A Solid Dress Rehearsal
The third preseason game is generally considered to be the final tune-up for the first teamers, who often play into the second half of these games.
The Eagles first unit, which had struggled through two games, played their best game of the preseason tonight.
Offensively, Nick Foles showed a good command of the system, leading the unit down the field for three scoring drives in the first down alone.
Foles wasn’t perfect, and missed his mark with a poorly thrown ball every now and then, but for the most part was spot on. He was able to make good, quick decisions, and get the ball to the open men. Foles was very good at converting his third downs, often searching out either Brent Celek or Zach Ertz to make big plays in the middle of the field.
The offense’s best moment came on LeSean McCoy’s touchdown reception. It was a very well executed screen play, with Jason Kelce, Todd Herremans, and Jeremy Maclin all blocking well down the field. The athleticism of guys like Kelce and Herremans are what make the Eagles such a potent screen team. Their lineman has the ability to fly down the field and open up lanes for their ball carriers.
The first team defense also had their strongest showing to date. Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers were shutout in the first half. Unlike the previous two games, the defense was able to find ways to get off of the field. There were positive signs all around from the defense in this one. They did a good job bottling up LeVeon Bell and the Pittsburgh running attack. DeMeco Ryans set the physical tone early with his big hit on Bell on an incomplete pass. He may have drawn a penalty for a hit on a defenseless receiver, but a hit like that can send a message to the opposing offense, as well as fire up the other members of the defense.
Quick Thoughts
Offense
- Riley Cooper, in his first game action of the preseason, dropped a catchable pass on third down that killed the Eagles’ opening drive.
- Alan Barbre continues to struggle at right tackle. Barbre missed a block and got Nick Foles hit on one passing play, forcing a poorly thrown pass.
- Henry Josey got some reps with the first-team offense, appearing in a two-back set with Darren Sproles.
- Zach Ertz has gotten much of the hype this off-season, and rightly so, but Brent Celek is still one heck of a weapon for this offense. Celek has been tough after the catch throughout the preseason, taking on big hits and running through tacklers.
- Scary moment in the first half when Jeremy Maclin fell down while running a route, and briefly was on the ground clutching his knee. Even though Maclin was able to get back up and back into the game, his durability just feels incredibly fragile.
- How does Chris Polk make this team? He’s been completely MIA while guys like Matthew Tucker and Henry Josey have stepped up and looked great. Tucker and Josey have played extremely well throughout these first three games, and its hard to imagine the Eagles keeping a roster spot for Polk (who always seems to be battling some kind of nagging injury) over either of these guys.
- Another strong showing for Mark Sanchez, who worked another quick, quality scoring drive before the end of the third quarter.
- Henry Josey had a 70-yard touchdown run nullified by a holding call.
Defense
- Nolan Carroll saw his first action of the preseason, and came down with a tough interception in the first half.
- Malcolm Jenkins broke up a pass that would have given the Steelers a first down.
- Mychal Kendricks just continues to flash. He’s been all over the field this preseason, and everything about his play so far screams breakout year. Kendricks pressured Ben Roethlisberger into throwing a poor pass that was intercepted in the first half.
- Brandon Graham picked up a sack and forced a fumble at the end of the first half. Graham actually powered through a blocker and got to the quarterback, unlike his usual untouched sacks.
- It’s pretty clear at this point that Nate Allen has beat out Earl Wolff for the starting safety position opposite Malcolm Jenkins. Allen took the majority of first team reps, while Wolff didn’t get in the game until the second half.
- Another game, another sack for Vinny Curry. All Curry seems to do is produce sacks for a team desperate for a pass rush. No excuse for him not to have a prominent role in his third year.
- Curtis Marsh had another rough outing. Once he was inserted into the game in the second half, Marsh was picked on by Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown for a couple of big pass plays.
Special Teams
- Alex Henery connected on a 36-yard field goal in the first half, but then missed an easy 31-yard field goal in the second half.
If you asked me to chose between Nick Foles and Ben Roethlisberger, I would go with Foles. I would not have said that before this game.
I was impressed with the tight spots Foles was slipping the ball into tonight. He looked better (at times) tonight then he did in any game last year.
I think our offense will be fine.
Eagles 1st unit OL & DL dominated the line of Scrimmage in the 1st half and the 2nd Units did well versus the Steeker’s Stsrting unit as well..
The Eagles 2nd Unit OL has looked sharp and cohesive all preseason long
And many Teams around the NFL would love to have some of these Players
Defensively, Brandon Graham & Vinny Curry are playing their best Football as Pro’s and now the Front 7 had real depth and options based on their opponent and score of the games , etc… Lots of Versatility across the board ,
They can go big & strong or Smaller & more Athletic and that’s the NFL
Has becone, gone are the days you line up your best 11 defenders and have them play 60 snaps a game.. Eagles will employ 18-19 Pkayers Defensively who will play and contribute.. The key is getting the right combinations versus the right opponents given the situation,score & opponent ..
Great game tonight..
Foles will continue to improve the more he plays. He has shown that he can win the confidence of his team and coach. I as a fan will trust that the people in the Locker room and building know more than anyone else. The guy gets the ball into the hands of play making players and lets them make the plays. I think there is a segment of this fan base that is so lost in the though process that it all has to be about the QB they lose sight of the concept of playing as a team. This team got better when it got a team oriented Leader vs a Playmaker. Stop pining for a guy like RGME who will be Vick 2.0 exciting to watch when healthy half a season because its all about him making a play.
On a side note..
Steelers high Draft pick from 2 years ago
Jarvis Jones fails to impress.. He’s small, can’t get off blocks..
Just don’t see a lot of NFL Upside with him and I recall
Many posters being ha-ha over him 2 Drafts ago.:
Didn’t see it then and still don’t now,,,
Paulman, I posted two weeks ago he was going to bust. You responded that it was to early to determine. Granted, he (Jones) was going against the best LT in the game IMO, however, this is Jones’ year to make the leap. I have seen nothing from Jones this preseason that indicates he has improved in any facet of his game/skillset.
Paul, sounds exactly like someone’s 1st rounder from this year, that you seem to be high on? HMMMMM!!!!
Jarvis Jones- 6’2″ 250.
Marcus Smith- 6’3″ 252.
Again, HMMMMMMM!!!! Both are undersized for their position, both reaches, both will be busts. Bank on it!
DCar I agree that jones hasn’t been very impressive. Not sure his size has anything to do with it. The league has a long history of undersized guys bringing the wood and physical freaks with zero ability. But even you’d agree that the Steelers have a LONG history of getting it right defensively. The eagles get no pass for the reach of this kid Smith. I have been thoroughly unimpressed with him. I’m hoping he steps it up. But I’m getting this Mike Mamula feeling in the pit of my gut. He’s a reach 2 steppin on the cusp of bust if this ish keeps up.
brewski, I agree, but I was just pointing out to paul about his hypocrisy. LOL! You don’t get a pass on this one paul. Pittsburgh are usually good at drafting, but the last 3-5 years, they have been atrocious. They are the Phillies of the NFL. They are ancient, out of cap space, overpay their veterans, let many of their good players go with no compensation, & haven’t replaced them.
Feel a lot better with both sides of the ball then I have all preseason. But seeing Maclin “go down” makes it obvious that we need another receiver to step up. Or find a new one
The offense is going to be a major plus for this team, but if Shady goes down, they are f^#@ed. What a beast this dude is. He’s already in mid-season form. Health is going to be a major key for this offense. If they stay healthy, I can see them averaging 28 points a game. The defense is still the major issue, with too many ???? Any coincidence, that the corners played a little better without big mouth Williams in there. This secondary is going to get burnt & the front 3 aren’t going to get any pressure, unless Davis blitzes & Curry doesn’t get on the field. Too many square pegs, in round holes, too many spare part players. This team lacks playmakers, & has so for several years now! Going to be alot of 35-28, 37-34 games this year. Especially with the QB’s we are going to face (Luck, Rodgers, Kapernick, Newton, Wilson, Romo/ Manning/ RGII all twice & can’t be as bad as last year, looking to make comebacks, Palmer is still solid, with weapons. No excuse for all the holes that are ignored on this team with quality players, when you are $25M+ under the cap, before you release DJax, & are worth $1.75B! That is all that needs to be said…. .
Also, is anyone else as disgusted as me, seeing wet tissue paper man, Maclin hurt & dinged everytime he’s breathed on? If he doesn’t get hurt, he comes out dinged up. If he doesn’t turtle arm a pass, he goes right down to the turf after catching a pass. Dude is a fragile bust, & will be his last year here!
I can see, we had a Smith sighting??? He actually made 4 tackles. All his slurpers, will have him HOF bound, with the I told you so’s now! WOW!!
Paul,GMCliff, BigL, & Eagleshasl, would you trade Sanchez & a conditional 3-4 rounder to the Texans for WR Andre Johnson? With his age, & fragility from the last several seasons, would you guys take a chance on him? When he is on the field, he is a top 5 WR. Only reason I’m asking is, the Texans were dangling him during the draft, we need a true veteran #1-#1A WR, they need a QB to come in & start now, & a 3rd-4th round conditional pick is a good pick, for a veteran with his circumstances.
I would drive from Jacksonville and pick Sanchez up and drive his ass to Houston today if they could make that trade.
I’d be riding shotgun with you Big. Just in case you get sleepy and Sanchez tries to make a run for it.
Guys, I’ll pack a tailgate too! LOL!
Sounds like we’d be able to land Johnson….lol
LOL
DCar, I would trade for Johnson, however, If I am Howie, I am trying to get the conditional pick ( 6th). My reasoning for wanting the conditional is all the issues you mentioned, age (33), fragility, knowing Johnson is not happy , all added to the fact that the Texans were dangling him out there plus the disparity between the two players salaries as I figure Johnson is making a lot more. Plus, Sanchez is more valuable to me if Foles goes down, If a receiver goes down, we still have better chance to get through with our back up receivers than if we lose Foles. I know Johnson’s resume when compared to Sanchezs’ is in a different class, but, the fact that the Texan’s could be getting their franchise QB (wink wink) in the prime of his career is a major bonus when compared to a receiver with durability issues going into his 13th season and quickly approaching the end of his career. If the Texan’s did not go for that, then I would give the Texans no more than a conditional 6th rounder for him. I figure if Sanchez continues to look good next week, a team with a QB injury during the season may be willing to part with a 3 or 4 to acquire Sanchez’s services. To simply answer your question though, No, I can’t give up a conditional 3 or 4 for Johnson because of the age and fragility issues at this time in his career, plus , I don’t know if Johnson would want to return in 2015 or how well he would perform this year, he is at the age that when his ability (speed) and skill starts to decline, and when they do, they will drop quickly. I think the Eagles will be looking to draft another WR next year as over reactin Maclin continues to scare the ish out of everyone every time he goes down writhing in pain like a shot deer during non contact plays.
Hopefully something can be worked out. I wouldn’t mind giving a conditional low round pick, to get the deal done.
I may need to modify my prediction here.
If the refs call these like this against every defense the Eagles play, I predict “Multiple Superbowls” in the forseeable future.
Even with Foles is ass?
I suspect that those calls are going to go either way. Tonight they benefited the Eagles (though overall the calls seemed to be less) – the first couple of games that wasn’t the case. It’s gonna be hit or miss I think.
Though i will say I think way too many games (this isn’t Ealges specific) will be decided by ticky tacky or flat out bad penalties this year.
Ts we finally agree.. If the games continue to be called like this then there is a chance outcomes can become fraudulent …teams will just throw long looking for illegal contact, get the call and a third and 20 becomes first and ten..awful
After last nite this is what I know we have to keep 4 running backs because tucker and Josey are pretty good. Barbre played ok still getting beat. Maclin won’t make it he is soft as duck butter. We should trade for andre Johnson now just to e safe. Button made some nice catches goodbye Casey not worth the money Pitts offense sucks a d our defense will be physical but not enough pass rushers OH YES HENRY AND MARSH NEED TO BE GONE YESTERDAY FUCK HENRY CONFIDENCE WE AIN’T GOT TIME FOR SOFT ASS KICKERS
Oh yea forgot foles had people open all nite he just needs to settle down and make better throws
Overall a decent performance from both sides of the ball, but individually there were some players that I still have concerns.
– Obviously we need to address our irratic kicker Henery. I guarantee you that he will cost us a game this year.
– Cooper dropped some very catchable passes, including one in the end zone. The fact that he has missed so much of camp might be the cause, but I believe that he should play a good deal of the game next week to get him catching the ball better.
-IMO Foles played generally OK, but there are times when, at least to my eyes, he does not look completely comfortable in the pocket. There were a couple passes dropped by the recievers (Cooper and Sproles) but overall he deIivered the ball. I thought that the interception was not his fault, however even when you have a timing pass like the double screen, you need to look at the player before you throw the ball.
-Maclin showed a lot of grit coming back so quickly from the hyperextended knee, but I question his ability to stay healthy over the course of the season.
-Matthews made some good blocks. He had 2 catches and a nice screen. I was looking for more from him playing with the #1’s.
-The defense played very well, shutting out the Steelers in the first half.
– Stupid penalty by Jenkins. I would guess Kelly will send him the same message.
-I thought Graham and Curry both played well when given the chance. The provide the most consistant pass rush of the group.
– Smith II made more plays than last week. He made a nice stop against the run, and he was close in his pass coverage of Brown (clearly not a match-up they wanted to have for the Birds). Still a project however.
-The Birds will have some tough roster choices to make in the upcoming days. There will be some good players that will end up being cut.
Good post! Agree with 99% of it…can’t agree 100% with you Green…haha just kidding…
Considering, Pittsburgh isn’t the team they used to be, especially defensively and Pitt’s O Line may be worse than a year ago. The Eagles D was able to get off the field on 3rd downs, which was nice to see. Curry and Graham need to be on the field, somehow Davis needs to make that happen come regular season. Not getting to high or low on expectations right now. But last night was a good showing on both sides of the ball.
Lol….yes RT, 100% just would not be right!
How Davis handles this D-Line rotation is going to tell the story of the regular season. They cannot sole rely on pressure coming from blitzes, we must be able to generate something from the line. It all starts right there up front, and if successful it will make the defensive backfield that much better….if not, they will be exposed too. Davis has his job cut out for him, lets hope that he has the players to get it done.
What is the infatuation with trading for Andre Johnson? You people need to stop thinking in a Fantasy Football mode.
1. If the Eagles trade Sanchez, who would be the backup QB? Barkley would be, so IF Foles were to miss a game or two they would be relying on Barkley to win those games. Not a smart move.
2. To give up Sanchez AND a draft pick is just plain stupid. This team cannot just be giving away draft picks. They need all the young bodies they can get.
3. Johnson is old as hell and slow. Always has a ache and pain like Maclin.
4. Johnson has not played in this offense, so how long before he would actually know it and make a true impact. 4-6 weeks? 8 weeks?
Now if this was back in Apr or May, I would do it BUT not for Sanchez and a draft pick.
It would be Maclin straight up for Johnson and maybe exchange draft picks.
At this point in the season the Eagles have to go with what they have. They can make moves but not a major move unless its on the defensive side of the ball. An offensive player will be way behind and just wouldn’t be able to make an impact till its to late.
Obtaining WR Johnson is not even worth discussing…
paul, why isn’t it worth discussing, because it wasn’t one of your ridiculous ideas? He’s 10 times better, than anyone on our current roster, the Texans are desperate for a starting QB, & they have wanted to trade him since the end of last season. As for the dipshit above, saying who will QB if Foles goes down, it doesn’t matter, because if Foles goes down, the season is finished anyway. Both Sanchez & Barkley a bums. Same with Shady, if he, or Foles go down, the season is done. Both of them right now, are irreplaceable in this offense. I don’t want to hear the verbal BS, that anyone can play in the all mighty, genius, saviors offense either! Sanchez is the preseason MVP every year since he came into the league. He sucks & Barkley is worse!
Barkely or Sanchez…really doesn’t matter…Each one will throw more INT’s than TD’s…don’t matter! Texans wouldn’t entertain a Maclin for Johnson straight up…especially if this was Apr or May.
Because he’s head and shoulders better than any recv on our team. Lets not start with revisionist history. Johnson was considered on the best top 5 or 3 just a couple of years ago. His qb play is what hurt the texans. Not his level of play. I’d take my chances trading Sanchez (A BACK UP) and see what shakes out with any other BACK UPS being released due to money, bad fit or whatever.
So let me follow this logic guys,
The Eagles cut a Big-Player Receiver in D-Jax who
Is 6 years Younger with 3-4 prime years left than the 33 year old Andre Johnson, who actually has a higher Salary
Than D-Jax did… What am I missing here?
Paul it is obvious what you are missing, DJAX was not perceived as a good team mate. Simple, coach made a decision.
Of course we don’t even know if Houston is in on this discussion
First, I thoroughly disagreed with the release of Djax. Kelly and management can spin it however they choose, but I call bs. That being said, Djax was never in the same hemisphere as Johnson. He would have been the best recvr on this team even with Djax. Johnson has been playing with shit and I don’t blame him for wanting out. Check the numbers.
Random question, does anyone live outside the US? I need a good way of watching games. My internet is terrible and so streaming is a poor option. I would purchase one of these packages from NFL.com, but I don’t know if they will work in the carribbean. Anyone with experience with this? Id love to hear from you.
Solid job by the eagles all around. As always.. the O looks sharp and fast and I see no reason we dont score a billion points again this year… perhaps even more than before.
On D…. we shall see… clearly our 1st round pick isnt getting it done and I’m not sure he ever will.. but it’s early yet.
The key for this Eagles team is… can we get to the QB? Do we have enough to do that?
Denny you were doing ok until you got to B Grahmn. It ain’t his fault we didn’t draft a stud safety instead of him. It ain’t his fault, but just bad luck he’s been injured. It ain’t his fault the team/coach can’t decide whether he shuld be a linebacker or dlineman. It ain’t his fault the fing defensive scheme keeps changing. Who’s the d coordinator now; the waterboy? The fact is other than Curry,when on the field he’s gotten pressure or a sack on the qb. and I would hardly describe then as clear path sacks. Deny you’re better than this. You should like some of these fools on this site.
If Curry and Graham played every 3rd and long the pass rush wouldn’t be a problem.
Graham should have been gone, as soon as we switched over to the 3-4. Period!
Yep he looks absolutely ridiculous in space.
“sound” like
My cuts for as of right no are marsh, Henery, Boone,Lowe,roc carmike,bamiro, acho, reynolds, Casey Matthews, pratt, Joe kruger, Villanueva, damaris, and benn
You would cut Reynolds? He’s been a solid S so far. The others are good choices but mentioning Reynolds just kills any thought that you might have any good football knowledge.
Really Football knowledge you get bashed all the time about your so called football knowledge and get on me about one player screw you pos I swear if I ever meet you in real person I’m gonna bash your fucking face in you fucking nerd
zilents, don’t waste your breath, the little boy has steroid fingers. He is a troll, lemming, & seems as though he does it to everyone on here, with a brain. He talks about knowledge, but when everyone is talking about transactions, what should & shouldn’t be done to our teams, he brings nothing to the table, but name calling & unwarranted character assassinations. The punk is a big mouthed coward, who never had any pussy, & lies about how many houses he has, & who he is! He is as worthless as shit out of an amoebas rectum!
You are right dcar this dude is only here to antagonize and push buttons it’s ok I understand now he has mental problems I feel sorry for him that he Has to wake up everyday knowing he is a piece of shit
Want me to pay for your bus fair you pussy bitch!!!!!!
Think I’m scared of some little weasel like you? LMAO think again. Here email me and we can set up a meeting…….prez6899@yahoo
I’ll be waiting.
DCar you can email to, matter of fact I’ll arrange for both you ladies to come see me.
Whats so funny, you ladies can’t handle be proven wrong, how are you 2 bitches gonna act when your sent back to the ghetto with your asses beat from 1 single white guy…..
Name the time & place punk! I don’t need arrangements. BTW, you POS, I don’t live in the ghetto, nor have you proven anyone wrong. I told your punk ass the other day, name the time & place, & I’ll be there to give you the beating you 2 Dads never gave you! All talk Bruh, all talk! Come to Broad & Oregon park tonight at around 8. I’ll be there. I’ll wear a red tank top, so you know it’s me. I’ll be the 6’3″ 240 lb pissed off guy, waiting to show you who the pussy is! Your call Mr. Cherry Hill. Put your steroid knuckles, where your mouth is bitch!
Easy with the testosterone fellas.
It’s just a blog and it’s just football after all.
Play nice.
ts, this cat has been on here berating people, & character assassinating people for weeks now, unwarranted, & I’m just pointing out what an asshole he is. Have you seen him bring any conversation of football, or anything else for that matter, other than to troll? He doesn’t know who he’s f^#@ing with. All steroid fingered biatches on here!
lol.
If anyone on this blog understands “character assassinating” it’s me. So I get it.
Still however, it’s just comments on the blog in the larger scheme of things – so take a deep breath DCar and ignore his ass. Put him on ice.
Can’t matter if no one acknowledges him.
And yes I realize I need to take my own advice. lol 🙂
ts, I know you do. You & me don’t agree much, but I wouldn’t come at you because you are a women, on a blog site sausage convention.
You being wrong on Foles thus far, you won’t ever live down. LOL!
Foles has played against some of the worst competition in the league and when he’s faced better comp or played teams that has his number (dallas) he has floundered mightily.
Talk to me after this season. Or win we beat a playoff team with a starting QB.
Lol, will you have your helmet on?
Steroid knuckles? Please, I’m no junkie. I work for what I have and am.
Hopefully you will be wearing a bra under that tank, you know to hold those moobs in place.
You people are way to easy to get riled up, lol. I bet I can get you to knock yourself out bc you are so easy.
If you think 6’3″ 240 is supposed to scare someone, you might want to rethink your game plan.
ts…..all I did is criticize them when they are wrong, with pure football knowledge and facts, and they got their panties in a twist. They think bc they played pee wee football they are football guru’s and I proved them wrong and made them look like fools. So they started the testosterone shit, so I can play that game too. I play it better.
To be perfectly honest I have no Dog in this fight.
But I’d say the same to you as I did to DCar – it’s just football man. On a blog no less.
So yeah…leave the testosterone for where it’s really needed….and put the other on ice that’s fucking with you. Ignore is a wonderful thing. 🙂
Like I said excuse making, steroid knuckle big mouth, 8:00 tonight at Broad & Oregon. You called me out, now I’m calling your bluff pussy cat! You call people boy, pussies, question their manhood, say you’re going to send us back to the ghetto & now, you find it funny! You made this a race, smarts, manhood issue. You are real tough behind a computer, like the little bitch you are. I’m a man, you are a little girl, with 2 dads. I ain’t laughing little Nancy bitch! Put up, or shut the fuck up & go away!
BTW, what kind of delusional f^#@ing nut job are you? What the fuck have you ever brought to the table, that is remotely considered factual, or knowledgable! You NEVER talk about anything of significance. You only troll, assassinate people’s characters, who you don’t know. You talk shit about people, when you clearly don’t have a fucking clue about anything!
Eagles will be keeping 4 ILB…I think Acho’s main competition would have been Phillips, but he’s no longer in the mix…I see Acho making the team.
I don’t see Josey making the team, but I don’t see him lasting on the Eagles practice squad…The same with Momah, wouldn’t be surprised either way if Eagles cut or keep Momah…possibly gets the nod over Maehl…
Why, after four years as an Eagle, doesn’t Curtis Marsh look for the ball. Is the DB coach that poor and if not why is Marsh around so long.?
It’s amazing isn’t it, Narsh actually was in position and had dove coverages but if you never turn your head back to locate the ball in flight,
Your doomed as a CB.. This probably has to do with the fact that Marsh is not a natural CB and played RB until 2nd Season at Utah
Who switched to CB his Junior a Year due to his athleticism
I always thought he had a chance as Free Safety with his size and is not afraid of contact if he was groomed at FS his 1st year and would have a chance, but he has poor hip movement, doesn’t see the ball until it’s too late at CB at the NFL level..
Another Coach AR Drsft Pick out of Position
On a basketball note, you dudes in here slapping Hinkie on the back explain the return of crap for Thad Young, a late first rounder and 2 dudes who wouldn’t start for a Sonny Hill league team. Just ridiculous.
Sorry but your wrong on this one Big. I would’ve preferred Bennett it possible but that first rounder is a Gould get and Shved has potential. Plus they wrote the bike off almost 20 million in one year. Excellent move. Young is overrated as they come.
Sorry Izell anything less than Bennett is unacceptable. Nobody is signing here those expiring contracts amount to nothing and that pick is just another European we’ll never see. Shved can’t play if he could he wouldn’t have been in this deal.
Shved can play he is not a world beater but he can hoop. 6-5 PG and he can knock down shots, no slouch athletically either. we need guys that can make shots that’s the direction of the league. I would have like Bennett also but you can only develop so much young talent at a time same reason why wolves don’t need shved bc they have Wiggins Rubio Levine. He played well for Russia and when Rubio was out 2 years ago he stepped in nicely. Thad is a good player but he doesn’t fit where we are headed.
I got to say, I’m not impressed with the return either. They could get more for him if they wait till the deadline. All these 1st round picks are just going to make the team young, but to young to be a threat and then all of sudden to expensive to re-sign all of them.
At some point they have to have a couple of good veterans on the team.
Just re watched the first half and my observations:
1. The steelers did not play vanilla like the Foles detractors say
2. The prize pick of the steelers #50 can’t cover Ertz
3. Celek is under rated
4. Kendrick is coming into his own and is a player
5. I LOVE shady, I believe he is an all-time eagle but….. And damn I can’t believe I’m saying it…. Shit I do t want to say it…but I think…. Guys can produce in this offense.
6. Given #5 I winder where the money gets spent
Keep in mind that wasn’t your granpapi’s Steelers out there. my goodness we are too low when things don’t look good and too high when they go well. As good as we played the score was only 14-0 at the half. That Steelers defense is just not good old vets and the other player are young and unproven.
Um I’m not “high” on where they are. Many posters said this was a good gage for where we are. The steelers may not be “the steelers” but they have a great coach, QB and some HOF defenders …
Only 14-0 at half lol…. Damn can we be up 14-0 at the half for the next 16 weeks… Is ill take it
For the record 17-0 at Half then 24-0 lead after a nice Sanchez Drive to start 2nd half where the Eagles #2’s stuffed it right down the Steelers #1’s… Game over with 25 minutes to play..
Nu, you hit it on the head.
Keeping it the perspective of Pre-season is important. The steelers head coach was not happy at all with his squad.
No he was not… How much of that has to do with the eagles? It’s a tit for tat thing
Not much of it had to do with the Eagles. You keep asking that question.
Pitt. Just. Looked. Bad.
Ealges didn’t look great. They looked good, but not world beaters or anything. BUT Pitt did look bad. Plenty of errors that had nothing to do with what the Eagles were doing.
I’m not particularly sure why you’re obssesed with this point.
An opponent that is playing well, faster, with mote discipline, more talent has the ability to MAKE the other opponent play bad. Think SB last year Denver played bad because Seattle made them. I contend that the eagles superior play made Pitt look pitiful.
Seaattle didn’t make Broncos play bad.
Broncos played the game they always played. Seattle just had their number. They were simply the better team.
Ealges didn’t have superior play. Not even by a little bit. At least not in the way you’re meaning it. Heck Ben and his receivers weren’t anywhere near the same page.
Defense was just bad. Out of position and whiffing on tackles. Not even guys making them miss as much as they weren’t following through with their tackles.
Pitt is just a bad team right now. Def not ’cause of anything the Eagles did.
I’m sorry you had mentioned that the steelers were a good test and good gauge to where the eagles stood… But that’s ok, I know your agenda.
No I didn’t.
I said their LB was good. But Steelers D wasn’t what it used to be so we’ll see. Steelers were an 8-8 team last year, no way I thought they were a good gauge of where the Ealges stood.
But way to interpret what I said to fit your agenda.
I also said I was more interested in how the Zebras called the game and how the defense adjusted.
Nice try though.
Sure you did..in he article entitled “eagles steelers what to watch for”
You said “it will be a good gage (sic) for where the offense is and hopefully e defense won’t be an embarrassment”…
Go back and read your own freaking words
“no way I thought they were a good gage of where the eagles stood’… are you sure about that TS? are you really sure you never typed those words? come on…. really… ok I will save you the trouble!!!!
tsjohnson5
August 20, 2014 – 8:44 am
That new LB of theirs is the TRUTH. Foles can fuck around and throw some lame ducks if he wants too, it will be pick city with that kid on the hunt.
With that said the feared Steelers D is still too old and not the fearsome unit they have been years past. So we will see. Should be a good gage where the offense is and as far as the D…well…let’s just hope they aren’t embarrassing.
hmmm interesting… seems that you did say that…and since they did quite well i would say the GAUGE is pretty high… again I know that doesn’t fit your agenda, the agenda that has been modified since this time last year!
Right…
With the whole Pittsburgh defense isn’t what it used to be…or did you miss that part?
Partial quotes don’t mean much.
there’s the whole quote for ya!
“With that said the feared Steelers D is still too old and not the fearsome unit they have been years past. So we will see. Should be a good gage where the offense is and as far as the D…well…let’s just hope they aren’t embarrassing.”
That’s the whole quote.
In other words our offense should be able to handle a not-so good Pittsburg defense – if not then we have problems.
We did that hence my “good game” comments – but the idea we made them “look bad” is ridiculous. They aren’t any good. We didn’t help with that.
Not “in other words” your direct quote INCLUDED “should be a good gage (gauge)”… Then in this thread you said ‘ I never said it was a god gage” .
Also, your monster LB looked silly most of the game and he usually had his back turned trying to find a receiver hence his zero interceptions against Foles
You’re right I said “gauge” and didn’t remember I said “gauge” – you want to know why b/c the entire quote was about the Eagles looking good against a bad defense which they didn’t manage to do in the first two games (though NE is prob a better defense than I give them credit for).
NOT in the way you meant.
But yeah you’re right I said gauge.
It’s funny you’re arguing with me b/c I’m not all “The Eagles are World Beaters” when I CLEARLY said they had a good game.
Homerism at it’s finest.
Oh and a rookie LB has a bad-ish game and that somehow negates the fact that the kid is a great talent? Got it.
Ts I just want to point out that your agenda is transparent, you were much higher on the birds when you know who was qb. You judged on a curve.
Moving on, since it was a good gauge we can now agree that the eagles seem to be ok… Foles is a good qb, DJAX leaving is not the end of the world … The eagles will have their ups and downs as all teams do but as you say they moved the ball well and scored 17 first half points against a team that provides a good gauge for where they are…and you know what TS…I AGREE with you!
I have an agenda?
*rolls eyes*
No. You have an agenda…i say they play a good game…but that’s a problem ’cause i didn’t say they were World Beaters – you want to be mad about something b/c I don’t look at the Eagles with Green Goggles on – and complain about a QB I haven’t brought up who doesn’t even play for the team anymore.
And you’re right…until we beat some playoff teams with starting QBs this is a good but not great team. If you have a problem with that evaluation so be it.
Ts don’t get mad, we agree…Pittsburgh was a good gauge. We have a qb that puts up mad points, our receiving corps is fine without DJAX… We determined that Thursday night because it was a good gage
Those green goggles must be great.
Along with that green kool-aid you sipping.
Know your place TS….lol. It doesn’t matter what you state or didn’t from this point forward. Your crime was not knowing your place and having the audacity to like a great proven young talent like Cam and a Vick who was playing well for your team before getting hurt. lol
What I took from that game was that Ike Taylor can’t cover me at 52 years old without being called for illegal contact.
Wow the giants look bad on offense and D is bad up front definely not worried about Eli he looks so uncomftable and the o line is bad
Giants OL will end up ok, lots of new Players and young Players for them
RB Rashard Jennings scares me a bit for he ran wild over the Eagles last year and is that big type of back that can wear down a defense if he stays healthy.. Giants are weak at TE and Not a whole lot of depth at WR
Their Frint 4 is so-so with the aging DT’s Patterson & Jenkins, so unless JPP rebounds to how he played 2-3 years ago, they are in trouble..
It’s funny you say something you bring up Rashad Jennings I played with him in high school and against him We are both from lynchburg Va and I played college ball with him at Liberty University. Great dude real down to earth
Nice story, I always like Rashard Jennings and the way he runs and attacks the Defense and he has more speed than many Defenders think..
Him and Rookie Andre Williams of the Giants will make a nice RB Tandem
If they stay healthy…
You played?! LMAO……being the jock strap boy doesn’t count as playing!
Man Paul Eli just looks like he has no idea what he’s doing in this offense but their run game is doing ok. Question for you do you think they will be better then skins?
Yes I think the Giants will be better than the Redskins…
RG3 has not looked all that great in their new System either and the Skins
Have OL issues as well.. I believe that Coach Coughlin will go back to basics and run the ball 60% of the time keeping them in more ball games,
which is why I give them the edge over Skins …
Are you sure their O line will be ok they are getting bashed by jets right now
The Giants problem last year and continuing this year has PRIMARILY been the play under center. Most national media and agenda driven fans won’t call it honestly. Elisha aka Eli has been playing like shit. I’ve watched many of these games and though the Giant oline isn’t good, it by far isn’t the primary reason the team is suffering. How many times will Elisha be allowed to stare down recvrs, hold the ball forever, force throws to blanketed recvrs, etc..etc.
Hey Paul I was checking out the carolina game. I know you are kinda high on them but they don’t have much team speed on Offense. They relying too much on a rookie receiver to carry them. I mean really Avant starts for them that’s bad.
Carolina has no real outside or deep speed threat so they will have to nickel & Dube it down the field to Score TD’s
They have 2 Good TE’s, decent RB’s but short of Playmakers
A good Fantasy a League is their Kicker Gano
Who will probably get a lot of FG attempts
They have 2-3 other young WR’s named Philly Brown and smaller slot Receiver named Besirn.. But they are young on this outside..
War J Crochery & Avant are the same type of Possesion
WR’s good on 3rd down, run blocking but are not going to scare anyone
Jason Avant has done very little in 3 Preseason Games
and could be released if thru decide to go with young guys at WR
Here is a great marketing question and I’m sure GCOBB staff could answer it… How many more posts come up on this blog when the birds play poorly? I’m sure it’s a huge difference… Wonder what that says bout the fan base?
Probably about as many about RGIII play; Manziel’s career prospects (you know with the whole running, money sign,rap liking persona), Russell Wilson being the luckiest “game manager” in football; AND WAIT FOR IT…..Mike Vick. And a dash of other team’s woes that eerily mimic some criticisms of our on team.
NEGADELPHIA HAC LOL
Firstly and foremost ,it was a pre-season game ,I get that ,however the pluses far outweighed the negatives ,and to the eyes it was ,a semblance of what things might look like ..To a defensive co-ordination ,how do you stop arguably the best back in the nfl,running behind (after week 4) a very solid and fleet and conditioned offensive line ..The rapidity will wear down defenses but nothing near as much as the attrition ,chasing shady and Sproles ,set in different formations ..the pin there ears back mentality of defenses will be easily neutralized with quick decisive reads from nick foles ,who has security in dual tight ends ,a back fleet of foot who can create his own space ,and an offensive line that keeps him clean ,knowing where he’s at ,at all times ..when it works we’ll ,this offense is a thing of beauty to behold.There blessed with ertz and Celek ,and no question maclin needs step up and remain healthy,which is why I question he turned down a longer term commitment ? It’s all (risk) on him ,that’s a huge load ,hope he shoulders it ..Riley coop,showed his rust ,that will just take many more reps ..if it ain’t broke why fix it point? If graham and curry ,which sounds like a good dish unto itself,if they pressure the pocket ,than in those certainties roll with it…the linebackers are reminiscent with there athleticism of buddy’s and bud Carson’s boys ..I like the tone set early on over the middle at the Linc…Jim Johnson was fist pumping that one for certain..let’s get back to being nasty …it’s our best persona …punishing all visitors gets you a home field slot in the playoffs every time …the kicker ,has the yips ..I only hope he’s renting and doesn’t own …he’s fixable ,on the waiver wire or a rocket the at radio city ,just get his pencil thin head out of my field of vision..I can not wait for a season already story lined twice with D Jax …the fact is we man up against the NFC west ,that’s a true measure of our worth..I hope health prevails and the birds come here to the desert twice this season ..I love my birds ..
one thing we must be thankfull for is both the 1st & second string offensive lines
THEY BOTH DID VERY GOOD HOPEFULLY THEY STAY HEALTHY
Blake Bottles is the best QB in this class and it’s not close.
Nope.
but you being a Flacco fan I can see how you feel that way.
The gameplay speaks for itself. He’s a pure pocket passer and arm strength and accuracy wise its not a match to Manziel or Bridgewater. Bridgewater may be better than Manziel but he’s not on the same field as Bortles. Bortles NFL transition will be easier if he doesn’t get David Carr pinball disease and Jax just lets him ride the line most of the year their talent base is still poor.
“He’s a pure pocket passer ”
No he’s not. Bridge is the only “pure pocket passer” out of the bunch. Bortles was billed as “athletic with a big arm” – though Bridgewater is def the more athletic of the two.
Did you even watch the Minn games? Bridgewater was blitzed to death by Arizona backups – the same backups who brought the pain against the Texans the week before. Arizona has good depth in their defensive backups so some of those supposed scrubs will be picked up by others come cuts. Marched them down the field and actually got a touchdown out of it – throwing to guys who will be the 5th and 6th option at best for the Vikings if they make the team.
And that was the second of the two drives. He got the TD on the first one as well. Under the same damn conditions – with Bowles bringing the heat each down.
No Ap. Backup RBs who aren’t that impressive. Seriously?
Even his first game with the middling stats wasn’t bad – a beautiful pass called back b/c of penalty with his series with the ones (led them to a field goal very similar to Bortles with the ones) and then having pass after pass dropped by those same 5th and 6th wideouts who showed up in the Arizona game.
If Bortles had done half of what Bridge did with the same team under the same circumstances folk would be going bananas talking about he was the second coming of [insert popular successful QB here].
Believe it or not, Blake Bortles is indeed more Athletic and mobile
Than Trdy Bridgewater who is a pure Pocket Passer,
Bortles can roll out and actually ran the ball while at UCF much more
Than Bridgewater ever did at Louisville…
Bortles ran more..yes. But he isn’t more athletic. Dude ran a 4.95 at the combine. That’s. Not. Athletic.
But Bridgewater is the more athletic – kid was billed as a dual threat out of high school – ran a bit his first year there BUT he ran a pro-style at Lousiville that didn’t emphasize that part of his game.
His athleticism is HIGHLY underrated b/c he was never asked to use it – but he evades pressure like no toher, kid is lightning quick – with Bortles it’s more using his size to his advantage, but his athleticism is highly overrated.
great points TS. I believe Bortles will be a good qb, but the jury is still out on whether he wasn’t a reach. I believe he was. For some strange reason folks who are so against “running” or mobile qbs, love him. And he was definitely as much a “running” qb as oppose to just mobile. Bridgewater is the qb steal of the draft. Minny got real lucky having him fall that far. the other qb steal I believe is Derek Carr.
Carr is definitely looking more and more like a super steal.
I think he got a bad rep ’cause of his brother, among other things, but he’s looking like he can be a quality starter in this league, and with the way Schaub looks, like he may end up the starter sooner rather than later.
I like him. Lots of potential there.
Watching the game again…. JASON KELCE IS THE BEST LINEMAN ON THE TEAM. My goodness last nights screen and some of his highlight tells get me hyped. There is no better lineman in space to me than Kelce. I’m seriously hyped he domlishes guys pulling and down field blocking.
I know its preseason but my goodness Seattle is loaded and Russell Wilson is getting better and better. If Seattle gets home field again there is no shot for any NFC team. Like I said(before I get killed) I know its preseason but that defense and the addition of Harvin(whose health is always a issue) is loaded. The Eagles are 2 drafts away from reaching that level. It is imperative that M Smith II is a player. We cant have bad drafts if we expect to catch up to Seattle. 2 drafts away to seriously compete with Seattle IMO.
You still think we gonna beat Seattle at home?
I mean…yeah…I will say I think San Fran is ripe for the picking. But Seattle? Until otherwise notified I’m just gonna pencil them in as NFC champs.
lol
Russell Wilson is just scratching the surface and is quickly becoming a complete QB and simply not a game manager,as he was his first 1 &1/2 Seasons… OC Dana Beavall & Coach Carroll have done an excellent job in
Enhancing his skills and mechanics..
With WR’s Harvin, Kearse, GMCliffs boy,
Paul Richardson, a staple of tough physical RB’s and a mean
OL.. Their Offense will only get better and better
Barring any injuries, they are the Team to Beat in the NFL
With the Packers a step behind in the NFC
And then the 3-4 other Teams including Eagles 2-3 Steps behind
“game manager,as he was his first 1 &1/2 Seasons”
lol. You do realize he’s thrown more TDs than Luck on fewer pass attempts.
Has a higher completion percentage – and has thrown fewer INTs.
Luck does have more rushing TDs but Wilson has more yards on the ground as he was third last year behind Kaep and Cam.
I guess Luck is a game manager too.
Wilson is always gonna catch shit ’cause of that defense. But he’s played the game he was asked to play – no more or less. The difference now is he has a (healthy) Percy Harvin to throw to. lol
Not apples to apples TS
QB Luck has to pass 35-40 Times a game and does not have the luxury of
A good “Play Action Pass” that Wilson does since No one honors the Colts running game lie they have to with the Seahawks…
RW can win tossing 20 Passes a game where Luck has to pass 35-40
Times a game for Colts to have a chance… And Defense prepare accordingly.. Look at Lucks WR Corp last year after Wayne & TE Allen went down with season ending injuries, outside of TY Hilton, who else on the Colts Receiving Corp did Defenses have to game plan for..
Luck & RW are the 2 Best Young QB’s in the NFL and heads and shoulders above Cam,Kap, Dalton,Tannehill, Foles & RG3
But I take Andrew Luck any day over RW if I am building a Franchise
It is apples to apples – Wilson is much more efficient with the ball.
More TDs fewer attempts – you can’t really argue with that. And he does it while running more, holding on to the ball longer and being a QB midget and playing in the toughest division in football.
No one faults Aikman for the stacked team he was on. Downgrading Wilson ’cause the team is stacked is a little ridiculous.
Whatever measure you want to look at RW comes out on top. So if he’s a game manager – than the other dude with worse stats is too.
Luck and Cams numbers are almost exactly the same. And please don’t tell me Cam has had a better receiving core or running game. He was there running game since those over paid backs couldn’t stay healthy or find a hole to save their lives.
‘”But I take Andrew Luck any day over RW if I am building a Franchise
Reply”
And this is why you wouldn’t have a super-bowl ring.
good points but, … good qb on a bad team is asked to do more than a good qb on a great team. i think that is the point of ‘its not apples to apples’
I think it was you that pointed out that terry bradshaw was not a brilliant qb or great qb…however he goes down as great because he was on a great team.
Great example Hac
So based on your Logic TS,
Nick Foles Stats last year of 27/2 would mean he’s the best young QB in NFL then.. You can turn stats in any direction you want,
But you have asked yourself, how is the rest of the Team around you,
What are you asked to do, how does Defenses game plan against you, etc,etc….
Put Andrew Luck on Seahawks last year and they still
Win the Super Bowl in all likliehood
Put RW on the 2013 Colts with average Defense/Special Teams, no running game, shaky OL and a depleted WR Corp
and they win 8-9 Games at best..
I stand by my statement that Andrew Luck is the best young
QB in the NFL bar none…
Competition Paulman Competion –
Who did Wilson play –
Who did Foles play –
Now put Luck or Wilson in theis QB system that has Sanchez looking like a world beater and all of a sudden that NO game looks a lot different.
PLUS Luck and Wilson have a worse oline by miles and wr corps than Foles. But hey keep up that logic.
Compare QB stats –
RW wins in EVERY QB related statistical category.
Luck and Cam’s stats are almost identical. One plays the Texans/Jags/Titans twice a year – the other plays Tampa/NO/Atl twice a year.
That’s about the only diff.
Seahawks WR corps was not that much better than the Colts AND the Hawks oline was ranked worse than the colts ranked 27 to the Colts 25 (small diff I know).
But once again – not a single measurable stat where Luck ranks better than Wilson. Not. One.
There’s absolutely nothing to back up that thought other than “that’s what I think.”
I like RW, TS and his Career is off to a great start indeed,
But I like Andrew Luck better, I don’t care what the “Stats” say..
We agree to disagree…
Some people like Coffee, and some don’t…
He threw the ball 400 more times. Seattle had a 300 attempt RB with a 4 yard average.
The Seahawks had almost 2500yds rushing on 500 attempts.
The Colts had 1700yds rushing on 400 attempts.
Analyze that and Russell Wilsons completion actually is low at 63% because he is asked to throw the ball less and completed 3% higher than Luck. Where Wilson excels is that he doesnt make stupid plays has a high IQ and can make plays with his feet. He is comfortable in the pocket and isnt a run first QB.
But again…its not even close statisically analytically or anything else on what one QB is asked to do over another. Luck is by far the better QB.
The mobile QB label most yall are throwing around is why Wilson fell in the draft when he shouldnt have. He was a much better pocket QB in Wisconsin than most gave him credit for.
Again Russell Wilson is a great player and the more they open up that offense they better I believe he will be but shitting on Luck because people want to use the “He got a ring” angle or dont go deep in stats in nonsense.
Russell Wilson is not bringing back down 28. Its not happening thats not his game.
She did make good points. However, if I’m a GM and I have to choose between Wilson and Luck, I’d choose Luck. I’d also have chosen Luck over RGIII(before his injuries). I believe Luck is a once in a lifetime talent who is poised to become the next Aaron Rodgers who I believe is the best qb in the game. But Russell Wilson would not be a bad consolation prize. As for Bradshaw. If the Steelers started hac or brewski then, they would probably have 5 or 6 sbs during that era instead of 4…lol
Where are you guys getting your stats from?
Luck threw the ball 400 MORE TIMES THAN WILSON….LMAO
What friggin planet are they comparable?!? This is not comparable and it takes nothing away from Wilson who is a helluva a QB and out of all the young QBs in the game right now he is solid 2 behind Luck unless Subway Bob can get his act together.
LOL
Yes he has thrown “400 MORE TIMES THAN WILSON”
And. Has. Less. TDs. To Show. For. It.
400 more times and 6 less TDs.
Now Cam and Luck – bout the same – Luck has a couple hundred more passing yards over the first two seasons and 6 more passing TDs – though Cam obliterates him on the rushing TDs and yards.
Seattle also has a QB who is 3rd in QB rushing stats and makes more plays out of the pocket than any QB in the league.
PART of the the reason they have a 2500 yard rushing attack is b/c they have a QB that you have to account for or he will burn you.
Luck has that ability but doesn’t use it nearly as much as he probably should.
No the reason they have a 1200yd running back is because they gave him the 300 times and he averages 4 yards a clip.
The Seahawks use very little read option in there offense and it is used as a change of pace if used than a go to.
They line up. Smash. Line up Smash. Line up Smash.
Andrew Luck average 6 yards a carry and 4 rushing touchdowns last year on 30 fewer carries and Wilson had drumroll please….
1 RUSHING TOUCHDOWN ALL YEAR
Luck has 10 rushing touchdowns a higher rushing average than Wilson…
BUT LETS NOT USE THAT STAT EITHER…
Again Wilson is a very good QB.
Luck is ELITE.
I didn’t say anything about read option.
If Wilson was in a spread type offense he’d be putting up 1000 yard season on the ground.
BUT he is a factor to run. Everyone knows it. Please don’t think that doesn’t help the RB. Come on now.
Like I said…there isn’t a single solitary stat (outside of passing the ball more) that RW doesn’t beat Luck at. He even faces stiffer competition. Has a higher YPA. And as many 4th quarter come back.
Check that playoff record too.
But I know. He’s a better QB b/c you “think” he is.
Really because Seattles offense is why he has a better playoff record.
I mean it has nothing to do with a defense the league literally is changing the rules to stop. lmao
Using your criteria Russell Wilson is better than Tom Brady…..
Now check the stats….and since stats are the only thing that matters…and supposedly the convo changes when stats dont line up…tell me that Russell Wilson is better than Tom Brady.
Notice how I already pointed out that Luck had more rushing TDs.
Now you can attribute that to having a back who can get it done.
Also notice I kept it to passing stats since folk on here say that’s the only thing that matters when talking QBS.
Luck is a mobile QB. I don’t have a mobile QB argument. I was pointing out that the idea that RW was simply a game manager was silly and he had more PASSING TDs than the sainted Luck, in fewer attempts.
I’m comparing two young QBs first two years in the league.
That’s apples to apples.
Comparing Tom Brady to anyone but his contemporaries is apples to oranges.
Now you want to compare Brady to Manning – we can have that convo and I’d say Manning is the better QB.
Cam obliterates Lucks rushing numbers and pretty much equals him in passing numbers – guess that makes him elite too.
Oh wait….
Oh and winning is a team stat – but if you want to use that as a measuring stick for Luck’s eliteness I’d suggest you check RW’s as well as the competition he played against.
Again Russell Wilson is a bad man.
Andrew Luck is just a monster(and yes he looks like a werewolf)
And passing stats arent the only thing that matters because Nick Foles would be the best Qb in the game. Its nonsensical any other way.
Russell Wilson and Luck IMO are the only two athletic/mobile QBs that can make plays from the pocket with out aid of the read option.
Cam Newton is a Madden QB. The Frankenstein Vick.
Your feet and mobility have nothing to do with the back shoulder pass or corner fade etc those are the plays the best QBs can make.
Obliterates? 4Tds to 6? on 50+ more attempts? both with 5 yard averages? Thats obliterating?
We agree to disagree.
Good points though.
Luck is better though lol.
Bridgewater vs Bortles is still up for debate.
Check those first two years stats (which is what I’ve been looking at)
– 22 Tds to 9
Cam had less rushing TDs last year b/c Tolbert and others were getting those goal line calls.
“Cam Newton is a Madden QB”
Yeah.
That’s why all his stats are similar to or better than Luck’s.
However we can table this argument and get back to arguing Bortles vs. Bridgewater.
lol.
Don’t let those pesky facts get in the way TS, Wilson is a better QB point blank period. I keep trying to get paulman to think outside the box and stop regurgitating the tired old cliches about particular QB’s. But hey when you listen to the same old tired reasons some QB’s are better then others for 20-30 years I guess it’s easy to get brainwashed.
lol
What got me last year when you looked at the playoff picture for the NFC.
All those “particular QBs” were on full display. Though the they were only there of course b/c their defenses were good. lol
Luck is a better QB than RW plain and simple. Stop with the starts nonsense.
Russell Wilson is not doing back 30* a game and beating you. He’s a good QB and I like his game but what Luck is asked to do in his offense compared what RW is asked to do is night day.
Seattle is a run heavy team based on heavy play action and bootlegs…Colts have no running game let both Yes last year terrible line play and were down to 1 wr.
Stop the nonsense.
You stop the nonsense.
Once again not a measurable stat you can use to back that up.
Passer Rating
Completion Percentage
QBR
INTS
TDs
Nada. Nothing. Zip Zilch.
Luck threw for far more yards and still produced less touchdowns. AND he plays in a cupcake division with a better oline.
You stop.
What part of 2500 yards rushing on 500 attempts with a 300 attempt RB with a 4 yard carry at 1200yds did you miss. Or that doesnt mean anything.
Stop it. Dont try and post a number and not bring in the big picture.
Anyone who knows anything about football knows how important that stat is to QB play and how it changes THE ENTIRE SCHEME OF OFFENSE YOU PLAY.
A 63% passer? On 400 fewer attempts?
Lol stop the nonsense.
Yall are just supporting Wilson because fools on here go after “mobile qbs” because bluntly thats code for black dudes cant play QB.
Yeah I said it lmao
Now back to real football, I just stepped off the field with the youngns coaching. No way you are going to tell me a QB that is given the ball to make all the plays out of an offense is less than a QB that is aided by an awesome running game that plays time of posession and has a defense that helps them protects leads.
What part of 3rd most rushing yards of any QB in the league do you miss?
Having a mobile QB opens things up for your running back. Come on now. Stop playing dense. I expect better from you.
Its the simple fact that Luck is just as good an athlete than Wilson and runs just as well and their sorry ass run game isnt aided by it. Lol
I mean do you really think Marshawn Lynch and Trent Richardson are on the same planet in talent comparing last year?
Throw in a probowler in Unger another with Pro Bowl talent in Okung and compare that to the Indy line….that started drumroll please….
Former backup philly lineman…Mike McGlynn.
Izell you just threw a bunch of variables in there, so because of style of play Luck is better? Or because he’s asked to do more? I’m not a fan of Luck but you guys see something I don’t, he’s no better then Cutler, Rivers and Romo in my book.
Thats not a variable thats just a plain fact lmao. 400 more times passing. 22-10.
Stop that nonsense.
400 more passing – 6 less TDs.
You notice how the convo changes when the stats don’t match up to reality.
Now it’s he has a really good running back.
He has to pass more (than he should have more TDs shouldn’t he)
He’s a generational talent (prove it with your play)
Oh he replaced Peyton Manning and hasn’t disappointed (okay)
Luck is a good QB – over-hyped – but very, very good. His stats (with the exception of the win loss column) are almost identical to Newtons who’s first two years were on a worse team than Luck’s.
Yet one is the second coming of Manning and the other is a running QB who sucks at the position.
Lol love your reality is your hyping up for your mobile QB argument and it holds no water.
And the most important stat you just down played…hes 22-10. Nothing more needs to be said.
Without him they went 1-15 the year before.
Hes a pure pocket QB who is just as athletic as Wilson.
You just posted Wilsons legs as his attribute and as part of the reason for a good running back…when Luck has double the rushing touchdowns and average and throws 400x more a year.
You cant be serious with that.
Throws 400 more x a year…and has less TDs to show for it.
“Without him they went 1-15 the year before. ”
lol. They sucked for Luck dude. Everyone knows it. Colts have been a perennial playoff team except for the one year they were slated to replace Peyton Manning.
And the team Luck is on is very diff from the 1-15 team. There wasn’t a whole lot of carry over.
Once again. More pass attempts. Less passing TDs.
Bigs you’re my man, but that kid Luck can play. I’d take him over the three you mention. But hey I also think Romo is the best qb in our division. And I hate the cowboys. But where I agree with TS is that RW is NOT a game manager. No one was calling Troy Aikman a game manager all those years with one the league’s best back in Emmitt, THE BEST OLINE, one of the best fullbacks, TE and wideout core and a stout and athletic D. NO ONE CALLED HIM A GAME MANAGER THEN. Just like no one called Brady a game manager with those dominant defenses and his modest put efficient qb play WHEN THEY WERE WINNING SBs. But as you stated; too many years on programming in regards to what certain positions should look like and play like clouds folks objectivity.
Brewski, I’ve watched Luck since he was at Stanford and for some reason I can’t go all on in him, what I do like is the 4th quarter is winning time for him, and that you cannot teach. I want to see some of that in Foles this year.
“But hey I also think Romo is the best qb in our division”
Sigh. There is truth to that. However I think Romo gets a lot passes that “other” QBs do not. I also think the choke label is a narrative that won’t die, but lacks a lot of validity in reality.
TS the worst thing that happened to Romo and the Cowboys (but the best thing for our franchise) was Parcells leaving. I’m convinced he had laid the foundation for a formidable team on both sides of the ball. I’m convinced he would have won a sb if dumb dumb (jerry jones) hadn’t forced him out. Romo has tremendous ability, but needed a firm hand to reign him in. That defense also would have gotten better.
Romo isn’t the only reason why Dallas lost. Any objective eye can see he has the passing ability and mobility to be successful. I still hate his team though…lol
I have to agree with paulman on this subject. I love Russell Willson as a qb but I’d take Luck over him anyday. Luck has no run game, no oline, and not nearly as good defense as seattle. Luck pretty much knows he has to win the game for his team every game as for Wilson he can have a bad game and still know his defense can win it. It’s way more pressure on luck, which makes it harder on him mentally to win the games. It’s not Wilson’s fault their defense is dominant but if we put Wilson in indy he would be having the same problems accept I don’t see him winning those games that Luck does
WIP has reported that Eagles cuts have started as Alejandro Villanueva and Cary “murder leg” Spear were seen walking away from the Nova Care center with all of their belongings in a trash bag. No surprises here. Geoff Mosher reports that WR BJ Cunningham will also be among the first wave of cuts.
Dam paulman your boy BJ just got cut didn’t see that coming
I thought he looked pretty good and natural out there at WR
I don’t think he plays any Special Teams though that will hurt any young WR
Trying to make the 53 Man Roster so Receivers like him
Him, Will Murphy, Boone, Pratt have little chance of making it
I think BJ has more Upside than Maehl, Johnson, Benn,Momah
As a WR though… Someone will scoop him up..
Huh marsh and rock still not cut hurry up
Marsh & Roc will last to final Cutdowns next week as Eagles will
Play them a lot in Final Preseason game since there are not a lot of CB’s
In Camp and Watkins and Cary Williams are still dinged a bit
Expect some DL,OL & WR’s to go in these first round of Cuts
Since they have lots of them in Camp
You have proved your point TS. ( You really have a good point) but I guess it really is that we think Luck is better RW.
And you know what I’m fine with that.
Just don’t try to sell me on that based on any objective measure which is what Paulman was doing.
Folk like who they like at the end of the day.
LIke you liking Vick. LOL just playing with you
Had to get that in before your arch nemesis Vinnie could bash you for no reason
Ha..
1 side note about Andrew Luck that really stands out to me, is the fact that he replaced a Living Legend in Indy Following Peyton Manning
Who was a “God” in Indy… I would like to see how any young Rookie QB would Handle the Pressure as well as Luck has given the same situation.. Truly impressive in my book…
I am not dissing RW in Seattle by any means,
But talk about little pressure and expectations or tradition in Seattle 3 years ago versus replacing Peyton Manning in Indy were 2 completely different environments to start your NFL Career in, plus the fact that
Luck was the #1 Overall Pick of the Draft while RW was under the radar as a 3rd Rounder to a Team with no QB in place…
I call BS if you can play you can play, the living legend has won one Super Bowl more than me. Under the radar or not Russell Wilson got it done stop trying to minimize what he’s doing. By the way in the NFL there is no such thing as under the radar. Hell Indy won what 1 game the year before Luck so what pressure was he under?
By the way I like Foles better than Wilson and I like Luck’s 4th quarter ability. It’s just my opinion. I could be wrong, I didn’t think Foles would be a successful NFL starter but I called that one wrong.
Actually RW has the same number of 4th comebacks as Luck – Luck has won maybe 1 or 2 more of those but that was simply b/c the Colts were the lass ones standing with the ball.
At most that’s a draw.
RW Defense in Seattle is the Best Defense the NFL has seen in Years allowing Seattles offense many more comeback opportunities and with their strong running attack, RW can afford to be patient and pick his spots (which he does beautifully im aight add) Seahawks can still run Play Action late in games where Luck
Has no play action bites sine they can’t run the ball
The entire Colts Offense is determined by the success of Luck
Since there Defense and Special Teams is not going to win games for them…which is why is say no “apples to apples”
For the Teams Supported Cast are worlds apart as is their Offensive a Philosophies, bottom line both QB’s have gad great starts to their Careers with RW a SB Win in a tougher Conference
This season with Cokts at Full Strength at WR & TE should show an improvement in Lucks pkay even more as I expect RW’s game to improve with healthy Percy Harvin and a more open Playbook
For Seattle… Should be a strong year for both as these guys become the new face of the NFL
One corner who I would trade for right now that no one is talking about is J lane from seattle. He would be our best corner if we traded for him. Man carroll really can pick up those DBS
Ok Paulman who do you think we keep at WR? I’m going J mac, cooper, Huff (although u say he might be on IR), Matthews, Benn, and B SMith
I think it will be Maclin,Cooper, Matthews,
Benn & Maehl with Huff on short-term IR meaning he’s out for the first
6 Weeks or so then dump Benn or Maehl once Huff Returns.
If Huff goes on the Season-ending IR List,
Then maybe they keep Danarus Johnson
ARE U SERIOUS JEFF MAEHL HELL NO I THINK BIG POINTED OUT MAEHL IS A DIME A DOZEN. I’D KEEP DANARUS OVER MAHEL OR WE COULD JUST PICK UP A ROSTER CUT FROM SOMEONE ELSE.
If it was up to me Zilents, I would only Keep Maclin,Cooper, Matthews
And Huff add then add 2 other WR’s from the Waiver Wire
I am not a believer in Momah,Benn,Brad Smith,Maehl or Danarus Johnson
to be honest with you…
I would Teams like Packers,Colts,Broncos, Rams & Redskins WR’s who get cut as these Teams have some young Receivers who will hit the waiver list
Bears,Bengals, Lions & Patriots have some younger Receivers also.
Chip Kelly really likes Maehl for some reason is the only reason why I had him listed…
Cough cough Oregon Duck maybe? No wait he blocks well no maybe he’s a better special teams player. LMAO
I would keep 4 WR’s from the Current Roster only (Maclin,Cooper,Matthews & Huff) and then Obtain another WR from the Waiver List.. Now is Huff is Hurt and going to be out for the Season, than I obtain 2 other WR’s from the Waiver Wire
Yes I completely agree I like that deonte Thompson from ravens like another Ted Finn jr
Here is my running backs we keep paulman: McCoy, sporles, Polk but then I put him on the pup list, tucker and Josey and when Polk comes back release tucker
The set of cuts no surprises maybe BJ he played pretty good as a receiver but not good on special teams. We probally put A. Villanueva on practice squad