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Analyzing The Sixers’ Deadline Moves

hawesThe Sixers were one of the NBA’s most active teams before Thursday’s trade deadline.

Within a matter of hours, the roster has undergone a dramatic transformation as Sam Hinkie and company slowly execute their plan to build this franchise into a contender.

What the Sixers Acquired:

Six future second-round picks

Talk about stockpiling draft picks.

The Sixers picked up two picks in the deal for Spencer Hawes, two in the deal that brought them Eric Maynor, one to go with Byron Mullens, and a final one packaged with Danny Granger in the deal that sent Evan Turner to Indiana.

Acquiring all of these draft picks is going to allow the Sixers to a variety of things. Two of the picks will likely be used to pay off the team’s debt to Miami from the Arnett Moultrie trade. The Sixers gave the Heat a protected first-rounder for Moultrie during the 2012 draft, but that pick becomes two second-rounders if the Sixers miss the playoffs this year.

The Sixers have plenty of options with the remaining picks they acquired. They could use them as leverage in future trades during the off-season, but for a good general manager, any draft pick is a valuable commodity that could be used to add quality pieces to the roster. Solid players like Paul Milsap, Marc Gasol, and Manu Ginobli are just a few examples of star talent that has come from the second round.

Hinkie has proven himself to be one of the better GM’s in the league when it comes to finding diamonds in the rough on draft day, in both the first and second round. He was responsible for drafting Chander Parsons in the second round, who averages over 17 points, five rebounds, three assists, and a steal per game for the Houston Rockets playing alongside James Harden and Dwight Howard, in the second round. This year, Hinkie was given the 11th overall pick in the draft, and managed to come away with Michael Carter-Williams, who is currently a front runner for rookie of the year.

Picking up second-round picks in the NBA isn’t as sexy as picking up a second-rounder in the NFL, but they’re underrated assets. To acquire such a large commodity of them while offering very little in return is a nice haul.

Forward Earl Clark

A 6-10, 26-year old forward, Clark has bounced around the league quite a bit. He’s played for five teams in the five years.

Clark played in 45 games for the Cavaliers, averaging just over five points and two rebounds. His best season came a year ago as a member of the Lakers, when he averaged over seven points and five boards in 59 games, and had a nice brief run as a starter with 36 starts.

Clark has a team option for next year at just over $4 million. He’ll have a chance to carve out a spot for himself in the rotation.

Center Henry Sims

A 6-10 center in his second year, Sims appeared in 20 games for the Cavs averaging just over two points and two rebounds per appearance.

Without Spencer Hawes, the Sixers have a gaping hole in the middle of their starting lineup. They also dealt away Lavoy Allen, so Sims will have an opportunity to get plenty of run, especially with the coaching staff appearing to not be particularly fond of Arnett Moultrie.

Center Byron Mullens

Mullens is a seven-foot center that likes to shoot the ball, and can hit from three-point range?

Sound familiar?

Mullens has a skill-set that is very similar to that of Spencer Hawes, perhaps with even less talent. Big bodied guy that thinks offense first, and doesn’t play a lot of defense.

Mullens is only 25, and played in just 27 games for the Clippers this year. He started 46 games over the previous two years for the Bobcats, and averaged 10.6 points and 6.4 rebounds last season. He’s cheap and affordable with a salary at just under $1 million with two years remaining on his deal. He’ll have a chance to emerge in the team’s mix at the five.

Guard Eric Maynor

A backup point guard who the Sixers took on primarily to eat salary.

He’s failed to make an impact during stints with the Thunder, Trail Blazers, and Wizards.

Guard/forward Danny Granger

Granger is the biggest name to join the Sixers, but he’s just a shell of his former self that averaged between 20-25 points per game between 2008-2011.

Granger is an expiring contract, currently making over $14 million this year. His salary will help the team reach the salary floor, but beyond that it isn’t clear what the team’s plans for him are.

He’s not a guy that the team is going to re-sign, and its hard for me to imagine a guy like Granger being interested in suiting up for a single game in a Sixers’ uniform. It’d be a waste of time for both Granger and the Sixers.

The Sixers have no use for Granger since he’s not a building block for the future, and his presence on the court might only help them win games.

From Granger’s perspective, he could benefit from taking on more minutes and an increased workload to show that he’s still got something left, but he could catch on with another team looking to make a playoff push and accomplish the same thing while playing meaningful games. Right now, I’d say the Sixers are likely to buy Granger out and allow him to join a playoff bound team where he can show that he’s still got something left in the tank.

Final Thoughts

I had two expectations for the Sixers on deadline week.

Make this year’s team worse in the short-term, and pick up as many future assets as possible.

Sam Hinkie achieved both objectives successfully.

The Sixers have become as bad as you can possibly imagine. Sending Turner and Hawes away guts the starting lineup, and its going to make it so 30 and 40 point losses become even more frequent than they previously were. The starting lineup now looks like this:

PG: Michael Carter-Williams

SG: James Andersoon

SF: Hollis Thompson

PF: Thaddeus Young

C: Some wretched combination of Arnett Moultrie/Henry Sims/Byron Mullens

That’s quite possibly the worst lineup in the league. The goal all along as been to put the team in the best possible position to get the top draft pick in this year’s draft, and this lineup has a great chance to achieve that objective.

By picking up all of those second-round picks, the Sixers also got themselves some great flexibility in future drafts. Sam Hinkie wanted to get first-rounders for Hawes and Turner, but with both players set to be free agents at the end of the year coupled with the reality that neither one of them would be a game-changer for a contender, the market just wasn’t there for the Sixers to land a top pick.

Even though the first-rounders couldn’t be had, coming away with six second rounders is still a pretty nice accomplishment.

Sam Hinkie and the Sixers got a lot done this week, and I remain confident in their vision for this team’s future.

Denny Basens

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frankdialogue
February 20, 2014 7:32 pm

The sooner the Sixers move the nappier I’ll be: Just leave the name.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 20, 2014 7:35 pm

I can’t believe the sixer’s implemented DCar’s vision = dismantle and start over from scratch.
If the Eagles start drafting GMCliff’s ridiculous suggestions I’ll run for Congress too.

paulman
paulman
February 20, 2014 8:03 pm

The Phil’s should have done the same thing last Season and traded
Lee, Papelstiff, & others to rebuild for Future
The way the Nationals & Braves are loaded with Young Talent, it’s going to
Take 3-4 Years regardless for the Phils to make the Post-Season

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 3:21 am

e0- 4-5 years too late. Better late than never I guess. The NBA is such a disaster, & flawed of a league, that the only way to build a winner, is to totally tank, rebuild, draft a stud, & sign good FA’s when you start your ascend. Sad, but true! Now you know why I’ve preached for the last 3 seasons on here, while the sheep, lemmings, were just happy to fraudulently contend, & be stuck in the middling, black-hole area of the standings. You can’t build a legit, winning, contending team, drafting the middle of the round to the back end of the round every year, while you have a horrific roster!

paulman
paulman
February 20, 2014 7:39 pm

Nice Re-Cap Denny..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 8:36 pm

I would say MCW is untouchable but is he really? We all thought Jrue was untouchable and he was traded on draft night. I mentioned on here that I can envision a scenerio where the Sixers acquire another lottery pick by trading MCW during draft night. I wouldn’t trade him myself but they may if they see an opportunity to draft another impact player..

Say for instance we draft Wiggins 1st or 2nd, then our next pick from the pelicans isn’t until number 10 and a guy like Exum or Randle or Smart fall to maybe 6th or 7th?! You gotta move up. You trade MCW and you draft one of them. Then you turn around and draft PG standout from Syracuse Tyler Ennis. You can either hold on to Thad or try to move up again using your 2nd round picks. I ll give you a raw glimpse as to what our lineup could look like..

PG Tyler Ennis
SG Dante Exam
SF Andrew Wiggins
PF Arnett Moultrie
C Nerlens Noel

I like this lineup.. you hold off from signing a max deal until Kevin Love is a FA next off season and you make a offer to him that he can’t refuse..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 8:48 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

that lineup sucks JH

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 8:59 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

To start the new era of sixers, I like it and its a good start. What sucks about it to you? No Julius Randle? haha

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 9:08 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Tyler Ennis, is not a starter in the NBA….He’ll sit the bench until there is a blowout, or be in the D-League…

Exum, isn’t a shooter, he is a point guard – ala Penny Hardaway

Noel, and Moultre aren’t really starters either, but Noel will start out like that so the Sixers, can save face for drafting him – until they have no choice but to sit him down…….That’s not a strong team – That’s why it sucks…….

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 9:11 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Even with Kevin Love it sucks

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 9:17 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

You seem to be one of those guys who thinks, every new prospect to come into the league is better than those who have been there for years.

Ennis, Exum, and Noel, are so inexperienced professionally, it’s asinine of you to presume they are going to really help turn things around – coming into the league – not to mention, not really all that talented. from 6-32 in the draft, SOME of these prospects don’t even belong in the league…..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 9:19 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I like Doug McDermott as a prospect more than I do Ennis.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 9:34 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

yea lets draft McDermott at 10 and watch him get torched on defense.. hes a 6’8 SF that plays like a guard. Hes a pure shooter that has the ability to drive but again look at the competition. He plays for a small school and is dominating, like he should. Tyler Ennis is balling and hes playing for the #1 ranked team in ncaa. Hes running that Cuse offense very well, and coach Boeheim is teaching him well.. If he stayed another year it wouldn’t hurt but remember, the sixers greatly value player development. They want to be the East coast Spurs… If they move MCW, you go Ennis.. Hes a big time player, he doesn’t make mistakes.. Watch his games sometime, hes really good

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 9:48 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

McDermott has Larry Bird type potential…….Ennis is DJ Augustine.

After the year, that MCW is having, you think that the Sixers are going to trade him????????…..and replace him with a scrub like Tyler Ennis???????!!!!!!!!

Conversation is over JH……..and You have the nerve to criticize me?…..I know when the guys read that comment, they will laugh as hard at you as I am….hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 9:51 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I’ve seen Ennis play in College, he translates to the NBA as average JH……………

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 9:52 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Okay cliff, if McDermott is the next Larry Legend, where do you see him being drafted?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:02 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

There you go again putting words into my mouth, and misquoting me again…..

I said, he has Bird Type POTENTIAL – who cares where he is drafted…

My point he is a better prospect than Tyler Ennis – I really don’t think you know Basketball talent JH – You’re pretty good at Football – but basket ball isn’t your forte bruh…..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 10:21 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

“McDermott has Larry Bird type potential”… uhhh…. That’s a huge proclamation cliff.. Larry is a HOF buddy.. Im not saying McDermott will be a bust bc I actually think he will do well, Im saying calm down with your outrageous proclamations..

Im just mentioning some options the sixers have or could be thinking to do come draft time.. I expect wackiness..

I like Exums game and think him and Wiggins could take this team to the next level..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:26 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Yes, as a shooter, and in the TEAM concept yes he had Bird like potential….doesn’t mean he’s going to fulfill it , but he has the tools.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 9:23 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

You need to research Exum a little bit more. Hes a 6’6 guard. They said hes a 2-way player. Hes a slasher yes but he can shoot and is working on his shot…

You cant be serious about Noel. They had the Sixers ceo on the radio yesterday saying they look to Noel to be their center for the next 10-15 years. They are developing him from scratch. Down to his shot release.. Its ok to have an opinion but sheesh cliff, your way off this time… But you love randle whose undersized playing the PF position.. haha makes no sense..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 9:42 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

They say?…So you haven’t actually seen him play right…..So why should I research him more than I already have because your enamored with his measurables?

I have seen him play, and he isn’t a shooter – believe that because it’s true – You can watch some highlights of him making some shots but he shoots like 32% from the field…..what are you talking about?

I am dead serious about Noel…He wasn’t anything before his injury. What did you see, that the GM’s that passed on him in the draft didn’t see?

I get it, your gonna be a loyal fan , and stick by the prospects that are fed to you – but that in itself doesn’t make him a good player.

You keep saying Randle like that’s the only prospect that I like…..Why?? I just gave a team lineup by 2015, that didn’t have Julius Randle on it, so pleas stop JH…Your being flat out presumptuous….

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 9:59 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

And you act as if everyone comes out shooting a high pct at the medium range shot. Some guys need to be developed. Paul George needed to be developed, now hes a 22 23 year old monster with a much improved jumper…

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:04 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

No, I act like I know what I’m talking about when I say to you that Dante Exum isn’t a very good shooter – Analogy with Paul George is irrelevant…..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 10:29 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Im looking forward to you being wrong about Exum.. The kid is a real stud

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:31 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

and I am expecting you to be very quiet……Like you were when I asked Why would anyone with insight contact you personally to give you updates????

Still haven’t gotten an answer……

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:33 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

A real stud like Keith McGill?

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 10:36 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Because JH knows people clifford that’s why..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 21, 2014 12:29 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I never called McGill a stud but he has excellent measurable 6’3 210 long arms big hands, good cover skills. He played well at the senior bowl with one end zone int during the crucial moments of the game.. Cant wait until he proves you wrong too.. haha

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 21, 2014 12:12 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Your a funny guy JH….BUT YOUR STILL MY BOY…:)

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 21, 2014 1:50 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

You’re alright in my book Cliff, no matter what paul, jakedogg and others say about you.. haha jk

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 9:41 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Because JH knows people clifford that’s why?

That’s bull JH and you know it….Admit your sources are just the internet. You get no more inside information than anybody on this site……

But you spend more time looking for breaking news because you have to save face the best you can.

pdiddy
pdiddy
February 20, 2014 9:54 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Jh MCW is untouchable, the guys you named at point would not be better than him.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 10:06 pm
Reply to  pdiddy

Pdiddy were talking value. If Exum were to drop, we need to move up to draft him. Im telling you this kid has game. He has a mix of everything. Teaming him up with Wiggins or even Parker would be dynamite. Remember hes a 2way player at the guard position… Then we could still draft at 10 and then move up again using Thad and the 2nd rounders.. I don’t want to trade MCW at all but if it means getting a guy that may be as good or better than MCW right now and drafting 2 more lottery guys, then you gotta do the deal…

I really think the Sixers will shock the league on draft night just like they did last draft…

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 3:32 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

IDIOT!!!!!!!

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 21, 2014 9:13 am
Reply to  DCar

Your obsession with me is pretty amusing.. It actually makes me wanna post more to see your responses haha.. Keep it up 1am-6am gcobb whore club member..

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 9:52 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

It isn’t an obsession, to point out your constant, absurdity. I told you a long time ago, as long as you post your imbecilic retarded-ness, I will continue to point out how much of a retard you are. You are the only Court Jester who’s is amusing. Ask everybody on here why they laugh at you.

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 9:52 am
Reply to  DCar

*who is*

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 21, 2014 10:18 am
Reply to  DCar

And you make yourself look like an obsessed maniac every time you comment on all of my posts.. And everyone on here views you as a loud mouthed bully type maniac whether they admit it or not (and some have already said this about you).. And I love laughing at your obsession over me and what I say.. haha

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:07 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

If I were in that situation at #10 – and didn’t like what was available to me – I’m on the phone looking to trade that pick to a team for a high #1 next year.

Trading MCW, is just stupid…..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 10:25 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

You didn’t pay attention to what I said. The sixers wont have to trade any picks. Theyd just give up MCW at around the 5-7th pick if Exum happens to drop. Theyd still have the 10th pick. I said theyd draft Ennis there at 10 and could still flip Thad and a few 2nds to come back into the 1st somewhere… This is me playing GM for the night, Im not saying this will happen. But expect wackiness…

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:29 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

If Exum drops to the Sixers with their 2nd 1st Rounder, I would draft Exum, but he would be MCW’s back up for now…He is an excellent Point Guard Internationally. It remains to be seen in the NBA though…

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:35 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Ennis isn’t part of any equation for me……he’s not a real pro

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 20, 2014 10:37 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Bad move JH…..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 10:32 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Being the devils advocate here, did anyone expect the sixers to trade Jrue?He was an “untouchable” in many folks eyes, but not to the organizations.. Im just saying, anything can happen.. Im not saying it will happen or that I want it to happen.. I do like Exums game a lot though..

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 3:35 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Yes, because he wasn’t a true point guard! Why are Stinkadala, Jrue, ET, Lavoy, Mr. Softee Hawes, & soon to be Thad, all gone? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE TWEENERS, with NO TRUE POSITION, & DON’T mesh together! IDIOT!

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 3:28 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Exum, not Exam, is a tweener. Ennis is not a facilitator, & is just ok. Wiggins is going to be good, but hasn’t shown me the superstar status that was thrust upon him. Moultrie is a mutt, & will be cut. Noel, is NOT an NBA Center. He has ZERO offensive ability, & would be lucky to be a poor man’s Samuel Dalembert/ Theo Ratliff. Your roster is retarded, like you!

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 21, 2014 9:10 am
Reply to  DCar

I know his name genius, Im using my cell phone and it does auto correct, not everyone can me at home on a desktop computer like you night worker…

Whats your definition of a NBA center dcar? Since you wanna poo poo my scenario. Comparing the potential 1st overall pick if he wasn’t injured in college Nerlens Noel to a Sammy D is utterly disrespectful and shows the little knowledge you have of the nba game today.

The game has changed and evolved. Most teams don’t have a back to basket kind of center now a days, if you’ve been paying attention. The team that has won the past 2 championships has no center at all just rim defenders(Though they do have two of the best wings to lace them up). So we don’t need Noel to be this big time post offensive guru. If he was or becomes that then great but I think we can draft a PF or sign one next off season that can be that post guy we need.. Either Love or Aldridge (If Aldridge is available)..

You’re way too stuck on having a center like shaq or wilt, they come along every 10-20 years or so.. and the game has changed so much..

If we do get the 1st pick, I would take a long hard look at Joel Embiid. He is a every 10-15 years type of center who can do it all on both ends of the floor.. Joel Embiid of Kansas

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 9:47 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

College stats-

Noel- 6’11” 225- averaged 10 pts, 9 rb, 4 blocks.
Theo- 6’11” 235- averaged 10 pts(14 his last year), 6 rb, 3 blocks.
Dalembert- 6’11” 265- averaged 7 points, 6 rb, 3 blocks.

Looks pretty comparable to me. My definition of an NBA center, is someone who is big enough, strong enough, & smart enough to get offensive/defensive rebounds. Someone who inside moves, that can score in the paint, & when doubled, can get a pass to his teammates. He was overrated, in a horrific draft, last year, prior to his injury. He’s a shot blocker, period, just as Sammy, & Theo were. Nothing less, nothing more. Since when the truth is respectful? He’s a beanpole, & another non-fit, that is a tweener. He’s too frail, & weak to be a center, & he doesn’t have the offensive skills, nor rebounding prowess to be an NBA PF. You do not have a clue per usual! While Embiid has all of the potential in the world, let’s not put him in the HOF just yet.

DCar
DCar
February 21, 2014 9:58 am
Reply to  DCar

*is the truth disrespectful*

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 21, 2014 10:36 am
Reply to  DCar

Michael Jordan’s college career stats 17.7 PPG, 5.0 RPG, 1.8 APG
Andrew Wiggins’s college career stats16.2 PPG 5.8 RPG 1.7 APG

Not very different just a point off. I know were talking centers but you cant go off of college stats all the time.. I watched Noel dominate on the defensive side then lead on the break and dunk the ball. Hes that type of guy. Does he need to fill out? Definitely and he already is. Hes in the weight room and the Sixers are developing this “19 year old!!!!” kid from scratch.. The kid has tremendous work ethic and drive. Man, your starting to sound like Clifford now…

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 21, 2014 10:56 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I never said Embiid was a HOF, I said centers like him don’t come around often maybe 10-15 years and its the truth. Hes sound offensively and is a defensive anchor.. Noel was going to be slated as the #1 pick if the injury didn’t occur, purely off of his defensive prowess. Hes adding weight and muscle, and I heard hes adding to his offensive game, if he does this, we have our center…

But if the sixers get the 1st ovr pick then everything changes, they will possibly look to draft Embiid to pair him up with Noel, and Coach Brown will then have his own “Twin Towers” like they had over in San Antonio with David Robinson and Tim Duncan..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 10:29 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

That goes to show you that stats don’t mean anything…

What were Kobe’s stats from College?

He didn’t go to college, but excelled based on his own merit. Using stats to make points of comparison is just stupid – It means nothing.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 10:31 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

and Embiid is a project, and will be overdrafted based on perceived potential……That’s how GM’s set their franchises back

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 12:55 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

So in your opinion Cliff, whats Embiid’s ceiling?

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 3:52 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

It’s higher than Nerlens Noel’s…….I’d say De’Andre Jordan is his ceiling….

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 4:18 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

OMG, De’Andre Jordan was a second round pick. All he does is dunk the ball. Embiid is a back to the basket post up center with an array of moves (Similar to Hakeem the Dream) in the post… You are way off on this one Cliff… My goodness gracious.. Theyre both two different types of centers.. Embiid also like playing Defense, De’Andre does not, also hates rebounding the ball.. Terrible terrible comparison

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 4:36 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Wrong JH…Jordan DOES play defense, and Embliid, is nothing like the Dream. You heard an analyst say that and your running with it…

Actually he said his growth in terms of Basketball knowledge can be compared to Olajuwan, because both didn’t have a lot of experience playing basketball, before college……But they don’t have the same game….He is De’Andre Jordan

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 4:49 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

You’re my guy Cliff, but saying Embiid’s ceiling is De’andre Jordan is waaay off… Their games are like night and day. Jordan has no offensive skills but dunking the ball every play…

And I watched Embiid all year long as I did Hakeem back in the day and his game is very similar.. Analyst say a lot of crap that I don’t listen to. I saw this with my own two eyes… Way off Cliff

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 4:53 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Actually JH,don’t feel surprised by the second round pick comparison.

Some players in this years draft, if they were inserted into drafts of the past wouldn’t even be considered 1st Round Prospects like: Tyler Ennis ,Gary Harris, Rodney Hood, Jerami Grant, James Young, and others are completely overrated.

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 7:41 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Watching my guy Tyler Ennis run this offense like clockwork.. As is Rodney Hood, such a good scorer.. Id be happy with Hood being our 3rd pick in the 1st round

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 7:43 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

You need to take a closer look at those guys cliff..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 8:47 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

No I don’t …….You’re going to have to see for yourself. I can see you really don’t know basketball talent JH…..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 8:57 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Haha yea ok cliff..

What your thoughts on Marcus Smart and his ceiling?

jakedog
jakedog
February 20, 2014 8:57 pm

Jon Hart

You are a joke, you have been discredited by dcar

You need to get the hell out of here permanently

Many honorable posters left, honorable is relative, but as much as I jousted with that jackaas navy eagle and schiller

You take the mantra as the biggest fool to ever post here

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 9:14 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Jakedoggy dogg, the day I listen to you is the day hell freezes over.. beat it like you beat ur meat, you little shih tzu..

paulman
paulman
February 20, 2014 10:12 pm
Reply to  jakedog

I thought I was the biggest tool on here Jake…
Ha Ha..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 20, 2014 10:28 pm
Reply to  paulman

You are.. not much has changed on your front.. haaaaa

paulman
paulman
February 21, 2014 2:04 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

Good one JH, I deserved that….

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 21, 2014 3:44 pm

Excellent moves by the Sixers…now let’s hope we can get Jabari Parker!

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 12:54 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Parker over Wiggins??? I say Wiggins then Parker… I see Parker as a Melo Anthony type, not gonna win a title for you unless he has guys around him (and even then expect him to jack up shots)… But Andrew Wiggins is a franchise changing guard/SF. You guys don’t see it yet but his potential is higher than Parkers..

And btw Wiggins owns Parker when they play against each other.. Its gonna be a Charles Barkley Michael Jordan type of relationship, theyre both great but one is just better, and that’s Andrew Wiggins…

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 3:57 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

One time I will admit I agree with you JH…

.But I think unless Milwaukee hasn’t changed their thinking in the front office, and takes Embliid (if he comes out). The Sixers may have to draft Parker, as he is the closet talent to replace Thaddeus Young

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 8:16 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Hahaha one time you’ll admit lol… Its cool Clifford, JH got nothing but love for you bruh

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 8:51 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

What did I say that was funny?

I don’t think you understand Basketball Talent, but in reference to your Wiggins – Parker comment , I agreed with you.

What’s the problem?

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 9:12 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Why because I don’t agree with you on your opinion of prospects? You have your moments when you hit on guys but you miss an awful lot… Saying Embiids ceiling is De’Andre Jordan is ridiculous and I think the majority of guys on here would agree… Your pretty much putting two guys that have two totally different games in the same category.. That’s silly.. Embiid may go first ovr if he comes out.. Get a grip cliff, no offense…

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 22, 2014 11:21 pm
Reply to  Jon Hart

That’s always my point…..I don’t miss an awful lot, and the masses will also tell you that…..

You may hear more about the misses, – and its the same ones Russell Wilson, and Luke Kuechly – just those 2 – 2 out of about 60 – but I hit, way too much for anyone to criticize my opinion, especially you, who reiterates the opinions of the media on players, although you claim you watch them.

Excuse me, but,…. YOU are the one whose more wrong than right.

That’s correct – I say his ceiling is DeAndre Jordan –

It doesn’t matter to me that the majority of guys on this site agree with me or not –

I have ALWAYS been one who dismisses gullibly accepting the popular opinion, because the games of college prospects don’t always translate to the pros – NFL, or NBA –

You on the other hand, take it for granted, even if someone with better insight tells you different – and that convinces me that you don’t know talent – Your just stubborn at admitting it; You’ve contradicted yourself every year I been on the site JH, AND THIS YEAR WILL BE NO DIFFERENT – You will flip flop on your opinion, until you paint yourself as someone who has insight – when we all already know you don’t – Nothing personal Brother.

But with all due respect, you need to get a grip – Your all wound up on you presumptions. Embiid may be the 1st pick, but that by no means illustrates his success. The #1 Pick last year, has been complete flop – The perceived #1 pick last year – Nerlens Noel – will be a flop….and when that happens, I will not hear a word from you……..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2014 2:52 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

BTW, Tyler Ennis looked good tonight 2-13 FG, 6 Assist…..Yeah he’s a star…..LOL!!

Maybe you should go back to the drawing board, and reconsider your position on sticking your neck out for someone who isn’t as talented as you think……FYI

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 23, 2014 7:25 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

So funny how you pick one game that he played not as good knowing good and well that dukes game plan was to double him every time he touched the freaking ball. He still managed to dish 6as. When I made that comment it was the opening minutes of the game and he was running the offense well..

Cliff my friend, youre getting desperate. Everyone besides you knows Tyler Ennis has been balling this year. So has Marcus Smart who you’ve decided not to comment on Lol. Yea keep picking games where a guy gets doubled as soon as he touches the ball.. he’s still a lotto pick haha this game changes nothing.. (if he declares for draft)

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 23, 2014 7:43 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

I haven’t contradicted myself once. I give my opinion on things or I give news that I hear. Two different things. I dont mind admitting if I’m off on a player. But your biggest issue is you dont like feeling like your being challenged per to your evaluations of players. I haven’t questioned it before but now I’m starting to. By you saying Embiids ceiling is Deandre Jordan haha I’m lol’ing.. Id go out on a limb and say that Embiid is better than Deandre Jordan right now haha… just disrespectful on your part..

Tyler Ennis isn’t a flashy pg, he just gets the job done in an efficient manner. Rarely if ever turns the ball over (last night being the exception) he has the clutch gene. Can shoot and has great court vision. Heard someone maybe Vitale say lastnight he reminds him of and young Jason Kidd while he was in college..

Your the only one calling the kid DJ Augustine.. smh

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2014 10:17 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

LOL!!!! How am I desperate? Desperate for what JH?

I KNOW that Ennis isn’t anything close to how you portrait him. I also know your right, it’s just one game, one player –

Remember that when your nitpicking me about 1, or 2 players that have performed above my expectations, and you color it as if that’s the norm for me to get it wrong…..

I just wanted to send you an FYI – and BTW, I have heard no one sing Tyler Ennis Praises on here except you – so please don’t say EVERYBODY – besides you knows Tyler Ennis has been balling this year. He isn’t all that. Period.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2014 10:24 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

But your biggest issue is you dont like feeling like your being challenged per to your evaluations of players. I haven’t questioned it before but now I’m starting to?????????

Your kidding right??? you can’t be serious. Why would I care?

Paulman, Dcar, Jake, Eaglehaslanded, Mhenski, Daggoldn, and other voice a differing opinion on here all the time – and we have great conversation – I am completely calm when I’m responding to post – and don’t sweat if some one disagrees – Why do you even bother flattering yourself saying that nonsense….Hilarious!!!

We will agree to disagree about Joel Embiid, and I will remind you of all your comments concerning his potential after his NBA Career begins – Eating your words can be enlightening, and humbling – I hope you enjoy it – You take a lot for granted with no insight JH…..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2014 10:30 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

You haven’t contradict yourself once?????????? –

OK, lets allow the GCobb Family to respond to that, by reminding you….

I’m not going to say a word……If you really want the truth about yourself – ask someone else. So we are going to do just that, and allow the fellas to respond to that…

Does Jon Hart contradict himself, on his post Fellas?????

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 23, 2014 10:35 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

BTW, Dick Vitale has sung the praises of a lot of College Stars that were bust in the NBA…..Who care what he says….That’s his job to make the viewing audience belive these players are better than they are

What did he say about Christian Laettner???….See what I mean by taking things for granted?……his viewpoint means nothing – He has advertised as many bust as Mel Kiper…….Please, you are boring me……

DCar
DCar
February 24, 2014 6:50 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

gmcliff, delusional, retards, can’t be enlightened & humbled! Don’t waste your time trying to talk sense to, & having a rational conversation with an irrational, insane person, that is convinced he’s always right. Him alone, talking about sources he has, that don’t exist, all-the-while referring to himself in the 3rd person, is all you need to know, about his Court Jester behind! The resident, gcobb, King of the @$$clowns!

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2014 7:07 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Way off cliff, but I like the passion..

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2014 7:09 am
Reply to  Jon Hart

Hey dcar, go scrub my toilets Mr porter.. haha

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 22, 2014 8:17 pm

Speaking of Wiggins, what a first half hes having… Wiggins and Embiid are playing some great ball right now..

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 24, 2014 6:00 pm

I really miss Nikola Vucevic. Sixers are going to have one helluva time finding another Vucevic

mhenski
mhenski
February 24, 2014 6:45 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

nothing special about nik vuc. guy has ok numbers for a trash orlando team. he will probably get better but he will never be an elite center

vuc in orlando is like that loser evan turner here. put up numbers only because there was nothing else

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 25, 2014 9:49 am
Reply to  mhenski

he’s a rebounding machine with a great touch around the basket. I think he’s a top 10 center in the league already, his weakness is defense but paired with a guy like Nerlins Noel, who will be a top defender in this league in a couple years, that could have been a real dynamic duo

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2014 7:46 pm

****JH Trade Scenario****

A team that could be a trade partner with the Sixers come draft night is a team that is 0-2 since he returned to the lineup.. That team being the OKC Thunder and that player being Russell Westbrook…

Noone would expect a move like this being that OKC made it to the finals 2 years ago/playoffs consecutive years and they both avg over 20 a game and are superstars in their own right. But what must be noted is that RW wants to be the man, as in the go to guy. Granted, he can blow by any defender in the nba, hes lightning quick and can flat out ball. But when you have a guy like KD who is maybe the 2nd best player in the NBA on your team, you don’t try to be the man you try to set him up and then get yours. RW doesn’t believe in that formula..

Therefore the OKC Thunder will find a way to lose in the playoffs led by the most shot attempts of the team RW and then OKC will know that both RW and KD cannot play together.. And in a shocker, OKC may trade Russell Westbrook on draft night.. It will more than likely involve 1st round picks/players etc.. But he could very well be in a Sixers uni come next season..

Hes not really a pg at 6’3 6’4 200, hes more of a scorer and that’s his mentality. We need a scorer. We haven’t had a “killer” since Allen Iverson. I make that trade if its with our second 1st rounder and Thad and maybe some 2nds (more or less give or take). This is a very realistic trade that could go down on draft night only if OKC plummets in the playoffs though and starting 0-2 with RW back from injury when KD went on a tear and had that team looking formidable, may be just the beginning signs of this trade taking place down the road…

Jon Hart
Jon Hart
February 24, 2014 8:12 pm

And what a legit tank job being implemented tonight by the Sixers haha wow.. Losing to the worst team in the nba by 30 points sheesh.. They want not only the worst record in the league but also the tie breaker.. This is a very important loss for the Sixers…