So close, yet so far.
The NBA Lottery has come and gone. The Philadelphia 76ers will select third overall in this June’s draft, with the Cleveland Cavaliers winning the top pick and the Milwaukee Bucks earning the second overall selection.
While the third overall pick is far from the worst case scenario, it does put the Sixers in a bit of a tough position.
Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, and Joel Embiid are the top three prospects in this year’s draft, and the Sixers are going to come away with one of them. However, Wiggins and Parker are two guys that make the most sense for this team.
The Sixers need a dynamic scorer. And with Nerlens Noel already in the fold, Embiid becomes a tough fit for this team.
The Sixers now have to hope that either Cleveland or Milwaukee covet Embiid enough to take him above either Wiggins or Parker.
The Cavaliers have a stable of quality big men, with Anderson Varejao, Tristan Thompson, former Sixer Spencer Hawes, and last year’s top draft pick Anthony Bennett. Now, Varejao is extremely injury-prone, Hawes is a free agent, and Bennett hardly looked like a guy worthy of the top pick last year, and with Kyrie Irving entrenched as the team’s primary scorer, adding a talent like Embiid could make a lot of sense for Cleveland.
The Bucks have invested a couple of huge contracts to their top two big men, Larry Sanders and Ersan Ilyasova. However, both players have been unimpressive over the last few years. Both guys have missed significant chunks of time due to injury, and even when healthy both player have had their minutes fluctuate due to inconsistent play.
However, while a case can be made for either team to take a shot on Embiid, I believe it makes much more sense for both franchises to select either Wiggins or Parker.
If the Cavaliers were to take Wiggins/Parker, they’d finally have an elite second option to pair with Irving. Dion Waiters has been a bust, and Luol Deng didn’t perform well for them last year and seems prepared to leave in free agency. I think it makes more sense for the Cavs to take one of the elite scorers, and try to build on their existing front court.
The Bucks have no notable talent to speak of in their back court. Journeyman Ramon Sessions finished the year as their starting point guard, while guys like O.J. Mayo, Kris Middleton, and Giannis Antetokounmpo split time between the shooting guard and small forward positions. Milwaukee needs an exciting player to breath some life into their franchise, and a Wiggins/Parker is exactly what they need.
Sam Hinkie and the Sixers’ front office have a lot of work cut out for them over the next month as they try to figure out what the next appropriate step is in their reconstruction of this franchise. While the news of the third overall pick is a bit disappointing, I have faith in this general manager, and I believe they’ve got a plan in place for this scenario.
As an aside, the Cavaliers have now won the lottery for the third time in the last four years. How unbelievable is that? A conspiracy theorist might think that league is really doing all they can to help them rebuild after the whole LeBron fiasco.
What a shame. This whole lottery deal is BS. They should completely restructure the draft lottery and make it like the NFL draft. Worst record gets first pick. What’s fair is fair
Sixers have a lot to work with , it’s time for the Gm to go to work.
this is the first time the Sixers moved backwards in the lottery. They have always either stayed at the same spot or moved up previously. This year they dropped from 2nd worst record to the 3rd drafting spot.
Hahahaahaha you throw away seasons and tank this is what you get. The 3rd and 10th pick and right back into the lottery again. Who is next year’s savior, let’s tank next year as well. Maybe they can package Thad and all 100 2nd round picks to move up one spot. The nonsense continues.
Sixers have a lot to work with , it’s time for the Gm to go to work.
Emmanual Mudiay……
What in the world are you talking about? They are either gonna end up with Wiggins or Parker.
Tanking was the right move you imbecile. 3rd pick still would net us Embiid. Can play Noels at pf.
Sure it was I’ll check back in 5 years when they just might be competitve again. So who are they tanking for next year?
Emmanual Mudiay……
Okay Cliff i need to check him out, you sure Larry Brown won’t destroy him?
gmc, Jahlil Okafor (Emeka’s Brother), is getting a lot more hype than Mudiay from a lot of pundits.
I saw the Nike Hoops Summit game World vs USA and Mudiay dominated the game. He didn’t pass the ball, he was very greedy and was glanking 3 pointers off the rim but he destroyed Tyrus Jones at the point for the USA team. He looked like James Harden with a better handle on the ball. Okafor looked like a Demarcus Cousin or Al Jefferson – A guarantee double double guy, not a shot blocker like Anthony Davis or Dwight Howard.
e0, I saw that game also. Mudiay isn’t normally known as a ball hog, & is known to be an unselfish, true point guard. I think he got caught up with the hype, & spotlight, & wanted to show his offensive skills. He was gunning though, with some clankers. He probably won’t make a team better at the NBA level. He could be a poor man’s John Wall.
he is thicker than John Wall – Jason Kidd or James Harden size.
I saw him play DCar, and I pass. Besides, I also think his game would suffer more going to Duke.
Okafor, is Emeka’s Nephew. I know about his hype, but Mundiay, is the number one ranked High School Senior.
Yeah it is great to be competitive. Then we can be one and done like the Rockets were this year! This is the same guy that thinks Vick is better than Foles right?
the Sixers run the same exact plays as the Spurs which is where their coach came from as an assistant for years. Duncan and Splitter almost won the Finals last year as dual 7 foot starting centers on the floor together and are a top 4 team. Bynum and Gasol duo centers won a couple championships. Duncan and Nesterovic won a championship as starting 7 footers.
No this is the same guy who is right more often than not on this site.
NOT!!! …..My wang is thicker than Nerlens Noel…He’s not a Power Forward……and we don’t want Embiid – He’s a scrub…
Neither Noel, nor Embid can play the 4, & playing them together is a recipe for disaster. Neither can score, & neither have any sort of outside game. They aren’t Robinson, & Duncan. Just because both are 7’0″, doesn’t mean they can play together. Noel is unproven, & is Dalembert/ Ratliff 2.0, & Embid, is very raw, & already has back issues (micro fractures). Only in Philly.
Agree DCar whole heartedly bruh…
Yeah man. Draft a 4 if you want one… Vanleh, Randle and Gordon.
Stay far away from Embid
Didn’t mean to post that again my bad. I think the Sixers will be ok. I mean I know from what we hear, they wanted Wiggins or Parker. There’s still the possibility they might get Parker at three. Now I personally don’t like Parker but at three if he is there they probably take him. Or they might take Exum you never know.
Rumors surrounding around Pattison Ave that the Owner and GM Hinkke are at odds on what strategy to take..
Hinkke wants to Trade Down from #3 and package Thadd Young to accumulate more Assets, possibly down to the Lakers for their 7th Pick
And their 2015 1st around Pick..
Lots of Scenarios to be Played out over the next month
With the 7th Pick – Hinkle Selects Aaron Gordon
With 10th Pick – Hinkle Selects Doug McDermott
Then loads up on Foreign Players in Round
Getting a guard from Serbia and a PF from the Ukraine
Then 76ers will have 2 1st Round Picks in 2015
(Their own and the Lakers)
Lakers take Jabari Parker at #3 this Draft so everybody’s happy
Damn, I really wanted that 2nd pick in the draft. Now the question becomes, does Hinkie stay at 3, and if he does, who does HE think is the best player at that pick?
Cleveland getting the top pick 3 out of the last 4 years is BS.
Denny why would you single out Dion Waiters as a bust? He averaged 16 points a game last year and 15 points a game as a rookie year. Only Damon Lillard selected behind him surpassed his stats in that draft but they couldn’t select Lillard with Kyrie on the team. Dion is only 22 years old and a Philly kid. Royce White, Kendall Marshall, Thomas Robinson or Austin Rivers are busts in that draft not Dion Waiters.
Waiters can play in a team’s rotation, but he’s not a quality starter in this league. The guy isn’t efficient at all, jacks up a ton of shots, and Cleveland tried hard to move him throughout the season because he was one of several disruptive presences in their locker room…sure he’s not a Royce White-level failure, but he’s a very high first-round pick that has failed to make a positive impact on his team and is not a player that the team can (or wants to) build around given that they’ve already tried to move him even though he’s still young. Sounds like a bust to me.
Me too Denny, and thank you for reiterating GMCliff’s sentiments about Dion Waiters.
Stats obviously don’t tell the whole story, but when you look at the overall picture in each game he scores points, you also see that he plays no defense, and guns for HIS overblown stats – but his skill level still says bust
Some refuse to look beyond the obvious, when it’s their guy…
“A conspiracy theorist might think that league is really doing all they can to help them rebuild after the whole LeBron fiasco.”
That’s exactly WTF is happening! How do you have a 1% chance to get the #1, & get it? BS!!!!! Now to put icing on the $#!TCAKE, when Lebron become a FA, he’ll go back there, & be a hero again! This is why the NBA, is a complete utter disgrace & a cruel joke! GTFO! We do an epic tank job, in a draft with 2 legit superstar hopefuls, at our position of need (Wiggins, Parker), & we get the #3 pick. We don’t need Embid, nor Exum, unless they trade Noel, or MCW. Doesn’t that just defeat the purpose, & put us right back where we started? Sickening!!!!
Well I can say our 2nd round picks haven’t been anything to brag about. Maybe the 3rd round pick will workout better for us this time around. But I agree with you Dcar, I smell a rat..
Last night feels like an exit from the playoffs for the Sixers….. I’m all in for Wiggins, and I’m proposing this…
Sixers trade pk 3, pk 10, pk 52 and pk 54 to the Cavs for pk 1, pk 33 and a 2015 second round pick.
-Sixers select Wiggins.
-Sixers trade Thad, pk 33 and pk 47 to the Suns for pk 18.
-Sixers sign free agent SG Lance Stevenson.
-Sixers sign free agent PF/C Marcin Gortat.
Projected 2014-2015 starting Lineup– PG- Carter-Williams, SG- Stevenson- SF- Wiggins, PF- Gortat/(pk 18) C-Noel
No jeff….LOL!!
That kinda seems like mortgaging the future again to get one guy. I would rather they take Parker at 3 (if he is there) and then try to move up from 10 to get one of the PFs (Vanleh, Randle or Gordon). If not then take McDermott or Stauskus at 10.
Not terrible Jeff.. Good stuff!
Im all in on Wiggins too but I don’t think wed have to mortgage the future to get him. Hes gonna be there at 3 IMO..
Those 2nd rounders, Thad, that 10th pick will get us 2-3 players this year..
I hope
Wiggins is the worst fit for the 76ers and needs the ball in his hands to be effective, him with MCW would be a poor combination
Wiggins Is exactly what they need.
And stay out of FA as much as possible. This is a very weak FA class this year which means decent players are gonna get a lot of money. Fill in the roster with some of the 2nd round picks and a then some short term contracts to fill in the other spots. Let the young kids play this year and then see where we are at next off-season.
Sam Hinkie assured us last night after the lottery that “We Will Be Active All Over The Draft”
They will be trading and moving all over the place. I see us getting possibly 3-4 guys in the 1st round. One of them being Andrew Wiggins, think that’s a lock
I heard him say that Jon, and that’s exactly what I thought, except I took that to mean extra picks this year, and NEXT YEAR…
Wiggins was by far the best fit, but Vonleh may be the next best option. He is as long as Embid, can shoot, has monsterious hands and super motor. I’m not a huge big man guy for todays game, but Noel and Vonleh are athletes that can play great defense and get up and down the court.
Parker may be the no brainer, I’m not sure if he can score on long nba defensers. If the Sixers are not sold on him, I see them taking Parker ant 3 and getting Utah’s 5 and 23 picks. Then getting Vonleh.
This team does need great wing players to be a top team. King James in 2 years!!
I’ve been talking about Noah Vonleh since last year – He has Jamal Mashburn type talent…….but Wiggins is a must have for this team.
Wiggins is a terrible fit for the 76ers with MCW, who the 76ers have committed to running the show.. 76ers need Scoring at the PF Level first, then a Pure Shooter from the Outside (McDermott) second…
Wiggins is going to be a very good NBA player, but will need the ball in his hands alot to operate, if the 76ers take him, then MCW would have to go for both of them on the floor together will not work…
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You couldn’t be more wrong on this one Paul…….Wiggins IS exactly what the Sixers need..
They also need size with skill….so Noah Vonleh, should be a target to move up from 10 for..
What you say in conjunction with MCW, may have some truth to it. But, perhaps that’s why the Sixers could be thinking about trading MCW, so they can attempt to get Dante Exum – who Brett Brown, has coached, and is very familiar with – He could be his Tony Parker, but bigger at 6-6….
But Wiggins is a must have….
Like I said GMCliff, I love Wiggins upside as a NBA Star,
I just don’t think he’s a good Fit Paired with MCW, where they both will and need to command the ball and if paired together, both Players Development will suffer for it
If the 76ers Draft Wiggins, then MCW has to go and get Traded..
If 76ers decide internally that MCW is the Future of the Team 76ers, then Wiggins comes off the Board for the 76ers.. If Wiggins were to Falls to them #3, then 76ers Trade Back to a Team wanting him and gain more assets by doing so..
I see this happening very easily if Embid/Parker are the Top #2 Picks. and I would say the same thing about Exum too
76ers will not Draft a ball-handler with their Top PIck
They will surround MCW with Players who compliment his game, and not take the ball away from him, so I expect PF or SG to be the first 2 Selections
wiggins doesnt need to command the ball, youre wrong paul.
MCW, doesn’t have to command the ball to score, he’s the point guard, and doesn’t shoot the ball well anyway. He wouldn’t have to do more than he has to – like he did this year – If Wiggins is in the backcourt with him. That’s why Wiggins is a must have.
He doesn’t have to be traded. I don’t know where you’re coming from with that. It makes no sense……They’re not trading back either – that would be straight dumb.
Is that what you would do?? Paul, I highly doubt that’s what Sam Hinke would do. He strikes me as smarter than that.
I totally eliminate Embiid from consideration…don’t like him at all.
I wholeheartedly agree about Embiid, so where do you go if they are unable to move up and Wiggins/Parker are gone? Exum which means trading MCW? Vanleh?
#10 this year, thad, and nerlins for the #2 pick from the bucks?
#10 this year, our #1 next year and nerlins for the #2 pick from the bucks?
are either of these reasonable?
I think Hinkle is trading back and will target a combinations of
Players Vonaleah, Randle with their 1st Selection and then Players
like McDermott, Sarcic with their 2nd Selection
I see them trading back from # 3 back a few Spots
They would have to make a trade to get Wiggins. If not, Exum and Vonleh have to be the choices Bugs.
I don’t think any player drafted after Vonleh is a true NBA player, and not worth the time drafting, because they all will be nothing but bench players exclusively.
Why would Hinke insist on mediocrity??
Move back for what?
Hinke is not trading back Paul….
This is not Football Paul…….Teams in the NBA, don’t benefit trading down like that from high in the draft.
Your wrong again Cliff,
Players Drafted after Vonaleah will indeed become NBA Players
and many for a long time….
MCW, is not the focal point of the Offense. He played over his head last season, but do you see him playing the same role as Tony Parker, in a San Antonio Offense?? I don’t…
Exum may be a better fit. Wouldn’t be surprised if MCW was traded. He has max value now that the Sixers could benefit from.
GM Hinkle is not the typical old guard NBA GM Cliff..
He will wheel and deal just like they do in Football and in fact
trading up and back occur’s more now in the NBA than it used as many GM’s are younger, more agressive and all about “Value” of their Selections then some older GM from the old school…
This Draft being Deep as it is, will see many Trade-Ups and Back as we have seen in a while because of the Depth of Talent
If you think this draft is deep it confirms what I’ve said to you the last 3 years.
You are great when it comes to identifying NFL Talent, but with all do respect, you do not know NBA Talent…
This is not a deep draft of talent after the first 6-7 players – the rest are bench players, that would never be considered 1st round picks in past NBA drafts….
MCW can be the focal point of an offense at his height he can be worked out of the post and has shown he can run the break.
Playing over his head is a nonsense statement. Its ok to be wrong.
You were wrong on MCW.
If you really though Dennis Schroeder was going to be better you have a lot to review regarding NBA talent.
How do the Cavs get the #1 after they took that bum Bennett when they had a 1% chance for the pick? what a load of shit. Lets hope they screw this up again and take Embiid.
Embiid could end up being a great player, who knows. But a big guy with injury concern really doesn’t fit Philly right now. I still take Embiid at 3 if Wiggins/Parker are goners. But Wiggins is the guy I want bad.
I would easily trade #3 and #10 for first overall to draft Wiggins.
cmon guys time to wake up sniff reality. wiggins will not be there at 3
I agree. GMs are not going to pass on this guy.
defensively capabilities are going to a major factor when the top 3 start examining the top 3. wiggins and embiid project as plus defenders where parker doesnt. parker will be an nba defender like love or anthony (basically he wont defend)
embiid and wiggins should go 1 & 2 but if wiggins goes one the wild card is the fact that the bucks just blow reallllllllllllllllly bad and need points and parker will give you more than embiid and faster so i could see them being dumb and taking parker over embiid but they wont pass on wiggins if he drops. either way wiggins doesnt get to #3 in any scenario under the sun
On the mark. He is the prize in this draft.
A report just came out from ESPN stating that the Cavs will be drafting Embiid 1st overall if his back checks out.
So again, like Ive been saying since last night, the Cavs are drafting Embiid,
The Bucks are drafting Parker (someone that’s ready right now to average 18-20pts a game)
And that leaves us with Wiggins who I feel has the most upside in the draft and will have the chance to play, learn, grow and develop. Hes gonna be a special one in a few years..
wiggins wont get past #2 and as usual u will be wrong.
I think we’ll be getting 3 top 10 picks this year if they decide to trade MCW..
Imagine if we got the bucks 2nd by trading MCW and keep our 3rd and we draft Wiggins and Parker then turn around with the 10th and draft Marcus Smart..
That would be awesome.. Probably wont happen.. Just throwing stuff out there..
But I do think if we play this thing right we’d get 3 top 10 picks
76ers trade back with Toronto Raptors at 20th so that Wiggins can play for his home Country,since he’s Canadien and would be a huge boost for the NBA in Canada
The 76ers get SG Mark DeRozen and SF Terrence Ross for Tading back from #3 to #20 plus a 1st round PIck in 2015 Draft
Then #10 PIck – 76ers Draft PF Adrien Payne from Mich State
Then #20 Pick – 76ers Draft PG Elfird Payton from Louisiana-Lafayette (who is the Steal of this entire Draft)
LOL!!!!!….SMH…..no Paul…LOL!!!
Pman the talent is not as good at twenty than it is at three. It makes no sensed for them to trade back.
Thad young and three 2nd round picks along with maybe 10 to move up into the top 5-7..
#FEARPHILLY
We will own this draft
take Vonleh @ 3 and be happy. Pick either Stauskas,McBucketts, or Lavine @ 10. Try to get McGary late in the first by packaging some seconds..I’d be happy…unless Wiggins drops to 3..not holding my breath.
Player I like late is Serbian Nikola Jokic – a 6’10” nice bench role player who excels at rebounding for the second team with the second round in mind.
GM Hinkle will Select at least 1-2 Foreign Players..
In Fact I wish he would Draft all Foreign Players and stay away from
these 1 and Done kids from College who are overhyped, not ready physically or emotionally and have been told how great they are since they were 10 Years old… Stay away from any 19-20 Year Old Kid
Why the hell do they trade out of the 3 spot? Embiid is going 2 and they are ending up with Parker or Wiggins.
Cleveland is going Parker or Embiid. They are all in to make the playoffs and they need a rookie that is ready. Wiggins will take some time to develop.
Milwaukee loves Embiid and they would also like to move Brandon Knight to the 2 spot which would put Dante Exum in the mix.
If you think the Sixers somehow got screwed getting the 3rd pick youre clueless.
They can go double back court with MCW and Exum they are in the drivers seat right.
You only use those 2nd round picks to buy a 1st round pick from a playoff team that is close to the cap. 2nd round pick can be cut and not count against the cap or can be stashed overseas.
Vonleh@3 is ridiculous. You take Randle at 3 and don’t panic. Theres no need to trade out of 10 because someone will fall especially if a run on position happens.
Sixers can easily fill the 2 spot through the draft or have the flexibility to make a run at Lance Stephenson in the offense and he can man the 2 spot.
Hinkie planned this to perfection. Out of everything he still held on to Thad who can bring another haul of talent at the trade deadline as well especially if a contender who can hide him at the 4.
This is how you build a team.
Throw in the steal of Noel last year which some of you with the he will be lucky to be Theo Ratliff(insane thought process) they can continue to stockpile talent and move pieces to acquire other pieces.
Izzel where do you get Milwaukee loves Embiid from? Wiggins will never in a zillion years be available at #3, you guys need to get over it. He should go #1 and if by some miracle he doesnt he goes #2 end of story. it is beyond the realm of possibilities that wiggins doesnt go top 2.
First did you think Anthony Bennett was going no.1 next year and Noel would be traded at 5?
Second fit alone all three players are in the mix for Cleveland at one and its all about long term approach. If they are fixed on resigning Irving and making a legitimate run at the playoffs Wiggins is not the surefire lock you think. Cavs are more than likely letting Deng walk, have to resign Hawes and Varajeo is a partial guarantee. They need a front court player that can score and provide minutes early and with the top pick can afford to have little patience with Anthony Bennett.
If you have go with Irving long term from a pure basketball perspective Embiid is the better fit(regardless of your view on if his a flash stiff etc). Embiid at the 5 you can resign Hawes as the stretch 4 and still think about Deng.
If you let Deng walk than Parker(who I am not the biggest fan of but has talent) fits at the 3 spot provides front court scoring and can easily be moved to the small ball 4 spot.
Cleveland is caught between to rocks. They want to win but need to rebuild after terrible roster decisions.
Wiggins should be a surefire lock for a long term rebuild. However with that you may be saying bye bye to Irving, which in a hypersensitive town like Cleveland who is paranoid about losing stars may not be an option.
If Cleveland goes with a no name young coach their plan is 2-3 years down the road. If they hire George Karl type they are going with the surefire bet at 1.
Also if Embiid is at 2 hes is mocked everywhere the Bucks have openly praised him and he makes way more sense than Parker.
No I didnt think Bennett would go #1 last year or noel #5, frankly i didnt think anything. I thought everyone sucked last years besides Oladipo. I didnt care or barely follow last year.
ive been hearing about teams getting in position to tank for parker and wiggins for 3 years now bro, this draft is different than last year, these kids have been projected to be stars in the nba for years and they did nothing to change peoples minds.
IVE NEVER SAID EMBIID IS A FLASH STIFF (whatever that means), I think Embiid is gonna be a beast.
Milwaukee gotta sell tickets, they have new owners (smoking hot owner daughter), they need a scorer as they have none. i think parker fits best for their total needs (not strictly basketball roster needs)
regardless this is gonna be real interesting and i dont think you can lose with wiggins, parker or embiid. you start rolling the dice with virtually everyone else but the kid from indiana.
My comment on Embiid is regardless of what anyone thinks. Milwaukee isnt selling tickets regardless with Parker etc.
They are only selling tickets if they have a winning team. They havent sold tickets since Robinson Allen Cassell. Thats how fans build teams not basketball men.
Last years draft had a ton of talent. Teams got so fixated on big men etc thats how MCW ended up at 11. There was no way that kid should have been there at 11 and I said that last year before the draft.
Sucks Noel didnt get a chance to play because now everyone is second guessing etc. Most NBA personnel LOVE Noel and for Jrue Holiday getting him and the 10th pick of the draft they absolutely pantsed the Pelicans.
Jrue Holiday is a perfect example of just stockpiling talent. He was the 16th pick I believe. He brought back 2 no.1s.
Most NBA personnel LOVE Noel???……..That’s a flat out lie IJ….
That has to be your personal take. If you want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt…fine, I can respect you for saying that, but don’t exaggerate, or put words in the mouths of what MOST NBA Personnel, by making unfounded statements like that…
He is a major question mark in the eyes of most NBA Personnel – Because of his injury, his thin frame, lack of Offensive game, stamina over a 81 game season, and lack of professional experience………Come’on man don’t make stuff up…….Nobody is in love with Nerlens Noel except the Sixers, but it’s all wait, and see…
Stop the nonsense. The consensus pick was the kid was no.1 going into last years draft and had the most potential of any pick. His injury scared teams point blank period.
Dont try and tell me I’m making stuff up. He was never a major question mark thats you making stuff up.
Stamina over 81 game season is a nonsense line. Thats every college player coming out. The kid was projected as the no.1 on what he can do defensively. Trying to use his offensive skill set as his downfall is asinine.
Barring injury he was the top pick in the draft coming out of high school and maintained that through his freshman season.
Multiple Gms Multiple mocks had the kid no.1 and no less than top 3. Out of the top 5 picks Olidipo ended up being the only contributor.
Tyson Chandler had the same physique coming out of college. The kid is 19 not 23.
Lack of professional experience shows is the dumbest line I have ever read about a kid who has been the a top 5 player since the 9th grade.
Joel Embiid is considered a top 3 pick and may go no.1 and has only been playing since 2011.
You might scout a million football players but basketball isnt one of them lol.
Not to mention you just literally gave the weaknesses of Joakin Noah coming out of Florida lmao I bet you thought he was bum too. Or did you have him scouted for 7 years.
lol stop it.
Show me one scouting report that had this Kid outside of the top 3 in last years draft. Just one.
I don’t base how a prospects game translates to the NBA, based upon mocks. Noel, may have been viewed as a top pick prior to his his injury, but I have NEVER viewed him in such a light – before or after the injury…..
You stated that Most GM’s LOVE Noel, and that is a flat out lie, they do not love him…
I’m just as good at Basketball scouting as I am Football……I still don’t feel MCW, is that good of a player, and it wouldn’t shock me if they traded him…..but I’m sure it would shock you though bruh…
Sorry but you tried to compare Tony Parker to MCW and have gone silent on your over evaluation on Dennis Schroeder.
Youre quoted saying MCW played over his head lmao. He was the ROY and had the steadiest numbers of all rookies all year on a team with absolutely no talent and he is first and foremost a pass first point guard.
So you compare a scoring point All Star to a pass first rookie and thats your evaluation. Sorry bruh your basketball knowledge is suspect.
Your downgrading of Noel is utter nonsense. Who said I based anything on mocks. Consensus from scouts GMs Mocks etc was that he at mininum at top 3 talent and the best big man in the draft. He hurt his knee than GMs got cold feet because they didnt want to draft a kid that couldnt be on the court his first year.
I just seen you try to use the stance that he didnt average a double double in college so why would he do it in the pros.
LMAO ARE YOU JOKING.
Joakim Noah averaged 12 and 8 in college.
Please stop. Your not scouting anything basketball wise with that analysis.
Nerlans is a serious contender for rookie of the year.
When he dunks his chin is above the rim. Vonleh is frankenstein mentally who has no explosion. Vonleh is a foul waiting to happen he won’t be able to stay on the court.
Based on what E0S?? Noel is a serious ROTY Candidate based on what?
there is no talent standing in his way to prevent him from playing 30 minutes a game, the Sixers have zero rebounders for him to compete against on the defensive end. He is an easy double double a night player just like he was in College. Spencer Hawes averaged 13 pts, 8.5 rb, and 1 block a game under Brown which is the basement for Nerlans stat line since he is so much faster and more explosive than Spencer and won’t venture toward the 3 point line like Spencer did.
LOL!!! You’re crazy……..
He never averaged a double double in College, so why would you think he would do it on the highest level of Basketball.
Even if he did, You can’t project him against scrub Colleges, you have to project him against Pro players like Dwight Howard, Roy Hibbert, Joakim Noah, Andre Drummond, and Greg Monroe…
What you’re basically saying is that your basing that statement on your assumption, and hope that he is better than Spencer Hawes right??,…..and if he can give average numbers Noel can too…..Wrong
LOL, Roy Hibbert won’t be able to guard Nerlans? Noel will have 5 dunks in the first quarter if they try. And I guarantee Nerlan’s stats are better than Roy Hibberts next year. For every time Nerlans gets out muscled in the low post , he two hand jams past the slow pokes offensively. That is a double edge sword. You are underestimating how fast Nerlans is. Nerlans is getting 8 foul shots a game plus 3 dunks.
I have a feeling we will be seeing a much bigger Nerlan also. From the pictures posted throughout the season on philly.com, he looks beefier.
LOL……you’re giving him way too much credit E0S….But that’s ok…….we’ll see won’t we????
LMAO
Joakim Noah 12 pts 8 rebs Florida
Roy Hibbert 13pts 6 rebs Georgetown
Al Horford 13pts 9
Andre Drummond 10pts 7 rebs
Greg Monroe 16pts 10 12pts 6 first year
Nerlens Noel 10 10 4 blocks year 1 ( on only 6 shots a game in college)
Please stop with your biased analysis. I’m cool with opinions we are all entitled but this notion of fact your spinning is flat out wrong.
What bias analysis?…….Those guys have played in a lot more meaningful games in their careers, to gauge where they’re at in their development..
Your being biased Brother, because you keep assuming what you think, and what you would like to see him do although you haven’t seen him do it consistently on any level.
The fact is Nerlens Noel, isn’t better than any of those you’ve mentioned – Not even close at this time –
You can be stubborn about it if you choose IJ, but he hasn’t proven anything yet, for you to feel, or to assume he will be as successful as you say he will. Your just expressing wishful thinking.
do some research first on a player you only watched a couple times in college.
Now, When he proves me right…Don’t start being a stranger, and go missing like Schiller. You go back to the drawing board on how you evaluate NBA Prospects…….and give me my respect…deal?
He’s a prospect just like those guys were out of college.
You tried to spout fact and got shot down. You just quoted a double double in college like thats an identifying factor of a player especially a big man and were FLAT OUT WRONG.
Yet your eye test is truth lol stop the nonsense. Did I call the kid a superstar…nope…but can be be a 15 8 2 in a few years.yes. calling him a bust before he has played professionally is nonsense. Andre Drummond played 4 more games in college. Please stop throwing out points that backtracking.
He isn’t a scoring player. He’s a premier defensive prospect and saying otherwise is nonsense.
With all the shots you take on MCW because he proved you wrong says enough.
I love football but I’m not scouting lineman from Montana. But as basketball I’ve been involved or followed AAU ball for 15+ years. Most kids youve seen play college or NBa I’ve seen since they were 9th graders. I was telling people about this pimple faced kid from Maryland killing fools at Berry Farms. That was Kevin Durant. Scottie Reynolds played on my league teams when he 15.
I had no clue the Sixer’s would get their hands on they did but as soon as they traded Jrue I wanted MCW. He was the best overall PG in the draft and compared to the scoring pgs in the draft his upside was much better.
And BTW the biggest knock on Noel going into college and coming out was his circle. They were notorious handout friends on the circuit and he had a ton of hanger ons. But on the court he’s one of the best prospects to come out defensively in a while.
And his body right now from when I saw him in college shows the Sixer’s are developing him right.
IMO assuming wiggins goes 1, which he will. i would give the bucks any package they wanted (including mcw, noel, future #1 picks…) within reason besides #3 overall and get parker and embiid. just watched a ton of embiid tape and dudes a beast and already 100 times better than noel will ever be. noel can run, jump and stick his hands up and thats about it and i dont see him ever developing a shot or post moves. embiid can already post, dribble, run, jump, block and has a soft touch and a very coachable shot.
im certain it cant happen but i hope hinkie exhausts every angle possible to get parker and embiid.
How many post moves does Tyson Chandler have?
you dont build a franchise around tyson chandler bro. he is irrelevant, a roll player, he rebounds and plays D and is mostly a luxury or a great piece for an already established contender. this team needs to build a team, needs scorers, needs a star, needs to fill the seats, needs to win. you can build around embiid, parker, wiggins. noel isnt a franchise cornerstone, he is fine ill take him but i want the sixers to be for real once again and not that fake for real like when we had holiday and stinkadala.
Sorry if you think Tyson Chandler is just a luxury piece you have a warped view on basketball. He was the defensive player of the year and arguably the best defensive C for 3-4 year period.
He may be a role player now but during his run with Chris Paul and when he was paired with Nowitzki that was hardly the case.
This team needs to acquire talent in all forms. Homeruns swinging leads to strikeouts.
Again if you think Chandler at his best was an irrelevant role player theres not much I can say to you.
You dont build a team like a fan. We alll want Lebron. You dont always get him.
How in the hell do you think the Rockets got Howard and Harden?
By not panicking and making asinine moves and having the ability to give away multiple assets to a team.
Ive been watching the Sixers almost 25+ years. If we would have been patient with Iverson we would have had Paul Pierce instead of Larry Hughes.
Trust me the Sixers are just fine at the 3 spot.
tyson was the perfect fit to cover up dallas’s defensive liabilities with dirk. he was an unreal piece for them and was the push they needed to beat the spurs and give dallas enough size to beat miami. it was a luxury signing for them, a team that was on the cusp every year, had the scoring and needed that defensive boost, just like bruce bowen but a center. dude wasnt the cornerstone of that franchise or the guy they built around.
we are talking about building from the ground up right now and have the oppurtunity to get a franchise player or players
Sorry but it would be ridiculous to mortgage picks etc.
If your the Sixers you are looking at Chicago at both the 16th and 19th pick. They can not afford both picks if they are legitimately thinking about being in the Carmelo sweepstaker or bringing the kid over from Europe they have had stashed for the last 3 years.
You dont have to panic if your the Sixers because bluntly outside of Noel and MCW you have nothing you can stockpile at the same position if you like.
Also there most glaring need can be filled in free agency and thats Lance Stephenson at the 2 which Indiana will not be able to resign.
You can also look at OKC as well and the Miami Heat picks also.
Noel fits perfectly on this team alongside MCW and in the offense Brett Brown is running. Not only that he doesnt need low post moves because they arent running that type of offense right now. That can be developed over time.
Serge Ibaka had ABSOLUTELY NO JUMPSHOT coming out and was a string bean as well.
Noel is going to be a beast in an uptempo offense and if the Sixers can lock up the 4 position will be a monster protecting the rim and weakside defense. You can not teach a young player to dominate defensively on the boards and in the paint. That is a talent that few have. Not to mention the kid is gazelle.
He can be limited but extremely effective the moment he gets on the court.
ill support having noel and root hard for the kid, but ill take embiid over him in a millisecond. i just want this team to be highly relevant once again bro and if their is any way on earth u can get embiid and parker you do it and build around them
exciting times
Sit at 3 take Parker. Sit at 10. Take a 2. Buy a pick from Bulls at 16 or 19 and trade some 2s and take the best talent available at the end of the draft.
Than do all you can and make a run at Lance Stephenson in the offseason to man the 2 spot.
A MCW backcourt with Stephenson could be RIDICULOUS.
1. MCW
2. Stephenson
3. Parker
4. Thad (Vonleah/Gordon/Randle (if any are available at 10)
5. Noel.
(Than if you can get back into the draft, Mitch McGary if healthy and Zack Lavine are going to be steals). Take a flyer on a couple Euros as well.
Thumbs down……….No to Lance Stephenson; won’t be the same player on the Sixers, nor have the same impact as he has playing with Paul George, and company….a streaky shooter in the backcourt with MCW, who can’t shoot either….
Parker, and Thad are the same size. Major disadvantage for the Sixers to have them both on the floor at the same time. If you draft Parker, you will have to trade Thad
and I don’t think Noel can play
He won’t be the same player youre correct. He would be better. Streaky shooter? You need your 2 guard to create and make shots and he can do that. DWade is streak shooter with no 3pt range. Most 2 guards in today’s NBA are streak shooters or long distance players with no handle or midrange. This isn’t 1980s basketball.
Disagree IJ…..Lance Stevenson wouldn’t be good on any other team except Indiana….
Izzell maybe we can agree on basketball. Stephenson is 23 and was a top talent and still is from his age bracket. He is not afraid to play against the best bc he honestly feels he is a lead dog. The Sixers need that so bad at the SG. He is not a finished product so of course he will take bad shots at times but he would be a steal. He plays D and can also run an offense. I wanted Wiggins bc of his two way potential but Parker is a perfect fit right now. Embid is also an option and if we have to take him I would want Stephenson even more so for offensive punch. Noel and Embid down low on Defense would be crazy. Noels limited offensive game won’t matter bc Embid has the potential to step out and hit 12-15 foot shots. Depending on who we get at 3 drives the 10th pic I like Aaron Gordon he is the PF version of Noah but has the potential to better his shot, also Gary Harris if we don’t get a SG he plays both ways, trade down for an Adrian Payne something to be said for a guy who you know will at least be a Taj Gibson type. others at 10 I like are James Young (if we don’t get Parker) Dario Saric (saw enough of his numbers against grown men and his size to like him). Even with the first pick in the 2nd rd the could get a kyle Anderson UCLA if he slides 2 or 3 spots. Sixers are in good shape. No Klove or drastic moves needed.
Nu I agree with you in Stephensen. As far as Embiid he would be a poor fit in Brown high tempo offense. I don’t think you can develop a post up offense and a high tempo.
It’s funny you bring up Taj Gibson. I have Been saying for w quite some time if the Bulls are in the Melo hunt the Sixer’s need to be the third team to take Gibson of off the Bulls hands to help facilitate that trade.
I like Gordon but you can’t have him and Noel side by side because they both can’t shoot and your killing spacing. I’m not a Vinlaeh fan but his projected skills fill in nice at 4 with Noel at 5.
I think Stephensen is a Sixer next year.
You are right about Gordon and Noel together right now I belive Gordon will get that mid range shot he is too capable. I watched him drain threes during the HS all star circuit but he looked bad in college shooting. Embid can run very well and I know Brown will like to get up and down but he also comes from the Spurs who had a skilled Tim Duncan im sure he can figure out how to use him especially seeing how he worked with Sims who BTW I want back as an insurance big body. Im not as optimistic they sign Stevenson bc im not sure they want to be that good yet. It makes sense tho he is 23 and can grow wit the team. There are solid role players to be had in rd 2 Cleanthony Early Wichita, Patric Young FLA, Nick Johnson Ariz, The Alphabets older bro who the 6ers should have had a good look at already. I expect the 6ers to draft some oversees stash players too.
Look at Mitch McGary who if he isn’t cleared medically will be at the end if the first early second.
I also want them to look at Zack Lavine and Nick Stauskas but I prefer Lavine. You can sit on him for a year and just develop him body wise etc.
Agreed Mhenski.
Serge Ibaka had ABSOLUTELY NO JUMPSHOT coming out and was a string bean as well….
Has nothing to do with Noel….and he will be nothing close to a beast
Lol really because you can’t break down a young players jump shot?
Stop it
It has everything to do with player development.
Word is Joel Embiid and his agent have all intentions to not provide medical history/records to teams they don’t want to be drafted by..
Don’t listen to what these boys say in the media in front of a camera or newspaper, they are and have been trained and groomed to speak well and be very politically correct in front of a camera..
They say they want to go 1st overall but none really want to play for the Cavs and they certainly want no parts of the hapless joke of an organization, the Milwaukee Sucks! Sheesh..
Like I said earlier, these high profile draft picks have some pull. Kobe did the same thing if you remember correctly. He denied a invitation by coach Calapari and the Nets for a private workout/physical etc and all the teams for that matter..Kobe and his so called “agents” manipulated the draft and he wound up being traded to the Lakers, the team him and his “agents” said they would only play for…
That’s just 1 example of the power these high profile, franchise changing guys have. I heard today that these kids and agents actually tell teams that if you draft me I wont sign the contract..
If that doesn’t scare teams off idk what would…
I also heard today on ESPN a former VP of Bball OPs for the Trail Blazers Tom Penn say that he feels that Embiid and his agent will show some gamesmanship with the Bucks and possibly the Cavs too..
I find it hard to believe he would pass up going 1st overall though.. Now the Buck? Noone wants to play in Milwaukee..
But the options abound for the Sixers
Agents can do what they want but it’s not going to work. With the slotted play he has no choice. He wouldn’t fall past Utah. They could care less lol.
Yes it does matter, for the bad teams who miss out. It changes the entire draft when that happens. This is a big deal for a team like the Cavs or Bucks
This is not a big deal. Teams will draft him regardless. Nothing but posturing. He’s going in the top 3 regardless. Bucks aren’t trading out if 2 and he doesn’t get past 5.
I’m on board with Embiid, he is the prize of this draft. Nerlans and Embiid would make the Sixers a perennial playoff team. The Shane Battiers, Robert Horrys, John Paxons and every corner jump shooter in the business would be lining up to get a spot on the Sixers.
If Boston or LA were top 5 he would have some leeway. But no ones trading out of top 3.
I bet Hinkle does,
I look for him to slide back 2-3 Spots and gain
More Assets..
Paul you really don’t understand how the NBA works or how the draft goes.
Guys in the top 3 rarely if ever move back in a draft rich with talent, the most talent in maybe 15-20 years.. Its rare to have this much talent available..
It wont make any sense any way you look at it.. If anything they’d move up..
All Hinkie wants to do is add impact players. Wiggins, Exum, Embiid, Parker, Smart, Vonleh etc.. Not just a lot of guys to fill a roster…
They have picks 3 and 10, they wont mess this up.. Hinkie is too smart to do that…
This isn’t the NFL paul.. This is not an Eagles Mock Draft, so all your scenarios and suspicions are erroneous and fictitious…
I understand the NBA Draft JH,
1 Hyped up 19 Year Old is not going to turn this 76er Franchise Around Now adding 3-4 Players in the #10-#30 Range would be the way to go which is what I think Hinkle will do.. Move back from #3 and then Package Thadd Young with some 2nd Round Picks to get back in the mid-late 1st Round…
Give me 4 Solid Players instead of 2 every day …
Only pick he possibly trades out of is 10. The stockpile of 2s makes that even less likely.
3 spot leaves them with chance at 2 of top 4 in Parker Wiggins Embiid and Exum.
I’m not an Exum fan but they won’t pass him up.
Parker = Evan Turner. Parker scares me to death. Most think he has no upside and isn’t going to be much better than what he is right now. The word is Exum is the real deal. At 18 he is long, quick, explosive and has huge upside. He has Westbrook type athleticism. He just needs to develop his shop. Playing in Australia none of us really have a clue but that’s whats being reported by those that are in the “know”.
Turner & Parker is a very poor comparison
Parker is very skilled and has many shots in his game..
Parkwrcwill have a much better career in the NBA then Turner ever dreamed to.. Parker will average 15-18ptz from the get go and then
Be a 20+ Point per Game by his 2ns Season for a very long time in the NBA
Turner will be a journeyman at best and probably out of
The Leauge in 2 more Seasons and has played about 15-20 Minutes in the Pacers 15 Playoffs Games thus far..
absolutely awful comparison. lmfao i dont understand how someone can even do that. one can score at will and one cant score at all.
parker is gonna be a scoring machine in this league
Parker doesn’t equal Turner its not close. Just from a scoring perspective alone Parker is veteran gifted in what he can do scoring wise.
The major concern is his body. Is he going to take it seriously and make up for what he doesnt have athletically.
He can’t still be walking around with baby fat needs to drop weight and add strength.
High draft picks don’t mean shit in the NBA or any other sport unless there is a Lebron, Shaq, Durant or Jordan there. The Spurs haven’t had a top pick in 20 years while the Cleveland’s and Milwaukee’s of the world pick in the top 5 every year. You have to have a system and draft great role players. Greg Popovich is the greatest coach in any sport in my lifetime. His staff has a system and his role players no matter who they are is what wins him championships with a sprinkle of stud players.
Thank you again Dag, tanking for what? The privilege to be in the lottery again next year? Great plan.
Biglion you live in fantasy land if you honestly think tanking and cleaning house wasn’t the right thing to do for the Sixers. Thats crazy talk. Yea ask the Spurs how they landed Duncan. Duncan changed the outlook of that entire franchise, not some coach, but the had to suck to get him. Im sure they really cared about that terrible season all these years while Duncan dominated the league.
Ask the THunder if they would do things differently and give up the chance to draft Durant in the lottery…
Let reality hit you in the face cause reality is we don’t have the weather in South Beach or Hollywood..we dont have the market in New York. How do you expect the Sixers to get good without being terrible first? Last time we were championship good we only got there because we took a guy named Iverson with the first pick in the lottery. Yea that lottery thing is a terrible idea
Bringing up Cleveland and Milwaukee as reasons to hate the lottery actually makes no sense at all. Milwaukee has only picked in the top 5 once in like that last 20 years. So bringing up them is just stupid.
Cleveland bombed last years draft but it was a terrible draft to begin with. Other than that they landed Kyrie Irving and Lebron James when they had #1 overall.
There is no doubt you need some good fortune with the ping pong balls but the Sixers are doing this the right way. Its the only chance they got to be a great team again. Unless you are that delusional to honestly think star players are going to pick Philly over California etc.
Pheags I guess it is a fantasy to expect a franchise to pick the right coaches and players and nurture that talent and make the right trades along the way to stay competitive and relevant, but by all means keep believing in a ridiculous system where you lose games for the right to bring in saviors every year. So now they have 2 top 10 picks and 53 second round picks and that’s a plan. Oh yeah we have tons of money to entice free agents who won’t come here. Yep I’m living in a fantasy world.
My goodness I hope Brett Brown is a clone of Greg Popovich the greatest coach in our lifetime. I hope Brown brings in many international players we never heard of along with SA system. The high flying spectacular American players (unless you have Lebron or Kobe) cant deal with the fundamentally sound group of players that come from abroad. Come on Brett bring that SA philosophy to the East coast!
Tim Duncan makes him look like a genius. He should of been a Sixer. Who goes back to Wake Forest for their senior year when they are the number overall selection. Instead the Sixers took Iverson who couldn’t lead.
I hope the Sixers select Embiid in an attempt to find that Tim Duncan for Greg Pop’s high pick and roll offense. If the Sixers have Nerlans and Embiid that is 2 chances at getting that important Tim Duncan piece. Duncan and Robinson, Duncan and Nesterovic, Duncan and Splitter. That size is important to the system.
I don’t want a Hasheem Thabeet clone – that’s what Embiid is…No thank you..
lets bet, I bet Embiid stats are better than Vonleh ( your boy) points, rebounds, blocks ( 3 categories so there is no tie) Loser changes their name, When I win your new name will be:
GMClueless instead of GMCliff
I like Vonleah’s upside in 2 Years time much more than Embid who I think will be an often injured, and a journeymen in the NBA..
Another Nazir Mohammed type..
Your assessment is correct Paul……E0S, I don’t look at stats as the identifying mark of success. I look at the players overall success in their career.
I will bet that…. But, If I win, you leave GCobb forever, and never return in anyway, no more E0S, Wiggles, or _gmcliff, or any hint of your uneducated heckling ass….
NBA is praying that Miami wins. Who the hell wants to watch SA vs Indiana in the finals.
I don’t want to watch Miami, I hate Dwayne Wade.
76ers Trade Back from #3 to #7 with the Lakers
And Get Center Gasol and a 2015 Pick for Doing so
#7 – 76ers Select Doug McDermott
#10 – 76ers Select Gary Harris
Staring Line-Up
MCW, Harris, Thadd Young, Nerlins & Gasol
With McDermott, Wroten & Co off the Bench
One more time…….. Gary Harris stinks Paul……..
Tithe will tell GMCliff
I like his game and believe he will blossom in the NBA
Now that he’s out of the “strict system” of Tom Izzo
And Michigan State and will be able to utilize his athleticism & strength.
I think He and Guard Elfrid Payton are the “steals” of this entire Draft
I don’t care how strict the system is. He cannot consistently put the ball in the basket and he is a 2. I am tired of the 6ers drafting guys that can’t shoot. Iggy, Evan Turner. All of these guys were athletic and we were told that thier shots would develop but they didn’t. So he is athletic, so that is suddenly going to mean that he will develop a J? Wouldn’t it make more sense for a pure shooter like Stauskus who is thinner to put on some weight and be successful in the NBA? At least admit that they are both an equal risk. And if that is the case then I will take the guy who shot 44% from downtown the last 2 seasons in college.
Harris plays strong Defense and that’s where the advantage is..
He’s 6-4 215-220lbs and can play perimeter Defense as well as be a decent Rebounder from the back side… Stauskus is a defensive Liability and if you pay attention to how Coach Brown and GM Hinkle will build this Roster, it will be with Defense and Toughness first, then worry about Scoring ..Solid Defense, Ball & Player Movement, Rebounding keeps you in 90% of Games Played
Keep you in the game and then no one can hit a shot down the stretch. They better get a 3 or a 4 that can score then, because you will have a backcourt that couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat and who knows what they will get out of Noel offensively. Gonna see a lot of games with scores in the 70s.
And then forget all the Euros that you have mentioned over the past year, because they never play a lick of defense.
bugs- are you referring to Wiggins or Harris?
I think if the Sixers take SF Parker then a SG like Stauskus, Harris , Smart, or Young become more likely 10.
If the Sixers take SG Wiggins then a SF like Hood, McDermott, Grant or Warren become more likely at 10.
Eagles. I am talking about Harris. He may be a strong defender but he has the least offensive talent of the SGs available.
I could also see them trying to get one of the 3 PFs if they can with 10 or potentially packaging to move up.
What are people’s thoughts on Dario Saric? He is an offensive threat who seems to have improved his defensive skills this past season. He could play the 3 or 4. I could see the Sixers picking Parker and Saric. If the Sixers pick Saric, they would be able to trade Young for a future first-round pick. Young does not seem to want to be part of a rebuilding process. Instead, Young wants to play on a championship-caliber team. I think everyone would win.
76ers are not getting a Future 1st Round for Thadd Young by himself..
Now maybe if the package a couple of 2nd Round Picks along with Young,
but not as a Stand Alone Deal…
I like Saric’s game and have been high on him all Draft run up..
Big guy who is fundamentally sound, good shooter,passer and Basketball IQ
which are the type of Players that Coach Brown/Hinkle are seeking ..
at #10,he would be a very Solid Pick..
If the reports that Cleveland is looking at college coaches first like Donovan and Hoiberg they are going with Embiid no.1. I’m not saying Embiid is the best talent but the size is going to make them go for him and pair up with Irving.
Embiid is going #1 overall. Parker is going #2 and Wiggins #3..
I just think that these guys are what these top 3 teams need each…
But If Wiggins is gone, the Sixers Im hearing are lukewarm on Embiid, they really are huge on Wiggins and Exum, so I expect them to go Exum over Parker and Embiid if theyre there..
Ive been telling you guys about Exum for a long time now, but It went on death ears. Now everyone wants to know what hes all about..
Just know this, hes been compared to both Jordan and Kobe.. The kid can flat out ball..
haaaaaaaaaa embiid and parker over wiggins, haaaaaaaaaaa idiot
“Death ears” baaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what an idiot
Wiggins & Embid will be 1 & 2
76ers will have to decide on Parker at # 3 or Trade down a few Spots to get more Assets.. I could see them Trading down to a Few Teams who may depserately want Parker
Orland Magic have the 4th & 12th Selections
Utah Jazz have 5th
Boston Celtics have the 6th & 17th
Lakers have 7th
Phoenix has 14th & 18th
Could the 76ers Trade back a few spots, and Future Assets (Draft Picks) and a Veteran Player that fits their System….
Let’s say a Deal with the Celtics
Could the 76ers be better off long-term with having the 6th,10th & 17th Selections
After a Celtics Deal – The 76ers could Draft the Following Players
6th – PF Noah Vonleh (6-10 245lbs)
10th – SF Doug McDermott (6-8 220lbs)
17th – PG Elfrid Payton (6-4 190lbs)
This could be a nice Trio to put along with MCW,Noels,Thadd & Wroten in building a solid foundation moving forward..
dont think doug will last until 10, here is some info on vonleh and mcdermott.
ESPN’s Chad Ford says Indiana PF Noah Vonleh was the biggest winner at the Combine.
Vonleh measured 6-foot-8 without shoes, had a 7-foot-4 1/4 wingspan, a 9-foot-0 standing reach and the biggest hands among all prospects tested (9.75 inches). His max vertical was a solid 37.0 inches. These are all elite measureables for an NBA power forward, especially one with as much skill as Vonleh. He shot 48.5 percent from 3-point range last season, boasting unlimited range with a sweet stroke. Vonleh is a sneaky bet to go in the top-5 of the draft and make an instant impact.
Source: ESPN.com
May 23 – 10:02 A
Creighton F Doug McDermott recorded a 36.5-inch max vertical at the Combine, ranking 18th among nearly 60 prospects.
McDermott also ranked in the top-15 of the lane agility drill. In other words, he tested well athletically even though he measured in at just 6-foot-6 1/4 without shoes. McDermott is a strong bet to go in the back part of the lottery.
Source: ESPN.com
May 23 – 9:39 AM
Mhenski its not a stretch that Parker and Embiid go 1 and 2. I actually have it Embiid 1 Parker 2 and Wiggins 3.
Basketball wise the Cavs are in desperate need of a true second scorer. Dion Waters has not worked out and Anthony Bennett may not get the chance to prove his mettle(may end up on the Evan Turner career arc). Deng was supposed to be the scorer they needed and did not work out.
Out of the post if what is projected about Embiid is true than he can scorer and provide an outlet for Irving. Same is said for Parker.
Wiggins has the best potential but probably wont be a reliable scorer day 1 and will take time.
The Cavs have the most impatient owner in the NBA. The Anthony Bennett pick was the epitome of wanting a guy who could step in and get buckets. He just struggled mightily year 1. Gilbert wants no part of having to wait on a kid.
its a stretch izzel. no gm is taking parker over wiggins. zero of them. 0 % chance wiggins gets past #2
There are plenty that question Wiggins. Especially from the standpoint of killer instinct franchise player. Is he Batman or Robin.
Australian PG Dante Exum recorded a poor 34.5 inch max vertical at the Combine.
The mysterious Exum is supposed to be an athletic freak, so the fact that guys like Julius Randle, Nik Stauskas and Doug McDermott are all better leapers is a little concerning. ESPN’s Jeff Goodman also notes that observers were expecting to see a more explosive first step. Still, Exum measured 6-foot-4 1/2 without shoes, dominant size for an NBA point guard. He remains the No. 1 point guard prospect.
Source: ESPN.com
May 23 – 9:45 AM
AND POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF There goes any talk of him going top 3
Last line is all that matters Mhenski. Hes the no.1 PG prospect and the draft has no other G outside of Marcus Smart thats top 10 worthy.
Lakers would sell their soul to get him.
As usual, the typical Pre-Draft Hype is starting to dissapate on many of these supposed “Saviors/Franchise PLayers” who are now going thruyNBA Workouts,Drills and under Close Scrutiny of NBA Scouts ..
1) Embiid and about his Back
2) Parker about his “Motor & Heart”
3) Exum about his slight build to play a 80 Game NBA Schedule and lack of explosiveness
Wiggins is probably the safest and most sure thing as far as Top Prospects
go … Vonleah , Randle,Marcus Smart are probably safe picks as well though maybe not as high of a ceiling as Top #4 Prospects, but you kind of know what your going to get.. Vonleh still has some questions too..
Thats pre draft posturing happens every year. Those three are going to be played in the shell game until the draft.
Wiggins is not a sure bet because he can go to a dysfunctional team like Cleveland struggle early and not be developed properly. He will need help on his dribble mechanics and his mid range jumper. He makes the most sense for Philly not just schematically but because of development and the route they are taking to build their team.
One thing to keep an eye on though…
Would Cleveland trade this years 1 next years 1 possibly Bennett for K.Love?
nobody is questioning parkers motor and heart, they are about wiggins though
You have to questions Parker’s motor when he looks soft and unathletic.
Parker worries me that at best he’s Rudy Gay. He’s has talent but he definitely has a Paul Pierce type ceiling.
If you want more info on Exum check out the guys over at draftexpress. They have been on Exum for 2-3 years now really before anyone.
Exums true test will be on private workouts matched up against other players in the draft etc.
Theirs little tape on the kid he has played in no leagues etc. Hes from the school factory that pumped out Andrew Bogut.
******** Johnny football in the funniest lawsuit known to man is being sued for $25 million for sexual harassment, i encourage everyone to look up the papers it is hilarious
apparently his new name is johnny hotdog
god im glad that circus aint here. what a side show
Holy crap. That is pure gold.
that was one of the funniest legal briefings i have ever read!!!
Agreed. I am already sick of the ESPN documentary on Manziel. I don’t need OTA updates on this dude.
******* EAGLES RUMOR
I was told moments ago that Andre Johnson is currently golfing with Howie Roseman at Merion Golf Club.
I don’t really believe it, but thought I would pass it along just in case.
it was just backed up by a caller who said it was andre johnson and his agent and there is supposedly twitter pictures.
mike miss is investigating
Paulman Extends the Rumor and states that Eagles have Offered
QB Matt Barkley (who Coach O’Brien likes) TE Celek, WR Damarus Johnson and a 2nd Round Pick in next Years Draft for WR Johnson
Texans are on the Clock..
rumor is shaping up to be bullshit as i expected
They won’t trade Celek Paul…..
I don’t believe so either GMCliff
Kelly likes Celek and he’s their Best All-Around TE on the Roster
I think he’s primed for a good Season ahead..
**Sixers Draft News**
Rumors are swirling right now and you can’t believe everything you hear.
But..
I’m hearing that the Sacramento Kings are looking to trade their 8th overall pick for a proven productive wing player.. With that said, I’m hearing the Sixers may be in on this offering Thaddeus Young and a few 2nd rounders for that 8th overall pick.. (that would give them 3 top 10 picks)
I’m also hearing that the Celtics are looking to move up (For Embiid)..who really impressed everyone in the building at his recent workout. He’s going 1st ovr..
My thoughts: With the Sixers having the 3rd, 10th and a slew of 2nd rounders, they are a team in demand. They can potentially control the entire draft…
My opinion, they will own this draft. They will end up with 3-4 first round players that will help this team tremendously..
The Sixers also have the option of trading they’re 1st rounder next year and make it top 5 protected to get another player this year..
Options abound for our 76ers..
Showyaluv!
They’d be smart to make a deal for DeMarcus Cousins with Sacramento. I’d have no problem giving them Nerlens Noel….
Sacramento is moving into a Downtown Arena,
Why would they want to Trade their Best Player in Cousins for
A unproven Pkayer in Noel’s.. Doesn’t make much sense on thei part at all
GMCliff..
I makes absolute sense Paul. He has been a problem for them, and they have been trying to trade him for 2 years now – including to the Sixers.
I don’t think very highly of Nerlens Noel, but some think he is loved in Front Offices around the league. So the Kings, get the BS, and we get a better player….I’d do it in a heartbeat.
If you draft Wiggins, and add Cousins with a Power Forward Max Player next year….We’re closer to a Championship caliber team.
I like Cousins too but if we trade Noel there, then who is going to be our shot blocker, rim protector? That guy is not on this team without Noel… Cousins isn’t that guy either..
Theyre not trading Noel.. if you trade Noel its only for Embiid. That’s it. They’ve worked so hard on improving Noels game, they seem very invested…
Bu lets take a moment to think about the effect that Serge Ibaka has had on okc, without him that team was a wreck, didn’t have a chance, now that they have his defense and rim protection, they made a series of this now…
So we cant ignore this.. We now finally have a defensive athletic freak that can rebound and run the floor like a guard. (No not Sammy D)
Hes extremely young so I wouldn’t trade him just yet.. Unless its for Embiid, someone I feel may have a higher ceiling..
Embiid will be a problem at the next level… Lets hope Noel will be too..
Lol they have not been trying to trade him for 2 years. The Rudy Gay deal and drafting of McLemore showed they are trying to do everything they can to build around him.
And you’re the guy trying to call other people out about making stuff up?
Stick to the football.
Speaking of Demarcus Cousins, I heard their was a deal on the table In the hour before Sam Hinkie flipped Jrue Holiday and 2013’s No. 42 pick for Nerlens Noel and now the No.10 pick in this June’s draft..
The Kings and Sixers discussed a trade centered around swapping Thad Young for DeMarcus Cousins. Heard that the two sides were very close to working a deal to send the No. 11 Pick, Holiday and Young to Sacramento for the No. 7 pick and Cousins.
But obviously it didn’t go down but it was close.. I would have liked that deal, we would of had a dominate center.. Though hes a head case hes unstoppable…
That deal had nothing to do with DeMarcus Cousins and everything to do with Ben MCLemore who Hinkie wanted if they could not land Noel. He wanted to solidify a backcourt with MCW or give him a running big man.
I think 76ers will be involved in multiple Deals,
Including Thadd Young and a couple of the 2nd Rounders to get at least
1more 1st Round Pick In the Top #15
This Franchise needs quality Players and a little Lady Luck for a change..
Go GM Hinkle & 76ers
1st – Embiid to Cavs (he is being called the best prospect in this draft)
2nd – Parker to Bucs (Parker is the safest bet in the draft)
3rd – Wiggins to Sixers (the plan from the beginning)
If the top 3 works out in my dream scenario, the sixers need to trade the 10th & 32nd selection to move up a few spots and try to nail: Julius Randle or Vonleh
MCW
Shooting Guard
Wiggins
Vonleh / Gordon / Randle < 1 of 3 hope
Nerlens Noel
I love that starting lineup w/ Thad young as 6th man. There is already talk of Thad going to the Sacramento Kings though for the 8th pick in the draft. Sixers could get 3 of the top 10 guys in this draft class.
Good stuff Zukny.. I see it playing out n a similar fashion…
If no one has checked out Parkers workout you should youtube it. He really was impressive and seems to have dropped maybe 15-20 pounds…
Im starting to not mind if they drafted him.. But im still higher on Wiggins and Exum over him because of their defense alone… Not saying parker couldn’t improve it…
I see the Sixers drafting 3-4 first rounders thru trades..
I can also see a scenario where Wiggins falls to us at # 3.
Its still early in the process but Andrew has yet to have a draft workout in front of teams and scouts.. Usually all draft prospects have them. Both Embiid and Parker had one in LA a few days ago and really impressed.
Im waiting to see what Wiggins does..
He says he wants to go 1st overall, but that’s just for the public in my opinion. Where all three of these guys wanna go is to the Sixers if theyre picking out of the 3 teams (cavs,bucks,sixers). Because of the playing time they will get and the developmental program that Coach Brown and staff are instituting..
Theyre building a state of the art training facility and gym (nomore Pcom soon), and a GM that is a forward thinker with a clear vision…
This is why you keep hearing Hinkie mention these things every time he talks about the draft prospects he says that most of the top players find philly to be an attractive place to play because its a large market, playing time and theyre going be taught the game and groom to be successful NBA players…
So me hearing him assure us that the top players in the draft want to play here is comforting to know..
They also probably want to come here cause of MCW, the guy you guys want to trade away.
Believe it or Not— 8 out of 10 Top Prospects have stated to the 76ers already that they don’t want to come to Philly and Play for the 76ers because GMCliff is too hard on them in Philly Area Blogs, and they want to go where they are appreciated.. Time will Tell..
I probably don’t want their sorry ass anyway – especially Garry Harris, Tyler Ennis, Shabazz Napier, Nik Stauskis, Jeremy Grant, or Glen Robinson III…….
Those guys would never be considered 1st Round Picks in some past drafts….
GMCliff,
Actually it was Gary Harris & Nick Stauskus who said that they welcomed the challenge to prove you wrong and want to cone to Philly The others are weak-minded and not mature enough for the NBA
In fact Embiid stated he didn’t even know where Philadelphia is??
Neither of them are real serious prospects who cares – They’re just space on the bench, or D-League Paul……
That’s good that Embiid doesn’t know where Philly is, because I don’t want him here anyway….
Ha Ha.
PD, I never said I wanted to trade MCW, I said that it could be a possibility.. Lets be honest this is a deep draft, probably the deepest in the past 15 years.. And the Value on MCW right now is at a all time high. He could yield us a top 5 pick…
Do we trade him for a guy like Dante Exum? Who can do everything MCW can do and then some. Exum’s court vision is insane and he can score the ball like a shooting guard.. I just feel he has more upside than MCW..
Of course if MCW stays id be just fine because Im a fan but with Dante at 18yrs old and MCW at 22 going on 23 Id go with the younger guy with more upside…
And If you guys haven’t noticed, this current Sixers regime doesn’t really invest heavily in guys over 24yrs and up.. they have no place on the roster it seems. Thad is as good as gone in my opinion…
Dante Exum hype is a bit overblown. His court vision isn’t insane, he has a nice first step and can get to the bucket. He’s a terrible shooter with the same ills that MCW has biggest difference MCW has done it in the NBA while there’s little to no tape on Exum against top competition and don’t try and sell a couple camp games where most guys have no book on him.
By all means draft Exum and run double PGs and then see which you can flip. But trading MCW outright for an unknown commodity would be beyond stupid. Even if MCW is not a superstar he’s a good player they stole in last years draft @11.
Exactly Izell I should have read your post before I responded. I could have just said agreed.
JH, there is no guarantee that Exum will do it on an Nba level. I do like Exum tho
In my eyes, I see him being a very very good player, PD. He has all the tools. Youll see soon.. Hes a very skilled player, plays PG naturally but can score the rock..
If Kevin Love is willing to sign a Chris Paul deal guaranteeing a 2 year stay before free agency the Sixer’s are a top 3 contender for him. They can offer both picks next this year or still hold on to the 10th pick and top 5 protect a pick next year. Jason Richardson’s expiring contract is gold this year as well.
And those 2s and cash will get you back into the first round this year.
Kevin Love will go back to California and end up with the Lakers and has no interest playing on the East Coast says his Family..
Post it..
And Lebron was never leaving Cleveland. Unless the Lakers move Kobe, no one of note is heading to L.A. No one wants to play with this version of Kobe. Lakers are realizing how terrible that deal is.
You don’t draft 3-4 first rounders because the position it puts you in salary cap wise to hold players UNLESS 2 of those are Euros you plan to stash. If anything Hinkie is using someones greed to give up a pick in next year’s draft.
Hinkies not stupid. If Minny truly wants to move Love at his peak you are looking at a Harden steal with keeping assets and cap space in 2 years.
76ers will end up with a 3rd 1st around Selection
And another 1st Round Selection for 2015 Draft
Wiggins & MCW would give the 76ers a dynamic Back-Court for years to come
But their Front-Court needs an entire do-over..
Niels will play solid Defense and be active around the Rim
But 76’s need a true PF who can Score, then a wing-player who can Score
Then a Rebounder..
If they get Wiggins, than Thadd Young and sone of these 2nd Roubd Selections need to be Package for a Top 12-15 Pick
To go along with that 10th Pick to Front Court help
Maybe a Sarcic, McDermott, Payne,TY Warren..
Can we stop with Thad Young is getting you a first round pick.
He’s a nice player…with 2 years left on his contract. He’s not getting a 1st rounder sent for him. He’s sweetener in a player for player deal.