• September 30, 2022

All The Signs Are Pointing Toward A 3-4 Defense For The Birds

I’ve heard from numerous NFL sources here in Mobile, Alabama at the Senior Bowl, that the Eagles assistant coaches and scouts are talking about getting players for a 3-4 defense.

Specifically they’ve been asking and talking a great deal about big defensive linemen, who will play in this weekend’s Senior Bowl game.

I’ve also learned that the Birds have hired long-time college coach Rick Minter as the team’s linebackers coach.  I’ve heard the name of San Francisco secondary coach Ed Donatell keep coming up as a serious candidate for the Eagles new defensive coordinator.  The Birds will have to wait until after the Super Bowl to finalize that deal.

You can look at the Eagles roster and see that they’re going to need a new group of bigger defensive linemen to play the 3-4.

I see two of their defensive linemen, Fletcher Cox and Cullen Jenkins, who will be able to make the move and play the defensive end position in the 3-4.  It’s not a coincidence that they also were the two, who could play both defensive tackle and defensive end in the 4-3.  The key is their size.

They’re both big enough to play the two-gap technique, which asks a defensive lineman to stand-up the opposing offensive lineman and be able to make the tackle on the running back to either side of that offensive lineman.  It takes a big strong player to do that.

I don’t see anybody with the ability to play the nose tackle position.  Antonio Dixon has the best chance.

I think the Eagles can plug DeMeco Ryans and Mychal Kendricks into the inside linebacker positions.  I say that despite the fact that Houston was traded Ryans because he was more of a 4-3 middle linebacker, I believe he can be a good 3-4 inside linebacker, if he really wants to commit himself to doing it.

I think they have plenty of potential 3-4 outside linebackers.  Brandon Graham, Trent Cole, Darryl Tapp and Phillip Hunt are all smallish defensive ends who will all likely be changed into outside linebackers.  The secondary needs to be totally rebuilt regardless of what they do upfront.

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Frank22
Frank22
January 23, 2013 8:41 am

I would welcome the change.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 23, 2013 8:51 am

Kendricks’ little body wore down in a 4-3 what do you think is going to happen in a 3-4 —

Lurie letting Reid have one more year year — Howie drafted Kendrick, Curry, extended Trent Cole’s contract and traded a 4th round pick for Ryans ( none of these moves would have happened if Reid was fired last off- season ) & the team switched to a 3-4 D

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 9:42 am

Compare the sizes of Kendricks/ Ryans to Willis/ Bowman.Almost carbon copies. Size isn’t the issue, it’s making the switch, that is.

ChrisS
ChrisS
January 23, 2013 8:51 am

If they can get this draft right and free agency they have a chance to have “shoutoutabiliby”. Although it is the eagles we’re talking about here. Got to find a big NT and another MLB. Secondary will be a work in progress. Get a quality defense this year and make the O the weak point of the team.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
January 23, 2013 9:02 am

Does Kelly know that Graham and Cole can’t be released and can’t play in a 3-4?

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 9:46 am

Graham played a hybrid 3-4 in college. It won’t be an issue. Look at what the Colts did with Freeney & Mathis. Both were 3-4 rush OLB’s this season. Cole will be traded at the draft.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 23, 2013 9:16 am

Kendricks comes from a 3-4 def, won’t be a big change for him.

Draft Jarvis Jones with #4. Get Jon Jenkins in the second for the NT position. Right there you will have the staple of your defense for the next 10 years. Secondary needs to be completely rebuilt however. I would mind dipping into free agency for our safety(s) and giving someone like Curtis Marsh a chance to show us what he has at one of the CB spots.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 23, 2013 9:17 am

Eagles0 — Graham CAN play in the 3-4. Matter of fact, he was projected to be more of a 3-4 linebacker than a 4-3 defensive end coming out of college. Same with Cole.

paulman
paulman
January 23, 2013 9:36 am

Eagles could do the Following

Draft 2 LB’s (Jarvis Jones or a Berkevious Mingo at #4 and then add a another 1 in the mid Rounds — a Jamie Collins from Southern Miss,or Nico Johnson from Alabama come to mind)

Draft a DT (some real good DT/NT’s in this Draft with Star Lotuleile, J Hankins, J Jenkins, S WIlliams which will all be selected by the 2nd Round)

Draft a Safety and CB

Both Graham,Hunt & Curry could all rush the Passer from the Stand-up OLB Position in a 3-4 and could be moved all around the alignment or from a traditional 3 point Stance in obvious Pass-Rushing Situations where you are in a more 4-3 Line-up..

mhenski
mhenski
January 23, 2013 9:48 am

yep all the signs point that way except this:

FOX Philadelphia’s Howard Eskin reports 49ers DBs coach Ed Donatell is “likely” to be hired as Chip Kelly’s defensive coordinator.
Eskin’s report comes via “two NFL sources.” CSN Philly reported Monday that Donatell had “surfaced” as a candidate. Donatell has seven years of experience as an NFL coordinator, but hasn’t run a defense at the highest level since 2006. He served as the University of Washington’s DC in 2008. Kelly is believed to be interested in installing a 3-4 defense, but Donatell is known for using a 4-3.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 2:49 am
Reply to  mhenski

I hope not Mhenski, his secondary has been an Achilles heel to that 49ers defense. I’d like to get the D-Coordinator from Georgia, and have the D-Coordinator from Alabama, Shorts, be his assistant.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 23, 2013 9:56 am

mhenski — if you have not learned ANYTHING over the last month, learn this: do NOT believe what you hear until you either see it in writing or the owner comes out and says it.

mhenski
mhenski
January 23, 2013 10:00 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

birdo no shit bro. you think i was dumb enough to buy the jon gruden nonsense??????

my point is the article says ALL signs yet ALL signs don’t point to that

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 23, 2013 10:03 am
Reply to  mhenski

And my point is, I don’t care what any article says anymore. Until I see it, it’s all speculation with the same amount of credibility the rest of us have.

mhenski
mhenski
January 23, 2013 10:04 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

I totally agree.

paulman
paulman
January 23, 2013 10:18 am

**Breaking Phillies NEws
Phils annouce the signing of OF Delmon Young from the Tigers for a 1 Year
$750,000 Contract which is a Steal in Today’s MLB world of crazy Salaries
Dwelmon Young is only 27 and a career .284 HItter with some Power and a knack of clutch of situational hitting.. He batted .267 with 18 HR’s and 27 Doubles for the Tigers and had a productive Post-Season for them..
He’s not a very good Fielder and needs to shed about 20 lbs and is a very good hitter verse Lefties and probably will play 3-4 Games a week as the Starting LF and then be lifted in the late innings by a Defensive replacement (When Phils are trying to protect a lead) but not a bad pick-up at all..
The man can hit ..

Back to your Regular Programming ..

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2013 10:39 am
Reply to  paulman

word is they are going to use ruff in left and give him every chance with young in right. d. brown will somehow platoon with one or both. he has A LOT OF BAGGAGE but his raw potential is good. he made $6.3 million last year and has to salvage his career so if he gets his act together he will be a good signing, if he remains an A$$ he will be cut, released or traded…

paulman
paulman
January 23, 2013 11:00 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Delmon cannot play RF, you need an athlete with a strong Arm out in RF An OF of D Young in RF and Ruf in LF would be MLB Worst Defensive OF and a horror show to watch.. Ruf probably starts at AAA to begin the Season and then gets called up to replace Young/Mayberry/D Brown depending on how they are playing,injurues,etc,etc..

Phillie Opening Day Outfield
LF D Young, CF Revere RF D Brown
Reserves/Defensive Replacements will be L Nix & J Mayberry Jr

Frank22
Frank22
January 23, 2013 11:11 am
Reply to  paulman

most likely Delmon will start the year on the DL. How does this look for D. Brown? What a disapointment so far.

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 11:28 am
Reply to  haveacigar

You like the job your idol has done again, THIS off-season? Another injury ???? I’ve seen better outfields in beer leagues. Bunch of band-aids & duct tape. Absolutely embarrassing! Booben needs to be fired! He has ZERO CLUE, NOR PLAN of the direction of this franchise. The rebuild needed to start last off-season, & REALLY NEEDED to start this year! If anyone thinks we are going to win that trash truck juice of an OF, they’re delusional, imbeciles! The only given out there is Revere is fast, Brown & Kayberry SUCK!!!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2013 11:44 am
Reply to  DCar

right he should have blown them up the winter after the 102… great move. what i will say is he didn’t over pay for a ross, victorino or even hamilton. didn’t pay bourne 80 million and got a similar player for $500K. he sured up the 8th and if we had an 8th inning guy last year we were in the playoffs.
i agree there are some band aids… if the studs can still be studs they will be ok, if the studs aren’t the studs (halladay and utley mainly) then they are gone anyway. and paul i agree about rf but according to salisbury they want him in right and give ruff a chance in left….

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 12:22 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

HAC, Boobens inept, inability, to infuse good, young talent on this team, & last off-seasons moves, have paralysed this franchise. How can you not see this?!? He has made MANY horrid decisions! Since he took over, he let Burrell & Werth leave, with no viable replacements! He ill-advised signed/ resigned horrid contracts, to Ibanez, Polanco, Blanton, Moyer, Lidge, Rollins, Thome, Wiggington, Willis, Romero, Baez, Martinez, Contreras, & hanging onto stiffs like Kayberry, Brown, Francisco, Herndon, letting Lee go in the 1st place. NO WAY he should have let him go, when we got Halladay, only to get him back, at much more than he said he wanted at the time. Then we wouldn’t have had to waste a trade for a failed Oswalt. I was pissed then, & still am! The BS $$$, prospect, excuse he made, was LAME BS! FACT he’s taken a WS series champ, declined it every year, with an open checkbook, has made an already ancient, declining skills, injury prone team, full of ???’s, into an even older, more injury prone team, with more ???’s, all the while, keeping stiffs! We better hope Ruf, Galvis, & Joseph, are the real deals, because this organization is devoid of good, legit MLB future players, & will struggle for years!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2013 12:31 pm
Reply to  DCar

you truly believe that a team that wins 102 should have been blown up? I’m not saying every move he made is perfect– some of the ones you mention were legit bad moves others… and i’m not going to go thru each one but come ibanez didn’t help thiem? lidge didn’t have a perfect season? hmmm

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 12:50 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Lidges perfect season was the WS year, on Gillicks contract. My bad. Stop mentioning the meaningless 102 Wins! It’s a hollow stat, when you get knocked out of the 1st round, as the odds on favorite, & Ibanez was a rollercoaster, waste of a roster spot. He didn’t have to blowup the team, last off-season. All he had to do, is be proactive, & not resign Rollins, overpay for Paps, outbiding himself, & signing ALL the slop he did! He shouldn’t have resigned Rollins, Galvis, was ready. Aramis Ramirez & Cuddyer, who both wanted to be here, would have been cheaper than all the SLOP, he signed, & by over-anxiously, overpaying Paps, he neglected the rest of the BP!!!!

paulman
paulman
January 23, 2013 12:34 pm
Reply to  DCar

I am looking forward to see this Ruf Play.. He needs to be out there everyday if he’s going to make an impact.. maybe the 1B of the Future in 2 3 Years when Howard is about done..
The Phils have a chance to be a Wild-Card Team in 2013 but will need 5-6 Players to all play close to their Career Numbers..
Utley,Howard, Halladay,Young,Lee & Adams need to all remain Healthy and be somewhat Consistent
If 2 or 3 of these guys struggle, or are injured for any length of time, then they are a 3rd Place Team in the NL East and out of Playoff Picture in my opinion..

The Nats are stacked but the Phils can overtake the Braves is they play well and get off to a good Start and compete for a WIldcard Spot

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 23, 2013 12:39 pm
Reply to  paulman

i agree paul — they actually have gotten younger by like 1.2 years. and i’m glad they didn’t over pay for ross… its good to get younger but the those young ones better be able to play- revere, asche, galvis and joseph better be players. the young BP has potential as well.. but to be young with no skills means nothing.

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 1:01 pm
Reply to  paulman

I don’t know how true this is, but my Uncle lives in Pompano Beach, Fl, he called me & said he heard Phillies tried to trade for Stanton over the weekend, with Ruf, Brown, Morgan, & Franco as part of the package. I can’t find it anywhere. Can someone help me verify this?!? Interesting, since Young is a LF, & Florida could use a young 1B, IF, OF & young pitchers.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2013 10:31 am

Graham, and Cole, both can be released,{ It would be a hard cap hit but they can be released} but should be traded because, – And I can’t believe I’m saying this but- I agree with E0S. They can’t play in a 3-4. Graham came on later in the year but he is, what he is an undersized 4-3 DE.

The Eagles should be targeting potential impact 3-4 Linebackers in the draft, trading down for talent like DeMontre Moore, and Ezekiel Ansah, if Star Lotululei is off the Board in the 1st Round. Perhaps using Graham, Cole, and future #1’s as bargaining chips

They should continue to trade down into the second, and, or make trades for extra picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th Rounds using players like Evan Mathis, Daryll Tapp, Jeremy Maclin, and Todd Herramanns.

2nd Round
2a. Xavier Rhodes – Florida State – 6-2 215 4.47
2b. Tony Jefferson – Oklahoma – S – 5’11 212lbs 4.48
2c DJ Fluker – Alabama – OG/OT – 6’5 335lbs
2d Larry Warford – Kentucky – 6-3 344lbs 4.85
2e Margus Hunt – SMU – 6’7 273lbs 4.75

Any combination of these players especially with Jefferson, Rhodes, Fluker, and Warford. What about more CB’s?

Here are some names:
1 Bhidi Wreh- Wilson – Connecticut – 6’0 193 4.43 Late 2nd-3rd Round
2.Desmond Trufant – Washington – 6’0 188 4.45 3rd Round

I also like FA’s like:
1. Ladarius Webb – Baltimore Ravens- 6’1 203
2. Aquib Talib – New England – 6’2 205
3. Dominique Rogers- Cromartie – I wouldn’t re-sign him to big money, but good money w/ incentives. He wouldn’t start either, unless one of the starters was injured.

In the 3rd/4th Rounds
Linebackers:
1. Sean Porter – Texas A&M – 6-2 243lbs 4.52
2. Jonathan Brown – Illinois – 6-2 235lbs 4.46
3. Kevin Riddick – North Carolina – 6-2 244lbs 4.56
4. Anthony Barr – UCLA – 6-4 235lbs 4.65
5. Gerald Hodges – Penn State – 6-3 235 4.57
6. Trevardo Williams – Connecticut – 6-1 235 4.52

Offensive Tackles
1. Oday Aboushi – Virginia Tech – 6-5 310lbs – 2nd- 3rd Round
2. Chris Faulk – LSU – 6-5 323lbs
3. Brennon Williams – North Carolina – 6-7 315lbs
4. Brian Winters – Kent State – 6-4 310lbs
5. Terron Armstead – Arkansas-Pine Bluff – 6-5 313
6. Manase Foketi – West Texas A&M – 6-5 333 – Possible Guard

Wide Receivers
1. Da’Rick Rogers – Tennessee – 6-4 218lbs 4.46
2, Quinton Patton – Louisiana Tech – 6-1 200 4.53
3. Aaron Mallette – Elon – 6-3 220lbs 4.45 – 5th – 6th Round

Safety 5th/6th Round
1. Jonathan Cyprian – Florida International – 6-2 212lbs 4.48
2. Cooper Taylor – Richmond – 6-4 225lbs 4.56

Defensive Tackle/ Nose Tackle 5th/6th Round
1. Kwame Geathers – Georgia – 6-5 355lbs
2. Brandon Williams – Missouri Southern State – 6-3 341lbs

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 25, 2013 5:22 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I heard Desmond Trufant was locking guys up this past week. Has alot of talent and good genes

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 25, 2013 7:42 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I have him on my radar Jon, but the Eagles will have to make a choice between him, and Xavier Rhodes, in the 2nd Round. My choice would be Rhodes only because he possesses the same shut down ability, but is much bigger at 6-2 212, as apposed to 5’11 188, although Trufant is a little faster running 4.45, vs Rhodes 4.48.

I am sure Kelly is familiar with Desmond Isaiah Trufant, competing against Washington every year, so if he drafts him, I wouldn’t be opposed. Good Player; better than hs brother that most want to bring in as a free agent.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 25, 2013 8:30 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Im with you on both GM, Rhodes has the size advantage and shut down ability. I don’t wanna get crazy with the height thing bc we currently have two corners that are above 6′, Nnamdi 6’3 and DRC 6’2 and both struggled. We need a group of physical corners willing t mix it up and IMO Trufant has the advantage there. But I really like them both it would be a tough choice if both were still on the board when the birds pick in the 2nd round.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 23, 2013 10:38 am

Where do some of you clowns come up with this “Graham and Cole” can’t play 3-4? They were both scouted and projected to be 3-4 OLB’s!!

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 10:54 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

Graham can. Cole can’t even play in 4-3, & you want him to convert to 3-4 OLB. Do you forget, how much he bitched & sulked, when McDermott made him the joker, which would be similar to his new role. He needs to go! 3 sacks & 24 solo tackles, in 16 games. He is one of the top cancerous tumors, on this team. Vick, ASSomugha, Cole, Patterson, Allen, Coleman, Watkins, need to go at ALL COSTS!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2013 11:02 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

in some coverages 3-4 linebackers have to have the ability to cover. Cole, and Graham can not do that. Graham, is strictly a rush the QB option for a 4-3. When you think 3-4 Linebacker think Clay Matthews – speed, and cover ability- How do Cole and Graham measure up to that talent? They dont. TRADE THEM BOTH.

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 11:33 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gm, I’d like to clean house, too, but Graham at least is young, has played
3-4, & has improved, & Cole is a complete waste!

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 10:39 am

Shouldn’t be as big of a transition, than everyone is thinking. Cole doesn’t fit at all. He’ll be traded. Tapp is a FA & GONE. Patterson, Landri, & Dixon, don’t fit, & will be released. Cox, Jenkins & Thornton fit perfect as 3-4 DE’s. Graham, Curry, & Hunt can play rush OLB’s. Kendricks (came from 3-4) & Ryans will have no problem playing inside. We’re going to need NT’s & regardless of the DF, the secondary needs a house-cleaning.

FA’s for thought- FS Jairius Byrd (#1 priority), OT’s Jake Long/ Ryan Clady/ Branden Albert, ROLB Anthony Spencer/ Paul Kruger, NT Terrance Knighton.

Draft prospects- 1st & 2nd (with/without trade) DT/NT Star Lotuleilei, ROLB Jarvis Jones (Spinal Stenosis), ROLB Damotre Moore, ROLB Bjoern Werner, ROLB Barveious Mingo, CB DeMarcus Millner, CB Xavier Rhodes, CB Jonathan Banks, NT Jonathan Hankins, NT Jonathan Jenkins, FS Kenny Vaccaro, FS Eric Reid, SS Matt Elam, NT Jesse Williams.

My hopes- Trade Trent Cole & 5th rounder, to KC for #34.
#4- NT Star Lotuleilei/ ROLB Damotre Moore.
#34- NT Jesse Williams/ ROLB Alex Okafor.
#35- SS Matt Elam/ FS Eric Reid/ CB Xavier Rhodes.

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 10:45 am
Reply to  DCar

Make the trade, & get a combo of the 3, & I’ll be very happy. Preference- Lotuleilei, Okafor & Elam.

paulman
paulman
January 23, 2013 11:10 am
Reply to  DCar

Nice DCar..

The Key to the Eagles really nailing this Draft is to get at least 2 more additional Picks within the First 3 Rounds (Top 96 Picks) ..
which would give them 5 Selections from a Talented Pool of Defensive Players at Positions of Need (DT,OLB,Safety & CB)
Eagles best trading chips as far as Value Goes in decent Draft Picks in Return are WR Jeremy Maclin (Cheap Contract Year-highly motivated) Trent Cole (Pats Belechek has always loved T Cole’s game) & Cullen Jenkins and to be honest, I would not mind seeing them all go

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 11:37 am
Reply to  paulman

Paul, that would be nice. Other than releasing Vick & ASSomugha, I’d tell the entire NFL, the roster is an open store, make your best offer!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2013 11:06 am
Reply to  DCar

I’d love to have Ryan Clady, Jarius Byrd, and Terrance Knighton. I also want LaDarius Webb, Aquib Talib, and Dane Fletcher, a nice nucleus of Veteran leadership, and talent. You’d have to keep a tight reign on Talib though.

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 11:46 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Byrd & one of the OT’s, are critical! Spencer can’t be franchised & would be perfect for the switch. Knighton, is a good upcoming NT & shouldn’t break the bank.Trufant, Fletcher can be low cost, talents to compete & add depth. It’s a MUST, that we knock this draft out of the park, sign good FA’s, & hope last years draft, continues the uptick. IMHO, Cox, Curry, Kendricks will transition easy to 3-4, & Boykin, Foles, Brown, & Kelly, are the wild-cards!

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2013 8:38 pm
Reply to  DCar

DCar Alex Okafor, skill wise is like a 3rd -4th Round Pick, any higher is over-drafting him, same for Matt Elam who should be selected no higher than the 3rd round.

jakedog
jakedog
January 23, 2013 11:07 am

Dixon can play nose, the eagles have players who can transition to the outside in a 3-4, they need to scrap the entire secondary, rebuild, and draft a big, stud wide out, also tight end, no qb in the draft, its the secondary and big playmakers

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 11:54 am
Reply to  jakedog

Jake, you have a better chance of playing NT. Just because he’s a tub of lard, doesn’t mean he’s a NT. He can’t hold up as a 4-3 DT, can you imagine him getting double & triple teamed by the OG’s & center, in a 3-4? He wasn’t on the scrap heap, for no reason.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 2:52 am
Reply to  DCar

LOL!!!!!!

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
January 23, 2013 11:20 am

Dixon can’t stay on the field. You can’t go into the season with him as your NT in a 3-4. You will be looking for some guy on a couch in week 4.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 23, 2013 11:22 am

Didn’t Kelly say he wasn’t married to a 3-4? Until the DC gifts hired nobody is going anywhere. What happened to coaching to the players ability? Here is a better scenario fix the secondary and LB’s first before you worry about the 3-4 or 4-3.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 23, 2013 11:55 am

The hardest part of switching to a 3-4 will be finding a good Nose Tackle.

Many of our current DEs can switch to stand-up 3-4 OLBs. A couple like Graham and Curry might be better 3-4 OLBs.

Mike Patterson actually played in Pete Jenkins two-gap system when Pete was the D-Line coach here so he can play 3-4 DE along with Fletcher Cox and Cullen Jenkins.

Find a NT, replace the safeties and one CB and coach-em up.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 23, 2013 11:59 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Which means if your not drafting Star whatever his name is with the 4th pick we’ll be seeing a 4-3.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 23, 2013 8:40 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Actually Biggie even if he is selected, it would still be unclear because, Star Lotululei, can play in a 3-4, or 4-3.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 23, 2013 9:32 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I thought he was slotted as a big nose tackle gmcliff, is he a difference maker?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 2:55 am
Reply to  Biglion821

YES INDEEDEE!!!!!!!!!!!!…….GOT TO HAVE HIM….Think of him as the Hawaiian Jerome Brown/Haloti Ngata……That’s Star Lotululei……

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 3:05 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gm, hopefully he’s still there at #4.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 10:34 am
Reply to  DCar

Me too DCar. If not, then trade down, and try to get anextra pick in the first round, and draft DeMontre Moore, and Ezekiel Ansah to be our rush Linebackers in the 3-4.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 10:37 am
Reply to  DCar

We can draft Brandon Williams DT 6-3 341 LBS, Missouri Southern State, in the 4th Round. He’s not on Lotululei’s level yet, but is powerful, and quick in his own right, but may have to work to gain the same respect as Star, coming from a small college….remember that name.

bsmvideos
January 23, 2013 12:49 pm

Forget the “change defensive lineman into outside linebacker” crap.

It’s bad enough we have “Experimental” head coach. Now you want to start experiment players. No thank you.

Say good bye to trent cole. Even in his prime he disapeared at the end of the season and playoff time.

John McKay use to say he had a 4 year plan for getting his team to the superbowl. when a reporter asked him “why 4 years”, he said “because that’s how long my contract is.”

Get all the bums off this team and start from scratch.

DCar
DCar
January 23, 2013 1:04 pm
Reply to  bsmvideos

Exactly! Cole is gone. Graham is a different story. He can play 3-4.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 23, 2013 4:08 pm

DCAR — just like you saying Jon Gruden has accepted the job as Eagles coach right when they never even talked to him. Clown.

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 12:37 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

BoB, I relayed information, I got from Baldy. Nobody even knew he was an option. Then it all came out afterward. Lurie even said he talks to Gruden all of the time. Do you think on the day he hired Chip, that he was going to tell anyone, he had job conversations with Gruden? I never said he had the job, I said it was his to take, but he was hesitant, because of the power Lurie, didn’t want to give it to him. Go read my comments, A-hole! He didn’t get the job. Life goes on! I didn’t want him, I wanted Billick, Fangio, or Bradley. So how am I a clown, you dickhead! I give my opinions & do research, & a lot of fact finding, what do you bring to the table here, troll, other than your stupidity, & idiocy?

jakedog
jakedog
January 23, 2013 10:22 pm

I hope many of you read the courageous Post of Wes Welkers wife about the thug, murder suspect, plead down to obstruction of justice, this animal glorified by the nfl, the linebacker for the ravens, ray Lewis, everything that is wrong with the nfl is exemplified by this punk ass faggot I would love to meet this so called bad ass in a real mans dual, Mano a Mano, without his weapons, and beat his ass

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 12:39 am
Reply to  jakedog

LOL! Take it easy tough guy, you might hurt yourself! Just messing with you. 😀

concrete_marley
concrete_marley
January 24, 2013 10:11 am
Reply to  jakedog

Now that I would pay to see! Ray Lewis would tear your head off and shit down your neck Jake. And the world would be a better place as a result. Smh you never talked this tough to Navy when he was completely bitching you in front of everyone on this site. Just go away dude. I think Sean Hannity’s website is a better place for you. Bitch.

jakedog
jakedog
January 23, 2013 10:23 pm

Go 49ers

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 12:49 am

So Im hearing the Jets may be trying to trade Darrelle Revis whos coming off a season ending ACL tear..

My Thoughts: Should the Eagles pursue a trade for the best CB in the league? Yes. I believe DRevis will come back even stronger than before. Id pursue a trade if I were the Eagles. First gotta check the injury out and make sure hes healed up but man a healthy DRevis can transform your entire secondary and defensive front allowing more exotic blitzes and risk taking..

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 2:41 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Very interesting! But will he ever regain, that cutting ability & coverage speed, that he’s well known for? IDK! Would be tempting, if he is truly healthy & on the market. Not everyone is a Genetic freak, like AP, & able to come back miraculously fast, & even better. He’s only 27 & I believe is making $11.5M until 2014 FA. That’s less than ASSomugha. What a joke. We’ll see, because before he got hurt, he was demanding like $16M per. Maybe we can have an injury leverage.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 3:01 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I heard that too Jon, months ago. I have been saying for months that we should look into making that happen. Darrelle Revis, and Ladarius Webb make Nnamdi, easily expendable. Re-sign DRC fat a reasonable price, and add in the drafting of Xavier Rhodes, and Bhili Wreh -Wilson from Connecticut, and a more experienced Brandon Boykin, and our CB issue is fixed for the next 8 years.

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 3:12 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Where do you think Wren-Wilson will go, 3rd-4th? Intriguing, almost 6’2″ good coverage & can actually tackle. I think they need to load up on secondary. At least 4-6 picks/ players, in FA & draft.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 7:31 am
Reply to  DCar

Dcar, they need CBs 6’0 and taller. Look at the Seahawks corners. That’s unreal how tall they are with great coverage ability, and freaking physical. When the birds switch to the 3-4 they gotta switch to bigger more physical corners. I believe the Seahawks tallest starting CB is 6’4 hahaha thats tall

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 11:30 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Your words, to God’s ears. Reid is gone, so hopefully the days of drafting Smurfs, Oompa Loompas, & square pegs, in round holes, are over.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 10:40 am
Reply to  DCar

Wilson will go late 2nd early 3rd Round……This is why the Eagles need to get more picks.

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 11:36 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Same thinking here GMC. They Cole, Patterson, & Maclin, as possible chips too. Other than a few of last years draft picks, I’d say to teams, Open store, give me your best offer. So, the more picks, the merrier.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 7:26 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I agree GM

Frank22
Frank22
January 25, 2013 9:02 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Webb will get the tag from the Ravens..

Frank22
Frank22
January 25, 2013 9:03 am
Reply to  Frank22

if they cant get a deal done with Flacco, which they have to now.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 25, 2013 5:12 pm
Reply to  Frank22

I don’t know big Frank. He is out for the year now, and some of the guys behind him have stepped up and are now headed to the SuperBowl without him. Do they really need to Franchise him?…….

They also have to figure out how to pay Flacco, Haloti Ngata, is on a 2 year deal, Michael Oher, is up for a new deal soon, Terrell Suggs, and one of the other Linebackers as well.

There is a good chance he will be available for the Eagles to get a young, physical, shut down corners, like Webb, and Talib, which would allow any CB drafted to come along slowly, and not be rushed into expectations.

Frank22
Frank22
January 25, 2013 6:03 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

GM, I hope you are correct.. He’d be a hell of a free agent pick up. It seems to me that a team like the a Ravens are too smart to let a kid of his quality hit the streets. But curcumstances can dictate that sometimes. What’s Jimmy Smiths deal?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 26, 2013 3:19 pm
Reply to  Frank22

He is strictly special teams. He still has 2 years on his rookie deal. He hasn’t developed like the Ravens would have liked. But because he is young, and still has some potential, so they won’t give up on him yet. He is approaching bust status if he cant turn things around soon.

When he was drafted I had him forcasted as a 2nd round pick, although he had 1st Round talent. Based on where he is at in his professional career you can see why.

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 3:18 am

BTW, anybody hear if the Birds signed DT Armond Armstead? There was a story last week, about them working him out. He’d be a low risk/ high reward depth guy, for the 3-4 DE.

Rhino
Rhino
January 24, 2013 4:14 am
Reply to  DCar

Im hearing he was signed by New England…

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 5:05 am
Reply to  Rhino

Thanks. Oh well.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 7:06 am

Eagles and Jets would talk trade
Maybe QB Vick & WR Maclin for Revis??
Then Release Asmo, Re-sign DRC and then Draft a CB
Of corse both Vick and Revis would have to rework their current deals for this to work, but Jets need some offense and Maclin in final year of his Rookie Deal
And is relatively cheap and obviously knows New OC MM System
Could be a win, win for everyone

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 7:18 am
Reply to  paulman

Only issue with that is Vicks deal like you mentioned. Its an untradeable contract. Noone wants that. And I would think that the Jets want draft picks, what reasons would the birds trade Maclin for? Hes actually the most consistent productive WRs we have if you check the numbers, I was pretty surprised when I saw them. Birds keeping him.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 24, 2013 8:55 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Jon Hart and I agree on something? That’s weird. Maclin is our best WR.

As for the “only issue” is Vick’s contract. Well…that and the fact he stinks.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 7:24 am
Reply to  paulman

Also I keep Revis at the current deal, he deserves every dime of the contract if hes healthy and the normal Revis again.. Man this would be a big pick up for the Birds.

greenfan
greenfan
January 24, 2013 9:51 am
Reply to  paulman

I would trade DJax, who with the Jet’s mentality would provide a higher profile “splash” and for the Birds would be a lesser hit than Maclin from a production level.

I doubt that they would be interested in Vick. If they wait a little bit they can pick him up as a FA, but also there have been reports of problems between him and MM their new OC.

It may take adding a draft pick with DJax to get it done.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 2:20 pm
Reply to  greenfan

They’re not trading DJax.. if anything the Eagles would have to give up there 1st overall pick for Revis and that would be all. If your the Eagles are you willing to do that? Lets put it this way either Bama’s Dee Milliner or Darrelle Revis? Id take the latter

greenfan
greenfan
January 25, 2013 8:37 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I don’t think it would take the 4th pick in the draft. They are entertaining trades because they think he will walk after next year and they will be left with nothing in return.
Truthfully, after the bad experience we just had with a FA corner who played terrible and another corner obtained in a trade who underperformed, I think it might be a better plan to draft some talent and train them in your system.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 25, 2013 1:30 pm
Reply to  greenfan

I think Revis will come back stronger than ever. Modern medicine has made huge advancements in this current age. It no longer takes guys a full year or so to recover. I go back to AP, he explained during a interview that he took full advantage of t rehab period and and trained hard. He said he wanted to be better than he was before. Did he prove it? I think we’d all agree he did. Id take revis for the right price, I just dont have an idea what that price is.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 7:10 am

Prospect DT John Jenkins had some poor reports from Senoir week
Out of shape and had a hard time bringing it with the pace of the Drills and would tire out after a few snaps which happens to a lot of big fellas

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 11:41 am
Reply to  paulman

Yeah, & I heard he was bull-dozing O-linemen, pissing them off. Don’t know where you heard that at, Paul?

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 11:46 am
Reply to  DCar

We don’t need a workout warrior at NT. NT’s are supposed to be powerful loads in the middle, to contain, absorb double teams, & collapse the center. Who cares if he can run the cone drills, & that crap? Fatties aren’t supposed to be in great shape. LOL!!!! Watch the tape, dude is a monster in the middle.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 11:58 am
Reply to  DCar

From Mike Mayock and Chatles Davis this morning on NFL Network on their recap of yesterrdays Practice Sessions from Mobile..

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 12:03 pm
Reply to  paulman

What do they know? 8D

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 2:26 pm
Reply to  DCar

They said he was out of shape and struggled in keeping up with the Drills, I would be concerned as a Scout if a highly Touted player gets winded after a few snaps.. This week is these Prospects Interviews and not be in the best of shapes to impress is a major red flag for me

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 24, 2013 10:10 am

I’m not a big Desean Jackson fan anymore, but there’s no way they trade him now that Chip Kelly is here. Absolutely no way.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 25, 2013 5:29 am
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

Exactly Bird, lets hold judgment until we see both Desean and Jeremy in this Chip Kelly offense.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 24, 2013 10:12 am

The Eagles have also met with two other quarterbacks — West Chesters Ryan Nassib, a fast-rising prospect from Syracuse, and Arkansas Tyler Wilson — and it can be safely assumed that each of the six will have sat down with Kelly and his staff before Saturdays game.

Manuel is perhaps the most intriguing prospect of the six because of his skill set and his potential in the offense Kelly plans to run. The 6-foot-4, 230-pound former Seminole passed for more than 3,000 yards this past season, rushed for more than 300 yards, totaled 27 touchdowns and left with Florida States career accuracy record.

Given the success this year of Robert Griffin III, Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson, three quarterbacks with great mobility and different draft pedigrees, it stands to reason that changes in the NFL game have helped boost Manuels stock.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 24, 2013 10:13 am

Manuel…..have to be the guy.

A more polished player than Randall was at that age.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 24, 2013 10:17 am

here’s more……..

Those guys are still throwing the ball vertically down the field at a high level, so you cant just say theyre runners, Manuel said. Theyre throwing the ball great and theyre still running great and thats whats breaking the defenses back out there.

Although the book on Manuel is that his accuracy dips in the face of heavy pressure and that his delivery isnt textbook, those flaws could potentially be masqueraded by an offense designed to capitalize on his ability to take off or just the threat of taking off, which is an advantage Kelly has discussed several times in the past week.

Well the guy Foles accuracy sucks ass so that’s not a drop off there.

Let’s get Manuel in here to turn this thing around, and let’s get a big strong receiver to replace DJax

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 10:46 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Songs, you know me I am one that often tends to agree with you, but this time I’m on the other side of the fence. EJ Manuel is nothing more than a Practice Squad Prospect; Average College QB, even worse a pro. He isn’t turning anything around in Philly.

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 11:51 am

***Just heard, Atl traded for Justin Upton*** I WANT BOOBENS HEAD, ON A F^#@ING PLATTER!!!! I don’t want to hear $#!T anymore, HE NEEDS TO F^#@ING GOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 11:56 am

Phils now a 3rd Place Lock for NL East, No WIld-Card Possibilities

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 11:59 am
Reply to  paulman

And they also got 3B Chris Young. Prado+ the other way. What a F^#@ING embarrassing disgrace!!!!

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 12:12 pm
Reply to  DCar

Upton- Upton- Heyward
Johnson- Simmonds- Uggla- Freeman
McCann…….. JUST WOW!………….F……U….. BOOBEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 12:18 pm
Reply to  DCar

strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout HOMERUN strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout strikeout

DCar
DCar
January 24, 2013 12:28 pm
Reply to  mhenski

YEAH GENIUS, & WHAT DOES OUR LINEUP DO?!?
K K K K K K K K POP POP K K K K K K POP POP POP K K K K K K K K K POP K POP K POP K POP K POP K POP K POP K POP K POP K POP K POP K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K K
You imbecile. Bring something of substance, or STFU!

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 1:00 pm
Reply to  DCar

Line up looks good on paper different sport but how is that line up on paper doing for the Lakers?

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 1:17 pm
Reply to  DCar

Dcar you sound like a little bitch crying waaaaaaaaaaaaa my gm didnt trade away the franchise for some overhyped upton brothers. waaaaaaaaaa, you should be fired because the braves got better waaaaaaaaaa. your acquisitions of allstars year after year wasnt good enough waaaaaaaaaaaa. waaaaaaaaa im dcar and i love crying and my pussy hurts waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 1:20 pm
Reply to  mhenski

substance.

uggla 168 ks
justin upton 121 ks
bj upton 169 ks
heyward 158 ks

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 1:21 pm
Reply to  mhenski

cant win it all with all those ks

DCar
DCar
January 25, 2013 2:47 am
Reply to  mhenski

Luckily you don’t know me, you’d see who the bitch with the pussy is, punk! I guess you are one of the pom-pom waving apologists, that bows at Boobens altar, where he does no wrong?!?

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
January 24, 2013 12:02 pm

Songs- just because you put Manuel in the same sentence with Wilson and RG3 doesn’t mean that he is near the same caliber player. Compare their final year college stats and you will see that Manuel’s stats are much closer to Foles than the other 2. With the way that he delivers the ball, he is much closer to Vince Young. You will be drafting him as a project with potential. You may be satisfied with that, but I am not.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 1:06 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Bugsy this kid is nothing like VY, he will be a serviceable pro QB, but he gets happy feet if he gets hit early and he starts looking at the pass rush instead of keeping his eyes down field. I would stay away from him but like Songs said Kelly has liked him since high school

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 24, 2013 12:52 pm

gmcliff…did you not say the same about burfict last offseason?

If Manuel comes in the league and rip things up while our QB sucks ass, guys like you will be saying “No one knew” or “he exceeded expectations”.

The fact is that you don’t know what he will be, but he have a higher ceiling than both the QB’s on the Eagles and if Kelly is the coach everyone thinks he is then Manuel is worth bringing in to compete for the QB position.

Chip Kelly thought he was worth it when Manuel turned him down during recruitment so he knows better than both of us.

Right?

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 7:28 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

No, Songs, I was right there with you about Burfict. Paulman, and I didn’t see eye to eye on our evaluation of him. I felt he would be better served as an OLB, instead of a MLB.

As far as Manuel is concerned, I’m really not worried about him turning into Russell Wilson, him, or any other QB in this years draft. He recruited him out of High School. That doesn’t say anything about his potential in the pros in his system.

He did not really pan out to be the player he envisioned either at Florida State. He is really being overvalued, because of his measurables. He’s no where near whwere Randall was coming out of College. EJ Manuel is headed to either 3rd String or someones Practice Squad.

BTW Songs, anytime I respond to any of your post it’s done with respect Brother. You don’t ever have to worry about GMCliff disrespecting your opinions….just having good conversation, and if your right Brother I will not hesitate to give you your props. Thats a promise.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 24, 2013 1:16 pm

Songs,
“If Manuel comes in the league and rip things up while our QB sucks ass”

What’s with this “our QB”? Back in the fold, are you?

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 1:40 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

jeesh the mush songs is back on board, we are fucked

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 1:34 pm

My analysis of EJ Manuel is very similar to Aaron Pryor’s from Ohio State
a good College QB, but not a NFL QB anytime soon.. If Manuel gets in the right situation, good Coaching and put’s in the effort and blossom’s, maybe a Josh Freeman of the TB Bucs type who is pretty good but not a “Franchise Type of QB” in fact TB Bucs are in no rush to extend his Contract which expires after 2013 so HC Schiano & GM are going to let Freeman play it out next Seasons and see how he does…

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 25, 2013 7:48 am
Reply to  paulman

Very Accurate Evaluation, and comparison to Terrell Pryor……no where near as talented as Josh Freeman; Freeman has a cannon. Manuel, can’t make all the throws, and is erratic, with inconsistent accuracy……..4th- 5th Round draftee talent wise.

paulman
paulman
January 25, 2013 10:23 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I was referring to EJ Manuel’s Boxing SKills to Aaron Pryor..
You know the lead right-hand jab, good head and bob movement with a nice left upper-cut… Remember those old classic Boxing Matches..
Talk about a SPort that is a joke anymore.. I grew up watiching the Friday Night/Saturday night Fights with the great Boxers of the 70’s & 80’s and me and my buddies would keep score and argue back and forth who won, etc,etc… Lot of fun…

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 24, 2013 1:39 pm

justin upton is a Fine YOUNG player. he has had a nice start to his career– his 162 game totals : .280, 24 HR, 78 RBI– they are remarkabley similar to an OLD leftfielder we had 162 game totals at .278, 23 HR and 93 RBI…. yet that player was universally ridiculed by many on here.
All that said the braves are young and talented as are the Nats. they have won the pennant and wildcard here in january there is no doubt. The only ray of hope we have is that its 162, the best team on paper rarely seems to win the WS (lately anyway)– lets play ’em out!

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 1:42 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

are you sure you dont wanna cry about instead and call the season over in January?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Reply to  mhenski

you are talking to the wrong person… or you read my comment wrong. no one on here is more die hard, stay till the end, ra rah on the phils than me! — i ended with ‘lets play ’em out’… that ain’t calling the season nimrod

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 2:17 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

hac bro im referring to dcar above…

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 24, 2013 2:20 pm
Reply to  mhenski

ok it was attached to my post.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 24, 2013 1:46 pm

Paulman….aren’t you the same guy who said Burfict wouldn’t make the NFL and would be a pitstop player in the CFL?

Paulman?

Did you grade Colin Kaepernick as a top QB prospect last year?

Before you answer just look at the comparable measurable with Manuel.

look at the scouts evaluation of Colin Kaepernick last offseason and you would think he was just a future clipboard holder with no mental aspects of the game.

Good Athlete…that’s it.

So, Paulman give me a break dude.

greenfan
greenfan
January 24, 2013 1:58 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Kaepernick did not come out last year…it was the year before.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 7:36 pm
Reply to  greenfan

Our evaluation of Kapernick was higher than Sam Bradfords. We posted Paul and I, that the Eagles should select him. The Eagles chose Danny Watkins, Jaiqwuan Jarrett, Mike Kafka, and Casey Matthews that year……….

jakedog
jakedog
January 24, 2013 2:25 pm

Head for shelter, Mt Vesuvius is about to blow, just wait for when Dcar reads mhenski’s post, it will be a classic

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 2:30 pm
Reply to  jakedog

dudes a fucking sissy man. i guess he is still angry his insider was wrong about gruden

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 24, 2013 3:08 pm
Reply to  mhenski

You are on your own… I don’t engage. All caps and &$?/&$ rants are not my thing. Nats are the favorites this year. Phil’s will need some breaks and in 162 breaks happen. Hell the rangers diddnt make the playoffs last year and as pointed out the loaded Phil’s team got knocked out of the playoffs in round one. Baseball is tough to predict.

DCar
DCar
January 25, 2013 3:08 am
Reply to  mhenski

Mh, as I stated above, you think I’m a sissy, I’ll meet you somewhere, anywhere, anytime, name it keyboard tough guy. You want to act like a big-shot, & shoot out name calling, name the place. I can guarantee you, you’ll regret it. I’ll have you in a fetal position, sucking your thumb, like a real sissy! You initiated this, so finish it, or keep it to sports! If not STFU, like the keyboard punk@$$, pu$$y you are!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 25, 2013 6:44 am
Reply to  DCar

“i’ll meet you somewhere, anywhere, anytime, name it keyboard tough guy”…. “you’ll regret it”…. LOL and HE’S THE KEYBOARD TOUGH GUY… read your own words!

DCar
DCar
January 25, 2013 10:43 am
Reply to  haveacigar

HAC, maybe, I ought to take your advice, & not let wannabe’s push my #’s. I might do something stupid! You’re right! I want to keep things civil, & about sports, but I CAN’T stand internet, PU$$Y trolls, diss me, & question my manhood. I was kind of a hypocrite! My Son, just told me the same thing.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 25, 2013 10:49 am
Reply to  DCar

as in real debate, threatening violence, raising your voice, cursing (@$%@#%%) signals that you’ve lost the arguement… thing is you usually make good sense even if we don’t agree. the ‘i’ll kick your ass stuff…..”
when i get out of line on here…call me on it and i will guarantee that i’ve had too much to drink. also, when gm cliff told me who his son is it hit me… i’ve met him and i know his h.s coach very well…

DCar
DCar
January 25, 2013 10:59 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Yeah, you’re right. Hey, we’ve had some battles on here, & are polar opposites on Booben, but we’re both Philly fans, & I think, want winners. So I do respect that.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 2:36 pm

Burfict proved me wrong and good for him and good for the Bengals
He went to a perfect situation with the Bengals who had some Veteran
Players and a Coaching Staff step up and help the guy,
All these Prodpects are simply that, Prospects and none of us or any Scout can ever get into an Thletes head. I go by the previous 18 a months of Burficts College Career and His lack of preparation leading up to last years Draft
He responded and manned-up, but I still stand by my assesment that he was a higher risk than other solids LBs that were out there last year like
Kuechley, Wagner,Kendrick’s,Hightower, etc, etc
It’s how the Teams utilize and Coach Up all of these Propects and the Players themselves that put the work and energy into their Profession that ultimately determines their Success in the NFL, not a Draft or Scouting Report

mhenski
mhenski
January 24, 2013 3:16 pm
Reply to  paulman

burfict proved paulman wrong and every team in the nfl besides the bengals wrong

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 26, 2013 3:23 pm
Reply to  mhenski

Not GMCliff!!! I was right about Vontaze Burfict, right down to the position he would have to play to be successful. Outside Linebacker, where he will be a fixture for the next 6-8 years.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 2:42 pm

Back to QB EJ Manurl who I have watched a dozen times over the last 2 Years and I am not that impressed with his Decision making skills
Can he develop, sure all Propects can, but as I,be stated numerous times
This QB Class is marginal at Best and I like 3 QB’s this a draft
Glennon, Bray and Nassib but would not use a 1st/2nd Round on any of them and would concentrate on the Positions of Strength instead like
The DL/OL/ LB/ Safety/ TE for the other Positions already simply Average
And since the Eagles have more Pressing needs at the strength positions of the this Ddaft, then that’s the Positiobs I would be selecting from in 2013

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 4:17 pm
Reply to  paulman

Tyler Wilson is the best QB in this draft period.

BirdoBeamen
BirdoBeamen
January 24, 2013 2:44 pm

I’d take EJ with no lower than a 3rd round pick.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 25, 2013 1:36 pm
Reply to  BirdoBeamen

You mean no higher than a 3rd round pick? IMO he wont fall any lower than the 3rd round. As much as guys wanna call him a athletic QB he has a good arm, pretty accurate too.

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 26, 2013 3:25 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

I wouldn’t draft him at all. If I did it would be with a pick no higher than a 5th Round Pick.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 24, 2013 3:24 pm

Songs says, “then Manuel is worth bringing in ”

Except you can’t “bring him in”. They have to draft him. And to do that they consequently have to not draft someone else.

Now, why anyone would use a 3rd round pick on a QB when they just used a 3rd round pick on a QB who performed well in the big leagues is a misuse of resources, expecially when the pick is needed to fill in other positons like CB, DE., DT and OL.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 3:37 pm

One thing is certain, they want to draft a QB. The Birds are reported to have there eyes on a number of QBs. They continue to meet with numerous QB prospects. Theyre not doing it just to pass time. They want/need a QB mobile enough to run that Chip Kelly offense. They may or may not feel what they currently have at the position is good enough.

Frank22
Frank22
January 24, 2013 4:16 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

That is exactly what Jeff Mosher said on Mike & Ike this morning. Great reporting Jon Hart

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 4:18 pm
Reply to  Frank22

Who? What?

Frank22
Frank22
January 24, 2013 4:22 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Slowly now… Jeff Mosher- eagles beat writer for DNL. Mike & Ike – WIP radio show. That is what he said word for word.. Sweet sources you have.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 4:45 pm
Reply to  Frank22

Frank I didnt hear anyone say that at all nor did i read it anywhere, I said what I felt. I have great sources when it comes to news involving the team but I don’t copy any writer or radio show or whatever . Maybe your obsession with the philly reporters and radio shows is what you need to examine instead of my thoughts.. sheesh

DCar
DCar
January 25, 2013 3:13 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT! SOURCES!!!!!!

Frank22
Frank22
January 25, 2013 10:49 am
Reply to  DCar

sweet… just copy and paste what you hear on the radio and provide them as your own. Just like this whole Manti Te’o to the Ravens, could you possible think for yourself? No, you take what you hear off of ESPN, DNL and rotoworld and report them as your own. I have no issue with you thoughts, nor do I have them with anyones on here. When you always say “my sources”, than you click on rotoworld and its pasted all over it. If you have a developmental issue that I am ot aware of, I apoligize in adavance. If you don’t, I have no idea what to say to you.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 3:59 pm

My $$$ is that they bring in QB Nick Florence from Baylor who may go with a 6th/7th Round Pick.. He ran the Baylor Offense (a very fast Tempo, with lots of short timing patterns,roll outs,screens,etc,etc beautifully last Season after taking over for RGIII, Baylor’s Offense didn’t miss a beat)
He’s only 6-0 and 205lbs which is why he’s Projected as a late Round Pick but is the kind of QB that Kelly has employed with his Oregon Offenses the last few Years but I would not be surprised to bring him in for Camp Competition as that 3rd QB or potential Pistol/Wildcat or whatever you want to call it for Red-Zone opportunites or just to mix it up..
I would not be surprised if we see Chip Kelly play the 2nd/3rd QB a Series or 2 during the Games just to mix things up for the Defense and keep everyone on their toes.. Maybe have a set of 6-8-10 Plays for a more mobile/quicker QB than FOles to be used at Certain Times of a Ballgame

gmcliff
gmcliff
January 24, 2013 7:41 pm
Reply to  paulman

Doesn’t have to be mobile, just a good decision maker……My money is on Foles, with no QB drafted by the Eagles before the 5th Round, if any.

Stevo
Stevo
January 24, 2013 4:00 pm

Id stick with Foles for this year and see how it goes but… ill back the coach if he doesnt see Foles as the guy.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 4:11 pm

**Breaking News***
Reported that Chip Kelly has contacted former Eagles Camp QB Adam DeMichelle (formerly of Temple) to see how he’s doing and whether he’s been keeping in “football shape”.. Details to follow…

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 24, 2013 4:14 pm

Jon Hart,

I don’t doubt that they might draft a QB. I expect that they will bring him along the same way the 49ers did with Kaepernick.

The Eagles can run a combination of west coast offense and zone/read offense exactly like the 49ers are doing with any QB, even Foles. I think the Eagles will run a base west coast offense. That’s why they have Pat Shurmur. The will work in the zone/read slowly

I would say that the Eagles talking to QBs is a sign that they will be getting rid of Vick. If they keep Vick then they will wait until next year to draft a QB. That’s my opinion.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 4:25 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish no way no how does Chip Kelly run a base west coast offense, Shurmur is here to work with whoever the QB’s are.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 24, 2013 4:52 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I don’t know Biglion. I doubt that Kelly will run the zone/read exclusively. But it wont be too long before we will know.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 4:59 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

I don’t think so either Irish, that first mini camp after the draft is going to be very interesting. Especially the first depth chart.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 4:28 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Excellent Point IrishEagle and I agree that the more interest in obtaining a QB in this Draft is defintely a signal that Vick is a goner.. (which I hope is the case) Kelly likes FOles and will develop a system that best utilizes his skills but I still think he would want a mobile QB who he can groom and put some packages in for Red-Zone/Short-yardage and just to give Teams another look once in a while…

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 4:36 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish and many others are forgetting that the offense Jim Harbaugh has employed in San Fran is almost identical to Chip’s, remember Chip used to make Jim and his Sanford squad look silly, beat them senseless so Jim brought that offense to San Fran and has the QB to run it and look where they are, in the SB..Good thoughts though Irish, I think they will run a little of the west coast and Chips pistol/zone read option/ confusion type offense.. many have said that the offense Chip runs is like a blur…almost impossible to stop..

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 24, 2013 5:18 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Jon Hart,

The 49ers jump into the pistol formation once in a while. They run a WCO base. Go watch some highlights on youtube. Or better still, make it a point to watch what Kaepernick is doing in the Super Bowl.

Maybe every 10 plays or so you see them in the pistol formation and Kaepernic reading the DE while he is handing-off the ball, or faking the hand-off and keeping it… I think I read that 31 percent of their offensive plays were in the pistol.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 5:33 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Not many teams run the WCO anymore, there may be principles from it but noone runs a base WCO anymore, I find that hard to believe. But other than the pistol formation, Jim has copied alot of what Chip ran against him in the Stanford vs Oregon days. Noone runs the offense like how Chip does it at all. Hes an innovator, in a league of his own.

paulman
paulman
January 24, 2013 4:41 pm

No way do a give up at 2nd Round PIck (#36 Overall) and 1st Rounder next Season (which most likely be a Top #10 Selection) for a 28 Year CB coming off major ACL Surgery.. No way, no how.. Go Draft a CB and develop him..
Who knows how his Lateral movement and overall SPeed are impacted..
You guys crack me up tinking that Adding an All-Pro CB is going to put this Team over the Top for 2013.. This Team needs 20 new PLayers on the Roster and not older,injured, expensive Veteran Players.. They need to acquire thru the Draft as much Young Talent as possible and then play them.
2013 is going to be ugly, be prepared for it, but it’s a neccessary evil if the Eagles and Chip Kelly are really looking at setting a proper Foundation for consistent future success.. But adding players who’s best days are behind them has already F’d up this Franchise (Samuel, then Asmo,Jenkins,VY,Steve Smith,R Brown..) Do the Eagles continue to pursue older players who are dmaged or on their way down as far as production.. Think longer term..(2-3-4 Years down the road) and not for 2013 ..

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 4:43 pm

The other thing we all miss about Chip Kelly and his offense while arguing about QB’s is this major important part. His offenses are explosive because of the running game that’s why Oregon isn’t a hotbed of pro style QB’s but hey let’s keep disagreeing about Foles, Vick and Manuel and whoever is taking snaps.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 4:45 pm

If anybody should be excited it should be Lesean McCoy and Bryce Brown.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
January 24, 2013 4:56 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I agree BigL, everyone wants to debate Vick Foles but the true success of the Chip Kelly offense is through his balance. Like you said the RBs should be excited.. But his O doesnt go without the run game.. And some things that Vick has like mobility and athleticism Foles doesnt and vice versa, so neither QB has everything that would be needed to run this Chip Kelly offense, maybe thats why Chip is searching high and low for a QB during this senior bowl week..

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 24, 2013 5:23 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

I agree with that… I think Foles is out the door as soon as Kelly can find a guy like RG3 or Kaepernick. I just don’t think he will find him too easy.

You can’t shake a tree and expect RG4 to fall out of it….

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 24, 2013 5:53 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

If they could find a way to trade him for some kind of return he’d be gone tomorrow.