• September 28, 2022

Eagles Stay Or Go: Quarterbacks

SamBradfordvsJets1Sam Bradford : Go

No, I’m not interested at all in a return by Sam Bradford.

Is the Eagles’ best option to win games in the short-term? Yes. He’s far and away the best veteran option available.

However, there are a number of things at play that make me think a Bradford return is not in the team’s best interest.

First, there are the salary cap implications. Keeping Bradford is going to be very costly. If the Eagles want to do a long-term deal, you’re looking at a ballpark of $18 million per year for a guy who has more than a fair amount of questions surrounding him. A popular idea is to keep Bradford on the franchise tag, but that just makes the salary cap situation even worse, and likely forces the Eagles to cut ties with an extra quality veteran or two to make it work.

If the Eagles keep Bradford, they can say goodbye to the majority of their top defensive free agents. It will become much harder to keep guys like Walter Thurmond, Vinny Curry, Nolan Carroll, or work out extensions with key guys like Fletcher Cox or Bennie Logan with Bradford’s projected cap number sucking up a good deal of the club’s flexibility.

Then there’s the injury factor. Bradford made it through 2015 without a major injury, but his history of durability remains a great risk.

And then there’s the fact that I just don’t think Bradford is a true franchise quarterback. When I look at the former Ram, I see a guy who week-to-week is simply happy just to be out on the field playing the game, rather than spending his time rehabbing from a surgery. He’s never displayed the same killer-instinct that a lot of other good or great quarterbacks in this league possess.

Six years into his career, we’re still waiting for Sam Bradford to win a big game. This is a guy who has only thrown for more than 20 touchdown passes once in his career, and has never surpassed the 4,000-yard mark. He’s also not a guy who makes the players around him better, another must-have trait of a franchise quarterback.

To me, all of the signs surrounding Bradford spell out a guy who has “potential”, but nothing more. He’ll occasionally tease people with a picture-perfect throw here and there (see preseason game vs Green Bay), or a nice game here and there. But he’s not a next-level guy.

Committing to Bradford would be to continue the same flawed, desperate line of thinking that the Eagles have applied to the quarterback position since Donovan McNabb was traded away. This team has tried the reclamation-project route so many times before, from Michael Vick, to Vince Young, to Mark Sanchez, to Bradford, and the end result is always the same: mediocrity.

This team needs to draft a quarterback, develop and build around him. No more shortcuts. No more quick-fixes. I’d much rather send Bradford on his way and use the salary cap room to extend Fletcher Cox and retain some of this team’s defensive free agents.

Mark Sanchez: Go

I can’t take another year of the “Sanchize”.

He’s terrible. I never bought into the idea that he was a great option as a backup quarterback. The guy is a heartbreaker, plain and simple. Sanchez will find his way to the most painful, back-breaking turnover imaginable.

Thad Lewis: Go

He was only on the roster because Chip Kelly couldn’t find a better option for the third-string role. At best, maybe he’s a guy that can develop a bit as a backup, but the ceiling is pretty low here.

Possible Veteran Addition: Chase Daniel

Kansas City’s backup quarterback is set to be a free-agent after the season, and after having the spent the last three years working with Doug Pederson, could be a fit to come in here as a guy Pederson feels comfortable with to run the offense in the short-term while a younger quarterback is developed.

What I Think Will Happen

Obviously I’m not in love with this team’s quarterback situation in the least, considering I would want to move on from all three guys on the roster.

Realistically though, I expect the Eagles to do everything they can to retain Bradford. They invested a lot to bring him here, and I think Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman will still be enamored enough by his “potential” that they’ll want to take another shot on him.

If something should fall through with Bradford, the team does have the “luxury” of having Sanchez under contract that they can fall back on.

I don’t see both Bradford and Sanchez returning next year, however. If Bradford returns, I would very much expect the team to try to trade or release Sanchez because the team will need some additional salary relief, and he carries a high number for a backup. I do think Chase Daniel is a very real possibility to join the Eagles next season, either as a backup to Bradford or competition for Sanchez.

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RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 20, 2016 11:56 pm

18 million per. Sold sign sign sign Sam Bradford. He is 28 You have a chance at close to 10 years of stability at the QB position.

Draft a guy in the later rounds to develop / Back up. With the slotted draft picks salary it no longer hamstrings you if you lose your 20 mil QB if you are developing a young arm.

We have a franchise guy you do not risk busts in multiple years when you can be stable and then develop talent. If you get A Rogers Favre scenario you make your choice then.

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 8:08 am
Reply to  RegalEagle

Bradford and His Agents Want $25 Million per Season per CSN Philly…
He’s a Goner and never wanted to be a long-term Eagles or would have signed that deal Chip Kelly offered him last Season.. (just another Reason Lurie Fired Kelly is that it was Kelly who made the move to get Bradford, but then couldn’t lock him up with a Contract???
Lurie does not like 1 Year Rental Players and especially at high contracts which is why they would never think of placing a franchise tag on him..)

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 12:00 am

Cut
Peters, Celek(my favorite player),Sproles,Cooper,Ryans, and you can pay Bradford. Lock down a long term player and lose a few older guys a year early.

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 4:15 am

Denny honestly you have to do both. You have to try to sign Bradford to a 5 year deal and front load it and sign a QB early in this draft or next. Nothing else matters. Fletcher Cox doesn’t matter, Suh, Watts, Darius, etc etc etc doesn’t matter. You cant win without a QB. Cam, Peyton, Brady Rothlisberger Rogers, Palmer etc. The Fletcher Coxs of the world aren’t winning you SB. The Texans, Dolphins, Vikings and Jets all have multiple Fletcher Cox on their team. They aren’t winning with their QBs either. You must pour your resources into QB and hope to get lucky. IMO

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 4:17 am

Deny your not being fair. Let me state I really don’t know the right way to go but I do know this. In Bradfords defense you conveniently omitted that Bradford played behind a oline that didn’t have NFL guards. You conveniently omitted that he played with 1 NFL WR that actually got open and caught the ball semi-consistently. . You conveniently omitted that he was forced to run the same 5 plays and not allowed to check out of the bad plays.. You conveniently overlooked that the guy was coming off of back to back major injuries and had to establish confidence in his knee which took some time which is expected. Saying all that I honestly don’t know the right thing to do.Personally I think I would try to sign him to a 5 year deal I could get out of in 3 years and still draft a QB high.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 8:55 am
Reply to  Denny Basens

Doesn’t make players around him better???

Did you not see the drop off with Sanchez. Bradford did make the very limited talent we had better.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 9:44 am
Reply to  Denny Basens

I would argue that Bradford did all those things and had he not gotten crushed in the Dolphins game they would have won that game and either TB or Detroit and been NFC east champs. Still would have lost in the play offs but I think he makes that much difference

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 21, 2016 11:38 pm
Reply to  RegalEagle

RegalEagle, Denny is a guy filled with the same group think, cliche’ sort of approach to the QB position…”he doesn’t make guys better’, “excuses for Sam Bradford”…here are some simple facts:

“It took Bradford roughly half the season to regain confidence in his twice-damaged left knee and really master Kelly’s offense. But once he did, his productivity soared. Despite a league-high 50 drops by his receivers, he set franchise records for completions (346) and completion percentage (65.0).”
From Philly.com

All this proves is that beyond the cliches you have a guy in Bradford who can play! Football is a team game and you can have good Quarterbacks on bad teams with poor offensive lines and receivers…when you complete 65% of your passes you can play.

I’ll take the facts and leave the cliches to others…the bottom line is that we should get who we know is the best available Quarterback to give this Coach a chance to succeed. The best available QB is Sam Bradford…franchise him, sign him to a big deal…whatever..get it done and use the draft to shore up other positions!

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 9:53 am
Reply to  Denny Basens

Not close to contention is false in the modern NFL. We blew the doors off of the Carolina Panthers a year ago and look where they are today.

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 10:35 am
Reply to  RegalEagle

Playing and Beating the Carolina Panthers in Oct of 2014 means very little to nothing in January of 2016..
Do you realize that the Panthers have 4 New Starting OL, 2 New Starting WR’s , 1 New Starting RB, 2 New Starting DL, 1 New Starting CB’s and 1 New Starting Safety from that particular game
16 Months in the NFL is an eternity …

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 4:14 pm
Reply to  paulman

That’s my point

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 9:45 am
Reply to  daggolden

Yes that’s the way you compete and build

summup
summup
January 21, 2016 6:50 am

Denny B lol lol your crazy DUDE but I’m with you , everything your saying makes since . I’m still laughing as I type in relation to your comment about Sanchez……… That do is a BUM… he need to pack his bags and RUN UP ANOTHER O-LINEMENS ass and leave this team!!!!!!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 21, 2016 7:14 am

Adios Bradford -Adios Celek – Adios Cooper
Hello Cardale Jones.
Bradford wasn’t worth the 13 million he received last season. He is simply too frail to succeed in the National Football League.
Let Cardale gain 16 games of NFL experience if he doesn’t have it then the Eagles will be drafting in the top 3. If he does, the Eagles have their entire skill position passing game all under 25 years old. Let the search begin.
No to Chase Daniels, guarantee bottom 10 NFL passing game with that career backup.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 8:57 am

Puke.

You want to give the franchise to a guy that couldn’t keep his college job?? Cmon man

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
January 21, 2016 9:06 am

Cripes. Cardale is not an NFL QB. He cannot consistently throw the ball. No thanks.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 9:45 am
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Thank you. some sanity

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 9:49 am

Paulman’s Plan …
Let Bradford Walk

Trade the #13 Pick to the Texans for their #22nd & #54th Picks
then make the following Selections in their first 3 Rounds (4 Selections)

At #22 – Select QB Carson Wentz – North Dakota St 6-5 235lbs
At #54 – Select OT Jerald Hawkins – LSU 6-6 310lbs
At #77 – Select Guard Spencer Drango – Baylor 6-6 320lbs
At #80 – Select TE Nick Vannett – Ohio State 6-6 260lbs

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 9:56 am
Reply to  paulman

Are you garunteed that QB. Are you sure.. Cause there are 12 chances someone else has your target 1st.

Sam leaves. We get screwed in draft by someone picking “our guy” one slot ahead of us and Boom we are sanchized. Helllll Noooo

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 10:00 am
Reply to  RegalEagle

Do not gamble at the most important position on football unless you have house money. IE Bradford under contract/ Tag (yuck) you want a QB in a late round this year awesome. You want a high QB next year cool but that means taggin Bradford Twice. For the money you can likely get a long term deal and the be able to trade Bradford later if Tom Brady the II emerges on the squad.

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 10:11 am
Reply to  RegalEagle

You can never be Postive or Guarantee anything in the NFL Draft or Live for that matter.. Between the 13th and 22nd Selections , I see the Rams at #15 and the Jets at #20th as Teams likely to look at QB for their Top Selections and there should be other QB’s like Paxton Lynch, Connor Cook on the Board in terms of QB’s…
I am taking the Risk that that Rams take Cook and Jets take Lynch
and if it doesn’t work, then I go with Sanchez, or a Free-Agent Stop Gap QB like Chase Daniels, Matt Moore for 2016 which is going to be a rebuilding Season no matter what any Fan, Media or Coach or Front Office Person from the Eagles says..
Owner Lurie is looking at the long-term horizon here with the Hire of Pederson and Hires of Schwartz/Reich, etc,etc and the Franchise QB that they all want to Teach and Groom is going to come from the 2016 or 2017 NFL Draft, not a 30 Year Old Veteran …

The Franchise Tag Salary for QB in 2016 is Approx $25 Million due to all the recent Extensions that some QB’s have done in recent Years like Romo,Brees, etc, etc which were backloaded Contracts and now that Big $$$ are Due in 2016

The Eagles only have $24 Million in Cap Space available for 2016 and have approx 15-20 Players to get under Contract to even Field a 53 Man Roster …
so even if they wanted to, which I don’t believe they do, they are not signing or placing a Franchise Tag for a 1 Year Rental on a Rebuild Situation for 2016
Its not happening, No How, No Way

Bradford was a roll of the dice move by Chip Kelly to go all in for 2016 or to have as a trade piece for Mariota, it didn’t work, Kelly is gone now and so will Sam Bradford… No one currently with the Eagles has any dire ties to vested interest in Sam Bradford .. Its the way it is which is moving forward..

2016 is a building season with the New Staff, A re-energized Core with some new Pieces added in the Draft and hopefully a Young QB to groom for the next 8-10-12 Season

summup
summup
January 21, 2016 6:04 pm
Reply to  paulman

That Carson Wentz kid is pretty dam good I don’t know if I wouldn’t wait to pick him you get this kid asap

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 10:16 am

If my deal does not work for Carons Wenz for 2016 Draft, then I go QB
in the 2016 which will be a very good and deeper Class..
2016 is a Rebuild Season for the Eagles, HC Pederson will have enough rope and time to make the needed changes that are better for the long-term (Hence, the “Strategic Planning”that Lurie refer;s too)
Lurie more than anything, wants that stability at the HC Position and if it means another 6-10 or 8-8 Season where they are not really competing for any Deep Playoff run, then so be it, now of course I am not naive enough to think Lurie is going to say this publicly, but the Decision of him firing Chip Kelly and replacing him with a 1st Time HC in Doug Pederson is proof of what Lurie’s “Strategic Planning” is all about…

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 21, 2016 10:28 am

Listening to chipsPC is fascinating .He stated AGAIN “I only want to coach” it’s as if he took his snake oil covered wagon and headed west ..He also spoke glowingly about his QB and disparaged kapernick ..in doing so..There’s bound to be low hanging fruit at QB ,the Eagles need be patient and let the landscape define itself ..same old pinnochipio ..just a different time zone !

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 21, 2016 10:49 am
Reply to  Denny Basens

Denny ..I live here in the az.desert. The NFC west will put chip back in the pac 12.. The good news ,is he can take the. Local train to go back home..Arians Carroll , and Fischer and chip will be ,must watch tv .

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 11:07 am
Reply to  deserteagle

The NFC West will be competitive, no doubt, but the Seahawks have a lot
of Free-Agents, Lots of Players unhappy with their Contracts ( M Bennett, K Chancellor) and have lost quite a few Quality Assistant Coach’s the last couple of Off-Seasons which is catching up to them and are simply not the same Team they were.. They likely will Release RB Lynch and probably will lose Starters like LT R Okung,RG Sweezey,DT Mebane, OLB Bruce Irvin, CB J Lane this Off-Season to Free-Agency

Cardinals are built for Success, their only issue is if something happens to Carson Palmer which you can say about any Team when the lose their Starting QB, they are the Class of the NFC West

The Rams are the Rams and have no QB or a consistent Offense to Win against Good Teams.. Jeff Fisher is a QB killer.. They also have a few Free-Agents coming up both CB’s Trumaine Johnson and Janoris Jenkins which means one of them will be gone, I would love the Eagles to sign CB Trumaine Johnson but they realistically don’t have the $$ to do so..

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 10:49 am
Reply to  Denny Basens

I disagree.. The 49ers will be competitive in 2016

6 Games vs NFC West Rivals
4 Games vs AFC East (Pats,Jets,Bills & Dolphins)
4 Games vs NFC South (Panthers,Falcons, TB Bucs, Saints)
2 Games vs basement Teams Chicago and Dallas

They get the Patriots,Jets, Saints, TB Bucs & Cowboys at Home in 2016

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
January 21, 2016 10:59 am
Reply to  paulman

I will take that bet Pman. They have 4 losses with the Seahawks and Arizona games automatically, and they will at best split with LA.
Pats = loss
Panthers = Loss

That is 7 losses and I think that the Jets will handle them as well as Dallas (if Romo is back). The rest are toss ups, but I think that they lose 10 games next year.

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 11:28 am
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Competitive Bugs being about a .500 Team, Not a Legitimate Playoff Team
I see the 49ers with about 7-8 Wins maybe 9 Wins which is about what I see the 2016 Eagles with…but there is a lot of time and changes that will occur for most of the Teams in the NFL between Now and Next Opening Day Kick-Off..

Who knows how the Jets QB will be, Will QB Romo even be Healthy for a Full Season.. Long West Coast Trips for the Patriots, TB Bucs & Jets

The 49ers still have a very Young Defense which was ranked 29th and 1 Spot ahead of the Eagles .. Again, both Teams played with suck inconsistent Offense that their Defense’s were playing behind the 8-Ball quite a bit..
But they have Some young Talent on their Defense with Players like DL Tank Carradine, LB’s Aaron Lynch, Eli Harold,Shaye Skov and a very young Secondary with Safeties Eric Reid, Jimmy Ward, Jaquiski Tarrt and CB’s Dontae Johnson & Tramaine Brock to go along with Veteran Navorro Bowman, Ahmad Brooks,Alvin Bethea..

They have 12 Draft Picks in 2015 & and 9 Draft Picks in 2016 and
approx $50 of Cap Space…
They are sitting pretty good moving forward… but need to address both their OL & DL and Skills Positioin
I like their RB Corp of Carlos Hyde and Mike Smith
Young WR’s of Torrey Smith, Quinton Patton & Bruce Ellington to go along with Veteran A Boldin and a Young TE’s Tandem of Vance McDonald and Blake Bell
If Chip gets QB Kapernick fixed, they will Win their Share of Games

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 10:43 am
Reply to  deserteagle

I watched Kelly’s PC last night and he didn’t give any endorsements on any Current 49er Players as he stated that he’s really focused on getting a Staff together and has done zippo Player Evaluations so far..
Remember the stance that New Coach’s have to make when coming in..
Its just not Chip Kelly’s nature to say that he loves all the Players on this 49ers Roster for there is a good possibility that a good 20% of them simply don’t fit his System.. Now Kaepernick most certainly does which is probably one of the reasons that Chip took that Job and why GM Trent Balkee Hired him to fix Kaepernick as his Job is now on the line also…

The 49ers Owner Jeb York looks and sounds like Marco Rubio… Ha

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 21, 2016 11:04 am
Reply to  paulman

Pman..a few takeaways from the PC,I think we’d all enjoy as eagle fans.when pressed that the Eagles defense played An extra three games worth of. Snaps .He said”Kelly referenced its inability to make stops on third downs” ranking 27th in 3rd down defense.allowing 42.89% conversion..no me a culpa of the origin of the question.He was non committal on his QB ,”obviously kap is an extremely talented and you need a talented q.b to win.he also said that fife red “I was also impressed with how Blaine played this year ..”after the PC he confirmed he didn’t try to reach out for kapernick..he. Was happy with Sam ..staytuned

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 21, 2016 11:56 am

Browns, Cowboys and 49ers are all drafting QBs. Goff, Wentz & Lynch will all go in the top 7 picks with the Rams possible jumping in front of San Fran to get one.

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 12:13 pm

I disagree that Cowboys are Drafting a QB early,
I believe they go the Free-Agency Route and look to add RG3 or Johnny Football once they are released…

Browns at #2 are definitely Selecting the Top QB Jared Goff
Cowboys at #4 are likely to go after the Best DL or WR or DB
(DB Jalen Ramsey along with last Years Top Pick Byron Jones gives the Cowboys a Pair of Young Studs in their Secondary for Years to come)
49ers at #7 are the Wildcard.. – If Kelly really believes that he can Win with Kaepernick, then they may look to trade back or go Select a Top OL or RB or WR as they do have Back-Up Gabbert under Contract for a Cheap $2.25 Million thru 2016 (Remember that Gabbert played for Missouri in their Spread, Up Tempo Offense with great success so playing for Kelly will be something he’s comfortable with)

Rams at #15 need a Qb and Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook are very Solid Picks here middle of the 1st Round… The biggest and legitimate knock on Carson Wenz is the level of Competition that he played against at the FCS Level .. He did lead N Dakota State to 3 NCAA Championships in a Row so the Guys a Player and a Winner, now whether he can adjust playing fast and smart against NFL Caliber Athletes and Defense’s is something he is going to have to prove as most Young QB’s have to..

Eagles Having #13,#77 & #80 Picks mean they really have to nail #13 as a
Instant Contributor since #77 & #80 Selections will be 3rd Round Picks who will likely need a Year or so to groom before being Starters..
Is Wenz worth a #13 Pick, that’s the Question, are Lyunch, Cook,Wenz, or any of the QB’s that much netter that a Hogan, Hackleburg,Dougherty or Brissett or C Jones who will all be 2nd thru 4th Round Selections ??
Or do you wait until the 2017 Draft where there could be a large Group of
QB’s available in the Draft

mhenski
mhenski
January 21, 2016 12:00 pm

spot on article and assessment denny… people keep mentioning potential with sam and frankly ive never even seen top 15 potential/talent from him when he is on the field ever (except a preseason game)

he stinks and is a loser… if we can get him for 10 or less a year fine, but anything more youre just desperate and clueless. im hopefuly lurie and roseman will say no thanks to him as they are in clean up mode and have no stake in him at qb… admit chip was wrong, wash your hands of this bum. draft responsibly, trade your 1st rounder for a later 1st and 2nd this or a future 1st next year and 2nd rounder this year. get some guards and or tackles

then go WINLESS FOR WATSON!!!!!!!!!!!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 21, 2016 12:11 pm
Reply to  mhenski

How about relinquish their 3rd rounder to move up in the first to ensure they get Notre Dame LT Ronnie Stanley? Then purchase an OG in Free Agency like 49ers Alex Boone or Chiefs Jeff Allen?

mhenski
mhenski
January 21, 2016 12:16 pm

id be in for a trade up for anyone quality. dont know stanley but if he can play guard for a few years until peters hangs em up sure. otherwise nah. peters isnt going anywhere

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 12:19 pm

Not a bad Strategy E0SB,
Most have OT Ronnie Stanley anywhere from #6 (Ravens) to the #10 (Giants)
But with not having a 2nd Rounder already, the Eagles Need more picks in the Top 4 Rounds and Not Less in my Opinion..
If they turned the 13th pick into a mid #20’s with another Pick in the 2nd or 3rd Round, they would probably be better off ..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 21, 2016 12:05 pm

Qb Chistian Hackenberg is only 20 years old from Penn State. I wouldn’t mind the Eagles selecting him but I think he will be gone by the time the Eagles select in the 3rd round but a good chance Cardale Jones is still around. Having a starting QB making less than a million a year will create the cap space to rebuild interior OL and retain their DL players. ( Curry, Cox, & Logan).

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 12:24 pm

No to Hackenburg Please…
I am not sure I ever saw with QB start 45 + Starts at the Collegiate Level and not Improve as Hackenburg didn’t.. He was a better QB at Age 18 then he was the last 2 Seasons… Just way too many stare downs and Int’s and just overall, Poor Pocket Presence for my liking … He reminds my of Mettzenberger of LSU and now the Titans, or even Ryan Mallett who just sit back there slinging it around with little idea of what’s going on around them.

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 21, 2016 1:45 pm

Retaining Bradford (if that is the direction they want to go) will not be as difficult as some have led on. The 25mil number was thrown out when Bradford had all of the leverage with already banking 60 mil from the prior contract and set to make 13 mil in the coming season. As everyone said, it was not in Bradford’s best interest to negotiate at that point so why not throw out a crazy number and see if they bite.

Realistically, Bradford’s contract will be about 18 mil. If you cut Sanchez, Celek, Cooper and Peters (or restructure Peters) then you have enough to pay Bradford and extend Cox. Then you use the increase in cap space to sign Curry and draft picks. You then decide whether you want to sign Thurmond or an offensive Guard in Free agency. You can’t have both so you pick which one you want most. Then you let Thorton and Carrol go. Carrol doesn’t matter because you have Rowe and Thorton isn’t necessary in the 4-3.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
January 21, 2016 2:21 pm

You have it locked down. Then you can still draft a QB every year if you want until you strike oil.

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 3:12 pm

Didn’t Pederson remark about how he’s looking forward to working with
Players that were here when he was here before with AR.. Players and Leaders like B Celek,J Peters,J Kelce and now he’s going to want to Release Celek/Peters to make Cap Space for a Player in Sam Bradford who doesn’t quite fit the mobile,athletic type of QB that Pederson has had his most success with, while in Coaching and for a player that was the previous Coach’s Problem ??? That doesn’t make much sense does it for moving forward?

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 21, 2016 5:44 pm
Reply to  paulman

He also had Sam in that list and said glowing things about him. QB more important so if it meant letting TE, LT go to sign QB, I think he would make that sacrifice.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 21, 2016 2:02 pm

“The 25mil number was thrown out when Bradford had all of the leverage with already banking 60 mil from the prior contract and set to make 13 mil in the coming season.”

And now he has 73 milliion and multiple teams bidding for his services.

His leverage has….um…..what is the word I am looking for….ohh ya….increased.

He’s not going to get 25, but some stupid team is going to throw some cash at the guy. (Probably around 18)

Lets just pray it isn’t the Eagles.

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 21, 2016 2:42 pm

So in trying to insult my rational you agree with my ultimate conclusion (18 mil)…got it. Bold strategy there vincent

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 3:17 pm

Eagle fans are hilarious. So fucking worried about money like its coming out of your pockets. Don’t worry about the damn cap it isn’t your money and teams know how to manipulate the cap. The dumbest shit I read is Bradford sucks but its ok to sign him for 9 million but if its 15-17 million he sucks. Whats the difference he still would be the QB. It makes no sense.

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 21, 2016 3:32 pm

I have gone back and forth on whether I think Bradford should be signed. On one hand, I can’t see you straddling a rookie coach with that kind of cap hit. It will give him no flexibility for other moves and no room for error.

On the other hand, I truly feel the defense has too much quality to start a rebuild. The defense was really hurt by scheme on both sides of the ball.

I can’t wait to see what a Graham, Cox, Logan, Curry front will do in a Jim Schwartz defense. Throw in Hicks manning the middle with Conner as a situational rush man and SAM backer I think the front will be awesome. Our corners are above average and safeties are good. In the right scheme this is a top 10 defense.

You don’t handicap a defense like that with a rookie QB or some retread. You owe it to that kind of defense to have some stability and quality at the QB position and see where it takes you. If you are truly talking about a rebuild then there is no reason to sign any of our defensive FA or extend Cox. What’s the point of having that kind of money tied up on defense while you are grooming a QB for the next 4 years. By the time the QB is ready to win, the defense will all be coming to the end of their contracts.

If you are going to start over, then you do it like Seattle and draft your nucleus in the next few drafts. Personally, I think there is too much talent on this team to do that so I would lean towards signing Bradford. But who the hell knows.

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 5:21 pm

I’m hearing Bradford isn’t going anywhere. The Eagles arent picking up some journeyman QB and hoping to get some QB in the draft. The Eagles have plenty of moves to make to free up plenty of cap space plus sign FA. Money wont be an issue. I personally would love the Eagles to pursue Jermaine Kearse from Seattle. to put on the outside. Hes big, strong and tough.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 21, 2016 5:47 pm
Reply to  daggolden

A likely scenario ,is that the Eagles franchise him ..they’ll th n control his rights or even evaluate a trade scenario to get back there 2nd round pick.Just allowing properties to walk out the door ,is what got Chip shown the door,that’s why Howies got value..In my estimation this makes a lot of sense ,as he’s now Eagles property and you can see how he performs in year two off a serious consecutive knee injury ,and you control draft and trade options at the same time..I don’t sense with an oft injured QB..you need do anymore ,or should..

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 6:51 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

DE, I don’t believe that 1 Player that was ever Franchised was then Traded to bring Value back… Controlling his rights for leverage just hasn’t worked inthe NFL I recents, in fact, in most Franchise Tags, the Players end up moving on the next Seasonand never sign that long term deal that both sides say they wanted… Things tend to be acrimonious between the sides and I sure inPhilly with a QB involved, it would become a major distraction.. If Pederson & Co like him and feel he’s TE QB for now and the Future then they will make him an Offer, if they don’t, then they will move on.. Pederson, Reich & Co are probably not going to lose any Sleep over a Player that is from Kelly’s Regime
They have a clean slate and that’s what they will build on but getting involved long, hotly debated Contract stuff that’s in the press with Bradford, that would last until September is not probably on Pederson’s list..

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 21, 2016 6:56 pm
Reply to  paulman

Pman all valid points..and I get it ..but in my estimation of you can at least have the hammer vs not ,I’m opting to get something rather than zero..

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 5:27 pm

Jermaine Kearse with Matthews and hopefully the development with Aglohor is a nice young receiving corp. I don’t know what Kearse is going to demand but it wont be outrageous and he is a ascending player IMO. Then focus on the oline in the draft. Go with what you got on defense for this draft. Move back in the draft p/u draft picks and go oline. Release Cooper, Celek(time for Trey Burton), Ryan Matthews Ryans etc. Take the cap hit.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 21, 2016 5:51 pm
Reply to  daggolden

If we drop Celek we need a blocking tight end. If Peterson is going to a more power offensive game then we may have to make a move with Jason Kelce…he is a weak link in trying to run the ball with power…

pdiddy
pdiddy
January 21, 2016 6:02 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Yes yes yes Kool, I totally agree with you on Kelce. He is not big enough for that physical part of the game. He is a big reason why we can’t gain a yard when we need it. He doesn’t get enough push. The guards suck too and that’s why short yardage is so hard for the Eagles. Great point Kool

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 21, 2016 5:51 pm

I’d rather pay 20 million in one year than commit to multiple years at 35 .If he’s great ,that’s fine ,if he’s mediocre ,I’ve established he’s not worth long term $$ ..and if he gets hurt,it’s a win ,win..

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 6:40 pm

Kelce will be fine. Its a myth with Kelce. Hes the same player that blew open holes for Shady when shady was destroying defenses. Heres something that will help the guards and Kelce. The defense wont be calling out the damn plays because Chip isn’t running the same damn 2 run plays. Heres another thing that will help Klce and the guards maybe when the defense stacks 8 in the box Bradford will be able to audible out of terrible plays. He will probably be told to put on some wt this off-season just like I’m hearing Graham is about to do. Kelce is way down the list of olineman that need to be relaced, 4th to be exact.

pdiddy
pdiddy
January 21, 2016 7:26 pm
Reply to  daggolden

Kelce weighs 282, he’s to small dammit

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 8:12 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

Double teams pdiddy. There isn’t a center in the NFL pushing around them stud DT by themselves. I don’t care who they are. Is there a center in the NFL pushing Cox around by themselves? Hell no. So theres no bid deal if he weighs 290 or 300 really.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 21, 2016 7:07 pm

Dags points illustrate the issues that altered the evaluation process of Sam ,in chips iron clad system.One of the very first reason Chip the snake oil salesman fed us as fans ,was SAMs ability and razor sharp decisiveness..yet he wasn’t allowed or trusted to audible.It also didn’t allow for proper alignments ,and did not do his inferior line any good.The minimal play selections and lining up fixated on running the play called ,had a domino effect ..all the way to running. Only out of one formation ,which absolutely hindered an already makeshift O line..Not having a goal line package,didn’t help pad any stats for his QB ..It was almost sabotage…sign Demarco ,and run him from a formation ,he’s not comfortable ,behind a line that n ends hold blocks that millisecond that in a tight formation with Sam under center ,might have at best been another option,and look ,to present..How do you evaluate that ,and say you’re certain ..of its efficacy ?

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 10:07 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

That’s Chip’s way of Calling a Game, He Calls the Plays not his QB’s which is why he was not able to always Recruit and Land Blue-Chip HS QB Prospects even though he was a high profile Coach at a Succesful Programs..
Kids want and need to learn how to call, change Plays as they develop if they want to get to the NFL and be Succesful..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 21, 2016 7:16 pm

No thanks, Dag on Jermaine Kearse. Birds bought a Seahawk last year and he stinks ( Byron Maxwell ) Those Seahawks can stay in Washington.

daggolden
daggolden
January 21, 2016 8:06 pm

EOS judge Maxwell next year when Schwartz puts him in a better situation to succeed. Maxwell wont be asked to play man to man 90 plays a game. He will play zone. He wont be asked to play that ridiculous outside technique with no help. The dline will be bringing the heat and attacking not reading and reacting. One last thing EOS Kearse is a damn stud who wont break the bank.

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 10:00 pm
Reply to  daggolden

Kearse has already stated that he will not be giving any “Hometown Discount” to Seattle as he’s been the Good Soldier on the cheap and is looking for a big deal.. I don’t think there are a lot of WR’s this Free-Agency so he is probably going to cash in from Somebody.. could be the 49ers who have the need and the $$$ and would love to sign away a Seahawk if they could..

daggolden
daggolden
January 22, 2016 5:47 am
Reply to  paulman

Paulman I heard that to but he was making 2.3 this year. He had 49 catches for 685 yards and 5 tds. He is perfect for his upside and cant command that much. 5 years 40 million with 20 million guaranteed is the lottery ball for him. He isn’t a 7 year 90 million guy. He is perfect and affordable if you believe the 26 year old is on the rise.

daggolden
daggolden
January 22, 2016 5:48 am
Reply to  daggolden

Now AJeffery is a different story. He will demand a D Bryant AJ Green contract but not Kearse.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 21, 2016 7:24 pm

Going to snow 18 inches this week in Philly. How much snow is Carolina getting for this NFC championship game?

paulman
paulman
January 21, 2016 9:53 pm

Charlotte is along that Southern cusp of the Storm and may get 3-6″ which is a lot for them.. They may also get 1/2″-1″ of Ice which is not good and will likely knock down tree limbs & power out which would be worse than the Snow
Then it’s supposed to be Mid-up 40’s Sun & Monday so field will likely be in real bad shape and may take the outside speed that the Cardinals Receivers have

I am up inthe Blue Ridge Mtns about 100 Miles North/Northwest of Charlotte in elevations of 3,000-4,000 Feet and we are expecting about 10-16″ of Snow between Friday & Sat .. We are used to Snow in the High Country of NC and average about 40-50″ of Snowfall a Winter with 4-5 Ski Places up here ..
Charlotte and 85% of NC does not get much snow so it will be a mess Fri/Sat
It looks like the I-81/Shenadoah Valley of Central/Northern Va right up to Harrisburg/Scranton will get hit the hardest with 2 Feet + of Snow possible

mhenski
mhenski
January 22, 2016 9:59 am
Reply to  paulman

Pretty sure he was asking about the NFC championship game not where you live, not a boone, nc geography lesson, how many ski resorts are in NC, how much snow you average, what your elevation is. nor the weather forecast from north carolina to scranton. he asked only about NFC championship game. guess thats what happens when someone who doesnt talk to people in real life answers a simple question

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 21, 2016 11:55 pm

“when you complete 65% of your passes you can play.”

Some “can play” Qbs between 64 and 66% over the past 3 years:

Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Orton, Mark Sanchez, Josh McCown, Nick Foles, and Sam Bradford.

65 is AVERAGE in today’s NFL dolt.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 12:01 am

AND the absolute best: (after quoting a bunch of stats – not stats he himself researched – numbers are hard for today’s high school students – ones he cut and pasted from a local newspaper because he laps up anything published by a “writer”)

“I’ll take the facts and leave the cliches to others”

After spending the past 3 years screaming….absolutely preaching from the mountaintop…..”STATS ARE USELESS” while constantly repeating nothing but irrelevant TV host cliches about guys having “it” and “potential” and a ton of other shit.

Now he’s on hear pleading his pathetic case with completion %age.

Brilliant. Like I said Kooltwit, time to politician up because you are talking out of both sides of your mouth daily now.

BTW – no doubt he’s at 65%. Easy to build up that %age completing 267 straight 3 yard hooks down 20 points late in the 4th Q and the entire defensive backfield 20 yards deep playing prevent.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 9:38 am

The final nail in the Bradford coffin.

Please, if you are one of the “sign Bradford” group, you may want to look away. Because this isn’t very positive for your boy.

Sam bradford, I have been told, “improved” all year and posted decent numbers. Why? Because he’s Padmystatsford and got to look good in 3 blowout losses and a final game where the opponent didn’t even try.

The numbers??? Devastating.

Over the last drives of 3 BLOWOUT losses to Dallas, Cards and Washington….in every case Eagles down by more than 17 late in the 4th. Results:

Padmystatsford went 24 of 32 for 302yrds and 3 tds.

In less than 2% of his time on the field Bradford parlayed this garbage time action to 7% of his completions, 8% of his yards and 16% of his pathetic 19 tds.

Yuck. He’s pumping out numbers when the game is over.

Now…add in the useless end of season Giants game (Perhaps his best of the year of course). What do we get??

54 of 70 (77%) for 622 yrds and 5 tds.

LOL. Late in the 4th and in a useless game where the other team had quit and Padsford looks like a superstart!!!

In what amounts to 7% of his time on the field (all with the opponent already celebrating or in the lockerroom) Padsfors accumulated 15% of his completions, 17% of his yards and a ridiculous 26% of his tds.

Again, in 7% of his garbage time he had 15% of his completions, 17% of his yards and 25% of his TDs.

PadmystatslikeJayCutler Loser.

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 22, 2016 10:23 am

Vinnie, we all get it, you don’t like Bradford and think it would be a huge mistake to sign him. Stats, for all intents and purposes, are useless as they can be manipulated a million ways to prove points.

I think the biggest issue I have always had with your evaluation of Bradford is that in your opinion, if he is not a top 10 QB he is garbage and not worth signing. I agree he is not a top 10 QB but don’t agree that anyone below the top 10 is garbage. You mention guys like Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Teddy Bridgewater when drawing a comparison for Bradford. I don’t totally disagree that Bradford is in that ilk of QBs. However, each of those QBs are guys that their teams committed to and will try to win with. In this league you don’t need Brady, Rodgers, Luck, Big Ben, etc to win a Super Bowl.

That is one way to do it, but not the only way. You can also get a guy that is in the 10-15 range and surround him with the right scheme and players. Frankly, that is the more realistic option as guys like Brady come around once in a generation.

The risk of drafting someone and banking on that guy to be your starting QB is that there are way more failures at the QB position than success stories. I fully support taking changes on guys, but with the defense we have in place already, I think it is too much of a risk to waste that talent with a potential (highly likely) bust at the QB position. That is why I lean towards signing Bradford.

Then again, if things take a turn for the worse and Bradford gets hurt or doesn’t continue showing signs of improvement, than that one move alone will likely sink the Doug Peterson experiment. That is why I go back and forth on the right thing to do. If Peterson swings with Bradford and misses, we will likely be looking for a new coach in three years.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 11:09 am

I find it interesting that you write:

“In this league you don’t need Brady, Rodgers, Luck, Big Ben, etc to win a Super Bowl.”

When in fact all those guys have won Super Bowls!

(‘Cept Luck of course…and I am not sure why you put him in there…I’ve been saying for several years I think that guy is overrated – but anyway put Brees in that list instead.

You can’t write you don’t need those guys to win a SB when in fact those are the guys who’ve been dominating the SB parade for the past decade.

“You can also get a guy that is in the 10-15 range and surround him with the right scheme and players.”

No. You can’t. That’s just not true anymore.

Sure Dilfer’s comet comes around once every 15 years or so….but if that’s what you’re counting on, you are going to be left at the Altar 99.9% of the time.

You need a superstar Qb…or…at the very least a guy who for an 8-10 game stretch plays like one (Eli, Flacco)

Bradford doesn’t have that in him. His turtles under pressure and teases you when it doesn’t matter (preseason, blowout losses etc)

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 22, 2016 11:25 am

Oddly enough, we partly agree here. The top guys dominate the SB no question. But the issue is that the odds of landing one of those guys is not great. That is why you see teams commit to guys like Cutler and Tannehill and Alex Smith. The hope is that they are surrounded by enough talent to win and/or catch fire at the right time. When Seattle won, Wilson was not playing like a top 10 QB. He is now, but not when they won. So, we have guys in recent history that are not perennial top 10 QBs that were either in the SB or won the SB.

Where we differ is I think Bradford, given the right situation, can be like Flacco, Manning, etc. Whereas you do not. I would never argue that Bradford is or will ever be a top QB. However, I think the odds of finding the next top QB are not great. So I would rather get a guy who is good, surround him with the scheme and talent to give you a chance and hope he catches fire. To me, that is the less risky way to proceed, especially when you have a very solid foundation on defense.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 22, 2016 11:40 am

The basis of your dilemma ,are all of ours.We aren’t ignorant to the fact ,that Sam hasn’t shown ,other than at Oklahoma that winning precedes his name in a sentence.Winnng is instinctual in some guys ,and. Sam has been the poster boy of mediocrity..”just a guy” with asterisks always followed by what ifs..I still take the positives n that howie and the organization should franchise him ,to take and seize control and then enable his rights to allow for the flexibility ,they’d lose ,otherwise..if somebody in the league wants him so badly ,let them pony up ,otherwise ,let him play,motivated by a one year deal ,and mentor him in a new system ,more suited to his skill sets..my contention has always been that Vinnie ,myself and others were somewhat diluted in our opinions of what we saw last year.Moments and flashes ,but no ,sustainability..that’s irrefutable

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 11:49 am

I know what those teams hope. I know what they have their fingers and toes crossed for. I know they talk themselves into scrubs like Cutler, Fitzpatrick but deep down they all know what is going to happen. How it will end.

And I also get that it is difficult findint those guys. There has to be a perfect storm of ability, smarts, great coaching, smarts, moxie, smarts, guts and samrts. Toss in a bit of luck too.

Most guys wash out.

But I would prefer the Eagles do everything in their pwer to get that guy anyway. And not some 4th round “project” A stud.

Bradford is just…..bleh. One of those cross your fingers guys…maybe….amybe…when everyone knows its an 8-8 fest for the next 3 years….and IF (big if) he makes it into a big playoff game….really? Really? Bradford.

Raise your hands if you think Bradford is putting a team on his back and driving them 80 yards for the winning score in the SB. Hell in the wild card round. Hell in a big reg season game on the road. That he’s “that guy”.

While I can see Koolbreeze waving his arms frantically at the back of the class, not suprisingly, no one else has their hand up. “cause deep down everyone knows he’s just blech.

I am not fine with blech.

As for our “solid foundation” on D??

Are you sure? Haven’t we been ranked 30, 31, 32 or something over the past 3 years? That’s not all Billy Davis (a lot but not all). The D “looked good” early….against Fitzpatrick before London, against Weeden, against 1st half Cousins, against Tannehill without a coach…..I dunno….I am not as convinced.

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 22, 2016 1:07 pm

Honestly, I have no idea if Bradford can do that. I did see him put together a nice drive in overtime against Dallas in what was, at that time of the season, a huge must win game. Dallas’ defense wasn’t tops in the league but it wasn’t awful. Beyond stats, I have also seen Bradford move well in the pocket avoid pressure, put the ball on guys hands only to be dropped, and make the correct read given what the scheme dictated. That stuff doesn’t always show up in the stat sheet.

I think with Bradford you don’t know, but you also don’t know about a rookie. I’ve seen a more from Bradford and that to me, means he is worth the risk. That is exactly why “experts” thinks Houston wants him.

As far as the defense, yes I do think we have a great foundation. Defensive stats were skewed because of time of possession and how many drives the defense had to face (i.e. total defense is measured in yards which teams had more of because they had more drives against us).

I think the defense was hindered by the scheme on BOTH sides of the ball. Kelly’s offensive did the defense no favors and the 3-4 scheme just didn’t put our best players on the field enough. Instead of seeing more Vinny Curry rushing the passer, we saw Kiko Alonso missing tackles.

I’d bet money that next year with the Jim Schwartz 4-3 front of Curry, Cox, Logan and Graham we will be a top 10 defense.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 1:23 pm

“Honestly, I have no idea if Bradford can do that. ”

Yes you do.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 12:03 pm

Mike Vrabel turned down the DC position for the 49ers. Who needs the aggravation of preparing a defense to take up the slack of Chip’s offense.

paulman
paulman
January 22, 2016 12:13 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Reports are that Current Eric Mangini is not real excited about remaining the 49ers DC as Coaching a Defense for Kelly is almost a No-Win Situation

mhenski
mhenski
January 22, 2016 12:15 pm
Reply to  paulman

Whose reports said that? Can you post a source bc I’m pretty sure u just made that up.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 12:09 pm

Eagles hoping for deals with Curry, Johnson and Ertz this offseason

Posted by Darin Gantt on January 22, 2016, 11:01 AM EST

Now that they’re all on the same page — even if they’re not all “football guys” — the Eagles seem to have a coherent plan of attack.

According to Eliot Shorr-Parks of NJ.com, the Eagles have “prioritized getting new contracts done” with a trio of young players: Offensive tackle Lane Johnson, tight end Zach Ertz and defensive end Vinny Curry.

They’ve already made a contract offer to Curry, and the other two are viewed as central to their plans under new coach Doug Pederson and once-again-in-charge Howie Roseman, with the reported hope that deals can be done “sooner rather than later.”

Keeping Curry will be significant with the switch to a 4-3 defense under new coordinator Jim Schwartz, while the other two also fill clear long-term needs.

Curry was probably miscast in Chip Kelly’s 3-4, and this should give him a chance to improve on his sack totals.

With Jason Peters aging and having a hard time staying on the field, Johnson’s ability to play left tackle gives them a solid foundation piece if they let Peters walk. And considering the production of Travis Kelce in Kansas City, it figures that Ertz’s numbers should go up as well.

Curry’s set to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason, while Johnson and Ertz are entering the final years of their rookie deals.

mhenski
mhenski
January 22, 2016 12:13 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Sounds like our gm is doing the responsible things… Unlike chip this is a gm who has a clue. Shit chip thought he wasn’t allowed to negotiate with players mid season.

So for the crew that cries about roseman, stop he is a major upgrade from chip.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 12:24 pm

Let Bradford walk, trade Lane Johnson, Ryan Matthews, and a future #1 to the Titans for the #1 Pick in the draft. Draft Laramy Tunsil at #1, and Paxton Lynch with the #13 pick

Trade Kiko Alonso, and Connor Barwin for more draft picks in the 3rd,& 4th rds

Make a deal for a 2nd round pick, and trade down for even more picks throughout the draft.

Trade Josh Huff, Taylor Hart, Riley Cooper, and a roll of Toilet paper, to Chip for whatever we can get…..

Bradford , I don’t mind but not at anything above $8-9 million a year; He isn’t worth $25 million

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 22, 2016 12:52 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

GMCliff – have you changed your mind about Jacoby Brissett?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 3:28 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Not at all Irish…

But I do acknowledge that he isn’t as highly regarded by others as to myself, and he can be had in the 3rd, or 4th….I don’t flip flop on my selected prospects..

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 22, 2016 3:38 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

GMCliff, I know you stick with your picks. I was just wondering if you feel Brissett fell off the Eagles board because of the change in offensive systems?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 8:36 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Oh I don’t know Irish if he is on the Eagles board…

I just mention players that I deem special enough to be considered to be drafted by the Eagles. My standard s are higher than the Eagles front office.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 8:37 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Brissett really reminds me of a Bigger Randall Cunningham.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 9:44 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

He reminds me of a poor mans Donovan McNabb.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 2:50 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Either = eventually better than Bradford, or Sanchez

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 22, 2016 12:58 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

except no team trades their number one overall for a future #1 and 2 expensive players… there is that little obstacle…oops
except it would be stupid for a team that is probably for sale trading for two expensive players…oops
what is the deal for a 2nd round pick!

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
January 22, 2016 2:12 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff, that is not enough to get the 1 pick IMO. Especially is Johnson is as bad as you say he his (which most disagree with).

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 22, 2016 2:33 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

plus as been indicated on here by me several times– teams don’t trade high picks (cheap) for expensive established players– cliff lives in a fantasy world and will actually end up saying something like — ‘if the eagles were smart like me and traded for the number 1 pick (BTW without including 13) ….”

paulman
paulman
January 22, 2016 2:34 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Titans will take LT Laramy Tunsil with their #1 Pick and have a 10 Year Starting LT to protect their Franchise QB Mariota for years to come, then they move Tyler Lewan to RT where he’s better suited and they have Book-ends for the next Decade who happen to be on their Rookie Deals too
Why in the world would the Titans Trade the #1 Overall pick for what that above Offer listed by Cliff… Makes no sense..

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 3:38 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

It may not be Bugs, but what I’m thinking is to minimize the big long range contracts against the cap with Cox, Curry, Ertz, and Johnson coming up.

Lane Johnson, to me isn’t physical enough at the point of attack. He’s more of a finesse blocker, and a little better than average, – but not that much better IMO – AND HE CAN BE UPGRADED…..by a prospect who IS – Tunsil ..

I feel a better talent can be found in the draft to play RT. But in the meantime, I would be replacing Lane Johnson with Laramy Tunsil at RT, until Peters is ready to move on….then the PROSPECT drafted to actually play RT – for me is LeRaven Clark – would be ready to step in along with the Guards I wan in the draft Vadal Alexander, and Denver Franklin…

I want a PHYSICAL Offensive Line to dominate the tranches, and protect whoever is the QB…..

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 22, 2016 7:03 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Answer the real question why would Tennessee give up a franchise type of OT (your words) who is cheap for an expensive OT who is soft (your words), an injury prone and expensive back and some future number one (which the eagles would NEVER give… Why?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 8:24 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

There is no guarantee that they would take Tunsil anyway.

A lot of mocks have the Titans selecting Joey Bosa.

It’s all about value in the eyes of the teams. I don’t think much of Lame, but they may

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 8:30 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

They may also value Lames experience in the league, and be comfortable with what they would be getting in him.

We’re not looking to be petty today again are we Ciggy. Do you know for sure that they wouldn’t be interested in Lame??…No you don’t…..so why question it?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 22, 2016 9:10 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Ask yourself one question… It’s simple… If you were the titans GM would you approve such a stupid trade? Would you spend all that money? Older players? You are a draft pick Gm cliff… You want draft picks, you want guys young… You would never approve of this trade if you were the titans…EVER

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 9:28 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Stranger things have happened….

Someone’s GM offered Nick Foles, and a 2nd Rounder for Sam Bradford……..who would have thought??….Some GM gave the Eagles a 3rd rounder for Bryce Brown. That same GM thought EJ Manuel was a 1st round talent…….shrugging my shoulders….

If I were the GM of the Titans I wouldn’t but I wouldn’t put my team in a position to have the #1 pick either. Some teams may be just that desperate, and I would definitely try to take advantage of them.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 22, 2016 9:31 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Cliff… Plain English, yes or no answer… I just bought the titans, I can afford them but I need to be fiscally responsible… I hired you as GM… I need to trust your judgement and I want to back you.., do you as my GM recommend that trade.,, one word answer

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 2:39 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I answered your question…

If I were the GM of the Titans I wouldn’t but I wouldn’t put my team in a position to have the #1 pick either.

But it wouldn’t be that simple, as I referenced to you before…..They may see some value in it – which you don’t know if they do, or if they don’t – which makes what seems logical to you may not to them.

All teams, and Front Office Management want to be smart in their decision making, but they are at the bottom of the league for a reason. Which means they have made some bad decisions.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2016 7:44 am
Reply to  haveacigar

But if they agree with your opinion (and they do) you will still criticize the eagles for not doing it…if tho it’s an absolutely stupid trade for the titans… Silly and stupid

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 10:42 am
Reply to  haveacigar

My opinion has always been for the Eagles to be aggressive in building a championship team.

I’ve only criticized the Eagles in their talent evaluation – which even you can defend – has been poor which has led them to where they are – bad decisions in talent has led to desperation to compensate through free agency.

They have to draft better talent consistently EVERY year; Building a Championship Team through the draft.

So you think they have drafted well, and are beyond being criticized???…I don’t -not in the very least.

A lot of posters on here are too gullibly optimistic, and you look, and sound naïve doing it. Please don’t expect me to be that way.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 10:46 am
Reply to  haveacigar

You know Ciggy, for once, I would like to here your idea on how to improve the team, and the level of talent. Or are you also gullibly optimistic in your belief that Brandon Graham, Connor Barwin, and Lame Johnson will lead us to the promise land???

Instead of criticizing my approach, tell me what would yours be……

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2016 2:03 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

My ideas in the draft are simple…draft an OL every year…. Don’t reach but draft one… Only sign one or two mid level FA …draft a QB every couple of years, work with him see where it goes it it’s bad show case him a bit and try to recoup a pick…. Never trade away a pick for a player….
I don’t propose trades that are imbecilic the way you do…. A team would never trade the number one pick for what you propose… So why throw it out there and the worst part is that you somehow will hold the eagles responsible when hey don’t
Oh and since we are proposing trades… I want to give Seattle my 5th round pick for Russell Wilson…

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 5:02 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

and so you think will improve the team huh???

What if your O-Lineman isn’t any good??…It’s nice to draft a Lineman, but you don’t just pick any Lineman. You say don’t reach, but that is exactly what you would be doing by just picking one that obviously doesn’t have the ability to make the team…It doesn’t work like that…..but you call me an imbecilic????

The Eagles did that under Andy Reid, and we end up getting the Julian Vandervelde’s, Mike McGlynn, Mike Gibson and Dennis Kelly’s.

Drafting a QB every other year, I ask the same question. What if he isn’t any good. That’s a draft pick that you didn’t have to waste with your improving the team philosophy……

Most GM, will use the phrase take the best player available regardless of position. Which means you may not draft an O-Lineman, or a QB those years your philosophy says draft one anyway…again because it doesn’t work the way you see it….That’s just dumb.

As far as the trade. I disagree. That offer may not even be necessarily for the Titans. The Titans, may be looking at Joey Bosa. Which means the Browns will be taking Jared Goff, with the next pick belonging to the Chargers, who could use Tunsil, but may value a young, 25 year old Lane Johnson, as opposed to a lesser experienced rookie.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 5:06 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

And what do you mean, “somehow will hold the eagles responsible when hey don’t”….What are you talking about?

I’ve only been critical of the Eagles for not being aggressive enough in getting the players they need, and whiffing on the players they should have drafted.

What are you talking about?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2016 5:41 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

What I’m talking about is when the eagles don’t make your preposterous trade you will say… ‘If they had been aggressive and….didn’t make the trade”. You are full of shit… If course not all picks work out…neither would all of yours but you have to have an influx of talent at the OL position …
You never think they draft well… You don’t know anything. You say Johnson and ertz are no good….

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 6:57 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

You will never find one post from me ever criticizing the Eagles for not making any trades that I purposed. All that is in your mind, and just you being ridiculously, and unjustifiably critical for no reason.

Being aggressive doesn’t mean doing it in a way that I would, but making an effort to go after the more superior prospects – not the garbage we’ve been getting the last few years.

You’re correct, not every prospect does work out including the ones that I mock, yet the prospects I mock have been a lot more consistent I achieving success than the Eagles, and any that you, or anyone else on GCobb would suggest. That really doesn’t need to be defended; Its common knowledge.

Also do me a favor, when I talk to you, I speak with respect, so don’t curse at me. You may not agree with the things I say, – and you’re welcome to that, I don’t care – but there is no reason for you to curse at me for something stupid like that.

My selections have been boss brother. If you can’t see that, then I’m sorry you feel that way, but I look forward to speaking to a more mature Ciggy….

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2016 7:01 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

So using the curse word ‘shit’ is now a crime? Jesus Christ cliff that’s dumb….

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 24, 2016 6:45 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

LOL,he who makes terrorist threats is requesting civility, bwahahahahaahaha. How about those who want civility start with validity and stop LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 1:36 pm

Cliff, Carson Wentz will be a better QB than Lynch. If the Eagles go QB…Wentz should be the guy as Goff will be off the board already. I watched Lynch at the Linc this year against Temple. The owls D confused the hell out of him and make him look like he had no idea how to read a defense. Wentz uses his ability more effectively than Lynch

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 22, 2016 3:22 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

EHL, I remember last year at this time you had Jared Goff first on the list, and Cardale Jones was a very close second.

GMCliff had Jacoby Brissett.

it’s amazing how these young guys can regress in one season…

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 3:42 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

and I am still high on Jacoby Brissett, and he hasn’t regressed….

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 4:06 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish…Jared Goff is still # 1 on my list but as I stated to Cliff he will be off the board by 13 so why would I say the Eagles should take him…that would not make sense. If he is there then he is my first choice. As far as Cardale is concerned love the skill and physical ability but I question his desire to be a student of the game. Once you see and learn things about players it can sway your opinion…it happens all the time. Only a fool sticks to an opinion when they start to learn game and mind changing information about players.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 22, 2016 4:48 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

EHL – I’m not trying to bust anybody’s balls about their projections, I’m just trying to understand.

I respect both you and GMCliff when it comes to player evaluation. I’ve looked at enough mock drafts from both of you guys to know that you are both good at picking talent

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 22, 2016 6:26 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I think your conversations with koolbreeze have put you in a foul and unpleasant mood, EHL….

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 7:55 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Hey Irish, thanks for recognizing the talent eval skills..simply from watching tons of college ball. I was in a foul mood but it was rooted in something else..just came to gcobb to vent…Kool is always good for some back and forth sniping…after re-reading his post I realized he wasn’t attacking my machismo, but my stance on some positions..or I guess he feels a lack there of. I just took it the wrong way. It’s all good, he and I will get into other bantering sessions..he disagrees with my philosophy of how the Eagles should go about approaching the future as I disagree with his .

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 3:42 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I ear you Eagle, and I respect your opinion of him, and we will see..

But keep in mind, after the draft you did state to me I was wrong in my opinion of Nelson Agholor as well – but I was correct…..

So what I’m saying is that, I don’t know if Wentz is better or not, but don’t be so hasty in judgement…..It may not turn out like that.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 8:06 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Are you sure about that Cliff, I wasn’t an Agholor guy, the guy I liked (Kevin White)got hurt and did not do much this past year because of the injury. I never put Agholor on my talent list that we post every year…I did like Amari Cooper and told you that you were wrong about him..that I remember!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 22, 2016 8:17 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Yeah bruh, I’m absolutely sure. After the draft many including yourself were stating that I shouldn’t be negative about the selection of Agholor, because he was going to be good, and possibly as good, or better than Maclin…..

My response was no he wasn’t….and he proved that..

He has talent, but I think he is a complimentary receiver, and a very special KR…

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 9:19 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff, you got me confused with somebody else bruh, I never said he would be better than Maclin, Koolbreeze said that, not me. I absolutely may have said give him a chance, all rookies deserve that, but I never said that he would be better than Mac..just had to reiterate that. You and I went back and forth about Lane Johnson, not Agholor, I never wanted the Eagles to draft him .

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 22, 2016 10:23 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

“Well I said he should be given a chance”…same old lame ass stuff from EHL!
He doesn’t take much of a position until later in the game. A waffler hiding with no position…and then after the fact…he becomes the perfect “Monday morning QB” with tall tales and pontificating analysis..

The real deal on Agholor was that he could provide some production that would adequately lessen the blow of losing Maclin who through out his career has been injury prone and soft. Look at the last KC playoff game and where was Maclin…on the bench unable to tough it out in a must win game…

Maclin is soft, a good player, fast, nice hands, nice size…small heart

Agholor still has a chance to be a better player than Maclin in the long run…with Greg Smith coaching him he may run better routes…he has cut on a dime running ability that should make him much better next year…

Give Bradford a full pre-season to work with the kid and get in better synch…he should have a better year!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 2:45 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

No bruh, I’m sorry I’m not…

You stated to me that I was wrong about Agholor, and that we got a good player – and I begged to differ …I never talked to Kool about that….

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 23, 2016 12:42 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

If you remember what story it was under tell me so I can find it. Everyone knows I am fine with a mea culpa,I just do not recall that. I want to see what you allege I said. As I stated I know we disagreed on Amari Cooper . Amari played how I expected him to this year. You did not believe he was an impactful player. For the record I was not an Agholor fan coming into the draft that is why I am having a hard time with what you say I said, I was not impressed with him during preseason or the season so I can’t imagine why I would say that. Agholor had 1 good preseason game and his impact in the future is yet to be determined. I never said he was better than Mac, you have to prove that one to me bruh.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 22, 2016 1:40 pm

Just saying…what if as some of us were right all along and stated chip was so smitten with untested go powers and he even sold lurie on giving up a non conditional 2nd ..and he struck dirt.All in his lust andcraving for MM. How would they value Bradford upstairs? Knowing that scenario?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 22, 2016 2:41 pm

wouldn’t it be ironic if chip sent foles and a 2 to rams and he ends up with him in SF…. and for some reason SF actually makes a run with him… that could be funny— not funny haha but funny as in ‘why am i an eagles fan’

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 4:07 pm

Real problem with too many of these QBs this year is they dont have enough experience (for my liking)

Bissett is only a 2 year starter (stay away!)
Lynch has had one good year (stay away of 1 hit wonders!)

Neither meets the 26-27-60 rule (26 on Wonderlick, 27 starts, 60% completion % for career)

And in fact, in today’s pass happy football world, I might want to see 26-27-65 (or close) actually. Its not a perfect system (ex Cam Newton failed, Gabbert passed….even Sam Bradford passed!) but its better than “I think that guy is good”

So….which of this year’s crop passes the test (obv hard to know as they haven;t administered the wonderlick yet) but are there any top candidates with over 37 starts and 60% (or higher) comp % out there this year?

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 4:11 pm

On top of that Parcells also always stressed:

The QB must be a senior (mature)
The QB must have graduated (smart and takes life seriously)
The QB must have been a 3 year starter (experience)
The QB must have had 23 or more wins (winner)

These tie in very closely to the 26 (smart) 27 (experience) 60 (accurate) rule.

Again….who meets the criteria this year?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 4:16 pm

Carson Wentz is a 3 year starter..4.0 GPA and has had a winning record in all 3 season he has started. Yes he played against inferior competition but so did Ben Roth and Joe Flacco.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 4:22 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Y he seems to be the more intriguing guy…again, I’ll emoji more later.

paulman
paulman
January 22, 2016 4:22 pm

Goff & Wenz, Hogan & Hackenburg are 3 Year Starters.. Maybe Dak Prescott of Mids State also.. These kids develop faster, play the Spread & Pistol Formations at High Schools and the ones that go to Big Power Conferences are playing on Teams and Coach’s who typically are under the gun to Win now so a lot of Teaching, Reading Defenses, Calling Audibles, learning your Craft as a QB many times becomes limited.. Or these QB’s are well versed in one type of system but not another…
I kind of like Kevin Hogan of Stanford because he’s a Winner,Tough,Smart and a Good Leader, I don’t think he’s quite athletic or has a big enough NFL arm to be a top flight Starter anytime soon but would make a nice #2/Back-Up-Spot Starter and on the right type of Team (heavy Rushing attack) could be effective

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 22, 2016 4:20 pm

Note: almost no one stays for their senior year anymore, which is sad

Goff
Junior 🙁
Starts 37 🙂
Comp% 63 🙂
Wins 14 🙁
TD/Int 96 30 🙂

Lynch
Junior 🙁
Starts 38 🙂
Comp % 63 🙂
Wins 22 🙁
TD/Int 59/23 🙁

Have to head out….do more later. I don;t think its a very impressive crop of QBs this year and would probably prefer the Eagles using their first on an OT and getting a QB in the top 10 (5??) next year.

daggolden
daggolden
January 22, 2016 4:28 pm

Eagle fans talking about reaching for these mediocre college QBs. lol. The odds of hitting on bonafide top QB prospects aren’t great now Eagle fans want to draft the Bradon Weedens of the 2016 draft and cross there fingers. My god we are the Clleveland Browns now. The top QBs left are all #1 picks in the draft minus Brady who was a once in a lifetime pick with Russell Wilson also being a once in 20 years pick. None of these QBs are even better then Teddy Bridgewater and he sucks.

mhenski
mhenski
January 22, 2016 4:50 pm
Reply to  daggolden

slow and methodical imo is the right play… sign the bum bradford, let sanchez start, bring in chase daniels and its all the same – we will be awful next year. so i vote just let the worst cheapest guy start. hopefully next year watson continues to shine and you get him

daggolden
daggolden
January 22, 2016 5:30 pm

Eagles trying to extend Ertz, Lane Johnson and resign Vinny Curry is the word.

daggolden
daggolden
January 22, 2016 5:30 pm

Is being reported

daggolden
daggolden
January 22, 2016 5:32 pm

Ertz is the least important. Curry and Johnson are more of a priority than Ertz. You win on the LOS. Curry being a FA is top priority with Ertz and LJ still being under contract

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 22, 2016 9:45 pm

Eric Mangini has been terminated from the 49ers. God I hope Chip hires Billy Davis.

paulman
paulman
January 23, 2016 8:35 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

No surprise as Mangini/Kelly are very close at all..
LB Coach of Texans & former Patriots Mike Vrabel Turned down the 49ers DC Job too..
Do you ever notice Whoever is close to Belicheck is a friend of Chip Kelly
Whoever is not (Mangini, Roseman) is not….

paulman
paulman
January 23, 2016 8:37 am
Reply to  paulman

Should be “Mangini/Kelly are not very close at all”

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2016 10:41 am

My opinion has always been for the Eagles to be aggressive in building a championship team.

I’ve only criticized the Eagles in their talent evaluation – which even you can defend – has been poor which has led them to where they are – bad decisions in talent has led to desperation to compensate through free agency.

They have to draft better talent consistently EVERY year; Building a Championship Team through the draft.

So you think they have drafted well, and are beyond being criticized???…I don’t -not in the very least.

A lot of posters on here are too gullibly optimistic, and you look, and sound naïve doing it. Please don’t expect me to be that way.

richcow
richcow
January 24, 2016 7:07 pm

In round 1, Pick. The. Best. QB. Available. There will be one or two picked before #13. Bradford hamstrings your cap and does not justify the price tag. He could become the next Carson Palmer and have a good latter half of his career, but that is a big “maybe” to spend $25mm per year on. I like Bradford, but I like him at $15MM, not $25.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2016 7:42 pm

The Key to the Panthers D is their Stud DT’s that get constant Pressure and Penetration against opposing Offense’s .. Panthers Rotate 4 DT’s with Star Lotuleile, Kawann Short as their main Players but get contributions from d Edwards and KmLove so they stay fresh and rarin to go
Then they use Speed Rushers on the Outside, so when they go against Pocket QB’s, they have so much success as they collapse the Pocket quickly..
They struggle versus mobile QB’s but Palmer and his lack of mobility plays right into their Hands….