• September 25, 2022

If Grigson Was Such A Great Talent Evaluator, What’s Wrong With Our Drafting

I’ve met former Eagles Director of Personnel and new Indianapolis Colts GM Ryan Grigson, but I have no idea how good he was at his job.  Eagles GM Howie Roseman says Grigson was great.

“Although we will miss Ryan personally and professionally we could not be happier for him. He has been a great advisor to me and somebody I have leaned on to bounce ideas off of many times over my career. He leaves no stone left unturned in his efforts to find good players and we were lucky to have him here in Philadelphia. In addition to his skills as a talent evaluator, we can’t say enough about Ryan as a person. He is one of the best family men I have come across in the NFL and we wish he, Cynthia and his children all the best.”

Roseman went on and on about how great Grigson was.   He was so good that Roseman knew they were going to lose him in the not too distant future.

“We knew this time would come. He was too talented for it not to come. You’re always preparing to lose good people. That’s part of the NFL,” Roseman said. “You know that at some point, they’re going to be taking the next step. So, to say this has blindsided us, that wouldn’t be truthful . . . Obviously, we have some idea of some of the things we’re going to want to do here. Without getting too much into that for now, this is more about Ryan and the great opportunity he has and the great job he’ll do for the Indianapolis Colts.”

I have just one question.

If he was such a great talent evaluator then why have our last two drafts been so horrible. Why can’t they draft any quality defensive players?

Why didn’t they know that we should take Earl Thomas or Jason Pierre-Paul rather than Brandon Graham?  Was it his idea to waste a first round pick on a 26-year old offensive guard?

What or who has been the problem with our drafting the last couple of years?

Am I the only one asking these questions?

GCOBB

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nsidious
nsidious
January 12, 2012 9:44 am

G:

Yes. You’re the only one asking these questions. How could anybody not see your genius?

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 9:51 am

What do you expect GM Roseman to say..
You guys carck me up,.. Do you ever hear a former Boss in the World of Sports trash a guy when they leave for other opportunties… From all reports around the Organization as well as Grigson’s previous time with St Louis Rams before (he worked with them when they won the SUper Bowl) so was his brilliant then and become stupid once workin in Philly…
Also, no matter how well the Scouting Reports and ANalysis are done by the Personnel Dept, who is the one making the final calls on the Selections
(Roseman & Reid) how do we even know that Grigson’s work was being fully utilized and maybe that’s a reason why he took another job to make his own mark.. and 1 last thing, once all the Scouting Reports and Anlysis are done and complete and a player is Drafted, is it not then up to the Coaching Staff and that Player to achieve PLaying time…
Look at some recent Draft Selections who have moved onto other teams in recent seasons and have had some success and lots of these players are Starters on these other teams (Safety Q Demps, OLB C Gocong, OLB A Studebacker, WR B Gibson, MLB J Mays, TE Spach,OG McGlynn, DT Bunley, QB Kolb & Feely) .. These are NFL Players which there only about 1750 Active Players in any given Seasos, that maybe didn’t fit the Eagles Scheme well enough, but none the less are NFL Caliber or they would’nt be playing … Again the media and I am sure fans looking at everything thru the
“Eagles Prism” of things and I am especially disappointed that this view is coming from a former player like G-Man who knows better than all of us of how difficult it is to make and NFL Roster and how many things have to go right to sustain a Career in the NFL..

Rocko
Rocko
January 12, 2012 9:54 am

Because, more than likely he wouldn’t have been credited for his work. I mean he may have had the title as scout evaluator etc, but the control goes between Lurie banner and Reid i m o. I never even heard of the guy until a few days ago on here, and that goes to show you how his work etc if at all good, would of been treated by the organization. I think Howie Roseman being our GM is the same as Castillo to D-coord. No experience in the field, but just handed the job. That 26 year old guard was Reid’s choice G. this guy prolly suggested them to get those picks, but this organization goes through Reid Banner and lurie; simple as that, and we know that watkins was a reid pick more than likely. I wouldn’t offer my ideas to a co-worker only for them to take the credit and a bonus while I get no credit.

Rocko
Rocko
January 12, 2012 9:57 am

I mean this guy grigson prolly suggested to them to get those other picks such as JPP or earl thomas.

EAGLE Co 32
EAGLE Co 32
January 12, 2012 10:03 am

I’m not quite sure why anyone would look at the EAGLES for a front office job. Our drafts have been suspect at best. Drafts picks are hit or miss. You can never measure what is in a mans heart. I just question the direction. What type of team are we? If we knew that maybe we would draft accordingly. It seems like we are always pulling at straws when we move up. Notice our good picks are when we stay put and take the best player available. ie Maclin, Jackson, McCoy

wassssup8705
wassssup8705
January 12, 2012 10:11 am

AMEN

Rocko
Rocko
January 12, 2012 10:22 am

Good stuff Eagle Co 32; I would also add that the front office job starts and stop with the “4 Muskateers”

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 10:34 am

by the way, GM Roseman and Banner sent me an E-mail to forward them a Resume for a possible Interview for Grigson’s Position.. I am going to list G-Cobb posters as Reference’s so some of you may get calls or e-mail’s … Please don’t screw me out of my dream job, and a real plus for everyone, besides bringing a Super Bowl to Philly, is if I get the job, I won’t be posting here any longer for I will have to keep my info/opinions and knowledge in house within the Eagles Organization only… Time’s yours..

ozzman
ozzman
January 12, 2012 10:40 am

Garry always KEEPS IT REAL.

IanIJM
IanIJM
January 12, 2012 10:40 am

What do you expect Roseman to say? “Man, this guy was an IDIOT and we’re sure glad to see him go!” No one ever does that in the world of sports. Also, as I’ve said previously, we don’t really have any clue how much actual power these so-called “player personnel” people at the Eagles have. By all accounts, Reid has the final power and has actually overridden decisions to pick some of these bust players. For all we know, Roseman and this guy Grigson wanted to take players like JPP and Reid was the one who went in the different direction.

I’m inclined to believe that Reid makes the decisions and that these constant reach picks are his. It smacks of Reid’s ego that he would try and look like a genius by grabbing these project guys instead of the sure things. He thinks he can make anyone into a Pro Bowler by putting them into his “system.” Seems to only work for quarterbacks, though, since we seem to be able to get an endless stream of second round picks for stiffs like Feely and Kolb.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 10:46 am

two ways to go with this respone –

1st is – MR Cobb – when you left the NFL – did the people at your good bye party talk about all your missed tackles, blown assignments, times you got juked out of your jock, pancaked etc. etc. Or at your farewell did they talk about what a great guy you were, how you gave 100%, worked hard, were a great teammate, a pleasure to have in the locker room, a fine human being and all around outstanding person – I hope the people at your good bye party had the class to be the later… why are you pissing on a guys back as he is walking out the door?

Second – as a former professional – you should know more then any other person on this board – your comments as related to the draft are WAY off – in this years draft alone the Eagles picked up 2 rookie O Lineman that helped McCoy be the #2 rusher in the NFL and set franchise records in yardage – resign Mathis and you probably have the best O Line since the Thomas and Runyan both left. Secondly – picked up two rookie kickers – one of which just set the team record for accuracy – Dion Lewis reminds me a lot of McCoy as a rookie and lloks solid – and Rolle, has some serious potential – MAtthews (he is a 4rth round pick) will do just fine as a nickel backer and special teamer – what the hell else do you want for a draft –

who really cares if Watkins is 18, 26, 34 or 96? can he Ball – could the Eagles move the ball up and down the field – you are really reaching – stretching – if your biggest complaint is that he is 26 – but I guess this is glass half empty world – JArret and March didn’t work out so ‘where was the talent evaluation’

As for your comments on JPP and GRaham – man – hindsight is so 20/20

ten games into last season – no one was going – man – why didn’t we get JPP – that DID NOT HAPPEN – and while GRaham rehabbed a knee injury (how couldn’t the talent evaluators see that coming) JPP got much better – but AGAIN – let me ask you – we had Cole and Babin – we signed an ALL PRO DE – we had Cole, and Babin with Tapp and Parker rotating in –

is anyone really going to say the fault was the DEs on this team? Anything on the D LIne – really? REally?

You want to bring up finding a better safety or LB – hey I will conceed that point – but this constant carping on Graham and Watkins is pure BS

Cant Climb
Cant Climb
January 12, 2012 10:51 am

“Shave your face” Grigson, it looks ridiculous……..
Howie needs to go….

Lurie should just pay Mike Mayock or Chris Landry for their draft board and exile the entire personal department….

PETE60
PETE60
January 12, 2012 10:57 am

REID AND HOWIE ROSEBUD\

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 11:00 am

Mike Mayock is employed by the NFL and can not work for any NFL Club
You know that Tommy Lawlor is a pretty good Talent Evaluator on the Eagles.Com site..

bsmvideos
January 12, 2012 11:16 am

What’s wrong with our drafting????

He’s 450 pounds and has a red mustache.

He drafts 10 defensive players when he needs a center.

Trades out of the 1st round.

Trades 1st round picks to division rivals.

Drafts the oldest 1st rounder in the history of the NFL.

Keeps using the same formula for drafting defensive ends and keeps getting the same results.

Has a tendency to draft a player who either has a torn ACL in his history,
has never played the position that the Eagles need him for, or is a Mormon who is as slow as maple syrup going up a hill in January.

Completely ignores getting a kick off return man.

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 11:23 am

Does anyone think that fact the Eagles have had 3 Different D/Coordinators in the last 4 Season and a bunch of Postion Coaches have anything to do with thier poor exectuion, a lack of cohesion and maybe a better stratgey on Drafting players that fir your schemes.. When your changing schemes and coaches all the time, It would make it more difficult since there’s not been a consistent “vision or voice” making these determinations from a Defensive Coaching staff to the HC & Front Office since JJ left and that’s been part of the problem and the reality of the sittuation and again I go back to a lack of a succession plan to follow JJ by Coach AR.. Coach Ar’s failure to plan for the future was not a good one or a very well thought out one in my opinion and here the Eagles are 3 Years still fumbling and bumbling around to figure out who and how to go about building a Championship level Defense, to me, this is the most damning lack of foresight by Coach AR during his tenure..

D/C’s J Johnson to S McDermott to J Castillo since 2009
DL Coaches Pete Jenkins to Rory Segrest to Jim Washburn since 2009
Secondary Coahes S McDermott to Bill Stewart to Dick Jauron to Johnny Lynne & Mike Zordich since 2009

nev856
nev856
January 12, 2012 11:37 am

well paul , who is responsible for this ?

andrew p
andrew p
January 12, 2012 11:48 am

No PAULMAN! That dont mean anything if you put the right person in charge, you heard what Nnamdi said, the D did not listen to Castillo cause they has NO respect for him, they knew he wasnt a D-Cord, look what happen with the Texans this year, You, Navy and these other suck ups want to use all these excuses, how do you explain how Wade Phillips goes to the Texans with NO OTAs just like us, turns the whole system around from a 4-3 to a 3-4, makes their star player go from a down linemen to a stand up pass rusher and they end up in the top 5 in D plus are in the playoffs. Bottom line is this is what we got for not bringing in experience.

grifft
grifft
January 12, 2012 11:52 am

Um, there are three or four people higher in the organization that have final say. You admit that you have no idea how good he is at his job, yet imply that it’s his fault that we didn’t draft JPP? JPP was considered a huge risk who would not have thrived in the McDermott scheme the way he has in NY. Graham was considered immediate impact, which was what they were looking for. I agree about Earl Thomas, he would have been a huge pickup, but Mikell/Allen looked good at the time, too. Jury’s still out on Watkins, but he’s gotten better as the year progressed, so it’s not like he’s a total dud.

It seems like posts on here are more and more about raising someone’s ire than about actually looking at things from an analytical perspective. Will anyone truly be shocked if the Colts have an good/great/awesome draft even after the first round? I won’t. Then, we’ll have a post on here about how “we never should have let him get away”, and that life was better with Grigson around.

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 11:54 am

100% HC Andy Reid in my opinion,
As HC and VP of Football Operations, he should always be looking with an eye towards the futures as far as having the best availalbe COaching Staff as possible… When JJ was first diagnosed with his Illness, I belive it was back during the 2008 Season, why wasn’t there a real plan developed and implemented for the eventual deprature and replacement of the long-time DC made..instead he waited too late, then stucka young and not ready Sean MCDermott and didn’t surround him with quality Coaches (Segrest,Shuey and Stewart) and pretty much set him to fail, then brings in an experienced Dick Jauron the following season but doesn’t utilize his experience and give im any authrotiy, and then compunds the problem last year by naming Juan Castillo as DC..These poor decisions probably cost the Eagles a real chance for a Super Bowl run and have set the Franchise back 2-3 years in my opinion and when Lurie did his analysis, did he pay attention enough to his complete mishandling of the Defesnsive side of the ball since 2009…, probably not…

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 12:07 pm

andrew P – suck up – what are we in 2nd grade – your a suck up cause you asked a question – Asmo never said they had NO RESPECT – that is you taking a comment and spinning the shit out of it –

and Andrew P – I know this is hard for you – this is what you get when you turn the Ball over the most times in franchise history –

Wade Philips dod do an outstadning job with the Texans D – if you can explain why his 3-4 D in Dallas was a disaster but his 3-4 D in Houston was great – I would love to hear it – better Bar B Q in Houston? Why was he so effective in one place and not the other?

Wait – stop – hold on a minute… Could it be the players played better?

wait – quote from an article in the NYT:
“You could say he coached the same defense up there in Dallas: why’s it working here?” Manning said. “It’s the right timing, the right team, the right players, the right play calls, the right schedule.

so.. Andrew P – please, I ask you – enlighten me to how a guy can go from being a disaster one season (and he was the DC in Dallas – Garret ran the O) to a start the next? Why can’t that happen to Castillo?

andrew p
andrew p
January 12, 2012 12:07 pm

Navyeaglefan, This goes back to the very beginning with Reid, i know you like to talk about how hes the winningest coach but his drafting and total imput through the years is the reason we havent won a SB. Think about this MR. Statman.
Here’s a nice fact for you, the Bucs, Saints and
Patriots were jokes when Andy was hired.The Giants below average at best, guess what they ALL have since Reid got the keys to the eaglemobile?

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 12:09 pm

To Andrew
Texans have about 7-8 players on that Defense have have been Drafted in the 1st 2 rounds over the last couple of seasons (Mario Williams, JJ Watt, Pat Cushing,DeMarco Ryans,Brooks Reed, Kareem Jackson, James Joseph) and Wade Phillips as a 30 year Defensive guru who could probably put a Defensive Unit together in 2 weeks time and add to the Talent Phillips had to work with and it’s no surprise to me that the Texasn were much improved defensively.. Comparing Wade Phillips to 75 % of the NFL DC’s is not an apples to apples comparison.. .Now your point about AR hiring an unproven Castillo is 100% correct..

andrew p
andrew p
January 12, 2012 12:14 pm

Navy, As far as why Wade didnt make it in Dallas? The man is NOT head coaching material, look at all the guys that were great coordinators but couldnt make it as HCs, everywhere Wade Phillips went as a DC he succeded then look at him as a HC, was Buffalos D good when he was HC? answer is NO! if he went to Dallas as D-Cord that D would be top 5, theirs your, if you need more proof look at Norve Turners track record

andrew p
andrew p
January 12, 2012 12:18 pm

Paulman, THANK YOU! you proved my point! Reid should of learned from the year before and brought in someone with EXPERIENCE! thats all im trying to say. Navy, im sorry Nnamdi didnt literally say they had no respect for Castillo, he only said they didnt listen to him in the beginning, my bad, how can that possibly mean they didnt respect him.

andrew p
andrew p
January 12, 2012 12:27 pm

Paulman, You brought out the Texans had 7-8 players drafted in the first 2 rounds that helped, we also drafted that many D players over the past 2 yrs, whats the difference? Oh yea i forgot, it was the Eagles who drafted those players, dont tell Navy that doesnt make a difference, he’ll be quick to tell you our 5th, 6th, and 7th rounders are out there, Navy, whenever u get time compare those players Paulman put up there from the Texans to the draft picks the Eagles have starting, let me know if u see a difference and how many of those Eagles make it to the pro bowl

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 12:51 pm

I am sorry Andrew – so when he is the DC and ONLY focused on D its fine – but when he is the HC – and still acts as the DC – its OK he is an abortion – got it – thanks for clearing that up –

Thank you for the Stat man title – I will wear that one like a proud badge of honor – beats beng MR. – really don;t know what I am talking about so I will just make shit up and embellish and spin things so I can attampt to make a lame point.

See for me – I would have also pointed out Dallas D didn’t do too much better under the other Ryan (who was a very experinced D coord) then they did under – so SEE THANK YOU – or the BEars bringing n MArilneeli or the Ginats bringing in there guys – I disagree with folks lik eyou and Stevo who think it is some magical answer to last years problems was to have a guy that was a ‘true’ D Coord – the D did not cost this team the playoffs – the FRANCHISE SETTING NUMBER OF TURNOVERS cost us the playoffs – look at the San Fran game – 2 for 7 in the red zone and how many turnovers in the Red Zone –

um – not sure about the 5 6th and make it to the pro bowl – I posted a while back a list of eagle drafted D players that went to pro bowl – only 5th rounder and above is Cole – with Mikell as an undrafted FA – you didn’t know that? Guess you need to be the Stat Man

So now that CAstillo has that year of experince – that year of growth – that year of learning – why do you want to change AGAIN – you want to change schemes, personnel, coaches…………..

that is the point Pman was making – look at the Chargers – they keep hiring and firing – I think the 4rth in 5 years……..

jott1972
jott1972
January 12, 2012 12:59 pm

Andy Reid makes all the picks

Grison recommends players and Reid has final say

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 1:14 pm

My points are 2 fold
#1) It has to start with a Stable Vision/Philosophy of the Defense (which the Eagles have not had since JJ 2009
#2) Then and only then, can the Defense be built upon that Vision/Philosophy thru in aquiriing Talented Players who best fit that Philosophy thru the Draft,Trades and Free-Agency (getting a bunch for former All-Pros from various Schemes and Tteams is not the best way to build it for long-term success as we saw this past Season)

Not to change the Subject… But over the last 20 years or so, the Giants Defensive PHilslophy has always been build thru their Defensive Line first and work their way back, while the Eagles was a build a Strong Secondary first and compliment a Fast Defensive line…
The way the Giants have developed stud D/Lineman over the years is a credit to not only good Drafting, but probably due to better Coaching and a big physicaly D/Line that can penetrate.. Go back and look at the Strahans,Omenyura,Tuck and nowe JPP… I would not doubt that if Brandon Graham was on the Giants and healthy, that he would be playing good ball too.. and if JPP was on the Eagles, we would see glimpses,but probably not the consistant high l of play he brings every week due to the Eagles past coaching at the DL position.. Now fastfoward to the present and let’s see whatr Washburn can do with a healthy Graham, who I really expecting nothing from this season due to his late season major Knee Injury in 2010.. I still thought the best move was to simply IR him and get a full year of Re-have so that he could hit the ground running in 2012 and not have these whispers of being a bust for his confidence if nothing else.. I also stated that Safety nate Allen should have started this Season on PUP list and waited until he was a 100% before returning and could have played the last 10 weeks more confidently and healthy insteadt of starting the Season at 80% and then struggles.. Health and confidence are huge and especially for young players who are trying to assemilate to the Pro game, by rushing them out there before they are 100 % to me seems to set young players baack more than just holding them out until they are ready to go.. The Eagles have a tendancy to rush injured players back too soon and usually it has not worked in the teams or players favor … (see Jamall Jackson, L Weaver, N Allen, J Maclin, B Graham, S Bradley,Nick Cole, and even Mike Vick this year was not ready after that Falcon game and whiplash/concussion he had in the Falcon game and should have been out in Week #3 versus the Giants)

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 1:34 pm

way to much sanity and reasoning in that comment P man – sounds like you are preaching patience – give players time to develop, injuries happen let the players come back….

Butch007
Butch007
January 12, 2012 1:43 pm

Ultimately, you’ll have to see how the Colts situation develops, but being that the Colts ownership decided to wipe the front office clean getting rid of Peyton Manning is all but done, in fact he was probably hired to be the “Axeman.”

The other thing that’s important to to note is that front offices, no matter how successful their team maybe aren’t perfect. I’ve always maintained that there are a lot of players that can play at a high level in the NFL that either not allowed in or pushed out of the league prematurely. Many other people tend to say “If two or three organizations have said he’s not playing in their system he must be garbage.”

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 12, 2012 3:46 pm

groundhog day….wake me up after we draft another fastball that sucks in the 1st round or maybe there’s a 45 year old paramedic we can draft from community college to sure up the linebacking position.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 4:04 pm

ok songs – great – you go wait and we will wake you – I promise – we will call you – check is in the mail –

andrew p
andrew p
January 12, 2012 4:07 pm

Navy, So the 5 games we lost going into the 4th quarter (first time in eagle history BTY) was the Os fault? How did we get those leads to be able to lose them? How many turnovers did the D produce those games to maybe seal the deal? Im glad u like the name Statman cause your stuck with it lol, check your stats and see if their was a D-Cord in Dallas at the time of Wade Phillips and only towards the end Wade fired him and took the D over when it was to late, experience is needed and Castillo having one year under his belt isnt gonna be enough against the elite teams.

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 4:18 pm

***Rumors tweeted from the CIrcle City
Coach MM interviewing for the HC and an annoucement could come as early as Fri/SAt as the COlts are moving forward … I hope Coach AT was talking to to some potential OC’s and other Offensive Coach’s while on Vacation… Probably retread Childress or maybe an old friend former HC Mike Sherman..
Also rumored is Current Eagle Coach Doug Pederson going joining MM in Indy as well…

JoeFriday
JoeFriday
January 12, 2012 5:12 pm

Andrew, I’d say yes, some of the leads that were blown are partially on the O as well as the D. At least the collapses were aided by the offense not continuing to score, or at least hold the ball to eat time off of the clock. The turnovers were the final spike in the chest. If the O contnues to score in the 2nd half against the 49ers, they do not have the time to come all the way back. The Falcons kept getting the ball back over and over which aided their comeback. It is not completely on the defense, nor on the O. It takes a lot of people to lose a football game. on a different topic, I’d have no problem with Childress returning to the nest. Any guy who can annoy that 2004 reciever enough to get the silent treatment is okay in my book. He may be the only one who ever managed to get 81 to shut up.

Stevo
Stevo
January 12, 2012 5:14 pm

andrew- dont bother. I do this daily with navy and after i explain it he just poof….. goes bye bye only to ask me the same stuff the next day.Ill break it down…

there are some on here that feel the Eagles are trying to be like many of the other high flying teams that have amazing O’s and qb’s, These teams dont need a D. and therfore are not held responible if their D’s fail. Its the job of the qb to lead a team to a win and if it does not happen, its 100% his fault for the loss.

I think the eagles have a good enough qb, wr’s, Oline, TE’s, Rb’s to win. I think their D style and players are lacking. I think the way they build their team and the kind of players is not good. They expect to be up by 80 every game. 21 point 4th quater leads are just not good enough. I think its bad to think this way,Navy does not see it that way.

paulman
paulman
January 12, 2012 5:26 pm

Problem with that Steve is that VIck is not an Elite QB who can win games by himself consistently like a Brady,Brees or Rodgers are …
Vick can maybe win 1-2 late games himself just like he will lose a few games late with his turnovers…
Eagels Offense & QB Vick is way to inconsistent in execution to score TD’s once in the red zone enough times to keep up with Packers,Saints or Patriots

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 5:37 pm

You know Andrew and Steve – some of my best ‘stuff’ comes when people thinking they are putting me down, actually stick their foot in a pile of doo-doo – this on eis a two bagger:

Andrew guess what – there was no D coordinator in Dallas in 2009 when the Boys were the #2 ranked D in the NFL – it was Wade Phillips (like I told you – don’t be lazy – if you are going to call me out check the facts brother)

He was replaced after the team started 1-7 on ’10

Before becoming linebackers coach in 2005, Pasqualoni served as the Cowboys’ coach of tight ends for the 2005 season, where he is credited for the continued development of Jason Witten leading to his second consecutive trip to the Pro Bowl. In 2006, Pasqualoni became the coach of the linebackers, being influential in Demarcus Ware’s success in that position. On November 8, 2010 Pasqualoni was promoted to interim defensive coordinator resulting from the firing of Wade Phillips, as Phillips served as both head coach and defensive coordinator for the Cowboys.

But wait – a D caoch was responsible for the development of a TE – and a guy was both a TE and LB coach – that’s CRAZY – you mean the LB coach for Demrcus Ware was also the same guy that coached Jason Whitten – CRAZY

its alright Andrew – I am used to being right

Stevo
Stevo
January 12, 2012 5:49 pm

yes Pman- that was clearly my point. I am saying that the birds need a solid D…. not a win with an 80 point lead D. I hope u understand that ive been making this point for over a year now.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 5:50 pm

and Andrew and Steve – it is a TEAM game – a TEAM game – both the offense and the defense (and in the case of San Fran speecial teams) that helped lose those 5 games they had the lead in – The D missed tackles and didn’t cover, the O turned theball over and dropped passes – And Andrew I have discussed the turnover RATIO at great length – its a TEAM game

The offensive coaches could have held the ball and milked the clock – the D coaches could have stopped them – TEAM game –

Stevo – its not ‘poof’ you make unsupportable opinions that I disagree with – instead of saying get a ‘new’ coordinator – you make the petty commetn a ‘true’ coordinator – and then do not want to hear any facts, opinions or stats about how Castillo – for not being a ‘true’ coordinator had a defense that outperformed a ‘true’ D coordinator like Rex Ryan in Dallas – or the fine gent from New York. If you want him gone, say so – at least DCAR has the balls to say he jst doesn’t like him – I am the one that views the ENTIRE season – start to finish – I don;t need to qualify, dismiss, declare meaningless, the games that do not support my opinions, as the only thing imprtant to me is that the eagles get better.

As I have never stated the or projected any of the opinions you are offering up as being mine, please refrain from offering other people your ‘interpretation’, as it is not correct – Navy thinks its a team game, and the right way to do things is not replace and fire every season – Navy thinks a top 10 D – with an Offense that doesn’t set franchise records in turnovers and gets better in the red zone will get them back to the playoffs – Navy thinks you find a solid MLB in FA or the draft and you go deep into the playoffs – Navy thinks you find a stud MLB, and a S – you are in the championship game – Navy thinks you resign MAthis and have this OL together we lead the league on O next year – Navy thinks you find one big DT, a stud LB, and a stud S – plus our O – we got a shot..

Now – are you clear on what Navy thinks?

Stevo
Stevo
January 12, 2012 5:52 pm

Navy, im not putting you down. We just dont see eye to eye on what this D needs and on how good they are or are not.

Stevo
Stevo
January 12, 2012 5:56 pm

wow navy- usually you are just slamming others opions- glad to hear you have 1.

we agree on most things Navy. The only things i disagree with are …..

a) still need a true DC.
b) this was not a top 10 D as far as Im concerned. i base thiss of what i watched and ALL the stats. Not just th2 espn throws out.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 6:18 pm

And we both get to sit and watch what happens – at least every mock draft has the Eagles taking an ILB with the first pick –

Stevo
Stevo
January 12, 2012 6:31 pm

No way this happens. I would love to see it… And see them add a vet LB that’s worth something but… I’m not holding my breath. Besides… They would just add a fast light LB that cannot takle. Not trying to be a negaitive one.

ozzman
ozzman
January 12, 2012 7:01 pm

Lets stop with Reid and his track record. He has a 300 winning percentage against teams 500 and above. Most of his win are against crap teams. He ash 0 rings in 13 years. It was Mcnabbs fault, Heckert, McDermott, and the whoever but never Reids fault. Those are the facts not snotty cute comments by koolaide drinking jabronis that must like not winning to stick up for this coach.

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 8:05 pm

ozzman – articulate and well spoken – clearly – you prepped that for hours prior to making such a profound comment – most wins aganst crap teams – I have never, ever, ever heard Reid, ever blame someone else – I do believe that most of the time he says one of three things 1) that’s on me 2) Need to get players in a better postion and 3) I need to do better – so who blamed anybody – most of the ‘kool aid’ drinking crowd are also the ‘non blaming ‘ crowd that get accused of ‘drinking the kool aid’ becuase we point out it is a TEAM game. Sticking up for the coach or not – he is the coach and back next year – and to quote even Mathis – time to ride! (is that ‘cute’ enough)

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 8:06 pm

Stevo – I am feeling LB on this one – LB – hopefully at least 6’4 260 (I think that is Hightowers size)

jakedog
jakedog
January 12, 2012 8:06 pm

ozzman the fan base has almost become numb to facts, especially the most important fact you cited, no championships, there is a great propaganda machine in effect, subtle sometimes, but brain washing in result, that this franchise, this regime, the coach, notwithstanding abject failure by the real gold standard, winning championships, deserves our further support, even though through their words and attitude, especially the coach, don’t give a damn about the fans, as demonstrated by the attitude of the players, but change is near, Reid is a lame duck, he will get his just rewards

navyeaglefan
navyeaglefan
January 12, 2012 8:35 pm

So Jake – why don’t you just find another team – you use terms like propoganda, kool aid, brain washing, abject failure – and accuse them of not wanting your support – go find another team!

Jacksonville has an owner that looks like ROn Jeremy – go cheer for them! Go for NEw England or New Orleans – GO! Its sports – the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat – this mythical magical change you talk about is the equivelant of buying a lottery ticket –

I realize this is the nintendo generation – you play your video games and if after the first inning or quarter you are losing you just push the reset button – but in the real world you keep working and keep fighting – I saw nothing out of the players or the coaches during those ‘meaningless’ games that indicated anyone had quit (the only place that resided was with the fans)

Reid is here – he is back for another yeat – Looks like Roseman and Castillo as well – are you really going to spend an entire year bitching about the previous 13? And I promise you this Jake – difference between me and most – if they fire Castillo – I will be just as big a fan of the next guy that comes in – if its Mike Singletary or Betty White – cause they are an EAGLE

Met Jon Runyan today – dude is HUGE