• September 29, 2022

Are You Happy As An Eagles Fan?

110413_Foles_Cooper_600Are you happy as an Eagles fan? Does the body of work through the first ten games bring a smile to your face? Is there hope for the rest of the season?

The Eagles are 5-5, and are in the position to go into their bye week in sole possession of first place if they can beat the Washington Redskins. We play the same team where the Chip Kelly introduction began week one on national television.

To say it has been a collection of ups and downs since that record setting, jaw-dropping and media frenzy game would be an understatement. We have watched our team fail to win at home, start three quarterbacks, and go two straight games without an offensive touchdown.

We have also been the witness to our back-up quarterback entering his name in the record book by throwing seven touchdowns in a single game. We wait in excitement as Foles continues his effort to have his name atop a record set by Peyton Manning with touchdowns throw without an interception to begin a season. Our defense we see doing some good things. McCoy continues to lead the league in rushing even with some games where he didn’t produce like we know he should. Riley Cooper has made his name a household mention, showing great chemistry with his quarterback and producing stats far greater than his talent level.

Enjoy the present we try to do, but a big question still remains. Are we comfortable with Foles not just as our quarterback this season, but as our “franchise” quarterback? There are some quarterbacks available in the 2014 draft that could do a lot more of the “full” Chip Kelly playbook.

Do we want that element enough that we are willing to witness the rookie struggles of a quarterback?

Does the hope and desire that his upside would allow the Eagles to have that offense similar to what we watched when a running style quarterback like Vick was under center? We are excited about the things that Foles has done, but do we see enough with his intangibles that says he could be our “franchise” quarterback? What else must he do? How would the Eagles have to finish this season to not draft a quarterback in the first round, but direct that focus on a receiver that could provide an additional weapon for Foles or a stud on the defensive side that could help the 3-4 transition?

I really think Sunday is the biggest test yet for Foles, because it’s at home. He has been fantastic on the road, as well as the entire Eagles team this season minus the game in Denver. I have not been to a home game this year, and I could only get from your reaction for those who have gone with how bad the atmosphere has been.

Winning Sunday ends the drought, and re-energizes the home crowd for the Cardinals and Lions game after the bye week. The Redskins defense will allow Foles to have a good day under center. We are going to face a much healthier RG3 this time around. With all of that said, we are the better football team.

It’s useless to say it, it’s time to earn it, prove it. Let’s go Eagles, it’s game-time!

Jeff Kolsky

Read Previous

Notes From The Sixers’ 123-117 Win Over Houston

Read Next

Thursday Night Football Pick

0 0 votes
Article Rating
109 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
mhenski
mhenski
November 14, 2013 12:07 am

Fuck yes!

No more mike Vick!!!!!

No more cool aid man Andy reid!!!

Shady dominating!!!!

Djax dominating!!!!!

Foles looking unreal. !!!!

Defense improving!!!!

Chip doing a great job!!!!!

Riley fucking cooper out there playing like jordy Nelson!!!!!

You’re not an eagles fan if you ain’t happy right now.

Let’s go iggles

Improve each week change the culture of eagles football from past years and do us proud.

Nick fucking foles are you kidding me???

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
November 14, 2013 4:12 am

Hope and Optimism vs Eye rolling, head shaking “not again”.

I’ll take the former.

DCar
DCar
November 14, 2013 4:34 am

Happy fan? No. More optimistic fan, than I was 3-5 weeks ago? Absolutely! The only things I’m happy about, are, Shady is a beast, Cox, Thornton, Kendricks, Barwin, & Boykin, are solid young pieces, to a future nucleus, & we have been overachieving. Still not 100% convinced with Foles & Cooper’s great play (A few more good starts will fix that). We still need a true, big #1 WR. Although our DF has been an improving, bend, but don’t break DF, we still have 3/4 of a secondary that are atrocious, in need of replacement, need another OLB, need a true NT, & we have ZERO quality depth, throughout the entire DF, & O-line. But, right now, I see some positives, for a new direction, & hope it’s not a mirage, because this city needs soe positive things in our sporting world!

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 5:16 pm
Reply to  DCar

DCar Brother, you can have Barwin, and Boykins. They are good depth, but we can bring in, or draft better starters than those two.

Here’s a sincere question, to all……Barwin hasn’t really done much this year, Boykins has a few interceptions, and many feel that they are part of our future nucleus…….Yet Foles has had games like no other QB in Eagles, and NFL History, and yet there is still doubt…..

Why the Hypocrisy?

I’m telling you brother these QB’s coming out this year, are not ready. I will go so far as to say Marcus Mariota, is not an NFL caliber QB. Appreciate Nick Foles family.

crazy johnny
crazy johnny
November 14, 2013 4:56 am

Spot on my Brotha’!

daggolden
daggolden
November 14, 2013 5:37 am

Week 11 and playing for something. How can you not be happy?

JimChunk
JimChunk
November 14, 2013 5:39 am

This is a great season. Ever since “yo Philly” went to WingBowl it’s been impossible to stop tuning in on this team. Billy Davis hasn’t stunk up the place, on the contrary. It just looks like the Birds are gonna have a very bright future. Can’t wait til Sunday. What a re-match! Both teams are better than before.This team is starting to see leadership and emerging players on both sides of the ball. I just wish we had J Mac in the mix too.Go Birds. The only thing that bugs me is how folks have to bring up the race thing on the site. I guess some of the blue folks will always cheer for the other blue folks, and some of the green will cheer for the green. That’s gonna happpen. It’s not a big deal. Just let it go . Some are alien others’ culture and can’t necc. relate. Sounds like another article to write on.

daggolden
daggolden
November 14, 2013 6:06 am

I hate to say this but I hope Peters doesn’t play. Its no coincidence that the run game got on track as soon as Peters left the game. Barbre has been a stud. As soon as he came in the run game flourished. Peters has 5 separate injuries and hasn’t been very good. A healthy Barbre is better than a injured Peters. Hope he plays.

haveacigar
haveacigar
November 14, 2013 7:00 am

uh YES! how could you not after the last two completely uninspiring seasons. Looks like there are some solid building blocks! After watching the drive to end out the game it is obvious that the ‘reach, project’ right tackle is a player- he completely dominated. Fingers crossed on foles and it looks like kelly is more than a gimmick coach. So yeah I’m happy- meaningful football games in late november a huge play offense sure.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
November 14, 2013 7:40 am

Chip Kelly’s looks like he might be a good head coach. Foles has been great, but it’s a shame that his future is so uncertain. If there is one thing that makes the season less enjoyable, it’s that we don’t know if team is growing and gaining experience playing together, or if the team will be starting over next season.

I’m getting tired of wasted seasons, and that’s what this was if Foles does not turn out to be the answer. I guess we will see…..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 14, 2013 7:56 am

the oakland blowout lead to field time for roc carmichael, najah goode and allen barbre which were all needed as full starters last week due to injury.
the bye week is much needed after that green bay game.

paulman
paulman
November 14, 2013 7:57 am

It’s been an exciting Season so far and HC Kelly & Staff have done a very good Job after a shaky start.. The Team is in excellent Condition,
Have cut down on Turnovers and Mental mistakes..
Defensively, they are Rackling a 100% better than the last few Seasons
My Unsung Players on Offense
LG Evan Mathis. & WR Riley Cooper & QB Nick Foles
(We already know that McCoy & D-Jax are very Talented and Playmakers and have proven so for most of the Season)
Defensively, my unsung Hero’s are
Cedric Thornton, DeMeco Ryans, Bradley Fletcher and yes,
Nate Allen who has played very solid,smart Football and his best as a Pro since the Chiefs Game in my opinion..
Special Teams Units are improving though Kicker Henerey has been inconsistent and the Pubt Return Fame has not been a factor like I thought it would be..
I watch a lot of Football and probably too much if you ask my wife,
But many of you are overestimating the state of the NFL
The Game is different know and all about Scoribg TD’s Big Plays, and Creatibg Turnovers, look around the NFL, you can count the steams with any quality depth on their Rosters, we have seen key injurires just bury a couple of Teams early (Texans without Foster, Falcons without Jones, etc)
And when the Topic gets around to Defense, it become a hodge-podge and a roll of the dice.. I can name 4-5 Teams with Quality, tough, deep,Defenses
(Chiefs, Seahawks, 49ers, Panthers, Jets & maybe the Browns)
With the Salary-Cap Mera and $20 Million QB’s, there is less and less $$$ to build and keep a deep Roster as Teams like the Ravens, Giants,Falcons,
Steelers, Cowboys are finding out..
The key to many Goid Teams is that they have Younger, less expensive QB’s playing and playing well at some very low Salaries on Rookie Deals
(Luck, Wilson, Kaep, Dalton).. It will be interesting to see how some of these Teams look in 2 Years Time when it’s time for their QB’s to get new Deals and Franchise QB $$$ and how this impacts thei Teams Salary Cap Structure
Today’s NFL is about building with Youth
And remaining somewhat healthy as the Eagłes have been pretty fortunate thus
far and especially across their OL which is really beginning to gel as a Unit and will be thei Eagles Key as they push towards the Playoffs

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
November 14, 2013 7:58 am

Washington’s ryan kerrigan and deangleo hall are going to be stalking Nick Foles. Neither cares about giving up the big play in order for them to make a big play. Interesting to see how Nick Foles handles those two.

DonP
DonP
November 14, 2013 8:34 am

I thought before the season started we would be 7-9 if lucky 8-8 so yea i’m happy and as far as this week I think game will be tough but we pull out home win finally

Theone1
Theone1
November 14, 2013 8:50 am

Happy Fan indeed! The defense is comming along, and we spend so much time evicerating the QB’s on this site that we forget thet Philly is truely a defensive football town. We like smakem in the mouth type defense, and athletic /running QB’s. MV7 had an amazing game against the Skins to debut Chips baby. If foles has a monster game to secure first place, I say he starts indefinitely, and Vick is outta here. Still draft a QB next year. 2nd round
however, because we will need a second or third stringer anyway. The defense is comming along nicely. Young pieces to grow with.

Xevious
Xevious
November 14, 2013 9:38 am

sure thing…there is hope for the rest of the season and Beyond. Change is good and the last pieces of the old regime are on their way out. Young guys are taking over at almost all positions….this is exciting and a really good thing considering the past few years. Lets see how the rest of the season plays out before we start planning the draft and free agency. Still time for a lot of young guys to shine.

Stevo
Stevo
November 14, 2013 10:24 am

Yes!! No more bombs away playcalling!!! And… an nfl d.c.. all cherries after that!! All i want for christmas is a SS who can hit someone in the mouth.

jcheez82
jcheez82
November 14, 2013 10:38 am

Im still on the fence a little…. Do I like what Im seeing from a team predicted to go 4-12 at the begininng of the season??? ABSOLUTELY!!! But I think most of our woes comes from the front office, more specifically Jeff Lurie, n Joe Banner. non football guys who think of their wallets first. Sickening

Theone1
Theone1
November 14, 2013 11:19 am
Reply to  jcheez82

Cream of the Crap

Erog
Erog
November 14, 2013 11:00 am

Play RG like we did Pryor only a lil less worried about run threat. LB’s need to step up for MK and as long as Demeco draws breath we win. Time to end the misery up at the Linc. Cary Williams needs to mix it up with Pierre early. A gap blitz him early and see how that knee is feeling.

Offense needs to keep goin with run approach we saw in GB. Foles adds 2 touches.

Birds win….28-17

Defense 3 sacks and a pick by Williams.

Erog
Erog
November 14, 2013 11:01 am

Banners with the Browns cheez….be on time if your gonna whine.

jcheez82
jcheez82
November 14, 2013 11:25 am

I meant to say Roseman Erog…. and the question was were u happy with the team??? not how to beat the redskins. lol

Stevo
Stevo
November 14, 2013 11:46 am

Great points about the F.O.

I think they had a chance to add a pure weapon at FS this off season and instead tried to land a steal with torn acl guy. Its what theyve done over and over and it has not worked. So… im happy with the coaching and the play of the guys here but they still need to add players from time to time. Draft them? Yes… but they need to step up in FA from time to time still.

Erog
Erog
November 14, 2013 11:58 am

I dont answer questions like that. Cause noone really cares. Strategy is my m.o..

I’ll save the feelings and emotions for the name callers on here.

paulman
paulman
November 14, 2013 1:29 pm

****Safety Ed Reed signed with the NY Jets to reunite with Coach Rex Ryan
who was the DC with the Ravens during Reed’s early Years..

Zukny
November 14, 2013 2:20 pm

Going into the season I wasn’t too optimistic. I felt the receivers weren’t that great, the defense wasn’t great & it would take awhile for the offense to gel under Chip Kelly.

BUT NOW! We have Foles playing like he is a seasoned Vet and defense is killing it.. It feels damn good to be an Eagles fan right now.. Future is BRIGHT

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 14, 2013 2:41 pm

Here’s the deal.

Eagles have improved over last year with 5 wins already and the arrow pointing up towards continued improvement over next few seasons.

That for me = Happy.

greenfan
greenfan
November 14, 2013 3:29 pm

Are you kidding me….you have to ask??

Waking up on a Monday morning after an Eagles win….there is NO BETTER way to start the week!! To few days like that the past few years, I enjoy them even more after those years.

Kelly’s first year….alot of changes….everyone is still working to get on the same page, but after 10 games we are seeing both sides of the ball playing better and things are looking up. Not to get ahead here, but wait until next year when Kelly and his staff have a full offseason, a draft and FA’s, we will really get an idea of what this coach can do!!

Hapy, happy, happy…but being an Eagles fan we are always prepared for the sky to fall and take this happiness away!! LOL

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
November 15, 2013 8:19 am

Foles stock is high which is a blessing after tanking that dallas game.

The Eagles can trade him to the Jags for at least a 2nd rounder and a player.

We can really load up and get the QB that fits Chip’s mould and maybe give Vick a pedestrian contract to back up the right read option QB.

A QB with height, great arm and serious mobility, but above all smarts.

I believe this QB will get us to the promised land and if he’s not there to get then just keep Foles as the starter with Vick as back up.

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 15, 2013 6:40 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

MORON foles is Legit and the future!

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 6:02 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

There is no QB in the draft that is better than Foles.

Bridgewater is going to the Jags, and Mariota is a strictly COLLEGE System QB, that is not ready for the NFL.

Our

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 6:02 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

There is no QB in the draft that is better than Foles.

Bridgewater is going to the Jags, and Mariota is a strictly COLLEGE System QB, that is not ready for the NFL.

Our QB OF THE FUTURE NICK FOLES!!!!

jakedog
jakedog
November 15, 2013 8:35 am

Haha, the reverend songs resurfaces, where the hell you been my man, stick around, enjoy the ride

mhenski
mhenski
November 15, 2013 10:50 am

I ABSOLUTELY HATED DESEANS GAME PRIOR TO THIS SEASON AND HIS ATTITUDE AND SHENANIGANS BUT HE IS AN ABSOLUTE BEAST OUT THERE THIS YEAR. I RESPONDED TO DENNYS ARTICLE THAT HE WAS MISSING DESEANS POINT AND DESEAN WAS JUST SENSING THE TEAM IS ON TO SOMETHING AND TRYING TO RALLY THE 12TH MAN… AND THEN THIS COMES OUT!!!!!!!!!

DeSean Jackson attributes his 2013 success to finally “buying into the system” as a sixth-year pro.
“I just really bought in all across the board. Never really had done that in the past, maybe sometimes fighting the system,” Jackson said. “Staying focused and doing all the extra little things, being a teammate, being a leader. Staying after practice later, working hard, little things that being young, never took the importance of doing that.” Sitting at 54 catches for 903 yards and seven touchdowns after ten games, Jackson is on pace for career-bests in every category. He’s fantasy’s No. 4 overall receiver.

KEEP IT UP DESEAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2013 11:51 am
Reply to  mhenski

I am with you Henski and have not been a big D-Jax Fan for his distractions and atttitude, but that’s in the past now and he’s been rejuvenated and re-focused which is great to see..He has a nice Contract that will take care of him and his family for the rest of his life and then some but he is also smart enough to know that if he performs and at high level, that Eagles will have no problem paying him over his agreed upon Deal, but that if he were to struggle, pout or show signs of selfishness that
Coach Kelly would not put up with…. He’s excited about the new Offense and engaged and focus and having an All-Pro Season thus far…
Eagles Offense is much more potent attack with a engaged and motivated D-Jax..

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2013 12:32 pm

Here is an early Dark Horse QB to Draft in the Mid/Late Rounds in Next Years Draft to be the Back-up to Foles (Who is not going anywhere)
Jordan Lynch from Northern Illinois University (6-1 215lbs)
48TD’s – 11 Int’s over the last 2 Seasons… Completes about 65% of his Passes, Runs a Spread Up-Tempo Offense at Northern Illinois and has a very High Football IQ which is a requirement for Chip Kelly and has rushed for over 3,000 yards over the last 2 Seasons and handles the ball very well
This is the type of QB that can be available in the 4th/5th Round and has Started 25 Games in his College Career and lead the Huskies to a 22-2 Record since his Junior Season and is a Winner and can easily handle the Read-Option as a back-up for Kelly for down the road..
Keep an eye on this name, QB Jordan Lynch from Northern Illinois ..

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 5:25 pm
Reply to  paulman

That’s where I would draft a QB…In the LATER rounds. We don’t to draft a QB in the earlier rounds.

Here’s a sincere question, to all……Barwin hasn’t really done much this year, Boykins has a few interceptions, and many feel that they are part of our future nucleus…….Yet Foles has had games like no other QB in Eagles, and NFL History, and yet there is still doubt…..
Why the Hypocrisy?

I’m telling you brother these QB’s coming out this year, are not ready. I will go so far as to say Marcus Mariota, is not an NFL caliber QB.

Appreciate Nick Foles family.
Reply

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2013 2:28 pm

Paulman’s 2014 Eagles Mock Draft # 2
I am going to assume the Eagles finish with the 16th Selection in each Round
and No Trades for additional Picks, or moving up or back, etc..

1st Round (16th) – DE/OLB Trent Murphy (Stanford 6-6 260lbs)
2nd Rd (48th) – CB Kyle Fuller (Virgina Tech 6-0 195lbs)
3rd Rd (80th) – Safety Deone Buchannon (Wash State 6-1 215lbs)
4th Rd (112th) – WR DeVante Parker (Louisville 6-2 210lbs)
5th Rd (144th) – ILB Andrew Jackson (Western Ky 6-1 258lbs)
6th Rd (172nd – Guard Brandon Thomas (Clemson 6-3 315lbs)
7th Rd (208th) – DT Shannon Stephens ( U Conn 6-5 315lbs)

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 5:22 pm
Reply to  paulman

Kyle Fuller,is the only one on that list that I think is worth the draft spot, for that round, because he would be the only potential starter.

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2013 5:50 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I do not see many “Starters” from this Draft” period GMCliff..and especially on the Defensive Side of the Ball.. These Players I listed above (The Top 4 Picks anyways) will be Back-Ups/Rotational Players during their Rookie Season and poised to become Starters by 2015 in once in their 2nd Year

I see DE/OLB Trent Murphy as a true Jokerman (a poor man’s JJ Watt or closer to a Paul Kruger Type) High Motor, High Intensity, High Football IQ, a Quality Player who will become a Fan Favorite

CB Fuller will add Depth and compete for Playing Time & Special Teams (Fletcher,Williams, Boykin are all under Contract and will be returning for 2014 Season) Fuller will Compete for a Starter’s spot over Williams by 2015

Safety Buchannon again will compete for Playing Time, and be a Special Teams Demon as Kurt Coleman & Coly Anderson will be goner’s and will be a Starter come 2015 paired with Allen or Wolff

WR DeVante Parker has a lot of upside, size, speed & toughness and he will get stronger once in a NFL System and will be a nice 4th/5th WR during his Rookie Season and then move up to a Solid #3 WR come 2015
( I do not see the Eagles re-signing Maclin who I see leaving for Kansas City in Free-Agency, Chiefs will give him a 3 Year Deal, Eagles and most other Teams wil only offer 1 Season..maclin likes and trusts Andy Reids system and Andy Reid needs to upgrade his WR Position and now with Bowe in trouble with the law and NFL, as long as Maclin is heatlhy, AR will go hard after him and land him..

ILB A Jackson is a firecracker, a head hunting tackling machine and will provide Depth at the ILB and SPecial teams .. I do believe that Kendricks will move to the Outside by 2015 and that Jackson will compete for Starters Playing time as Ryans has a couple of seasons left..

Guard Brandon Thomas will compete as Back-Up Guard with a year or 2 to learn the Pro Game, Has very Quick Feet, and is very athletic for a big guy and would be a nice Fit in Kelly Up-Tempo Scheme which CLemson plays at the College Level.. Thomas could be a real sleeper pick here

DT Stephens, taking a flier on this one, but with his Size, why not, the Eagles need to add Depth at DT behind Logan…

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 8:46 am
Reply to  paulman

I disagree respectfully Paul.

Trent Murphy in my opinion is nothing special. He is mocked at late 2nd – mid 3rd Round pick…….and you want to pick him in the 1st?

Jackson is slow – runs a 4.8 40, and takes bad angles often because he over-pursues being overly aggressive with out results.

Other than Fuller, I don’t care for the other prospects.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2013 9:02 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff, assuming the Eagłes are Selecting 16th in the Draft each Round
Can you give me your 7 Round Selections..
Most Scouting Reports have Trent Murphy going from 18th to 23rd of the 1st Round..
Let’s see your early Mock..

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 12:45 pm
Reply to  paulman

I believe you Paul. But thats why I really don’t pay too much attention to those mocks, because when I see Stanford Players I see good system guys, but not necessarily as NFL Players, just depth guys, and He is one of them in my opinion. Just my opinion, like Marcus Mariota.

I would suggest my buddy who writes Walters Football Draft. Check him out. He has Trent Murphy as a late 2nd Round Pick.

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2013 5:34 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

I like the Eagles to go after a QB that go Undrafted
or with some young Athletic QB with some NFL Camp Experience/Practice Squad Players like CJ Kinnie, Thaddeous Lewis..
Here is a quick list of QB that may not get Drafted and be able to sign with anyone as as Undrafed Free-Agent (UFA)

1) Logan Thomas – Va Tech 6-6 250lbs
2) Keith Price – Washignton 6-1 205lbs
3) Jordan Lynch – Northern Illinois 6-1 215lbs
4) Keith Wenning – Ball State 6-2 220lbs
5) Casey Pachall – TCU 6-4 230lbs

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 5:38 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

Bradley Fletcher stinks, as do the safeties. Our fans often rationalize, players are better than they really are…aka Brandon Graham, Trent Cole, etc….

This Defense can’t play with the Big Boys, Denver San Fran, Seattle, New England etc…

Thus we will not win a SuperBowl with some of these guys until you upgrade, which we need to concentrate on in the draft…

2 OLB’s, 1 S, 2 CB’s for depth, and future starters. Free Agency is where you upgrade for immediate impact in the Secondary:

Brandon Browner (CB)
Malcolm Jenkins (SS)
Charles Tillman (CB) – I know Paul doesn’t like his age, injury concerns etc…Don’t care he is better than every CB on this team on his worst day, in 2-3 years, if we draft Kyle Fuller, He can take over, when he is ready.

paulman
paulman
November 15, 2013 5:58 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

TFletcher and WIlliams are both Signed for 2014 and WIlliams thru 2015
Boykin on Roookie Deal, very unlikely that Eagles go out and pay Top $$$ for an aging CB in Tillman, I just don’t see it happening CLiff so I begin to look at other alternatives..
Browner is the one to go after in Free-Agency, still Young, big, Physical with a real mean streak… Tillman is past his prime

This Years Drafts is a meat & potato’s Draft Gliff, Not a lot of playmakers on the Defensive side of the ball, Some Good LB Depth, some decent Safety Depth and that’s about it.. I know you like to think the Eagles can keep trading back to get 3-4 Picks and get all Studs in the first 2 Rounds, but the Reality is that is not going to happen..
So I try to Focus more on the reality of where the Eagles will be Selecting and compare these spots to the Players Ranked in those Selection Ranges and then by Positional need, come up with a Draft Strategy that Fills a Need along with a Quality Player from a Quality Program that has a Winning Culture & Solid Coaching at the College Level

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 8:02 pm
Reply to  paulman

Being signed through an amount of years doesn’t guarantee their starting status…..

Your argument Paul is absolutely, valid, and correct about Tillman, but when I mention him, I am referring to someone like him; Leadership Aggressive, Coverablity…Alteern Vermeer, shut down TY Hilton the other night..he is 25, and a borderline Pro Bowler. I go after Browner, Vermeer, Malcolm Jenkins, and draft Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Everybody else in the Secondary is depth as far as I am concerned, but Bradley Fletcher, and Williams…please, spare me they are not impact.

In the past I would have liked the Eagles to be more aggressive in the draft by getting more picks. Your right, and if they hadn’t valued players like Graham, Cole, Herramanns, Maclin and others, they may have got those picks.

Reality is in the realm of what is possible…..and it was possible.

I don’t pay attention to rankings. I rank them myself. You know as well as I do Paul, that Kiper, Mayock, and McShay have been way off over the years about their evaluation of players. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

That’s what I was taught at Florida International. Every GM see’s players differently. Its the GM’s that can think for themselves in their evaluations that are successful. A lot of scouts, and GM’s listen to those guys. I don’t. I see a lot of good players for Defense into the later rounds. We’re boys, but we do see things differently sometimes.

I want a Championship Football Team, that comes with quality players. That doesn’t necessarily mean they come from top 25 schools. There are winning cultures even in Division III. C’mon, Paul you know better than that.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 8:09 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Vontaze Burfict, Justin Houston, and Sheldon Richardson are excellent examples of why I don’t pay attention to rankings.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2013 9:03 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

All 3 were ranked very High in their Positions Cliff
Houston and Richardson went high 2nd Round selections, I believe.
Burfict only fell due to his bad attitude, his arrests, his issues with being Coachable and mature enough to be a NfL Professional Play which is why all 32 Teans passed over him in the Draft
Many Teams (probably 65-70%) take Playerss with his kind of baggage off their boards entirely regardless of how talented they may be.. The Eagłes are one of those Teams that will not Draft a Player with the history of red-flags that Butlrfict had..
Now the fact that he’s turned himself around and landed in a perfect situation with Marv Lewis & Dave Zimmer is a great story, but I believe that he would have struggled with most other Teams that would have not put a support system and the kind of leadership that the Vengals gave in place.. Remember that all 32 Teams had a chance to Draft him in 7 Rounds and choose to stay away
Then Bengals scooped him up with strict conditions for him to follow and kudos to him for turning it around, but definitely could not have occurred without some serious oversight and good solid Coaches in place..

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 17, 2013 10:26 pm
Reply to  paulman

Houston was drafted in the middle of the 3rd Round.

None of those guys were top 3.

Burfict would have made it work on any NFL Team, not just the Bengals. He himself has been more responsible for his development, not Marvin Lewis. He’s not a child Paul that needs 24 hour supervision, but you can believe that if you want to. He made the decision to mature point blank.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 18, 2013 10:03 am
Reply to  paulman

Nor does it mean that either Williams, or Fletcher won’t be cut. I would cut Fletcher because he is just not that good or in my opinion reasonably good enough to have a roster spot.

DCar
DCar
November 17, 2013 7:55 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gmc, I agree 100%. Add Byrd to that list, & I’m a happy camper.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 17, 2013 10:27 pm
Reply to  DCar

He had 2 interception today…..not bad for someone who some call, an injury risk huh?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 17, 2013 11:21 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Geno Smiith is a walking interception waiting to happen.

DCar
DCar
November 18, 2013 1:49 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

5 tackles, a sack & 2 int’s. Not bad for damaged goods, huh paul?!?

DCar
DCar
November 18, 2013 1:46 am
Reply to  gmcliff

LOL! Yep!

DCar
DCar
November 18, 2013 1:50 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gm, getting on board the Barwin train yet?

paulman
paulman
November 18, 2013 4:19 am
Reply to  DCar

Let’s see how Byrs plays the rest of the Season..
He has not played much this year due to his injuries..
1 great game against a poor game by Geno Smith
And a depleted Jets WR Corp’s is not enough to go by
That Byrd is all the way back yet.. Time will tell
With him and he’s highly motivated to get out of Buffalo
And to sign a big Free-Agent Deal

DCar
DCar
November 18, 2013 5:16 am
Reply to  paulman

He wasn’t playing because he was holding out. He was cleared to play by week 2. You called him damaged gods, & he isn’t worth the $$$. He’s a top 3 safety in the NFL, even at his current recovering state, & infinitely better, than any of the stiffs we have. Highly motivated? He’s been great his entire career! It’s not like he’s playing hard because it’s his contract year. Come on Paisano, you know better than that! Eat your crow buddy boy! LOL! XD

DCar
DCar
November 18, 2013 5:16 am
Reply to  paulman

*goods*

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 18, 2013 10:29 am
Reply to  paulman

Barwin has what?…. 2-3 games he’s played well in, and you sing his praises..

I guess he has to be your guy to judge impartially huh? That guy has not played that great this year. So, why the hypocrisy, in judging Byrd?

I’m not sure I would sign him either, just thinking about the cap, but he has to be in the discussion. Because I would n’t be against him starting, that would give Clinton Dix, a chance to develop slowly, instead of rushing him.

My Starting Secondary would consist of:

– Brandon Browner 6-3 206(CB), Corey Graham 6-0 196(CB)
– Malcolm Jenkins 6-2 213(SS), Ha Ha Clinton Dix 6-1 204(FS),

And, Kary Williams, Brandon Boykins, Nate Allen, Earl Wolfe, Kyle Fuller, Marcus Williams, Pierre Desir, and Julien David would be backups, and Special Teams Contributors.

mhenski
mhenski
November 18, 2013 10:35 am
Reply to  paulman

would love to get browner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mhenski
mhenski
November 18, 2013 10:36 am
Reply to  paulman

browner and/or byrd should be an offseason target, ol, wr, lb should be draft priorities.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 18, 2013 10:06 am
Reply to  DCar

Hell no. I told you he is good depth, but that does it for me. He disappears in too many games were you don’t even hear his name called, and you guys pretend like he has been consistent with his play…….Hell no DCar. I don’t like him….

DCar
DCar
November 18, 2013 11:10 am
Reply to  gmcliff

You may not like him, but you are wrong this time gm. He’s been the only consistent guy all year. Disappears? Come on gmc. He just isn’t on this team to get sacks. He’s the only LB, that can drop & cover, so he won’t get a lot of stats. He does it all.

paulman
paulman
November 18, 2013 11:15 am
Reply to  gmcliff

GMCliff IS losing his reality again..
Let’s say the Eagles make the Playoffs which they are in the Driver seat to do so and the Defense continues to Improve.. Your Telling me that Eagles Coching Staff/Front Office are going to replace the entire Secondary next off-season after showing great improvement from the last 2-3 Years with all Current Players under Contracts (except Nate Allen,Colt Anderson) ..
Again GMcliff, I love your Enthusiasm and Talent Evaluations, but you are so far from being Realistic when it comes to Off-Season Aquisitions and the Draft Salary Cap Issues, that it’s just not going to happen or be realisitc ..
Keep it Real GMcliff .

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 18, 2013 7:36 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I’m not losing my reality brothers. I watch every game; You know I am a fan.In watching the games I see him disappear as many times as I see him make a play. I don’t have selective memory…Just keeping it real….

I did say he was good depth, but that’s all you get from me about Connor Barwin.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 20, 2013 9:29 am
Reply to  gmcliff

SO, you feel we should overvalue the Secondary , because they are playing over their heads???….Reality is none of them are starters on a Championship team,,,,,

There is no shame, nor loss of reality in upgrading to a Championship defense…instead of rationalizing we have something better than it really is…….

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 18, 2013 3:08 pm
Reply to  Jeff Kolsky

Who Backs up Foles? …Brian Hoyer, and Vick is 3rd string.

Trade Barkley to any sucker who can be had.

paulman
paulman
November 18, 2013 4:19 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Vick is a Goner,
Barkely is back-up and has no to little Trade Value
The Eagles will pick-up a young Athletic Type of QB in Free-Agnecy like Thaddeous Lewis of Bills, Tavaris Jackson, CJ Kinnie or sign a Undrafted QB like Northern Illlinois’s Jordan Lynch, SMU’s Garrett Gilbert,
Ball State’s Keith Wenning..

is

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 18, 2013 7:38 pm
Reply to  paulman

Thaddeous Lewis of Bills, Tavaris Jackson, CJ Kinnie or sign a Undrafted QB like Northern Illlinois’s Jordan Lynch, SMU’s Garrett Gilbert, Ball State’s Keith Wenning….who all suck by the way..

None of them will be on this team next year…Period

Don’t be surprised if Vick signs a deal with the Eagles as a back up.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 18, 2013 7:39 pm
Reply to  paulman

Barkley is not an NFL QB, like I said before the season started.

He is a goner…..

DCar
DCar
November 19, 2013 4:27 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Barkley & Vick both blow! Enough said……….

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 19, 2013 10:03 pm
Reply to  paulman

Vick has a 2 yr deal…FYI

mhenski
mhenski
November 19, 2013 10:11 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

wrong

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 20, 2013 9:33 am
Reply to  mhenski

If I am wrong Big Mhenski, ..I stand corrected. I really don’t pay too much attention to the contract years of a player. But, I do believe, the Eagles lose nothing signing him as their Veteran 3rd string option.

paulman
paulman
November 20, 2013 10:32 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Vick only signed a 1 Year Deal this past Off-Season and is a “Free-Agent” after the 2013 Season.. Will Chip Kelly/Roseman be open to kepp Vick as a Back-up for $5 Million, possibly, Will VIck want to end his Career as a Back-Up, Probably not and would listen to offers for a chance to be a Starter QB somewhere.. I don’t see any struggling Franchjise who is in a “Rebuild Mode” looking for a 34 Year Old QB . I See Teams like the Jaguars, Vikings, Browns all addressing their QB needs in the 2014 Draft.. A dark-horse Team could be the Houst Texans where Schaub has fallen out of Favor, Coach Kubiak on the Hot Seat, Team is built to Win now, has Talented players in Place… Could Mike Vick be a difference maker for them, I think he would be a great fit for them with a healthy RB Foster, WR’s Johnson,Posey & Hopkins and a decent OL

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 20, 2013 9:34 am
Reply to  paulman

Barkley is out of the league in just a little bit

paulman
paulman
November 20, 2013 10:35 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Matt Barkley is a 2-3 Project and will have at least 3 Seasons in the NFL..If Jimmy Claussen/Brady Quinn,Colt McCoy,Mark Sanchez can remain in the NFL for 4/5 Seasons, then so can Barkley

RegalEagle
RegalEagle
November 15, 2013 6:44 pm

Really Good players rarely hit Free Agency any more as teams usually lock them up. Second Tier FA are the way to add competition and depth but the birds MUST DRAFT well to get this thing built.!

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 8:06 pm
Reply to  RegalEagle

Can’t agree with you more Regal.

But, you also have to consider the Salary Cap, and the development of players that were drafted to replace future eventual Free Agents, that these teams have already invested in.

jakedog
jakedog
November 15, 2013 8:43 pm

Agree gmcliff, Barwin is not the player he was hyped, he’s a quality teammate but nothing special

What has surprised me is the play of demeco Ryans, solid anticipation, leads to big hits, on the defensive side you must be smart, anticipatory, it leads to big plays, and we are witnessing it with Ryans, another great teammate and leader as well

Nick foles is playing like a seasoned all pro, he will continue to get better, which is scary good, the eagles, probably Andy Reid found a gem in the third round , and to your credit gmcliff you have been solidly behind this qb, and to paulman as well, I remember your scouting report, but paulman can’t give you all this continuous praise or I will lose my status

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 9:56 pm
Reply to  jakedog

hAHAHA!!!

Paulman is my Homie.

A players like Khalil Mack, and Jeremiah Attaochu, would learn a lot from DeMeco Ryans.

Thanks for the love Jake…..appreciate it.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 15, 2013 9:36 pm

My Preliminary Draft Wish List:

1a. Khalil Mack Buffalo – OLB 6-4 246 4.56
1b. Ha Ha Clinton Dix Alabama – S 6.1 212 4.52

2a. Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt – WR 6-3 221 4.62
2b. Kyle Fuller Virginia Tech CB 6-2 218 4.52
2c. Jerimiah Attaochu Georgia Tech OLB 6-5 268 4.68

3a. La’el Collins LSU – OG/OT – 6-5 328
3b D’Anthony Thomas Oregon – KR/PR/WR – 5-8 182 4.37

4. Daniel McCullers Tennessee – DT – 6-8 338 5.63

5a. Pierre Desir Lindenwood – CB – 6-2 205 4.43
5b. Marcus Williams North Dakota St – CB – 5-11 197 4.48

6a. Ethan Westbrooks West Texas A&M – DE – 6-5 278 4.78
6b. Julian David Howard – S – 6-1 205 4.53

7a. David Born Old Dominion – OT – 6-8 330 5.25
7b. Jordan Harris Bryant Univ. – WR – 6-3 215 4.47

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2013 9:21 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I see your Mock Cliff,

Not so sure about LB Mack in the 1st Round
Every Buffalo Game I have seen this year, his Team and Defense are giving
Up many points and big plays, I just don’t view him
As an impact Player

Safety Dix is the best Overall Safety in this Draft and would definitely have to be considered if still on the Board when Eagłes Select,
My guess is that Cowboys snatch him before the Eagłes can

I like all 3 of your 2nd Round Selections who will be good NFL Players

Not so crazy about the Rest of them
Scat-Back D Thomas would be a nice fit and obviously knows Kelly’s System and add some holy ice to the Return Game since Danarius Johnson has failed to seize his opportunity.. Not sure I would take in the 3rd Round though

DB Marcus Williams I like as well if on the board
With a 5/6th Rounder..

btc24
btc24
November 16, 2013 11:10 am
Reply to  paulman

Paulman, what kind of situation are you in where you not only have seen Buffalo play but you’ve seen them play on multiple occasions?

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2013 12:41 pm
Reply to  btc24

Buffalo and the MAC Conference have TV games every week
It’s usually on Wed evening’s on one the ESPN Channels
They have played the last 2 weeks during the Week on TV versus Toledo (loss 51-41) and Ohio University and won 30-3
I also saw them on TV versus Ohio State and Baylor early in the Season
I have like 10 ESPN Channels and see many of the games over the Weekends and replays during the week to check out Players..
Mack is a Player, no doubt, I just would not use a 1srt Round pick on him
, if he were on the Biard, in the 2nd Round, them yes, I would strongly consider him, but not with a Top 20 Pick of the Draft..

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 12:59 pm
Reply to  paulman

You know how it goes Paul, some prospects are just so hot, they just fall in the 1st Round because some teams have a higher value on players than others. I think Mack falls into that.

His teams play for me says nothing of his skill set. The only team to run right at him, was Ohio State, and they couldn’t do anything with him. That game for me, showed what his potential is like. He wont last to pick 16 in the 1st Round.

At some point of time all my 2nd Round guys will be starting, for their respective teams.

La’el Collins is as good a OG, as he is an OT…I know you will do your research…The other prospects are for Depth, and future Starting potential.

I watched Marcus Williams, and he reminded me of a younger, Charles Tillman; He has big time potential. We can have him in our back pocket in the 5-6th Rounds, as well as Pierre Desir – Has a little Deion in him, but more of a tackler, and more aggressive in attacking the line of scrimmage.

You probably have never heard of most of them , but that’s what late picks are for.

And we both give weight to the Combine so we’ll see as we get loser to that time.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 1:02 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Oh, and Julien David, is the best kept secret in College Football. His game mimics Ronnie Lott.

David Born is more like Jon Runyan, than any player that will be drafted before him, but because of the competition level, patience is needed, as with David.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2013 1:13 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Cliff and Paul, Check out Nebraska LB/DE Randy Gregory 6’6″ 255 and Nebraska CB Sylvester Jean Baptiste 6’2″ 215

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2013 1:26 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Great stuff Cliff & Eagleshaslanded,
I will check all these guys out
Nebraska and Mich State I believe
Michigan State has a very active Front 7 and one of the Best Defenses in College Football and has some players on that side of the ball as well..

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 6:19 pm
Reply to  paulman

Paul, I have seen some mocks that have Pierre Desir, going as high as the 3rd Round. That’s how legit his potential is. Don’t sleep on him………

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 6:16 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Will do Eagle.

Ask yourself when you watch them play:

Are they athletic enough, from an NFL STANDARD?
Do they always seem to be around the ball?
Is their tenacity evident consistently, game in, game out?

Some prospects have size, and speed. Their teams may have winning record, but how much of that is attributed to their efforts, or that of their team, and coaching scheme?

This is what will get some one fired drafting Marcus Mariota. Kiper, Mayock, and McShay, all claimed that Blaine Gabbert was a must have, and were dead wrong, and he hasn’t been the only one. Buyer beware of their opinions……

Who was the last Nebraska All Pro, or potential Superstar, besides LaVonte David?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2013 6:25 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Randy Gregory is for real. If you are looking at him play against Michigan State right now….he’s leaving no doubt.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 8:12 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I’ll pass on Gregory….

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2013 8:19 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

No way you could make a full comprehensive evaluation decision that quickly, especially looking at his body of work and his explosiveness.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 10:31 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I can Eagle….

We can evaluate if I am wrong, or not when the 2014 Season starts.
Its all good Buddy. Keep an eye on his professional progress, as the season starts Eagle and we’ll revisit his potential…

right now I pass on him.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 10:37 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I say that because, He is a Sophomore. I doubt if he is ready for the NFL right now Eagle. So I doubt if he’ll come out. Let revisit this next year OK Buddy?

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 17, 2013 6:55 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I forgot N’Domukong Suh

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 6:22 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Eagle, check out Tevin McDonald of Eastern Washington. He is the little brother of TJ McDonald, that got into some trouble at UCLA, BUT IS A BETTER PROSPECT ATHLETICALLY THAN HIS BROTHER.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2013 6:27 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I’ve heard of him, will check him out. Is he a safety too?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2013 6:35 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Looked him up, he is slightly built at 5’11” 190 (which is a concern). He needs some of that Campbell’s chunky soup and turkey wings. But I need to see him play.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 8:11 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

It could also be that weed most college prospects get caught up in. He may go undrafted because of his issues.

paulman
paulman
November 16, 2013 9:16 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

TJ McDonald was USC and not UCLA Fyi

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 10:26 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Tevin McDonald was at UCLA…..I know that TJ was at USC Paul. Thanks Buddy

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
November 16, 2013 10:47 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Fair enough. I don’t know if he’s coming out for the draft though. His production is first round calibur consideration.

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 16, 2013 11:29 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I see what you like about him, but my experience says he still has room to grow before he is actually ready for the NFL

gmcliff
gmcliff
November 17, 2013 6:54 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Ethan Westbrooks, is cut from the same mold as Michael Strahan, and I believe comes from the same school.