I don’t care what the Eagles say, I’ll always prefer good big players as compared to good small players. Yes, one of the reasons, the Giants are back in the Super Bowl is head coach Tom Coughlin, but the other reason is because of their ability to get it right with their draft.
General Jerry Reese is as good of a drafter as you can find, and their Director of College Scouting, Marc Ross, was one time an Eagles scout, but he was let go.
Tell me which organization is in better position to win in the near future. Remember that the New York Giants have quite a few very young star players that will keep them on top for the foreseeable future. They get it right in the draft.
Where did the Giants get Victor Cruz from? Can you believe that he was a free agent. How good has Hakeem Nicks been for them?
Look at the Giants future with Jason Pierre-Paul who is only in his second-year. They’ve got a cornerback who they drafted in the first round in cornerback Prince Amukamara, who has the size and speed to play against big, quality receivers.
New York has a linebacker like Michael Boley who can cover a tight end. He’s big and he can run. He was their best defensive player in the Green Bay game. They got him from Atlanta in free agency.
Look at the Giants defensive line and marvel at their size and athleticism. You’ve got Pierre-Paul, along with Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora.
Oh did a mention that they have the ability to take over a game with their running attack.
Notice how good a punt coverage guy like Devin Thomas, who was a bust in Washington, but the Giants picked him up because he had a good combination of size and speed. Thomas made the plays yesterday to put the Giants in the Super Bowl.
They’re my favorite to win it because they’re bigger, faster at the skill positions and more physical than the Patriots. They’re going to run the ball down the Patriots throats, dominate ball possession and Eli Manning is going to have big day against that mediocre New England defense.
Giants running game? Really?
The difference I see is Hakeem Nicks seperates his shoulder, misses a series, takes a shot and is back in the game to help. Maclin or Jackson would have missed a month. Their weak. Soft. This Eagles team scares nobody. The regime wants speed when what it takes to hoist the Lombardi is Grit. This Eagle’s team is going nowhere next year and it really hurts to say that. And to sit back and watch the Giants win yet another Lombardi makes me realize what a futile chore it is to be an Eagles fan. Go Patriots? Go Giants?…Maybe I’ll just watch the news.
And every time I hear Jason Pierre-Paul’s name and how he’s going to dominate for years to come all I can say theses morons DRAFTED BRANDON FREAKINN’ GRAHAM instead!!!! ARGHHH!!!!
Well said Jimmy Mac. The Giants’ last three first rounders:
2005: No first round pick, got Corey Webster in the 2nd
2006: Mathias Kiwanuka
2007: Aaron Ross
2008: Kenny Phillips
2009: Hakeem Nicks
2010: Jason Pierre-Paul
2011: Prince Amukamara
Not a single bust in that group of guys and I think all are either solid starters for them or have made the Pro Bowl. How is that the Eagles can’t evaluate talent? G, your best point in the article is about grit winning championship and not speed. The Eagles are slowly becoming an Al Davis organization. They want to draft all these fastballs and try and outsmart the league with value picks with guys coming off major knee surgeries. When will they go back to the formula that works and draft mean sons of bitches who set the tempo for a game?
How would Buddy draft? Or J.J.?.. How about drafting like those guys would. We start doing that, we might start winning in the playoffs again.
Also, Eli Manning is probably the player I hate most in sports but that dude is clutch and is now considered an elite quarterback as is Tom Brady. Michael Vick will never hold a candle to these guys. Vick will continue to play with reckless abandon and turn the ball over constantly. Also, he’ll continue to make stupid decisions and get his throws batted down at the line of scrimmage. I can’t help but laugh when I look at the Giants and Patriots and then look over to my right to see an article on this site titled “Eagles Workout Quarterback Trent Edwards.”
Sad but true G. The common denominator in that whole process of missed opportunities, and bad talent evaluation, is Andy Reid. You mentioned Jason Pierre Paul, but don’t forget Earl Thomas, who was actually a better CB, than safety, but do you realize they drafted Broderick Bunkley, one pick behind Haloti Ngata?..They chose to bypass drafting Justin Houston, to reach for Jaqwuain Jarrett? and they also not only chose to draft Trevor Laws before DeSean Jackson, but overlooked players like Ray Rice, JerMichael Finley, and Jamaal Charles. They selected TeoNe’Sheim, overlooking Jimmy Graham, and Navarro Bowman……The wasted draft picks are ridiculous!!! Yes they did hit on some like Maclin, Shady, Shawn Andrews, Celek…but they pale in comparison to what they could have had. The Giants are going to be monsters, and the cowboys, and redskins aren’t far behind. Who had final say on all those draft picks? The real problem with the eagles…Andy Reid
G, can you get me a 10 minute meeting with Jefferey Lurie, so the GM can fix this? I’m serious. I can do a much better job with talent evaluation, and hiring Coaches, and Coordinators, than these clowns. Really, I can’t do any worse. Then after I prove myself, I’ll fix the sixers; First move… trade Igoudala. Then we can go after a championship. He cant really give us what we need offensively unless he is in transition for a dunk, cant create his own shot, and can’t really handle the ball, mediocre, THE ANDY REID OF THE NBA………
The same old story different day… move on please. Ok, the Giants got Pierre Paul, he’s a stud true indeed. The Eagles drafted Brandon Graham, he got injured, “yea that’s his fault I’m sure”… injuries happen. Amukamara, don’t remember hearing his name yesterday, Phillips I remember Vernon Davis running by him last night. Kiwanuka and Ross are good, not all-pros. Where were all the comparisons when we owned them for some years. And more from this season, McCoy ran for 241 yds against that BIG defense this year. Eli threw how many INTs the previous year… yeah ok. Here’s a theory, get behind the QB that is going to lead your team this year, whether you like it or not, or don’t watch and shut the heck up with all of the over-analysis.
Right on G…and as an Eagle fan…I am depressed to see how we are going down the wrong road.
Chuck, that’s a terrible analysis dude; you’re better than that. Did you really just bring up how many INT’s Eli threw last year? I live in the present day where Vick has been a turnover machine and Eli has his team in the Superbowl and a ton of 4th quarter comebacks; one of which was against the Eagles. I’m not going to sit here and complain about not getting JPP and getting Brandon Graham. At the time, I actually thought JPP was a huge risk given that he was a one-year wonder in college. My point is about how a championship caliber team like the Giants can get solid picks every year in the first round while the Eagles seem to have absolutely no idea what the hell they’re doing. Sure they get some right; what team doesn’t. But they don’t get enough right to even remotely be a contender. Instead, we give tons of money to broken down has-beens like Ronnie Brown and Steve Smith while one of the few picks they did get right in the draft, Desean, is paid pennies.
The other issue with the drafting of JPP is that the Giants could afford to take a gamble on him. They were already pretty loaded at the position.
Eagles needed a starter right away, wheras the Giants didn’t. So the Eagles’ picked the player that was seen as “most ready” and the Giants took the prospect.
You do realize that 1/2 way through his first year JPP had a solid 4 tackles and 0 sacks as he sat on the bench. Do you think Giants fans were giving him the Danny Watkins “he’s a bust!!!!!” treatment that first round guys who don’t immediately produce at a pro-bowl level get around here??
Oh, and at the same point in their careers, Graham had 12 tackles and 3 sacks. He was outproducing JPP. Then his knee exploded.
Will he ever come back and play well….who knows…..but this whole “they got JPP and we got Graham stuff is kind of ridiculous……”
Vinnie, as I said in my previous post, it’s not about getting JPP over Brandon Graham. We can play that game with just about every single pick in the draft and that’s not a fair assessment. The bottom line is that the Eagles are awful at evaluating prospects. They’ve now changed their philosophy because of it and build through FA; which never works. If you look at the most successful teams over the past decade, they are typically very quiet in FA and build through the draft (i.e. Patriots, Giants, Steelers, Packers, Saints, Colts, etc). The Eagles did this at one point but once they were unable to draft good players, they had to look elsewhere. It’s all about continuity in the NFL and the Eagles are going away from this.
Giants are getting ready for another ring while the Eagles and their FO pat themselves on the back for winning the last 4 games of the year against bad teams. Thats the difference.
I see the Kool-Aid still flows freely. I won’t even begin to knock my head against the brick wall. Eventually, everyone will see that Reid is a bum!
Teams are reflections of their Coaches..
Giants HC Coughlin is a no-nonsense, straight talking Coach who will give his players a kick in the ass when they need, it but has their backs as they always have expectations and sets the bar high for Team Goals…
Eagles HC AR is arrogant, way too protective and can never give anyone a straight answer about anything and bails on players when things get rough and is more interested in attaining Stats to show everyone what a offensive genius he is instread of focusing on Team Goals and how having a good solid Defense contibutes and is necessary in having a Championship Team
Reids a bum but so is GM Roseman
My strong suggestion to Owner Lurie is to hire a real GM first after the 2012 Season and then let that GM go out and hire a HC
(maybe the Polian Clan, or Mike Mayock, Herman Edwards, or GMCliff or even Paulman)
The last 4 games puts an explanation point on Reid’s time here.
He can pad his resume with doormats but his teams have been a doormat compared to true contenders.
THey are aweful eh?
Lets look at all the DL that were 1st round draft picks in 2010 (I’ll include both DT and DL. I’m not going to give names, nowr are these in order of draft position…..just the numbers
4 sacks 25 tackles
1 sack 10 tackles
3 sacks 17 tackles. Destroyed knee
12 sacks 86 tackles
So what do we have? 1 probowlers (JPP) 1 servicable guy Morgan and 2 busts (Graham and Huges)
This is consistent with the 30-30-30 rule. Only 30% of draft picks ever make an impact….if any team happens to rise above this, you can bet the odds will beat them back down eventually.
The Eagles’ draft right there with just about everyone else. The 2010 draft doesn’t seem to be panning out….the 20-11 draft seems to have provided 4 solid starters and a quality backup…..these things always balance themselves out.
How do you think the:
Rams feel taking Bradford 1st?
TB with McCoy 3rd (he on 4 sacks and 31 tackles in 2 years)
KC with Berry showed ability but will enter year 3 with repaired knee
Seattle at 6 taking Okung who can’t stay on the field when they could have had Davis at 11
Browns with Joe Hayden at 7 who did nothing this year after a promising rookie year
Bills with CJ spiller at 9 who can barely make the field when they could have had Ryan Mathews at 12
Face it. 30% of draft picks…even in the first round become probowl plays…at best. 30% usually end up ok and 30% don’t make it. The birds are right in that mix.
ok Pman…I like the idea, but figure there will be others on the site that might not be so inclined to agree….how about Jaws as GM? The guy studies alot of film and knows the game (and he knows Philly too)…I have been saying this for a number of years, but know that with Banner in place it would never happen…he wants his own in place, and Howie fits the bill.
Facts:::All 4 teams rushed the ball more than Reid does in playoffs. Patriots RB’s total 25 rushes, Ravens 27, Giants 25, 49ers 22
Eagles last three playoff games, ALL LOSSES
against Packers2011 RBs total 13 rushes
Cowboys 2010 10 rushes
Cardinals 2009 16 rushes
Good point GCOBB and i agree…. Think about this too that the giants front office has guys in there that are football guys not just number crunchers… I woke up thinking about howthe eagles always end up signing the wrong guys each and every year except on the offensive side of the ball, they have too many misses on defense.. But i also woke up with the thoughts that the eagles would rather have mediocre guys on defense that wont be too expensive down the line then to draft the sure thing, Theyve been doing it for years sacrificing the success of the team for financial flexibility and thats not right, thats not a winning mentality nor does it promote the winning type of atmosphere…Its sickening because you watch a team like the giants go back to the SB twice in the last 4 years and may very well beat brady and the pats. This should be a wake up call for the eagles but instead they will continue to do things “there way”…They have a bunch of small fast guys on there team that wear down by midseason on. They may be talented but there too small at key positions, they may be talented but they lack discipline..this front office is a mess, this coaching staff is a mess, and the players they brought in do not fit along with the players theyve drafted oh besides a offensive player whos an offensive lineman Danny Watkins.. go figure… all the other picks were questionable… the eagles are so fast to get rid of quality staff members, As mentioned Marc ross, spags, Harbaugh and the list continues.. guys that were huge for this team.. why dont we hear about front office members of the steelers being let go or the ravens or giants or the packers? They keep the core together, if its not broke dont fix it and they all are on the same page with the direction of the team whether it be the type of coaches they want to the type of players they want to the style they want to play and if there is a problem they correct it… the eagles on the other hand are up in the air and they take this approach: “We’ll figure it out when we get there” Those words have come out of andys mouth before and thats the mindset that this entire organization has and it has crippled this franchise in every way, with there decision making with the way they draft players to how they coach this team and how the front office manages this team..its been a problem for years and may remain a problem moving forward.. it takes them too long to correct a problem area,and signs of a great coach and front office is that they have the ability to see a problem and have a solution for it before it happens.. andy may be a good planner and the same goes for the front office but they dont see a potential problem before it happens nor do they have a solution…This has handicapped this team and has created a stubborn arrogant smug dilusional atmosphere.. you have players still coming out saying we should be playing in the SB or that should be us but next year we ll be there and all year long and the past few years saying this is a SB caliber team and this and that but thats being told to them every year and theyre believing it even though there play on the field does not match such lofty words… this is what has been caused by andy reid and this front office…
Reese is one the best GM’s in the business…. Ross was a threat to some of the Eagles in the front office when he was here and was outspoken about some of the picks made by Reid after he and his staff recommended other players when the Eagles were on the clock…. his stay was shortly lived after that….
As long as Reid is roaming the halls at the Nova Care facility and Lurie & Banner keep “yes” men in the front office, the Eagles will never win…. Roseman needs to stick to accounting and get the f-out of the GM position…really….he is a disgrace! f-em all…..Lurie needs to fire Roseman along with Reid
@ PAULMAN – Bro, If he ever gave me a opportunity, you know you’d be my executive assistant of maintaining excellence, And everyone on GCobb.com would have an opportunity to be on my Executive Board. Like I said earlier, we could do no worse than whats there now. Question – What do you think of Janoris Jenkins, as a 2nd round option? I know he’s got some character issues but, talent wise he is in the same category as Vontaze Burfict, probably the best at his position. We do have a chance to draft some serious talent. I say we can do that, if we trade Asante, and trade down, to get more picks. Maybe an extra first, perhaps 2 extra seconds, and an extra third. We need to make up for all those years of poor draft classes….Times yours……………….
The Giants do an excellent job of building through the draft and the Eagles do not…. simply put GCobb… good stuff!
@gmcliff- Jenkins would be OFF my draft board….the kid is a pothead waiting to explode… give him money and its trouble… Stephon Gilmore of South Carolina is my round #2 target at CB…he has size 6-1 195, physical in run support and solid in coverage… he is what the Eagles need in the secondary… he will come up and smack you in the mouth and loves playing physical man coverage.
@ greenfan – Right on!! Jaworski, is a good choice. Mine would be Charlie Casserly, if he would come out of retirement, or a combination of both they and Dick Vermeil. He has a good grasp of determining the contenders from the pretenders, despite the hype. Smart, experienced, FOOTBALL mind…..
@jott – He is a prospect, but my problem with him is his inconsistency. He was burned religiously against better competition, and was unwilling to get physical with receivers. Talent wise he is light years behind Jenkins. My secondary would have 2 corners, and 2 safeties in this draft…..Mark Barron will be available towards the bottom of the 1st round, and Robert Lester towards the middle of the 2nd. I would take a chance on Jenkins in the 2nd, and Trumaine Johnson 6-1 200 4.48 in the 3rd. I would come out of this draft with Whitney Mercilus, 1st RD, Vontaze Burfict, 1st RD and Zach Brown, top of the second, at just about any cost. Look to trade down, for an extra second, then trade down again with a team that has 2 first (preferably New England), trade Asante, #1 next year, and Nate Allen to Cleveland, for their second first rounder. …We need picks, and talent…I could put language in the contract of Jenkins, that would make him think twice about doing something stupid again.
Charlie Casserly or even the former TItan GM who stepped down a couple of Seasons ago and whose name escapes me at the moment was a very good talent evaluator.. (George Young maybe…)
Great article G. I can’t wait for more fastballs, high motor, high character guys. How about you!? You watch them draft Casey Matthews clone, Luke Kuechly in the 1st & let studs like Hightower, Burfict, Upshaw & Ingram bypass, then draft a 6’1″ 280 lb DT with their first 2nd rounder & a 5’9″ 170 lb soaking wet, one trick pony, WR with their second 2nd. As long as we have clueless @$$clowns, like Reid & Rosebuds calling the personnel shots, it’s going to be groundhogs day over & over again, & we can forget about good change, let alone a championship. LONG LIVE KING REID! It’s not even funny anymore.
The EAGLES AND ANDY REIDS IDEA OF GETTING BETTER IS WORKING OUT TRENT EDWARDS. THAT SAYS IT ALL. THAT GOES TO SHOW ALREADY ANDY IS UP TO HI SAME OL SHIT. THIS GUYS SAT OUT THE INTIRE SEASON BECASUE NONE OF THE OTHER 31 TEAMS THOUGH HE COULD HELP THEM NOT EVEN WASHINGTON.. BUT! ANDY REID THINKS HE IS SMARTER THAN EVERY OTHER PERSON AND SAY TRENT IS WORTHY. WE ARE FINISHED BEFORE WE START. I AGREE SO IM TAKING BETS THAT ANY REIS WONT MAKE IT TO THANKSGIVING.
THE SAD PART IS I NOW UNDERSTAND ALL THOSE CALLERS WHO CALL THE STAITONS AND SAY THEY WILL NEVER CHEER FOR THE EAGLES AGAIN. SOMETIME IN LIFE THERE ARE WINNERS AND LOOSERS AND THE EAGLES ORGINAIZATION IS ARE LOOSERS PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME 50 YEARS OF HISTORY BACKS ME UP.
THIS ORGINAIZATION WILL NEVER WIN BECASUE OF THE BLACK CLOUD OVER THERE HEADS. THEY WAY THE DO US FANS WILL NEVER BRING A CHAMPIONSHIP HERE. ITS CALLED KARMA AND IT REAL. WHEN YOU DO PEOPLE BAD AND DO NOTHING BUT LIE TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE YOU AN NFL TEAM IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOTHING WILL EVER COME GOOD TO YOU.
WHEN THEY SENT OUR BRIAN DAWKINS PACKING THAT WAS THE BIGGEST SLAP IN THE FACE. DIDNT DAWK GO TO THE PROBOWL WITH THE BRONCOS, BUT ANDY SAID HE HAD NOTHNG LEFT.
YOU TOLD US SMALLER AND FASTER WAS THE NEW WAY TO GO, BUT NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT AND THEY ARE WINNING WE GET EMBARRASSED. NOT JUST BEAT. I THINK THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE TO SIT AROUND WITH YOU BUDDIES AND GET LAUGHED AT BECASUE YOUR AN EAGLES FAN. IT IS BAD WHEN YOU GET LAUGHED AT WHEN YOU SAY YOUR AN EAGLES FAN, THEY MAKE IT HARD FOR US TO WANT TO WATCH. WHAT EVER HAPPENS TO THIS ORGINIZATION SO BE IT. THEY DESERVE IT THE RAT BASTARDS.
I USED TO BE ABLE TO SAY EAGLES WITH PRIDE BUT NOW I DONT WANT TO BE LAUGHED AT BY MY OWN WIFE.
THEY SAY BAD ASSOCIATION SPOILS USEFUL HABITS, AND MONEY BRINGS MONEY. SO WHEN YOU HANG AROUND BAD YOU WILL BECOME BAD AND WHEN YOU HANG AROUND GOOD YOU CAN BECOME GOOD. SO BECASUE THIS IS A BAD TEAM IT WILL ONLY BREED BAD AND THINGS WILL GET WORST FOR THEM. YOU MAY THINK IM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH BUT I SPEAK ALL FACTS.
Agree with you G! NOBODY keeps a coach 13yrs without something to show for it. Where are the SB rings? You’ve only won an NFC championship once! Jeff Lurie, get a football organization evaluator (not a business person) in to give you some straight talk. Your loyalties to Reid are seriously misplaced. You now are beginning to see coaches who aren’t thrilled about coming to the Eagles. Mr. Lurie, your loyalty belongs to the fan base who have supported this team for decades and blessed you financially.
I disagree Iggles,
Since the value of the Eagles Franchise went from $400 Million to about $1.2 Billion, I am sure the Owner Lurie feels that he has gotten something of value in return of his 13 year relationship with Coach AR, though they haven’t won a Championshop on the Football Field, but he has hit a Home Run Finiancially..
Paul, you could have put a cardboard cutoff of Lombardi behind the bench, & the team would still have went up in value. With this great, loyal fan-base of ours, going to all of the games & buying their merchandise, they can’t miss. Thus the reason Limp-wrist/ light in the loafers Lurie doesn’t fire Reid. He doesn’t care. He could care less about a SB! Maybe I’m wrong.