..please ..how’s chip been as an offensive guru this season? And his basic talent evaluation ? And his plan at 4-5 ,how’s that doing without Nick Foles ? Different systems and different teams can’t be compared at the pro level.yet you keep riding that pony..nobody cares if Nick Foles is benched but you …and to be honest I think it’s confirmation of Nick regressing ,his offensive line spinning to earth ,and a coach that killed more Qbs than Butkus..let it be that it’s not affirmation of anything in a Sam vs Nick 3rd grade argument.theyre in a different systems and being coached by different coaches and Sam hasn’t done anything here to be given a free pass (he had a 16-3 lead at home into the third quarter and admittedly had less protection than an adolescent after his first kiss ,but he did fumble the ball .he ran a very effective first quarter ,following a good effort on Monday night ,he payed one good quarter vs Atlanta ..Foles beat the cards in there building with a gorgeous fade ..they both had atrocious coaching in my opinion Nick and Sam ,and offensive lines that were a crap shoot ..at least the Rams drafted the position of admitted need.So let’s be fair minded ,wish both guys a comeback and move the fuck on ..

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 11:02 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

deserteagle, once again you are going over the top making illogical arguments. The Eagles are 4-5 not because of Quarterback play. Being an ‘offensive guru’ doesn’t mean you are right all of the time and cant make any mistakes. With the comfortable benefit of hindsight, I can sit here and say yes…Kelly should have put more emphasis on the Offensive Line, even though I really need to know more about his evaluations on Andrew Gardner, Matt Tobin, and Alan Barbe in comparison to what was available to them in the past two drafts and free agency.
Losing Jason Peters, an All-Pro, hurts bad, and against Dallas the Oline performed a lot better…yet against Miami…they really struggled with Suh on the inside.
However, when it comes to the available decisions at the Quarterback spot, Chip Kelly has been right. Sanchez is a back up, Foles was a back up-he’s not nor will he ever be a franchise QB! Kelly had seen Foles for two full seasons, knew him in college, saw him in training camps, practices, games, and in a QB competition with Vick, saw him at his best and worst…
He’s not good enough and Kelly knew it and now Jeff Fisher knows it! So he benched the guy to the joy of everyone in St Louis-Players and Fans!

Spare me with the different ‘systems’ and that bull…He had a full training camp to learn the Rams system, just like he knew the Eagles system fully last year. He had the benefit of some dynamic playmakers with the Eagles and the Rams. He didn’t just struggle a little bit …he was stunk…he was terrible! Foles had the exact same problems in the Rams system that he had in the Eagles system…missing open receivers, poor throws, being slow…mentally…which was a bigger problem than him being physically slow.
Nick Foles was okay when there was no expectations on him and he went on a brief run…but when the expectations came on him, and defensive coordinators started to figure him out…Nick Foles folded under the pressure. Just like when he had to compete for the job with Vick…he folded under the pressure then…and now despite all that Jeff Fisher did all that he could to make him comfortable, ran some hurry up offense, tried different things, in addition to giving him the comfort of a secured,13 million iin guarantees on his contract. How much more support can a team give a Quarterback? Nick Foles simply folded under the pressure of being the starter…Why?
He’s not a franchise Quarterback…he is at best a back up!

We can bash Chip Kelly for some errors…but not about the Quarterback! He knew that Foles was not the guy for the job.
So Kelly rolled the dice…he got rid of a guy he knew couldn’t do the job, kept Sanchez as a back up and rolled the dice with Bradford…and no one including you deserteagle can provide any credible alternatives that Kelly had for the Quarterback position…Bradford was the best available to the Eagles and the best gamble to take for us to get better at that position!

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 4:01 am
Reply to  haveacigar

You guys are a joke. You whine constantly about Kool and Songs dogging Foles, when you all do the same with Bradford and Sanchez. If I’m starting a team right now, there is no way in hell I’m taking anyone on the eagles side of the ball over the rams. Except with one glaring exception. I’m still going with Bradford. He is clearly better than Foles (and that ain’t saying much). Foles has a better supporting cast, he’s been the worst player on offense. Period!!

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 17, 2015 7:11 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

Coldbrewski, I’m surprised, I didn’t know Foles was in you head the way he is in koolbreez’s

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 18, 2015 2:53 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish you see what you want because you have a bias when it comes to certain qbs. Unlike you, I’ve got a record of supporting this team’s starting qbs no matter who it is. I’m on record supporting Foles even when he wasn’t playing well. I’m also on record stating Bradford hasn’t played well. Unlike you, I can objectively look at both qbs and state based on stats and eye test that Bradford is a better qb.
Now would I have made the same deal Chip made? No. Because though Bradford was the better qb, his body of work coupled with the knowledge that the Rams wanted to jettison him anyway, screamed leverage eagles. Simply put, Foles has done absolutely nothing to warrant any praise vs any qb on our team.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 18, 2015 5:05 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

I have a bias? I’m not the one spending my time talking about a quarterback that plays for the Rams. Let it go, he’s gone.

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 18, 2015 11:05 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

You’ve been on the qb thing as much as anyone. Stop lying. Follow your own advice and back the qb of your team.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 7:33 pm

Kapernick they said is on a 2 million dollar salary next year ..I looked it up and confirmed according to mike floro of football talk.com he’s making that if he’s not named first or second team all pro or if the miners don’t play in the super of..more fuel to that fire ..

zilents44
zilents44
November 16, 2015 7:35 pm

Foles benched jeff fisher does it again, foles made itbsuper easy

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 4:05 am
Reply to  zilents44

Fisher’s oline, rb and yes recievers are all better than what we have. Foles only has to manage the game and can’t do that. That Fisher killing qbs is just bullsyt folks are floating to absolve Foles of any responsibility. Good thing the Rams snookered our idiot GM out of a 2nd rounder. Now they have extra ammo to package to go get their qb.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 18, 2015 8:06 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

Is this ridiculous rant about the Ram’s benched quarterback what you consider supporting the Eagles quarterback?

It puzzles me how you and koolbreeze seem to think that Foles’ poor play justifies Bradford’s mediocre play.

Bradford is better than Foles… So what?

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 19, 2015 1:14 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Quit moving the goalpost Irish. Now you’re trying to say Kool and I are the same. Your lame idea of a shame tactic? Again, try to keep up, I’m on record supporting Foles when kool and Songs were not. So stop making shyt up. Where Kool and I agree is in Bradford being the better qb. Plenty of anti-Bradford people were touting Foles play for the fleeting second where it appeared he was outplaying our qb. But since he’s looked like hot shyt all season, now the same people don’t want him referenced. Please. You were one of them.
If it’s ok for Vinnie, Fraudman, you, and hac to flap your lips about Foles and other qbs, then it’s fair game for Kool. The only difference I see is he’s been mostly right.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 19, 2015 7:28 am
Reply to  coldbrewski

I’ve said all along – I supported Foles when he was here and I support Bradford and Sanchez now… My problem with both you and koolbreeze is that you use Foles as a measuring stick for Bradford.

Foles sucks… so what? How does that help the 4-5 Eagles with their microcode quarterback.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 7:35 pm

Kap ranks 22nd and the de escalator clause is kicking in ,as the miners were eliminated from the supe..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 16, 2015 8:17 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Does Kaepernick really have a de-escalator clause ? If so was his agent Master P?

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 8:50 pm

Yes..I checked it out. ..here’s what I read .its interesting ..7 years $126 million is the banner,however when reading the configured deal it’s broken down as follows.after leading the 49ers to two NFC championship games and one super bowl ,kapernick signed for 7 and 126..he received a 12.3 signing bonus. And 2014 salary was 645k.he was due 12.4 million this year ,however as written based upon his poor performance he was to receive $10.4 million .as mentioned if he isn’t n the Super Bowl or named 1st or 2nd all pro after 80% of the snaps he’d be due $2 million.That makes apocalyptic his benching..he may be a winner who missed on being in a shit storm with his coach and the organization..he’s raised the bar to prove his true value,thus the motivation.Im intrigued reading this contract ,he’s a no brainier ..

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 8:16 pm

Oh and Foles will be cut by the Rams…as well: “The benching obviously calls into question Foles’ future with St. Louis, as the team would have only a $3.75 million cap hit next year if they released him.” Eliot Shor-Parks-Nj.com
So now we can close the book on the Quarterback arguments…it has been proven objectively…Kelly was right to dump Nick Foles and he took a shot with the best QB available…Bradford who we saw was playing at a higher level as the season went on with less talent and poor offensive line play.
Sam will probably miss a week be back for the Detroit game and if somehow we can straighten out our offensive line and run the ball…we will still have a shot.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 16, 2015 8:53 pm

Kool the guys laundry hasn’t hung in his locker as a back up and already you’re throwing him to the curb.Ever hear of an injury ,and needing a humbled benched Nick Foles ? Why cut bait and throw that bait ,overboard..think …then speak ..

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 11:37 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

When you bring a guy in as a Franchise QB, give him the keys to the franchise, the support as a starter, dont even let him compete for the job in training camp…just hand it over to him to support him….and he fails as miserably as Foles did…he is really no good as a back up…
Foles is shot, his confidence is gone…he has been humiliated and benched…they got Casey Keenum who only has to be a little better than the putrid play that Foles gave them…and they got a rookie they are developing with Sean Mannion…no need to keep a shot, humiliated Nick Foles around….

jakedog
jakedog
November 16, 2015 9:47 pm

I have been one of foles biggest supporters,

But kool is correct

There are only so many chances you get to prove yourself as a qb in the nfl

Regardless Of His 13 season. Foles has been unproductive and it validates the Bradford trade. Foles stinks. He stinks bad.

Any other way of looking at is revisionist history

Give kelly balls and insight to see this before we did

Bradford was nor great but the gamble was worth it as kool said

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 11:07 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Thank you jakedog…I appreciate you stepping up and admitting what we all can see now is the truth.

coldbrewski
coldbrewski
November 17, 2015 4:07 am
Reply to  jakedog

Well I’ll be damned!!

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 16, 2015 10:54 pm

Yes Nick Foles has stunk up the joint but Zilents, myself and a few others called this right after the trade, Jeff Fischer is a serial QB killer and King of finding scapegoats to keep his job rat bastard. Kool this doesn’t validate a damn thing Kelly replaced a bad QB with a gimp legged stiff. This Eagles offense ran 88 plays and scored 17 damn points the bum ass Redskins offense ran 59 plays and scored 47 points. The Genuis had a high powered offense now it’s the dink and dunk all stars. Look at that damn receiving crew, Cooper, Matthews, Austin,Huff and the rookie are you shitting me? Alabama’s secondary would shut those stiffs down. Kelly has killed this franchise.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 16, 2015 11:28 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Biglion stop it bro…please stop…yes Jeff Fisher does not have the best record with Quarterbacks, but what more do you want the guy to do for Nick Foles? They gave him a full training camp, made him the starter from the jump to get him the full reps and time to acclimate himself to the system.
They gave him a dynamic running game with one of the most exciting rookies in the league. They tweaked the offense to do things that Foles was comfortable with…
Fisher gave the guy every chance…and Foles didn’t just ‘struggle’ a little bit…he stank up the joint to the point that the St Louis fans were booing him…
Kelly replaced a bad QB with the best “available” QB…I know you hate Bradford but there were no options..who would you have gotten to replace Foles as a starting QB? Add to that there is not one game you can point to and blame Bradford for the loss. Bradford-gimp legg and all with no receivers, no running game threw for 236 yards on 19-25 passing…he hit the game winning walk off shot against our hated rival the Cowboys giving me bragging rights on the job for weeks…we can see the accuracy, the talent and skill…the only QB who could have taken a massive beatdown like Miami’s defensive line was giving out yesterday would be someone like Cam Newton
As to the receiving core, we thought Huff would take a step up, Agholor is just getting back from injury…most thought he would give us a lot more than he has up to this date. We thought we were getting more from the tight end spot with Ertz who got hurt missed a lot of camp, and is just now starting to develop some rhymth with Bradford.
Kelly has improved the defense and we thought we would be relying a whole lot more on the running game with getting Murray and Matthews…but Jason Kelce has taken a massive step back and you cant tell me that’s because of the loss of Mathis…he gets manhandled by physical defensive tackles…the franchise is not dead yet…we still have a shot to win the division…can we ignite the running game again if Jason Peters returns? This is what we need!

Biglion821
Biglion821
November 17, 2015 12:39 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

Sorry Kool but your man Kelly is a fraud who has set this franchise back for years, sorry you don’t see that but not only is the talent lacking they are soft and stupid. Same mistakes game in game out. We talked about Foles gold well believing in Kelly like you do is fools gold. This stupid QB debate is masking the main problem with the Eagles. That being Chip Kelly aka the LLCB.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 17, 2015 7:31 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Correct Big!

Who gives a shit if Bradford is better than Foles… How does that help anything? Now it’s a debate over who has a better supporting cast…

The Eagles suck – It don’t matter who plays quarterback.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 11:25 pm

I want the old Jake back…

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2015 11:46 pm

Peter’s is at the end of the line, he probably has 4-6 Games left in his Body
Fast forward to 2016, the Eagles Offense needs a QB, OT, RG, At least 2 WR’s
Then Draft a Center,RB & TE

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 17, 2015 8:04 am
Reply to  paulman

You can roll with Bradford (If I can upgrade him I do, but I do not see it happening in 2016), but, you have to upgrade the o line and wide receivers in order to help Bradford out. I was extremely disappointed in not being able to get Mariotta which made me reject Bradford, but it’s the best option right now. Chump Kelly has made a train wreck of the receiver position and this moron still says in his press conference that his outside receivers are good enough. This guy is stubborn like Andy Reid, or just stupid. I do not care what anyone says, Kelly’s dumbest move was to get rid of DJax and not replace him.I do not care if he tried, this abject failure told me right then and there this clown can not judge talent. He got Jordan Mathews and Hicks, the rest of his draft picks are lame. I give Howie credit for 2012 and 2013 draft, Chip is responsible for 2014 and 2015. I do not want to hear about 10-6, 10-6, he did that with Reid’s players, now that he has his players and culture club, they suck big time, and it all starts with this fast talking snake oil salesman!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 17, 2015 1:04 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I ask guys over and over again…what moves should Chip Kelly have made?

The Quarterback move was a gamble that Kelly had to take…he had two backups and no franchise QB

The worst move made by Kelly was getting rid of DJax

All of the other moves can you really complain about them.

Does Mathis make this team that much better

Kelly’s drafts have been average like everyone else some hits and some misses

He took over the GM’s job when Roseman made the push for more power and pushed Tom Gamble-the football guy-out of the front office

Kelly’s option-accept Roseman-a financial guy as the GM- or make a power play himself

Kelly wisely took the latter.

This is the NFL…its not college, it’s not Arena football…Kelly doesn’t have a magic wand…and the season aint over…we are not out of it…we are in the same spot as a lot of other 4-5 teams, like our division…suffering from key injuries, set-backs

The key to this Eagles team is the offensive line and the running game…we get that straighten out and consistent…get Bradford back we can win the division…period and that gives us a shot.

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 1:18 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Chip should have stayed in College, He originally turned the Eagles Offer down, and then went back to Oregon only to find out that his Duck Program was about to be placed on Probation for Recruiting Violations and would have a Bowl Ban, Plus lost Scholarships and the Shame and Disgrace that Follows So Chip Kelly calls Owner Lurie back to see if the Offer was still good and accepts it… The Eagles should never have Hired his Lying, Arrogant Ass to begin with.. and Do Note, that Chip Kelly actually accepted the HC Job Offer with the TB Bucs a Year before and then reneged on the Deal when Oregon came back to Kelly with more $$$$..
The Guy is a Scumbag, Always was, Always will be in my Book…

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 17, 2015 9:44 am
Reply to  paulman

Pman ..none of the draft picks matter ,unless we get a real organizational GM change and O.C with a voice

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 17, 2015 7:25 am

Chip Kelly’s offense has gotten steadily worse since 13- we all focus on the QB- the 27/2 Foles, the mediocre Foles, the mediocre Butt Fumble, the mediocre and inconsistent Bradford. We argue about the O line, the running styles of this guy or that guy but I think the LLCB has been figured out. The NFL is filled with lots of smart coaches, they figured out the blocking schemes of the Oline and reek havoc on the play design- NO OFFENSIVE SYSTEM CAN HANDLE PENETRATION, that two level blocking pattern they go for allows penetration…

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 8:48 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I’ve been saying this for 2 Years HAC..
Mis-direction, Guard & Center Pulls are fine once in a while but not as a base Blocking Scheme..
Quick Slants by the D/Line and active shooting the gaps LB’s blow these plays up before they get a chance to work
Chip Kelly talks about his 88 Offensive Plays last game, but how many went for 4 + Yards?

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 17, 2015 9:35 am
Reply to  paulman

its not really a lot of counters and misdirection- the idea seems to me to be lots of chip blocks and on to the second level- i’m sure its more complicated than that but really it just amounts to the inability to put pad on pad at the point of attack- i think we saw this early on when they wouldn’t go for 4th and inches etc.

deserteagle
deserteagle
November 17, 2015 9:41 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I think we’ve put our fingers on the pulse of the trials and tribulations of the offense..That’s why chip surrounded himself with “ducks” ..and pac 12 reverence players .It took 10 weeks to target the tight ends ..His PC explanation was ,”it was based on mismatches ” which was a convenient excuse ,nothing more .His under utilization of sproles is now glaring .Why can’t this guy focus on big play playmakers ,and discard the money shots targeting miles Austin?

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 10:40 am
Reply to  deserteagle

As I stated DE and HAC,
This “Horizontal Approach” of Kelly’s Offense just doesn’t translate well in the NFL as it did at the College Level where sheer Speed,Tempo and Depth of Skills Players like he had at Oregon, would just wear down and run away from most College Level Defenses and Defensive Coordinators is simply not going to happen at the NFL Level where you have Professional World Class Athletes ,Coach’s & Schemes prepared to take away what you do every week..
If you want Big People to Beat up little People, then you need to win the 1 on 1 Battles up Front and move that DL off the LOS so the RB’s can make that first defender miss and get some positive Yards..
Eagles have to lead the NFL in Zero or Loss of Yards Running Plays

Everz11
Everz11
November 17, 2015 9:33 am

That’s because Chip is a college coach. Not because he came from college, many other coaches have done so and assimilated to the NFL. He is a college coach because after 3 years he thinks his tempo can trump superior athletes. Because he leads the team like he has a bunch of 18-22 year old kids and not 24-35 year old men. Because he can’t rationalize that pro linebackers and linemen are too fast to run options and horizontal schemes as the basic staple of your offense and because while your josh huff’s of the world can get open against secondary’s players that likely will never make the pros, his lack of discipline and football acumen can’t do it in the NFL. A pro coach recognizes these things and adapts. He puts the talent he has assembled in the best scenarios to succeed and win regardless of “his system” and in this case, with the sweeping changes he made in the off-season, one would think the players currently on this team would be better at running “his system”, not worse. Which leads me to believe it’s not just the players, or even mostly the players, its the coach. The NFL, consisting of the elite 1% of college football players caught up to his nonsense, just like they caught up to the Read Option overall and Chip has had three years to make an adjustment and hasn’t. Never hire a college coach that wore a visor is my theory.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 17, 2015 9:42 am

You guys are funny. There are at least 3 people in here pimping the Stl Rams “skill positions”

If you think the eagles skill positions are bad, you only have to look to Stl to feel instantly better.

If you were to trade the entire group of Eagles WRs and TEs to STL and have their entire crew sent here, I guarantee you that everyone here would be screaming about how terrible the offensive skill players are.

Their WRs are:
Kenny Britt: Fat, slow, and terrible. He catches less than 50% of his targets and over the past 4 years has averaged 30 catches for 400 yrds and 1 td.
Tavon Austin: A smurf who sucks. Over the past 3 years he has averaged 35 catches for less than 300 yrds/season. He has 4 career tds.
Brian Quick: The old Eagle reject with 58 catches over the past 4 years????
Bradley Marques: Who the hell is Bradley Marquez? a converted QB rookie with 4 catches.

I would take the Eagles WR group over that mess 6 days a week and tewice on Sundays. Anyone who thinks differently, that this is somehow a better position group than the Eagles is a complete buffoon.

They just added out of football jello-brained Wes Welker to improve that dismal crew.

Tight ends:

Do we really want to compare Zach Ertz and Brent Celek to Jared Cook and Corey Harkey??

There are really people on this board who would swap those guys? If you think that’s a good idea you are an idiot.

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 10:59 am

Easy on Brian Quick who is not an ex-Eagle (maybe your thinking of Mike Quick who played like 35 Years ago)
Brian was Drafted by the Rams from my Local College (Appalachian State) and when Healthy, has played pretty well considering he’s played for about 6-7-8 QB’s and 3 Offensive Coordinators in his 3-4 Seasons with the Rams

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 17, 2015 11:36 am
Reply to  paulman

No…I had him mixed up with Brandon Gibson who was on the Eagles and went to the Rams.

A simple enough mistake….both shitty WRs who did nothing in the pros and with the initials BG.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 17, 2015 11:38 am

Or BQ – not having the best day. Point still stands though…STL has nothing at the WR/TE positions.

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 11:53 am

Brandon Gibson was traded by the Eagles to the Rams for LB Will Witherspoon I believe after the Eagles had Injuries to the MLB Position..

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 17, 2015 1:13 pm

The only thing that’s funny is your clown act, Vinniedafool

Kenny Britt is a legitimate deep threat that none of the Eagles wideouts

Tavon Austin is an explosive playmaker with speed in the open field…put those two guys with the explosive running back Gurley…a young beast and you have some offensive explosion

The real reason their numbers are down is because their Quarterback sucks ass! Everyone in St Louis identified Foles as the weak link…receivers running free wide open…Foles missing them…poor over thrown and under thrown balls.

All reports out of St Louis was the same familiar reports we heard about Foles here…confused, missing open targets, late with passes…

Foles stunk ass and it wasn’t because of receivers…it was because of his terrible play. Teams stopped respecting play action and started selling out on the run because they wanted Foles to throw the ball…

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 17, 2015 9:50 am

Foles sucks in Stl. He was benched. Who the fuck cares???

That doesn’t change the fact that we have a erratic injury prone sleepy twig as the starting QB for the Eagles now does it?

Nor does it change the fact that Stl will be enjoying a nice high 2nd round pick so Eagle fan could have the privilege of watching Sam Bradford flash occasional “brilliance” and “potential” for 6 minutes a game before reverting to the inaccurate mess he’s been his entire career.

And only to get broken in half like he does every single year.

Foles sucking in STL does not belay the fact that the Eagles leader is a shoulder slumped, inaccurate brittle twig. (which every intelligent fan knew he was before he came to the Birds)

Foles sucking in STL does not somehow validate the trade.

Foles sucking in STL does not make the incredible mistake of throwing draft picks away for inaccurate, always under .500, injury machines any better.

It was a mistake to trade for Bradford then. It was still a mistake now.

Eagles would be much better off with Foles here at 4-5 and that high pick, than with Bub-Bye Bradford here and no pick.

And nothing anyone can say can change that the Eagles are worse off now than they would have been,

daggolden
daggolden
November 17, 2015 10:35 am

Vinny losing a 2nd round pick doesn’t matter the Eagles cant draft either so who cares. The Eagles can recoup that pick in many ways. They can drop back in the 1st round which in all likely hood they will be picking around 10-15.pick up a 2nd round pick and then select Marcus Smiths brother. lol

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 17, 2015 1:47 pm
Reply to  daggolden

Exactly, dagolden…we have a couple of 3rd rounders one of which is Detroit’s which should be pretty high…Vinniedafool wants to project that loss of a second rounder as the greatest Eagles loss in the history of the game…Ridiculous…we had to throw something in because St Louis was giving us the better talent…they had offers for a first rounder for Bradford

St Louis was the only team that had the slightest interest in Nick Foles, he wasn’t worth a 4th or 5th rounder to anyone else…so for Bradford we traded the equivalent of a 2nd and 6th rounder (Foles value on the market)

The gamble was clearly worth it and we have seen the quality of Bradford’s play go up and up as the season is going on…even with his Oline getting dominated and no running game…Bradford was 19 for 25 with a touchdown…

Quarterback is NOT and has NOT been the main problem with this team

Its been the Offensive Line and injuries

The last game we were hurt by not having Jason Peters…not a surprise when you lose an All-Pro Tackle that the quality of your line play is impacted!

jakedog
jakedog
November 17, 2015 10:14 am

I have to disagree on this premises. If kelly concluded as he apparently did that nick foles is not good, what was his option?

He couldn’t draft Winston or mariota

he took a gamble, can’t blame him for action to improve

you can validly argue that throwing in the 2nd was too much, but kelly needed a franchise qb or one who he thought when healthy, in his scheme, that Bradford was the best available option

you can be critical of Bradford s play, but the trade had to be made,

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 11:05 am
Reply to  jakedog

The Biggest Problem I had with teh Deal was the Inclusion of the Eagles 2nd Round Pick which could very well end up as a Top 40-45 Pick Selected in 2016 Draft..
Foles for Bradford Straight-Up, I could see, as Eagles assumed Bradford’s Higher Risk of Injury and a much larger Contract than Foles.. It should have been the Rams tossing in a Draft Pick, not the Eagles if Kelly played his GM Cards properly..

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 17, 2015 11:52 am
Reply to  jakedog

No it didn’t Jake. It was a “shitty franchise” move. Its the Jets picking up Fitzpatrick, or Houston with Hoyer. Its Bradford.

And it never, ever was going to add anything to the team in terms of long term or playoff success.

Nothin. And everyone and anyone who has followed Bradford’s career knew it. He is and was an innacurate, scared under .500 twig. And while he occasionally “flashes” “brilliance” and “potential” he is a madde3ning, frustrating injury machine who always reverts.

Rams fan was done with the guy because he always gives you those flashes, then always fades away.

Trading for him was one of these never works desperation moves. Another short-sighted “win now” type “plans” that this franchise has been lurching through for over a decade.

You know what was the best thing this franchise did over the past 30 years?? Finishing 3-13 in 98.

Its absolutely too bad that the 2013 draft was a QB wasteland….but by 2014 Kelly had to know he needed a QB.

He had to. And sitting there were Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr……

But he didn’t. He was all “win now!!” (and a lot of people in here supported that – I did not I have been saying since about 2005 Eagles needed to draft and groom a young QB – and not some 4th rounder like Barkley – I’m talking about a first rounder)

But Kelly is in full “win now mode…..and so desperate to hold us there he’s hauling out pathetic re-treads like Sanchez, and Bradford, and Tebow and Murray to keep the “win now” mantra rolling.

Its a terrible strategy. All logical fans know it. And the franchise is paying for it.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 17, 2015 1:39 pm

I’ve heard some lame ass stuff on this site…but can anyone believe this lame ass stuff from Vinniedafool?!

Are you kidding me???

Vinniedafool has the unmitigated gall to tell us:

“Its absolutely too bad that the 2013 draft was a QB wasteland….but by 2014 Kelly had to know he needed a QB.

He had to. And sitting there were Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr……”

2013 we had a QB name NIck Foles Vinnie who had those stats you quoted over and over again-“27-2”, we went to the playoffs…so now in 2014 when Foles is playing for his big time contract…the exact same year you cried, begged, and whined for the Eagles to sign him to a long term deal similar to what Kaepernick got in SF…NOW you want to bash Chip Kelly for giving Foles the fair shot to prove he deserved the job and spend a high No#1 draft pick on to sign Bortles, Bridegwater, or Carr

What a lame ass flip-flopping guy you are Vinniedafool!!

This is absolute proof that you are a certified flip-flopping master…you and Paulman are professional flip-floppers.
This is typical of Vinniedafool..never any regard for circumstances and situations…just blurt anything out as we go along…flip-flop positions constantly on the fly

You are a lying ass Vinnie…stop it

“I did not I have been saying since about 2005 Eagles needed to draft and groom a young QB – and not some 4th rounder like Barkley – I’m talking about a first rounder)”

Complete and utter bullshit Vinnie and you know it…the “young QB” in your mind was Nick Foles…Chip Kelly did exactly what you and what everyone wanted him to do coming off of a year when they went to the playoffs and Foles played well…they gave him the ample opportunity to prove that he was a franchise QB capable of handling the job…you dont draft a Qb in the first round when you have a QB in his make or brake year…

If it was terrible strategy then why didn’t you bash Kelly back then Vinniedafool?

Bullshit! Your full of it!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 17, 2015 2:34 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Yes. In my mind it was Foles. I absolutely thought that. I also think that if Foles had remained on the Eagles he’d be performing – on the Eagles – better than the twig has been.

But as you have so often pointed out…this is obviously not what Kelly thought.

Are you now saying he also thought Foles was great, then changed his mind?

Or are you going to stay consistent with your preaching that “Kelly knew”

That’s your line right?

So if “Kelly knew!” as you continually point out….then why not draft a QB??? That’s the only logical move.

Trading Foles and a 2nd another teams’s reject sub-.500 inaccurate scardy-cat, shoulders always slumped injury prone twig was and is plain stupid.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
November 17, 2015 7:46 pm

Of all the ridiculous and disingenuous contentions…

Vinniedafool the argument was that you wanted to give Nick Foles the big money right away…me and more balanced observers felt that 2014 was Foles make or brake year to prove himself. I said that over and over again…I made no arguments for Vick to be retained on the team…It was clear to everyone that Foles would be and should be the opening day starter for the team …with the fair chance and organizational support to be the franchise QB. No one called for Sanchez to start despite his superior play in the pre-season!

So Kelly did exactly what you, the Foles supporters and those of us who doubted Foles wanted and thought he should have done…give the kid a fair shot to prove up or down, either he was the franchise QB or not…he got the shot and when he failed miserably you were the guy insisting that he the Eagles commit to him even AFTER he failed in the 2014 season and get a deal like Kaepernick got…

So after all of the whining, crying, moaning and groaning you did for Nick Foles…you have the gall to turn around and hypocritically bash Kelly for not drafting a QB in the 2014 draft??!!

What a hypocritical, disingenuous flip-flop!

You are a fraud Vinniedafool!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 17, 2015 2:47 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

BTW – why do you keep lying about Krapernick’s “long term deal?”

It wasn’t and isn’t. Its another in the long line of completely fabricated myths you keep shouting in here, as if shouting them will somehow make them true.

Krapernicks deal is an extremely team friendly deal that allows the 49ers to cut him at almost any time with very little penalty.

That is exactly the type of contract the Eagles could have done with Foles, one that would allow them to cut the guy sans penalty after a year.

Instead, they went with your pencil-thin, inaccurate, injury machine….who has been….very very surprisingly…inaccurate.

And now he’s hurt. That’s a surprise.

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 2:56 pm

The 49ers have an easy out after this Season with Kapernick hardly costing them anything.. Kapernick Guaranteed $$4 were in the first 2 Years of his Deal which have already been paid by the Club.. They are not on the hook for much at all… Kapernick’s a Goner..

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 2:57 pm
Reply to  paulman

and will probably end up with the Cowboys as Romo’s Back-up

paulman
paulman
November 17, 2015 1:42 pm

****NFL Rumors***

Eagles and Chip Kelly very interested in Acquiring QB Robert Griffin III from the Redskins.. Eagles Right now are Offering former 1st Round Pick OLB MSII and a 2016 3rd Round Draft Pick in the 2016 Draft
I expect this Announcement to be made in Mid-February
Sam Bradford’s Agent/Team have told Chip Kelly that they are testing the Free-Agency Market, basically meaning he wants very little to do with remaining an Eagle..