• December 1, 2022

Does The Eagles’ Chip Kelly Have The Formula For A Super Bowl Title?

NickFoles&ChipKelly1Chip Kelly has proven that he is a brilliant NFL offensive game planner and play caller, but we still don’t know if has the formula for making the Eagles a Super Bowl championship team.

Looking back at Kelly’s decision to get rid of Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson because Jackson didn’t buy into his “Team-first Culture”, he’s probably going to be proven right.  That didn’t help Kelly this past season, but he’s confident that it will help him in the future as he builds a “Team-first Culture” at the Nova Care Complex.  I think in the long run he will be right.

It’s been proven to be a good formula for making your team a perennial playoff team.  I think missing the speed of Jackson hurt the team this past year, but I think Kelly felt that getting rid of a selfish, “Me-first” player will help the Eagles organization in the future.  Still, they have to replace his talent.  Speedy rookie Josh Huff wasn’t able to replace Jackson as a deep threat this past year and it hurt the Eagles offense.

According to Kelly, a “Team-first Culture” is the key to winning consistently when it comes to NFL football.  Meaning the key to building a winning NFL team is developing a dominant “team-first mindset” amongst your entire organization and making sure everybody gets in line with it.  I think he’s right.  Look at the winning programs around the NFL and you will see the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens and now the Seahawks.  They all have a “Team-first culture” around the organization.

You can see that “Team-first Culture” is the mindset of Kelly’s buddy Bill Belichick. up in New England.  Belichick has used the “Team-first Culture” to be a consistent playoff team for more than a decade because they have a very, disciplined and intelligent team that doesn’t beat itself.  That “Team-first Culture” helps you win during the regular season, especially when you’re in the worst division in football.  I still believe Belichick is overrated because he’s been able to beat up on the Bills, Jets and Dolphins for all this time.  Those teams have been perennial basement dwellers for decades.

I do agree that “Team-first Culture”  will likely make you a winner in the regular season, but it won’t necessarily make you a champion.  We’ve seen that in recent Eagles history.  You need something else to be a Super Bowl Champion.

Andy Reid had a winning “Team-first Culture”  in Philadelphia for nearly a decade and it made the Eagles consistent winners.  They also benefitted from playing against bad Cowboys, Redskins and Giants teams during that stretch. Still, those Andy Reid teams weren’t able to take their game to another level during the playoff games, so they never won a championship.

Quarterback Donovan McNabb didn’t take his game to another level in those big games and the Eagles defense didn’t play well in those big games, either.  They let the Brad Johnson-led Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Carolina Panthers beat them here in Philadelphia at Veterans Stadium with the Super Bowl in sight.

That Buccaneers team had a great defense led by Hall of Famers Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks and possible future Hall of Famer John Lynch, but they weren’t a historically great defense.  They are the one Super Bowl Champion that didn’t have Franchise quarterback or historically great defense.

Super Bowl title teams usually have a Franchise quarterback like, Tom Brady, who is a great decision-maker, as well as a very accurate passer, who takes his game to another level during big games.  They also have a good defense that is playing well.  “Team-first Culture” is great and will help you get there, but to win a Super Bowl you need that Franchise quarterback and defense taking their game to another level.  As good as Brady has been, he hasn’t be able to win another title for about a decade because they haven’t had the quality defense.

I do agree that the Eagles made a mistake a few years ago when they went out and signed the “Dream Team of Free Agents”; Nmandi Asomugha, Dominique Cromartie, Vince Young and the rest of that crew because many of those guys came from losing teams.  They ruined the “Team first Culture”, which Reid had developed around here.  If you don’t beat yourself in the NFL, you have a good chance of making the playoffs.  Discipline wins.  Mistakes get you beat in the NFL and we saw that this year by the Eagles.

You have to be careful about which players you pay the big money to on your football team because they can become role models for the rest of the team.  Kelly thought this was the case with Jackson, but the Eagles have so many character guys that Jackson wasn’t a leader on the team, but he was a producer.  You don’t need everybody on the team to buy into the system perfectly.  I believe if Jackson were on the team this past year, they would have been in the playoffs, but they weren’t going to win a Championship.  Maybe getting rid of Jackson early will help the Eagles build that “Team-first Culture” sooner.

Still remember, that the “Team-first Culture” will only help you get to the playoffs.  It doesn’t have a lot to do with separating you from those other teams once you get to the playoffs.

A Super Bowl championship NFL team almost always has the following two ingredients.  1. They have a Franchise quarterback, who is a great decision-maker, very accurate passer and a clutch performer.  2. They have a very good defense that’s playing well at the time.

The Patriots won their championships because they had a very good defense, which was playing well and they had Franchise quarterback ,Tom Brady, who is a brilliant decision-maker, as well as a very accurate passer and he’s a clutch performer.  If you have that type of quarterback and that type of defense you have what it takes to be a Super Bowl Champion.

Last year Seattle didn’t have the Franchise quarterback in Russell Wilson, but their defense was so dominant that it carried them to the championship.  They might be able to do it again.   Baltimore won a Super Bowl title with the “Dominant defense formula” and Trent Dilfer was their quarterback.   History has shown us that you can have a defense that is so dominant, that it doesn’t matter whether you have the Franchise quarterback.

We haven’t seen a Franchise quarterback win a title without a good defense.  History has show us that you must have a good defense that is playing well at the time, if you want to win a title.

Future Hall of Famer Peyton Manning has only won one Super Bowl because throughout his career, he has played his best football during the regular season, but in the clutch with everything on the line, he does’t take his game to another level.  Borderline Franchise quarterbacks like Joe Flacco and Eli Manning have been able to take their game to another level  in the playoffs and Super Bowls.  This is unusual and not the norm.  Normally, if a quarterback hasn’t shown greatness in the regular season, he doesn’t show it in the playoffs and Super Bowl.

Peyton Manning is one of kind.  He’s a Franchise quarterback during the regular season, but average in the post season.  Incidentally, the Colt defense had a lot to do with them winning that Super Bowl because Manning played okay in that Super Bowl and shouldn’t have been MVP.

In the playoffs, Flacco and Eli have been very good decision-makers with the football.  They’ve thrown the ball very accurately and they have taken their game to a much higher level during the big games.  Their situations have been somewhat unusual because in the regular season, they haven’t consistently played the quarterback position on that level.

We’ve seen Franchise quarterbacks like Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger play at a great level at the quarterback position and lead their teams to victory, but they also had good defenses that played well.

In the 1980’s, Bill Walsh’s West Coast Offense scheme orchestrated by Joe Montana led the Niners to 4 Super Bowl titles.  Montana took his game to another level in the playoffs, but the Niners also always had good defenses led by Ronnie Lott.  There’s no doubt that 49ers had a “Team-first Culture”, which helped them win consistently.

It’s been a while since we’ve seen a team, which is led by their offense, win with a dominant running game.  The Denver Broncos of 1998 and 1999 are the last team to come into the Super Bowl and pound the other team into submission with a running game.  Terrell Davis led the way for Denver despite John Elway being the Broncos quarterback.  The Redskins did that three times but that was years ago in the 80’s and early 90’s.  In the 1970’s the Steelers and the Dolphins each ran their way to Super Bowl titles.

Nowadays, the passing game is the key to winning a Super Bowl title, so the play of the quarterback is more important than it was in the past.  When you have third and five-plus, you can’t run the ball consistently and get the first down against a good NFL defense.  You must have a quarterback, who can make good decisions with the football and throw the ball accurately.  He can’t turn the ball over if you want to win.

As for Chip Kelly and the Eagles, he may be able to put together enough talent along with the “Team-first culture” that will get the Eagles in the playoffs, but that will not win the Eagles a championship.  The key to Eagles title hopes will rest in the hands of his quarterback, who will likely be Nick Foles.

Is Nick Foles a Franchise quarterback?  Can he consistently play at the level he played at during the 2013 season?  Is he like Eli Manning and Joe Flacco, who can play like a Franchise quarterback in the playoffs and Super Bowl despite not playing like that during the regular season?

Chances are he won’t be able to do that, but we still don’t know.  Nearly all of the Super Bowl Championship quarterbacks are Franchise quarterbacks.  Look at the history.  The only way you win a title without a Franchise quarterback is when you have a historic defense like the 1985 Bears, 2000 Ravens, or 2013 Seahawks.  Notice that those defenses come around about every 14 or 15 years.  The Eagles defense is no where near being in the league of those defenses.

Can the Eagles put together a defense that will play well in the post-season?   You must be able to keep an opponent”s running game under control.  The Eagles defense must have a good pass rush and a good secondary.  They would have had no chance trying to stop the passing games of the Packers and Cowboys in this year’s playoffs.

So right now, we know that they don’t have the historically dominant defense for a championship team.  We can only hope that Foles is a Franchise quarterback.

Bottomline I don’t see a Super Bowl title in the near future, unless……

GCOBB

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Stevo
Stevo
January 16, 2015 1:28 pm

I believe in the team first mentality. No doubt about it. That said…. you still need guys that can play. You list the Andy Reid Eagles…. I am 100% in agreement with you… however… T.O. elevated that team before helping to destroy it. Before anyone nit picks what I am saying…. let me be clear….

1> I believe Chip can take us to the promise land with his O.
2> I believe depth on the OL and replacing Herm will help.
3> I believe Mathews will be a star.
4> I believe they need to get Huff more involved or find another speedster.
5> I believe getting rid of Jackson was fine. I support the coach.
6> I believe they missed his speed outside though Jmaks #’s were better.
7> I believe they get new starting CB’s or I may have to take a break.
8> I believe Foles is good enough to start next year.
9> If they go and get another starting QB I will trust what Chip is doing.
10> I believe this draft will be a good one.

greenfan
greenfan
January 16, 2015 1:40 pm

Well thought out article Gary. Looking at the history of SB winners should be a good roadmap for how you want to build your team.

The one thing that stands out most to me is that SB winners have strong or great defenses. That will be the key for how far this, or any, team will go. The team needs to get stronger on the backend of the defense and add more depth at linebacker. The QB position may be the “sexy topic” to talk about during the offseason, and will certainly lead to hundreds of posts on this crazy site, but until this defense can move forward and become consistent and hopefully “feared” in the league, we will continue to knock on the door but never going through.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 1:44 pm

First of all nobody can answer that question honestly until after this draft and free agency period, and Second that team culture must only apply to the players because the front office is full of selfish all about me people starting with Howie and including Chip. So hopefully the dysfunction is gone and maybe just maybe we can see some of this culture shine through.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 1:54 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

This offseason will be key to everything going forward, Izell I hope for all of our sakes the Bradley Fletcher story was bogus.

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
January 16, 2015 2:12 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Bradley Fletcher…..Go back and check all my posts before the year…..he and Cary Williams were the number 1 reason I didnt get excited about this team before the year or considered them a legit contender.

We still have a ways to go in certain aspects.

chuckeagle
chuckeagle
January 16, 2015 2:05 pm

From what I’ve seen so far, Foles is not a superstar but he could be in the top half or even top third of QBs. Splitting the difference between is 2013 and 2014 seasons, that’s what I see. I agree with G that they’d probably need a premium defense without a superstar QB. That’s what makes the situation tough, trying to upgrade from a top 10-15 guy all of the way up to a top 5 QB. It seems like upgrading the defense would give a more solid chance.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 16, 2015 2:10 pm

Joe Flacco’s first playoff game
9 of 23 for 135 yrds 0td 0 int

Eli Mannings first playoff game
10 of 18 (55%) 113 yrds 0 tds 3 int

Ben Roethless 1st playoff game
17 of 31 181 1td 2 ints

Nick Foles first playoff game
23 of 33 for 198 2td 0 int

R-E-L-A-X

P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E

Build the defense.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 3:07 pm

Build the defense

Trade Nick Foles to help that building process

Nick Foles is no Joe Flacco

Nick Foles is no Eli Manning

Nick Foles is no big Ben
The Eagles dont believe in Nick Foles…if they did they would offer him a contract extension like they do all their other players.

How does that ‘team chemistry’ stuff work when you have your QB the supposed leader of the team twisting in the wind as a lame-duck QB?

Foles has been a perfect ‘team-culture’ guy…

R-E-L-A-X Foles…its not that bad…even though you’ve been hurt every year….you don’t need much security….and if you get hurt again this year you can kiss that big money contract with the huge signing bonus goodbye…

But be P-A-T-I-E-N-C-E Nick..you’ll get a another contract as a back-up somewhere…

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 3:09 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Right and your boy sanchez will be the qb? And taj Boyd his back up

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 3:28 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

The Sanchez/Foles combo dont work…we need a QB…

Foles had a shot

Sanchez had a shot

They both blew it

They both suck

Ya boy Foles sucks just as bad as Sanchez…

If he didn’t the Eagles would lock him in to a long term contract like they attempt to do with all of the players they believe in…

I know I’m the bearer of bad news for you haveablunt…

Your all smoked out…but dont worry if Chip can get a QB that can run his system we may win

If not we will be another 5-6 years with no SuperBowl ring

Canttakeitanymore
Canttakeitanymore
January 16, 2015 2:16 pm

Very nice article G and I agree with most. People always try and set appart that one thing that every team needs to win a Superbowl. The bottom line is that there is not one way to win. In my opinion you need ONE of the following three to win (based on past winners):

1. All-Pro QB
2. Top 3 defense
3. Average QB, Average Defense but one of the two gets hot at the right time.

All past winners fit into one of those three categories. Given our current roster and draft position I think we have no choice but to try and build for the dominate defense, take shots in the 3rds of future drafts to find an All-Pro QB and just hope that Foles can get hot in the post-season a-la Flacco and Eli Manning.

We are too good to risk it all for the chance that Mariota can become an All-Pro. The draft is a crap shoot especially when it comes to QBs. Good teams only take a risk on 1st round QBs when someone slips (i.e. Aaron Rodgers). Good teams do NOT trade assets for the chance at finding a stud QB. It is just bad business and that is why teams do not do it.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 2:17 pm

Well I’ve said it on here before I think most if not all coaches in the nfl ‘can’ win the SB… It comes down to the right set of circumstances. Of course some coaches are a little better at cultivating those circumstances.
Pete Carroll left the nfl because he couldn’t win, Belichek was terrible, two time winner Coughlin has had several awful seasons even though he is the SAME exact coach during a SB year and a 4-12 year.
So the short answer is of course he could win it.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 3:19 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

“Well I’ve said it on here before I think most if not all coaches in the nfl ‘can’ win the SB”

Classic haveablunt incoherent babble…and you have said that dumb crap more than once…

They can make an idiot like you the coach and with the ‘right circumstances’ you can win…but a few coaches would be better at ‘cultivating’ those ‘circumstances

You have no idea of what any of that means…its just pure incoherence

haveablunt, rest up son…rest up

When you try to think its too exhausting for you…so fall back son.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 3:31 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Sorry at you haven’t mastered reading yet…
‘Cultivating those circumstances’ I will try to water it down…it takes a lot of luck to be champion (popovich has said this many times) but a top coach has the ability to give himself a better chance of catching some good luck

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 2:19 pm

Chip ‘team-first’ stuff didnt win any championships in college…this stuff is sooooo overrated..I’m sorry G…I dont buy it…there have been winning teams in football that didn’t have any emphasis on ‘team-first’ stuff…the emphasis has been on ‘talent-first’…
I dont care if a guy is a selfish, me first guy…the Owners of the teams are selfish ‘me’ first guys.
I’ll bet my right arm that Nick Foles was not at all bothered by selfish, diva ass DJax….especially when he saw how DJax could help put some cash in his pockets!
The question is do we have players that can elevate their game in crucial situations-G makes a very good point there…
Eli Manning becomes clutch in playoff situations…his famous and overrated brother chokes up.
We need a ‘talent-first’ culture…’team-first’ is irrelevant…true there is no “I” in team but there sure is a “I” in WIN!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 2:21 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Typical hot air… Let me guess you played AAU basketball ….or better yet never played on any team

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
January 16, 2015 2:32 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Very telling year and offseason. March to June is going to put the stamp on the Kelly regime in year 3 and with him in total control.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 16, 2015 3:36 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Chip ‘team-first’ stuff didnt win any championships in college…this stuff is sooooo overrated..I’m sorry G…

I don’t think you understand the concept of ‘team-first’…. Kelly is looking for players who can ignore their own goals for those of the team. He wants players who will add to the team chemistry. That doesn’t mean they can’t be talented.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 3:44 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

Thank you irish

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 4:31 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

I understand it perfectly…Irish…its you and others who dont understand that this stuff is overrated especially in the NFL!

Good Coaching in the NFL is managing a bunch of ‘me’ players and convincing them to buy into team concepts because it will lead to winning. The bottom line in the NFL is winning.

Winning is what builds team chemistry and that is done with talent. Good coaching manages that talent, gets the best out of that talent to help the team win.

Lawrence Taylor was a cocaine addict, a selfish player who often went away from the play and assignment that the coaches drew up to do his own thing.

The Giants won championships with that ‘me’ guy who was arguably the greatest defensive player in NFL history

Good coaching ignored that he was often high and drunk at practices and got his ass on the field to play!

Bill Parcells is championship level coach because he didn’t let championship level talent walk under any pretentious notions about ‘team culture’

A lot of that ‘culture’ stuff with the Eagles is bull…DJax is a problem for the team ‘culture’ but racist Riley Cooper is not?

If Cooper’s racist ass produced at a high level-I would buy Chip’s ‘team chemistry’ crap…but here you have a guy who makes racist statements, makes comments about his teammates contracts, a guy who the QB had to chew out…but he’s got a sweet contract deal while Foles the guy who threw him the ball is twisting in the wind.

He is the cause of several Foles/Sanchez interceptions where he doesnt fight for the ball to break up the interception. And when he was asked about it…he throws his QB under the bus- “I didnt throw the ball’

“Team Chemistry’ my ass…overrated BS

Get Players who have talent and can play…and good coaching will get the best out of that talent instead of making excuses and moaning that the player is ‘selfish’ and dont care about the team…BS!

I wonder how the Players in the locker room see Riley and what that does for ‘team chemistry’. How was team chemistry built in giving him a new contract?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 4:34 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

You continue to show how stupid you are with every post

Stevo
Stevo
January 16, 2015 4:55 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

i would agree that breeze is just a bit crazy here…. somehow though… one thing I did seem to gleam from here is that winning seems to fix most problems. I would strongly agree with that.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 5:09 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

So what was stupid about that post? I mean if you can dispute it show us the stupidity. G talked about the hoodie and his culture take a minute and look at the blockheads he’s taken and coached in his system. Corey Dillon, Rodney cheap shot Harrison, Randy Moss and Lagarett Blount to name a few. He worked with Parcells so it doesn’t surprise me that he understands talent vs culture.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 5:19 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

As a whole team firsts guys win…you want to point to exceptions that is fine. There seems to be this attitude amongst a certain ilk that kind of supports as hole behavior, low expectations of professionalism etc.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 5:20 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

What year did randy moss win his SB?

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 5:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

what year did Lawrence Taylor win his SB?…

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 5:42 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Didn’t win but he was apart of that program and was on the 19-0 team but hey I guess he was a failure. Totally missing the point I see.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 7:29 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Low expectations for human and professional behavior , I believe in standards . People are not perfect but as a professional should become mature and become better individuals. I guess that’s just me

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 7:48 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

You guess how players are reacting to cooper but you don’t know shit. We know based on action how the coaching staff felt about mesean, we know his ex coach did not go in for him and we know that there were no teams interested in his skill set (love that term ) except off season champ snyder

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 17, 2015 8:56 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

No you don’t understand koolbreez – You tell me about Lawrence Taylor as if he is the same as DJax. You don’t understand that Taylor would run through fire to WIN.

DJax is the exact opposite of LT…. DJax could give a shit less if the team wins, as long as he gets HIS. DJax quit when things got tough. DJax quit when he didn’t like what he was getting paid. DJax quit when the ball was in another players hands.

LeSean McCoy is also a dickhead punk who most people wouldn’t let their daughter around, but he stays on the team because he cares about winning.

Peters has his problems, but he cares about winning.

Lane Johnson has his problems, but he cares about winning.

There’s lots of guys with problems, but caring about winning is not an option.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2015 9:38 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

Irish you know this how? Did Djax show Kelly he didn’t want to win in the one year he coached him? How can you make that assumption about anyone having never met them? So now Shady’s people are saying he absolutely won’t take a pay cut. Does that mean he gets pushed into the selfish me first category who won’t do what it takes to help the team win because restructuring his contract will definitely help the on the field product.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 17, 2015 3:37 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Irish you know this how?

I know because I watched Jackson quit on the team when they wouldn’t give him more money. I know because I’ve watched Jackson run two yards down-field, stop and put his hands on his hips when another player had the ball. I know because I’ve seen him stand and shake his head instead of chasing a defensive back who just picked off a pass.

Chip Kelly knows better than anybody…. when half the team was still crying over the playoff loss to the Saints, Jackson was telling reporters that he outperformed his current contract and feels he’s due for a bigger one.

Those are not the actions of a guy who cares about winning.

As for McCoy, I guess the Eaqles will have to make a business decision. It happens – Remember what Bill Belichick said when he cut Lawyer Milloy for not restructuring his contract – “This is a player and person I have immense respect for, and he meant a lot to this team and organization,” Patriots coach Bill Belichick said. “Unfortunately he’s a casualty of the system.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 19, 2015 1:05 pm
Reply to  IrishEagle

I’ve seen Riley Cooper do the same, Jackson didn’t quit on Kelly but bottom line he ain’t here, throw Djax, Foles and Mariota in a damn no posting zone sick of this shit all day every damn day.

paulman
paulman
January 16, 2015 2:41 pm

I am still not Sold on Chip Kelly’s System will bring any Championships

1) Kelly focuses too much on a “Horizontal Attack”

2) Championship Teams have to have Big Play Capability which means a
Vertical Threat.. Since Kelly Cut D-Jax, which I was fine with, but he failed to replace that Speed, that Skill on the Outside, therefore they have no Deep Threat.. (J Huff is not a true Receiver and lacks fundamental Receiving Skills, he is used to the Horizontal Routes, Screens, Bubble Routes,End Arounds,etc,etc that they did alot of up in Oregon)

3) Good Red-Zone Defenses which comes down to good Secondary and a Good Pass Rush… You can win with Mediocre to Good LB’s but the D/Line has to be Balling and the Secondary have to be strong, opportunistic and make stops on 3rd Down and in Red-Zone

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 2:49 pm
Reply to  paulman

Paul his system is not the same as what Oregon runs. Maclin was sixth and Matthews 16th in the league for 20 yard plays. He does do a lot of horizontal but they get their share of plays down field and those stats include 8 games with a qb that couldn’t throw the ball 20 yards

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 16, 2015 2:57 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Still have trouble in the RZ…like Oregon. He needs to figure that problem out. I do not think his teams are built to be dominant in RZ…Physical teams are successful in there…not so much with the finesse style of play. He just needs to run Polk down there.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 3:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Irrelevant…

The most irrelevant stats are consistently posted here

Maclin being sixth in the league for 20 yard plays dont impact how defensive coordinators defend the Eagles horizontal attack.

DJax blazing speed and amazing ability to catch the ball made the Eagles vertical attack deadly and feared which then opened up the horizontal attack…made it more effective…made for easy throws for Foles

Getting rid of DJax was an extremely dumb move…and Foles paid the heavy price for it.

With Djax amazing talent masking Foles weaknesses…Foles could have gotten a new contract this year with his ‘team first attitude’, but that same ‘attitude’ gets Foles nothing but a pat on the back and talk about how good of guy he is…but no contract offers.

Actions speak much louder than words…offered Maclin a contract coming off of a whole year of injury to try to keep him with the team…Maclin is valuable to the Eagles

Foles has been offered what? The need to be ‘evaluated’ by the head coach…and no contract offer.

Tells me all I need to know…I’m not the only one who dont think much of Nick Foles….

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 3:43 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Who is DJAX? Did he play when Harold Carmichael played?
Why would Foles be offered anything? He is under contract

Stevo
Stevo
January 16, 2015 4:10 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Breeze.. They can’t offer him anything until he enters his final year of his rookie contract. That just happened. So… If he enters the season without a deal… Then… And only then, does it tell us what they are thinking.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 4:13 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Steve thanks but hot air hates facts. I believe they will sign him sometime between game 4-7 of this year…

Stevo
Stevo
January 16, 2015 4:51 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

We shall see…. im not sure its in the best interest of anyone for him to hit the field without a deal. Think about it….

If they offer him a deal and he doesnt take one…. the eagles better damn well be looking for his replacement THIS year in both FA and draft. Think about it…. if he goes the entire year without a deal… they would have to let him walk or tag him.

If they DONT offer him a deal… what does that say to him? Would you step on the field without at least something to cover you the next year?

This is just 1 more reason I think the Eagles need to bring in another capable QB to push him THIS offseason. What do we have to lose? I want him to soar… i really do…. I believe he can…. i really do…. but I dont care who is under center…. I just want to win.

Stevo
Stevo
January 16, 2015 4:52 pm
Reply to  Stevo

to be clear… Im saying…. bring in competition any way you slice it and make him earn a new deal (in weeks 4-7) or be ready to replace him.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 4:55 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Stevo you are dead wrong. They can give him a new deal right now…they could have given him a new deal right after the last Giants game.

“Article 7, Section 3 of the CBA, entitled, “Rookie Contracts,” under section (k), which states: “A Rookie Contract for a Drafted Rookie may not be renegotiated, amended or altered in any way until after the final regular season game of the player’s third contract year.”

According to Rueben Frank- Jordan Palmer, Dennis Dixon, Jimmy Clausen all made more money than Nick Foles…if you are a team that is 20 million under the cap and you really care about ‘team culture’…dont you give your extremely underpaid QB that you believe in a sense of security. If you truly believe in the guy and he has been by all accounts a good teammate- for the good ‘team culture’ you are trying to build dont you award him by immediately by renegotiating his contract?

(As much as I dont like Foles I must admit he is extremely underpaid for what he has done)

How does that help ‘team culture’ when your severely underpaid QB is left as a lame duck twisting in the wind…and with Foles being soooo underpaid I dont see how he can truly have a good attitude about the Eagles. If he gets hurt again next year before he signs a new deal…he’s fucked! I guess Foles is supposed to take that for the team and sign a bargain basement contract when he has been severely underpaid for all these years…If Foles has any self-worth he wants to be signed to a big time contract now…he should be pointing to the games he has helped the Eagles win…

This once again is proof positive of the bullshit nature of that ‘team culture’ stuff…right!!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 5:03 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Um dum dum they will wait tilt he league year starts.
Rookie contracts have slots …there is no room for negotiation

Stevo
Stevo
January 16, 2015 5:04 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Dude…. you should try reading first… posting after… here is what I just said to you…..” Breeze.. They can’t offer him anything until he enters his final year of his rookie contract. That just happened.”

the “that just happened”part… care to guess what it means?

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 5:33 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Stevo and haveablunt…are you guys drunk or having reading comprehension problems?

“Article 7, Section 3 of the CBA, entitled, “Rookie Contracts,” under section (k), which states: “A Rookie Contract for a Drafted Rookie may not be renegotiated, amended or altered in any way until AFTER THE FINAL REGULAR SEASON GAME OF THE PLAYER’S THIRD CONTRACT YEAR.”
This means that Foles is NOW eligible for a new deal…right now, today!!! Foles eligibility for a new deal came right after the Eagles beat the Giants in the FINAL REGULAR SEASON GAME OF THE PLAYER’S THIRD CONTRACT YEAR.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 5:06 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Dipshit… Is Russell Wilson a great qb? The answer is yes…he made 50 grand more than Foles! It is because he was drafted a little higher.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 5:12 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

And Seattle is about to make him the highest paid player in the league or did you miss that story?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 5:17 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

ABOUT to make him the highest paid player..on his way to his second SB… Your retard friend was talking about 2014 salary… Read before blindly defending such a stupid poster

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 5:35 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Dumb ass-haveablunt
Russell Wilson is about to get major money and there is no question that he wont be entering next year…the fourth year of his contract as a lame duck…

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 6:21 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I’m talking about 2015 as is Koolbreeze, Wilson equals big money, Foles equals playing for Stinkin ass Barkley money, if he is the QB going forward they need to address that shit ASAP.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 7:33 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Actually big your special son said MADE more money and since 2015 hasn’t happened yet that means last season. Hey keep defending the tard

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 16, 2015 7:54 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Point still stand.

Koolidiot blabbering on and on about how Eagles have had a month to give Foles a new contract,,,why haven’t they?

Hawks have had the same amount of time and Wilson is still playing out his rookie deal.

Every stupid line that Koolidiot said….you can replace the word Foles with Wilson…all apply to Wilson:

“…dont you give your extremely underpaid QB that you believe in a sense of security.”

“If you truly believe in the guy and he has been by all accounts a good teammate- for the good ‘team culture’ you are trying to build dont you award him by immediately by renegotiating his contract?”

“and with Foles (Wilson) being soooo underpaid I dont see how he can truly have a good attitude about the Eagles (Hawks)”

“If he gets hurt again next year (or in the playoffs) before he signs a new deal…he’s fucked!”

…If Foles (Wilson) has any self-worth he wants to be signed to a big time contract now…he should be pointing to the games he has helped the Eagles (Hawks) win…

Why haven’t the Hawks signed Wilson to a deal? Why hasn’t WIlson demanded it? Why didn’t he demand one this year! Clearly he is/was in a better position than Foles.

Why doesn’t he have his new deal right now, He could have his leg twisted in half SUnday…..the Hawks are hanging that guy out to dry…….

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 8:05 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Lion you lose every brain cell when defending hot air…. You do understand the nfl ‘year’ is not over? You do know that next year doesn’t begin ti march 1? Have you been reading about a bunch of young guys signing contracts? I haven’t seem any!
And again your boy said MADE… Last year bro

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 8:26 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Where to begin? Let’s start with you Cigar playing word games calling people idiots and questioning intelligence, when you know damn well the conversation was about going forward whether the word made was there or not. Since Henski Hurnt outed hmself you want to be king of grammar now? On to one trick, did you not see that they can’t sign the deal until his season is over? Every impending free agent and player at the end of their rookie deal is technically being left out to dry in your words so you make no damn sense as usual. Bottom line barring injury Wilson will be the highest paid player in the NFL. Foles? Not so much.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 8:31 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Wilson is better, more accomplished and doesn’t play for us. It’s not a big deal files isn’t signed

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 9:10 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

“Every stupid line that Koolidiot said….you can replace the word Foles with Wilson…all apply to Wilson:”

Are you really that stupid Vinniedaloserass???
Seriously???
Lets try this replacement exercise that you suggest. Both are now eligible to receive a new contract.

In Seattle, they are talking about making Russell Wilson the highest paid QB in the league.
Ok…lets try what Vinnie just said and place Nick Foles with Wilson

“In Philadelphia, they are talking about making Nick Foles the highest paid QB in the league”

Vinniedaloserass, not even you have come close to remotely suggesting that Foles should be given a big time contract. If we are going to talk about the ‘team culture’, we also have to talk about paychecks…because players are very interested in that…
If ‘team culture’ is so important…and Foles is essential to the Eagles plan-we would be hearing talk of the Eagles renegotiation with Foles as the QB now. There would be an acknowledgment of how underpaid he is…and the need to reward him for leading them to the playoffs in 2013, to having a winning record…if ‘team culture is so important…and by ALL accounts,…Nick Foles has been a team guy…no one argues that…how come we are not hearing about any thought being given to rewarding Nick for his good service?
We see what Seattle is going to do…we saw what San Francisco did for Kaepernick…soon as he was eligible…they rewarded him.

Again, if ‘team culture’ is so important why isnt the QB getting rewarded that you Foles fans believe has been so good?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 9:31 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Hey numb nuts you realize Krap signed a team friendly contract in JUNE

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 17, 2015 9:47 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Krapernick signed his contract June 11.

Fucking loser.

IrishEagle
IrishEagle
January 26, 2015 11:36 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

According to Rueben Frank- Jordan Palmer, Dennis Dixon, Jimmy Clausen all made more money than Nick Foles…

Well Rueben Frank is wrong, Foles makes more than any of those players.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 27, 2015 12:38 am
Reply to  IrishEagle

No…you are wrong….Foles makes less than all of those players

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 4:59 pm

Well with the way teams are giving team friendly contracts maybe they will get it done earlier.
I don’t see anything more than a third rounder for conversation

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 4:59 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Competition

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 5:22 pm

Kool, let’s give that QB talk shit a rest for a post or two. That shit is getting redundant. I know this is a QB driven league but damn we have the worst secondary and a bum ass defensive coordinator who should have been fired before his ass got out of the press box after the Giants game and now this Kelly cat is talking about bringing Fletcher back? Man FletcherWilliamsAllen should never be allowed on the field together for the same team again ever except if they play for the damn Cowboys.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 5:41 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

I agree…I’m on the record as saying Billy Davis should be fired…I think he approach and lack of adjustment was a bigger problem than the talent in the secondary…putting Bradley Fletcher repeatedly one on one with Dez Bryant is the height of bad coaching…
I blame Davis more than the Players

zilents44
zilents44
January 16, 2015 5:53 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Foles will win the super bowl next year and will be league MVP……..foles foles foles is that better big lol

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 8:32 pm

Hey Cigar I read about Wilson’s impending new deal who the hell was talking about a bunch of other young guys? Have you seen any talk anywhere about a new deal for Foles? Which is what we we’re talking about so you might want to rethink the whole brain cell thing.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 16, 2015 8:35 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Like I said if he’s your QB reward him period whether it’s now or March 1 fix it no excuses just fix it.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 8:45 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Hmmm no but then again that stuff doesn’t get out and public unless a guy happens to win a SB in year two . Krap got his in the summer going into year four. Never mind how the league does things. Monday morning say hi to hot air while putting him on short bus

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 10:48 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

haveablunt, your brain must be fried! you fools are something else..

We haven’t heard of a slight hint that the Eagles are remotely considering offering Foles a new contract. Hell we heard rumblings that they are talking to Brandon Graham and his average ass about a new deal!
When the Eagles like a player they normally move rather quickly to lock him in…to make him comfortable, to let him know that he is wanted on the team.

They have done the exact opposite for Nick Foles…

So what does having Nick Foles as a lame duck QB do for this so-called emphasis on ‘team culture’ that we are talking about? Everyone knows he is extremely underpaid on the team. If he commands respect amongst the players, if the team is so concerned about ‘culture’…why dont we hear even the slightest indication from Eagles management that they are going to lock Foles in?

Like I said…its BS…Team Culture is formulated by winning, by going to the playoffs and winning…Management contributes to a winning culture by paying the players fairly…and good Coaching takes the talent and builds a winner by managing different personalities on a team.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 11:08 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Is graham signed? I missed it…
You don’t understand anything … Read what desert eagle said.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 16, 2015 10:33 pm

Firstly ,why would you ,discuss any opinions or sentiments if you are the philadelphia Eagles Coach and organization leader ,in addressing fletcher ,nick foles or anyone else ..it’s timing is just dumb when you’re attempting to employ a GM at this point in time..that goes especially for Chip Kellys alleged comments regarding Fletcher …I personally think it would be an affront to an incoming GM who you are trying to lure in from a super bowl winning organization .It undermines at the .start because you’re running your mouth about personnel …that is alarming …we are then nothing more than the “boy George culture club” G I’m very gravely concerned and I only can quantify people in power ,which Chip is now ,undeniably as anointed by the idiot owner who emasculated himself by promising the ex GM ,his rehire ,then ,somehow that emboldened Howie ,to axe Gamble…I still am anxious to know why he was escorted out? In my opinion that infers something nefarious or physical..I do find it interesting he’s not on the lips of anyone or any other organization..The retaining of Bill Davis is quizzical…by coach..again why start tooting your big mouth horn …the timing was immediately after the giant game . . .?. Wouldn’t it be prudent to see who or what shakes off the proverbial DC nfl tree..and hall of famers have fallen ,and yet were staying the course with Bill Davis ..if that’s a cultural decision ,bring me the definition of this philosophy ..you talk coach out of both sides ..that is not a good leadership persona..so why set yourself up for that ? Keep tight lipped ,say you’re evaluating everything ..we missed the playoffs ,we are result driven.everyone including me is under scrutiny ,and as a winning culture ,we want to get better ,and when an upgrade is apparent ,we are always striving towards excellence ..No you said “I think Bill Davis did a good job” why say anything …if you blurbed out about a most hated fletcher I’ll blow your playoff dreams at the holiday guy in philly ..G I’m more than concerned I’m frightened ..

zilents44
zilents44
January 16, 2015 10:45 pm

Theze dam sixersvkeep winning im happy and mad at the same dam time nice to see them jelling but we need that TOP 3 pick

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 16, 2015 10:45 pm

Kool ,I must thank you my brother ..because I just read all the posts and your fole fetish is blinding your sensibilities…and brings a smile to my face…let me spell this out for you ..just answer yes and no ..I won’t raise the bar ,knowing my mental hurdler …are we rumored to perhaps have a twilight zone moment ,and put out the rumor ,that chip wants his top quackerback.marriotta ..well yes or no? Thanks ..now ..if you’re entering the draft is it easier to allow whatever team ,perhaps you’re dangling nick foles as trade bait ,that he is on a cheap rookie earl to be renovated by his now acquiring team ..yes or no? Is this same nick foles coming off a 50% injury season ??yes or no? Is a Super Bowl winning qb in Seattle injured ? Yes or no…this is why Wilson and foles ..even though in your hate foles nimble moment ,you equate ones status is the same as the others …I’ll end this for you ..if you want to keep nick foles ,as a prudent move ,wouldn’t you wait until otas …and at least a quarter of the season ,before $$ was discussed …yes or no? We are all weary of your infused vitriol…put the shit to bed …that’s not only healthy for you personally ,it’s good business..and it is all about following the $$

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 16, 2015 11:01 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

deserteagle perhaps you like others should should read what I have stated instead of blindly following your own fetishes and confused constructs.

We were discussing the notion of ‘team culture’

How does your ‘yes or no’ questions fit the context of the discussion

Reading is fundamental to understanding deserteagle…go back and read carefully my statements and positions and the answers to your questions can be easily resolved.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 16, 2015 10:48 pm

Z..that genie has left the bottle…sixers as a team are better if they play well now..it has an inestimable value ..for the future …hoping for the genie to be the next great player is a crap shoot …same a s heisman trophy qbs…

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 16, 2015 11:09 pm

Kool I hope you’re shitting me with that comment…your most recent post ..”we haven’t heard a slight hint the Eagles have offered Foles a new contract” again ..for the umpteenth time..why would you ? The guy just came off an 8 game season ..wouldn’t you think any sane man would kick the tires on him ,before talking about anything? And again ..if a new GM is coming ,why would you emasculate that GM by discussing ANY personnel..? It’s counterproductive…why is the notion that he may be trade bait ,not clear to you my mental midget? You’re blinded by fole fetish…wouldn’t it be easier to trade a guy coming off an injury without a high $$ ticket attached?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 11:12 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Foles fetish because , well we know why

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 16, 2015 11:14 pm

Final thought Kool…if you start flapping your gums about Nick Foles you immediately devalue him as a negotiating aspect …his value is already being defined by his name being potentially coveted as a trade chip….wether for the draft or otherwise…but ..in the real world ..you can’t assume nicks agent doesn’t have a verbal commitment …but until he gets out there ..why bid against yourself,..he’s under contract ..you kick the tires and grade him out…

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 16, 2015 11:15 pm

Have a cigar ..that’s a whole other kettle …of fish..by the way saw selma ..very compelling flick..

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 16, 2015 11:52 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Selma was pretty darn good.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 16, 2015 11:58 pm

There’s a real good article on “BGN” titled “Nick Foles and the Chip Kelly Mirage” that you guys should read. A resounding breakdown of what is expected from Chip Kelly’s offense against what the pundits are saying in defense of Foles defending the stereotypical quarterback. It explains why a QB can rack up numbers in Chip’s offense but still fail to accomplish what the offense was designed to accomplish long term, where a QB can rack up numbers but still fail the eye test that can’t be ignored.

In other word, if Nick Foles were racking up numbers in a conventional offense he would be locked up for a long term deal but this offense design will get the numbers just by design and that comes mind when we see Mark Sanchez numbers. Even though Mark Sanchez put up good numbers we all know he’s not worthy to be a starter here,but his numbers are comparable to Fole’s this year if you’re looking at just the numbers they’re the same guy.

The article states how teams were adjusting to Chip’s scheme last year and the fact the last place schedule allowed Chip to match his new innovative schemes against very poor defensive minds at the bottom of the league which gave Foles an opportunity to get comfortable throwing to wide open receivers the offense designed to have him make easy reads knowing Djax commanded a double team way down field on any given play.

Things changed in the last quarter of last season once teams got acclimated to the plays and began to cheat linebackers in a nickel set to crash down on Shady and blitzing Foles more forcing him to get the ball out before Djax could get deep down field which began to result in Foles holding the ball too long leading to Sacks and Fumbles,and continual stalling when in the red zone because the deep ball doesn’t work in those areas.

The Vikings last year did this to perfection against Chip knowing Foles’s limitations without the option to keep being Fole’s weakness in the scheme.

That’s why Foles struggles early in games….Those wide open receivers afforded under Djax are gone making much easier for defenses…The same defenses that found their achilles heel even when Djax was still here, that this offense stalls if it don’t have the running threat from the QB because that variable is Chip’s 12th man on the field once the 11 on11 is committed …the QB must be able to make the defense pay by attacking the running lanes designed in Chip’s offense. Chip can’t modify the offense because it’s designed to attack horizontally and vertically depending on the weakness on shown to QB from play to play. Example: If there’s a safety sucking wind that’s a variable to attack, a DE tired can be exploited by a QB who can now run by him.

This offensive scheme is designed to attack scheme ad well as the team’s endurance.

This is stressed more in Chip’s scheme more compared to other teams.

Sanchez.

Teams knew he had a little more mobility compared to Foles but also knew his limitations in not being able to strike with the long ball,so they clogged throwing lanes,sitting safeties closer to the line to stop the option and slow shady..Receivers were open in Chip’s design but the opposition knew Sanchez couldn’t get it to them.

All in all Foles and Sanchez put up numbers, the offense will put up numbers regardless of QB, so what must change?

A quarterback that not only put up numbers but make the eye test, A player that can not only run Chip’s offense but command and improvise within the scheme to actually have Chip learn things about his own scheme because the QB can take it to the next level.

Chip use to create new plays based on Mariota capabilities even though the offense was good before Mariota came to Oregon.

Can we say the same for Foles or Sanchez? No.

So, when though the Eagles can rack up numbers and even win some games (usually against inferior teams) We won’t know what this offense is capable of until we have a QB with the Arm, Mind, and Mobility of the likes of Mariota.

Chip is not going to change his offense so be prepared for the status quo if that quarterback position is not improved.

Now there’s exceptions to every rule.

We can get to the playoffs and probably win a game with Foles if the offensive line is 100% healthy,the secondary get’s improved, Dick Lebeau becomes the DC, Djax is back with Maclin as the # 2, and the special teams and defense gives us 14 points a game like they did earlier in the season.

You need all these variables for Nick Foles/Sanchez to succeed if they don’t lead the league in turnovers.

Again, when you get the chance go check out the article.

It’s reality.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 17, 2015 1:49 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Excellent, Excellent article Songs….thanks!

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 2:12 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

It’s everything everyone has seen but was afraid to admit in hopes of Foles being the guy.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 12:07 am

i’m just going to pastes a small piece.

Beyond any mirage factor, back to X’s and O’s, there is little to get excited about with Nick Foles. Greg Cosell, in my opinion, sums up Nick Foles in a nutshell with these quotes. “When Foles gets into more long-yardage situations– it’s tougher for any quarterback, that’s not just Nick Foles– but Foles is not the kind of quarterback that is going to stand in the pocket and drill the ball consistently between defenders.” “Last year because all of this was new to defensive coordinators, we all agree that it looked last year like there were a ton of open receivers, which doesn’t happen that much in the NFL.” “I think if you look at Foles the player, what you likely see is this: He’s got a good arm but not a gun; he’s not a power thrower, not a drive thrower. He’s a little more of a finesse thrower than a drive thrower. He does not have quick feet. There is no quick-twitch to his movement. There’s no explosive lower-body movement to him. When you look at Foles, I think what you see is a quarterback that needs the system to work for him and provide defined reads and good throws with the route concepts, just the whole system. He needs the system to work for him..”

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 12:09 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

I agree wholeheartedly with Cosell’s assessment and I’d like to take it a step further. Pro Football Focus keeps a stat for QB’s to measure their accuracy. They eliminate throwaways, spikes and just try to isolate the instances where a QB is truly trying to complete a pass. According to Steve Palazzolo of PFF, Foles was the worst in the NFL in 2013 in this accuracy stat. In 2014, through the AZ Cardinals game, he was AGAIN the worst in the NFL and on top of that, he was also the worst in the NFL on “INT-worthy” throws. Meaning whether or not the throw was actually picked off, it counts all of the throws that should of been picked off. I also have an issue with Foles decision making. Long story short, I don’t think it’s good. I’d like to provide some evidence of that here:

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 12:12 am

I couldn’t resist……….

All of these things, Foles’ athletic limitations, struggles with accuracy and decision making, when considered in totality, make me really struggle to understand the thought process of a hypothetical question such as, “if Marcus Mariota was available at pick #20 would you draft him?” (this is for you, Ike Reese.) It’s not so much of a decision as it is a full blown block party.

Now, I used this format to compare/contrast Nick Foles and Marcus Mariota but I feel it’s important to stress that it does not HAVE to be Mariota. If he were to be drafted 1st overall and the Eagles take Trae Waynes in the first round, no problem. It is just my opinion, that unless we have a QB that can provide those dynamic elements to the position, we’re shortchanging ourselves (enjoyment) and our football team. Whether its Brett Hundley, Bryce Petty, Colin Kaepernick (through trade), someway, somehow we have to get upgraded at that position. Otherwise it will be more of the same next year from the QB who threw 33 INT’s in 33 college games. The QB who threw 15 INT’s in 15 games in 2012 and 2014. Don’t let the “Chip mirage” hide the truth. Enough of Nick Foles. We need better.

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 12:18 am

Jesus you and kool on the exact same page who would have think that this is why people say you two are the same u agree on fucking everything and when hit with facts u result in chip has got to find his guy in aint foles but what mobile qb has he brought in none so chip doesnt agree with you. i see yawl post everyday and yes songs you do bring up defense sometimes but it all leads back to foles which you and breezy constantly nag on here and i try to ignore yawl but yawl never stop which lets me know yawl just like to troll

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 12:27 am
Reply to  zilents44

deal with the content without conjecture.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 17, 2015 1:51 am
Reply to  zilents44

Just cant handle the truth!!!

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 17, 2015 9:52 am
Reply to  koolbreeze

LOL

That article was a FANPOST!!!!!

Written by some a “still lving in Mom’s basement and never once been to an Eagles game, let alone understand football” idiot like yourself.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 17, 2015 12:19 am

Midnight ..Friday night back there songs and Kool in a fole fetish …wow

Stevo
Stevo
January 17, 2015 12:26 am

Get Cbs and if a Qb falls to us that can challenge foles… Great.

In other news…

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 12:32 am
Reply to  Stevo

Thank you steve not one person on this site is against competition for nick foles whether draft or free agency just SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE NICK FOLES shit and talk about something else that shit is played out

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
January 17, 2015 12:58 am

Jesus Christ…just get rid of all the articles and just post ” Nick Foles”and let yall comment about nothing.

For every PFF stat…there’s ESPNs QBR to go the other way.

Until Chip drafts/trades/ or signs another QB, Foles is the guy. Shut up about it. Foles at QB won’t keep is from contending from playoffs. Fletcher Allen Williams will. Lack of a deep that will. Relying on backup OL will.

Im a Chip Kelly guy. If he needs an exact prototype Qb to win and run his offense in the NFL we hired the wrong the guy.

Kelly wasn’t hired for the Oregon offense. He was hired for his brain and the innovative way he built that offense and to build something to that effect in the pros. You don’t mortgage the future in the NFL. Recent drafts have shown that.

Subway Bob set the Redskins back years.

Julio Jones cost the Falcon depth on the OL etc.

Neither move has translated to real success.

If Marriotta falls out the top 10 it’s intriguing but he isn’t so it’s moot.

Move on.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 1:05 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

I beg to differ. A QB who leads the league in turnovers will keep the team from contending.

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 1:18 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

U beg a differ i wish u beg a shut the fuck up about foles u make people hate you and not even pay attention to what you say cuz it all leads to foles

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 4:48 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

except for HOF QB’s Favre, Unitas, Manning, Marino leading the league in turnovers a combined 15 times between them… except that right?

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 1:09 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

again, no one is saying the Eagles should mortgage the future. There is no future without a franchise QB and you’re 100% wrong concerning Chip’s offense.

How many times we have screamed at the TV for him calling a damn read option play or boot play that takes forever to develop with a slow Foles?

Chip is still running read option plays.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
January 17, 2015 1:53 am
Reply to  IzzellJenkins

Izzell…dont care about your declarations…the Eagles main problem is at QB…We cant win with Nick Foles…bottom line..the evidence is overwhelming…Defenses have figured Foles out…he just cant do it…and the sooner we admit this and move on the better.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 1:48 am

Look at what they’re saying in Oregon Beat writer John Canzano.

n his new must-read column titled, ‘Chip Kelly must find a way to reunite his act with Marcus Mariota in the NFL’, Canzano explains why both parties—Kelly and Mariota—need each other. And why it’s not out of the realm of possibility, like many believe.
“Give up picks,” Canzano writes. “Give up players. Even give up [LeSean] McCoy and [Nick] Foles if you have to do it. Kelly can win with a backfield that includes Chris Polk and whoever else he can find. But what Kelly can’t do is let the quarterback who is ideal for what he wants to accomplish fall into the hands of someone who doesn’t know what to do with him.
“Mariota needs it.
“Kelly needs it.
“The rest of us wouldn’t take our eyes off it.”

On the trade front

“There’s a fair chance Tampa Bay will try to sell season tickets by passing on Mariota at No. 1 and selecting Jameis Winston,” Canzano wrote. “What we’ll find out is whether Tennessee, picking at No. 2, really does like Zach Mettenberger as much as it says. If so, given their glaring overall needs, they’re a potential trade partner for the Eagles.”

oregon live dot com…..check it out.

It’s not as if the Eagles know what to do with the top draft picks anyway so they might as well make their offense unstoppable and if it take a few Brandon Grahams or Danny Watkins or Shawn Andrews, or Marcus Smiths then hell with it.

Get a high scoring offense that can protect the defense by forcing teams to throw from behind against dime coverage.

period.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 17, 2015 9:56 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Grrrrrreat.

Mariotta will be shit in the NFL unless he re-unites with Kelly…… Fantastic.

Sounds like he can be “the” guy.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 2:02 am

Some good stuff….Check it.

By John Canzano | The Oregonian/OregonLive
Chip Kelly must play this cool. As if he doesn’t care. As if it won’t matter. As if nobody is looking. Marcus Mariota announced Wednesday that he’ll enter the NFL draft. He’s leaving college behind. And Kelly should spend the next couple of months pretending not to notice.

But we all know what he’d love to do.

Kelly won a power struggle and now has full control of the personnel decisions in Philadelphia. He has all the Eagles draft picks, and assets such as running back LeSean McCoy, at his disposal. But what he doesn’t have is a quarterback ideally suited for his offense in the way Mariota would be.

Trouble is, there are 19 teams between the Eagles and Mariota. Also, there’s evidence that mortgaging your entire future for one player doesn’t pencil out. Anyone who has spent time around Kelly knows that this is the player he has to have.

You’re going to hear talk about the Eagles using their first-round pick (No. 20 overall) to fill a defensive need. You’ll hear discussion about how UCLA quarterback Brett Hundley, a one-time Kelly recruit, would probably fit. But Kelly must know that he has to do everything in his power to get Mariota in a Philadelphia uniform.

“If Chip Kelly can pull that off, it’s a boon,” Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon said Wednesday. “Marcus is an excellent athlete with a good arm and good feet but the biggest concern is that he’s not a guy who is going to throw in rhythm and throw into small windows.

“I think he can get that part, but if he can get into a system that suits him, it’s ideal. The familiarity he has with Chip’s offense would make this a win for both of those guys.”

Kelly needs Mariota. Without him, the growth curve slows considerably. The fan base is already beginning to wonder if his offense is an entertaining parlor trick that is incapable of resulting in a deep playoff run. Kelly has a couple of seasons to demonstrate otherwise to ownership.

Kelly loves McCoy, but doesn’t need him. He won big at Oregon with a line of running backs (LeGarrette Blount, LaMichael James, Kenjon Barner, Byron Marshall, etc.) that he could easily duplicate in the NFL. What he absolutely had to have, though, was a quarterback who suited his style.

Not Nick Foles. Not Matt Barkley or Mark Sanchez. Not even Michael Vick.

Kelly desperately needs Mariota and should do everything in his power to make it happen.

Mariota needs Kelly, too. Without him, the ex-Ducks quarterback runs the risk of being drafted by a struggling franchise that hands him the keys and asks him to save it. Joey Harrington, basically. David Carr, essentially. Together, these guys win big. Apart, it’s a question. And I don’t think either can afford to bank on the notion that some team might draft Mariota and give up on him in two seasons.

There’s a fair chance Tampa Bay will try to sell season tickets by passing on Mariota at No. 1 and selecting Jameis Winston. What we’ll find out is whether Tennessee, picking at No. 2, really does like Zach Mettenberger as much as it says. If so, given their glaring overall needs, they’re a potential trade partner for the Eagles.

Jacksonville picks third and has its quarterback. The Raiders pick fourth. They have Derek Carr under center. And so you see there will be plenty of opportunity for the Eagles should they decide to go all-in chasing Mariota.

We know he grew up a Cowboys fan. We understand that the NFL is big-boy football. But what I can’t get past is the idea that I’ve watched Kelly squeak by with surprisingly positive results with quarterbacks that just don’t fit what he’s trying to do. I think Mariota ends up NFL Rookie of the Year if Kelly can get him. And I think Mariota ends up on the scrap pile if the wrong team picks him.

Predraft workouts will only increase Mariota’s value. He’ll test well. He’ll run well. Scouts will be surprised at his accuracy and arm strength. There’s nothing here that will help Kelly except for the narrative that Moon and others have on mobile passers.

What makes Mariota so good, though, isn’t his arm or even legs. He often uses his feet to create extra time or create the right breakdown on defense. But what really makes Mariota so deft is his brain. The game never moves faster than he wants it to move. When he makes a mistake, it’s not one of panic, but one of excitement, as if he sees the play developing and can’t help but get to it faster than it wants to happen.

Mariota will have to learn to throw into tighter spaces. He’ll have to throw receivers open. He’ll have to learn that he takes his life into his hands when he runs with the ball. He’ll have to acclimate to a league that chews up Heisman winners. But the cleanest, easiest, most interesting way around all of that is for Kelly to play cool, then cut a deal that one of the top five teams in this draft can’t refuse.

Give up picks. Give up players. Even give up McCoy and Foles if you have to do it. Kelly can win with a backfield that includes Chris Polk and whoever else he can find. But what Kelly can’t do is let the quarterback who is ideal for what he wants to accomplish fall into the hands of someone who doesn’t know what to do with him.

Mariota needs it.

Kelly needs it.

The rest of us wouldn’t take our eyes off it.

We have never won a Super Bowl!!!!!!

It can’t get any worse for the Eagles fans, So Chip get your guy so we can see what your offense can do on the NFL level.

Mariota is waiting.

MAKE THE DEAL!!!

daggolden
daggolden
January 17, 2015 5:27 am

On another note BGN posted this

According to a report from NJ.com’s Eliot Shorr-Parks, much-maligned Eagles cornerback Bradley Fletcher might not be done in Philadelphia just yet.

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“But according to a person with knowledge of the situation, who requested anonymity because he is not authorized to speak on the matter, the Eagles told Fletcher at his season-ending meeting that they want him back next season.”

Fletcher is one of ten Eagles free agents this offseason, so the team will have to make a decision on him. Most Eagles fans would suggest that the decision should be easy: let him walk in free agency. This report seems to suggest the team has other plans.

Before you prepare to jump off a cliff, let’s talk about this report a little more.

Why it makes sense

On the surface, this report doesn’t make any sense. Fletcher struggled mightily in 2014 and the Eagles need to upgrade. But just because the team wants to re-sign him doesn’t mean he would be guaranteed a starting role. The Eagles could be interested in retaining him as a depth player. Fletcher might not have the same interest, so he could opt to move on.

Another thing to consider is that talk is cheap. The Eagles may have said they want Fletcher back, but that doesn’t really mean anything. Their actions will prove if they want him back or not.

Why it doesn’t

As I just said, this report doesn’t make much sense because Fletcher was bad last season. Per Pro Football Focus, no cornerback allowed more yards (1,072) to opposing pass catchers. He also allowed nine touchdowns, which was the second most by any cornerback. What made Fletcher’s struggles even worse was that they were a big factor in why the team lost to the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins down the stretch.

And it’s not as if the team is high on Fletcher. The veteran cornerback was benched during the Washington game. He also didn’t play in the season finale due to “injury reasons.”

LOL

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 6:45 am

Cutting DJax was ridiculous, plain and simple. Not only did you lose his value on the field, they got no value for him with the outright release. You win in this league with talent, not mediocre try hard guys. If you think the Patriots, Seahawks, and Steelers don’t have to deal with guys who worry about their numbers or money, you are living in the same alternate universe that Kelly lives in where he thinks he can create a roster of guys who never think of those things.

The Seahawks had to deal with Marshawn Lynch holding out during training camp. He wanted a new deal, and they weren’t going to give him one, but they did convert some of his salary into a bonus in order to compromise. They understood the value he brings on the field, and they weren’t going to cut off their nose to spite their face. The Seahawks traded for Harvin believing he could fit in, and when they found out they were wrong, did they cut him in some asinine belief in culture? No, they found a willing trade partner and got value for someone who was three times the headache as DJax. You tell me, did you like their handling of those situations, or the Eagles? Who’s still playing and who’s home? Where was the belief in culture when Belichek signed Le Garrett Blount after he was cut for walking out on the Steelers? Culture isn’t about having 53 saints. It’s about having strong leadership, whose influence can temper the inclination for some players to fall out of line. Culture is about the coach understanding that a player’s on-field value far outweighs some off-field negatives, and knowing when those negatives are too great. Belichek traded a Pro Bowl player past 30 who he had run-ins with in the past due to salary. When he felt that player was worth it, he worked out a deal. When he felt he was no longer worth it, he traded him to Tampa Bay for a young tight end and draft pick. After some growing pains, the Patriots improved along the o-line, while Logan Mankins did nothing in Tampa Bay. Meanwhile I had to watch DJax roasting the very corners Kelly and Davis have defended all year and watch a former Eagle slam the door on our season. Some teams cut guys and don’t pay the price cuz they actually know what they’re doing. Others watch a former player help end their season. I would’ve thought that Kelly’s ‘culture’ bullshit would’ve lost some credibility.

The one thing I’m not liking about Kelly is this belief that he shouldn’t have to deal with these issues. He’s gonna be coaching for the next 20 years, either here or elsewhere, it’s easy for him to talk about the team 100% of the time cuz that’s in his best interest. What’s the average career for an Nfl player? Three and a half years? And he thinks 53 guys are never going to think about their own self interest, ever? He’s got another thing coming if he thinks noone on this roster is going to demand a better salary or question their role openly. My way or the highway ain’t gonna cut it.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 9:31 am
Reply to  skayne

priceless post.

That “Culture” nonsense can get thrown in the same bin with one liners like,”Golden Standard” and “We have the most talented roster in the league” Rhetoric that has come from the Novacare in the last decade on so.

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2015 9:46 am
Reply to  skayne

Skayne you are killing it, everybody put your biases aside and read this post. But who am I fooling like I said before maybe 3% of the posters here can be objective in the face of a firing squad.

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 10:25 am
Reply to  Biglion821

That was a great post you can’t aspect all these nfl players with families and lives just to always follow in line…..they are eventually gonna want more and it’s their job to see they get what they deserve ……whether the guy has character issues or not….if he’s talented you can’t keep replacing them with guys with no talent like JEFF MAEHL….for some reason is still making the roster…..jeff maehl won’t win you much in this league……THANK YOU SKAYNE FOR NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW WHO

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 10:26 am
Reply to  zilents44

This is how much Character means to me I WOULD TRADE ALL OF OUR WR”S FOR DEZ BRYANT AND I CAN”T STAND HIM AS A PERSON

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 10:43 am
Reply to  zilents44

Z44, say it again…no doubt.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 10:47 am
Reply to  Biglion821

Big, asking some of these cats on here to put their biases aside is like asking the Earth to stop spinning….not gonna happen. Agreed …great post skayne.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 10:27 am
Reply to  skayne

Good Stuff Skayne..

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 10:02 am

Here’s the way I look at the Eagles today (1/13/15)
What’s happened the last 2 Years under Kelly is water under
The bridge, the Roster Moves,Drafts,Game Plans,
Cap Situation, etc,etc…
Chip Kelly now has Total Control of his Roster
And these next 3 months thru Draft Time will
tell me whether he is a long-termer & committed
And smart enough Talent Evaluation/Roster Management
wise to bring a SB to Philly..
These 90 Days or so are critical for Kelly
The Eagles Franchise and us Fans..
I will be here to watch, support and be critical
Of the moves he makes or doesn’t make..
Game On, Honeymoon is in the Rear-View
mirror, and it’s time for Chip Kelly to earn his due
Let’s Go Eagles..

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 10:30 am
Reply to  paulman

Agree 100 with that Pman it’s all in chip’s hand……a little off subject could he be gay…..don’t really matter but he’s never been married and no kids at his age is pretty weird

johnnyeagle
johnnyeagle
January 17, 2015 12:29 pm
Reply to  zilents44

Only his girlfriend knows for sure.

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 1:16 pm
Reply to  johnnyeagle

Or boyfriend

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2015 10:47 am
Reply to  paulman

Agree 100% Paulman, this is why I think kicking Howie upstairs was the right move, no more dysfunction Chip get you’re guys run the program the way you want. Just don’t be wrong, is that asking for too much?

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 10:59 am

I am hating myself for bringing this up but if i don’t vinnie will and that will start a huge argument…..but it’s pretty telling on who the players want to start at qb. Lesean mccoy has backed nick foles as 2015 starter for the eagles and he even used the o line injuries to help the young man out…..hey if mccoy is saying this u best believe the rest of team wants nick as the starter….and there’s that

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 1:24 pm
Reply to  zilents44

McCoy is trade bait.

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 17, 2015 11:11 am

..I delight in the notion that football players and owners …millionaires and billionaires ,aren’t watching out for there own interests …name me one player that will sacrifice his own financial well being for the good of the franchise…yes,guys will re proportion money’s ,and the end game will provide them with a bigger net total..but ,nobody is wearing green Pom poms ..the only green that matters ,is what goes in the bank..Chip has some cracks in his armor …the honeymoon is definitively over …if he wants autonomy ,and provides leadership and skills in deftly re-signing guys ,without creating acrimony …I’ll be amazed ,here and now ,he is in a position to not only coach ,but negotiate there assumed worth,to his football team…that’s a fine line ,and he’s never walked it in college ,and now he’s got to show a deft ability to pay guys and play guys …

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 17, 2015 11:17 am

He can’t be effusive in sound bites ,cognizant that an agent may throw that on the negotiating table..he has to stop immediately ,the notion ,that he wants this guy or that guy…you can’t negotiate against yourself…the most toxic cocktail is devaluing a player ,or showing your hand by coveting a player ,that creates a counter culture …with guys wondering if they’re appreciated …or depreciated ..that’s best kept behind close doors..

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 17, 2015 11:25 am

Z44 exactly my point above…I saw lesean last night on nfl network …read the Tea leaves..he’s due 12 million next year ..he was asked if he’d consider renegotiating his monies…he spoke that he’s a Pennsylvania guy and he loves the philadelphia eagles…he spoke glowingly about nick foles…he’s toeing the company line…he’s playing the so called culture card…why? Because he wants to extract every $$ possible…cromartie who was seated next to him ,when asked about the cardinals and his impending free agency …licked Todd Bowles up and down ,and as an aside said ..the jets are 50 million under the cap..two guys trying to get there money ..two different approaches..

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 17, 2015 11:27 am

Follow the $$ Z 44..it’s a business ..don’t equate what they say …it’s all about extracting as much green as possible..

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 11:31 am
Reply to  deserteagle

yea u prob right

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 11:54 am

For the record… Culture matters. Chip had to axe that receiver. Make the team his… Now that he has a team that sees he means business, is in charge he could bring in a diva and the room will help keep him in line. Once control has been established you can do that,
If you can’t understand that then you don’t know sports

zilents44
zilents44
January 17, 2015 11:58 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Now that is true hac….hope he can find the talent and not worry too much about that talent being a good ole boi

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 12:04 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Well we will surely find out…best cb in draft is Marcus Peters…2nd best WR is Dorial Green Beckham. Chip’s culture is established in locker room, let’s see what direction he goes in picking talent. What good is strong locker room culture if it can’t set example and provide good leadership examples for some rooks with a shaky background!

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 12:28 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

The team was already his. No player questioned that Kelly was the man. He was a first year coach, every player would know there’s a new sheriff in town and things are going to be done his way. There was no mutiny going on, no division in the locker room. The reasons for cutting him were equal parts hubris and misunderstanding what makes a good receiver at the NFL level.

During an interview during the draft, on Espn, he said he values size in receivers, because at the NFL level receivers don’t get much separation, and you have to make a lot of contested catches at this level. I’ll tell you now, elite receivers get separation, and only occasionally make a contested catch. If a db is in your hip pocket all day you are not going to be successful. Where were all the contested catches by Kelly’s one and only, Riley Cooper? Nowhere to be found. But he’s got a great contract that guarantees he’ll be on the team this year.

Like I said before, Kelly got away with mediocre talent at receiver at Oregon. Josh Huff is one of the few who have NFL ability. He thinks he can do that at this level. Also he overvalues blocking ability to actual receiving ability. Hence Zach Ertz barely seeing the field.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 1:04 pm
Reply to  skayne

Kelly obviously disagrees with you. And two why would anyone with half a brain believe one word a coach says to media .

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 1:32 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

We’ve got real world evidence of Kelly’s decision making on this issue. With the cancer off the team, we were less explosive on offense, Riley Cooper was completely useless and we missed the playoffs. With the cancer on the team, we made the playoffs. But your whole thing is you dislike DJax, so who cares if the team was worse, a player you disliked is off the team. Who cares about wins and losses, that’s a secondary concern to whether you personally like a player.

About believing what Kelly says, I’ll remind you of that whenever he next gives Foles a vote of confidence or expresses satisfaction with his play.

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 17, 2015 2:49 pm
Reply to  skayne

“I’ll tell you now, elite receivers get separation, and only occasionally make a contested catch.”

You’ve clearly never watched wither Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson play.

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 3:00 pm

I’ve seen plenty of highlights showing them making occasional contested catches. Key word is occasional. The vast majority of their catches come after creating clear separation. In the 3 td game Bryant made one contested catch, the rest of the time clear separation. It’s a myth if you think dbs are contesting most of their catches.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 11:58 am

It’s like a little guy walking into prison… Either cowar in a corner or pick out a big bad MF and drop him…. Establish you won’t be f.ed with

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 1:29 pm

Funny gcobb says cutting that x receiver was good for culture in the long run, ray Lewis who I despise says culture matters. Yet the geniuses on here say it doesnt

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 1:44 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Culture doesn’t mean every player is a saint. Good culture is about having leadership who keeps players in line, not cutting players just cuz the coach is annoyed with him. Your idea of good culture doesn’t exist in any lockerroom. If you think that team didn’t have players who occasionally stepped out of line you’re smoking.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 2:09 pm
Reply to  skayne

Skayne being a saint has zero to do with it ! ZERO! Being respectful of coaches and in team facilities does.
Being respectful to underling coaches who make 30 grand not treating them like a POS etc. those are the creeps that f with culture

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 2:50 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Whatever unnamed source or rumors you read or heard doesn’t sway me. Bottom line is the Eagles never on the record said he did those things. All his so-called problems off the field yet they made the playoffs with him, and didn’t without him. Very little value in this imaginary culture upgrade, while tons of value was lost on the field.

And if you had to get rid of him, the least you do is get value. If the Seahawks can get value for an often hurt player who was already traded once for character issues, the Eagles could have damn sure got some value while controlling where he went.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 5:10 pm
Reply to  skayne

That’s like saying the Eagles made Playoffs in 2013 with Nick Foles at QB while Eagles failed to make Playoffs with Mark Sanchez playing the final 8 Games for the injured Foles..
Each Season is unique to it’s own…
Eagles failed to make Playoffs in 2014 because
They were not good enough,when it mattered the most,
plain & simple

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 17, 2015 2:54 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Exactly/.

The “Culture” business has nothing to do with outside the building, and everything to do with inside. Desean was a slacker and cut for that.

The other thing that’s I find weird is why everyone….err…..rephrase….the regular anti-Foles style over substance crowd things that “culture-talent” is some sort of “either-or” proposition.

There’s a whole crew in here that think in order to be talented you’ve got to be some sort of always pounding the chest, diving backwards into the endzone, always on TMZ clown.

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 3:23 pm

I know that for you, it’s an unpardonable sin to attract attention to yourself, but I don’t care if a player is boastful if he produces. Production matters, everything else is petty bullshit.

There is a crew in here that thinks that in a lockerroom, everything is kumbya and every player gets along with each other and every other person in an organization, others are more realistic considering that you have to deal with many different personalities in a workplace.

But I know DJax helping to end our season doesn’t matter to that crowd. Cutting a productive player and signing an unproductive one at his position? No sweat. The evil Jaccpot cancer was slayed, and it doesn’t really matter if the team was better off. Their personal aesthetics are no longer offended.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 4:27 pm
Reply to  skayne

‘desean helped end our season’
you do know that the outcome of the game ended up having no bearing on the playoffs? eagles could have won, finished 11-5 and not made the playoffs?
kumbaya..? no way brother…they aren’t all friends, they have fights, arguments etc… no one says they have to be choir boys…
i don’t know ex player gcobb says its imp. – most players, coaches etc say it is but the gcobb, excuse making crowd says no.

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 5:13 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

You do know that when we played the game our season was still alive right? So dismissing the game as irrelevant is convenient for you in order to disregard the fact that the cancer was the main reason for the Redskins offensive success that day.

As I said having a strong culture means strong leadership, not 53 perfect human beings. Desean was not a leader of the team, and didn’t influence other players to be like him. His production trumped the petty bullshit off the field.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 5:29 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

cowboys winning that day ended our season..
as for what desean was or wasn’t– the coach disagrees with you– VEHEMNTLY! — and you have no idea how he was in meetings, on the field– as an astute observer of the eagles i’m sure you did see him quit on the team when he didn’t get his way– you had to it was right there on tv
and again, the coach who was in the room disagrees with you…

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 5:32 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Oh and we agree– he was very successful on that field that day-
unfortunately we have no way of measuring how his attitude affected or did not affect the very UNSUCCESSFUL season the TEAM had!
thats one of those things that is qualitative and can’t be measured… chip as was his right made a qualitative decision…. you don’t have to like it but i’m pretty sure he didn’t ask your opinion!

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2015 7:42 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Skayne your wasting your time in any discussion with these two because they cannot and will not let personal biases get out of the way of any rational thought process.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 8:04 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

hey lion check the personal bias thing pal… you, skayne, hot air and songs defend the, well… um you know what you defend… its pretty obvious.
the coach who is paid to make the decisions said the guy was not good for the team…. end of story… culture matters! ask f.ing ray lewis who says it constantly

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2015 8:32 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

So now you want to trumpet what Ray Lewis says? Transparent much man? Ridiculous, putting your biases aside means putting your hate aside for Djax and understanding they screwed up, you two keep trying to avoid the point. I don’t like Kelly BUT I can put my bias aside to understand that Lurie made the right decision putting him in charge of the football operation. Even though he made the wrong decision in getting rid of Djax. Coaches on the pro level get paid to manage difficult personalities.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 8:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Or to have the balls to get rid of them for the greater good… Two sides of the same coin my man

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2015 8:50 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

And the coaches who have the balls to get rid of them don’t win in the NFL, by the way the greater good of who? Society or some warped thinking that you can’t win with certain guys? For every San Antonio Spurs I can give you 5 teams that won world championships with the worse collection of human beings possible.

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 8:53 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Is that your comeback for everything, nah, nah, the coach disagrees with you? I mean, do you feel vindicated or something? Kelly cut Desean and we missed the playoffs! Woo-hoo!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 8:55 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Well like I’ve said numerous times… A guy doing come or banging whores is… What jocks do… But when they get to the office, things change.
Joe Namath was …well he was joe willy, anyway he called his own plays and wanted to pass 100 times a game…then was taught , understood that 35 runs and 15 passes would take him to immortality…. He listened put the team first…and immortality later…Ray Lewis is actually a similar story

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 9:16 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Kelly has bigger plans. Skayne, I suggest you, hot air, songs and led by lion get into professional coaching… The money is great and you obviously understand the right formula for success… I would think lion is the HC as he is usually the most level headed…. Go for it, don’t worry about character… Get every high maintenance, cry baby, misunderstood, pampered AAU asshole you can find… Stop fucking around on blogs.. Put your plan in motion

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 9:22 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Kelly cut desean and missed the playoffs… Yup you small minded ghetto idiots think that one thing over the course of an nfl season kept them from the playoffs… Small minds, incapable of critical, commonsensical thought. Pea brains…. Yo mofo cut my boy, DJAX can ball, DJAX run s fast … That asshole cut him. Fuck DJAX…the skins missed the playoffs and he was on the team.. That’s the nfl small minds..

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 17, 2015 9:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Well obviously you couldn’t coach in todays pro leagues since everyone doesn’t have a crew cut and no facial hair, dude what world do you live in? Kelly recruited damn near every South Central LA kid he could find when he was at Oregon. Give you enough rope and you’ll hang the shit out of yourself everytime. Do you even realize how foolish you sound playing that race card shit?

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
January 17, 2015 9:48 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Damn HAC tell us how you really feel. You didn’t pay the race card you played the racist card. Come on Bruh.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 9:51 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

small minded ghetto idiots…wow….it must take one to know one!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 9:54 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

South central kid but cut DJAX. Lion you don’t know me but I have coached city kids for a long time…. In DE our city kids come to the burbs…(it’s a political nightmare)… But I have no issue with a chip on the shoulder but at some point you have to let it go…
Maybe I couldn’t coach in the nfl… Actually I knowi can’t…
But you desean lovers are over the top…. To the best of my knowledge he hasn’t been a force in alombardi trophy ceremony. He is a nice player.. He has special speed , below ave. size, bad Tude…so the fuck what

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 9:58 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Yeah truth hurts…. So what …
Race card? Uh huh… Just me playing race. I’m the only one that doesn’t put in code…Lion who has intelligence but defends the agenda of songs, kool and ts… It racially motivated… Be honest

IzzellJenkins
IzzellJenkins
January 17, 2015 9:59 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

The problem with cutting DJax was they didn’t have a sure fire plan to replace him. Chip and Howie fucked up on that note. Cooks or Beckham were supposed to be his replacement and the draft threw them a curveball IMO and it blew up in there face. I think that’s also why they went after VJax at the deadline and was one if the things that really cracked the Chip Howie relationship.

Chip will take a pain the ass on as long as he’s willing to work. DJax is not the dude. He dogged it on Andy who basically catered to him, he dogged it on Chip and he has dogged it here in Washington. But hes fucking talented so many are willing to look past it.

Im a huge Shady on field fan…off the field he has big time douchebag tendencies, Chip is still riding with him. DJax was an anamoly not the norm.

But theres no denying that they fucked off that while situation. And this is coming from.a Chip Howie supporter(although I lost it for Howie after hearing him on WIP lol)

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 10:02 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

A lot of top flight players in the NFL has never hoisted a Lombardi trophy, it does not minimize their (here comes your favorite term) skill set. Jim Kelly, Dan Marino…I can go on, Dez Bryant, Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson…and literally thousands of others. Jackson, with the right team can help a team win a super bowl. To lay wins and losses or a teams level of success at the feet of one player is asinine!

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 10:07 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Izzel, except for the fact that the eagles receivers had more yards this year than last… I mean that plan… And that with butt fumble…. I don’t know seems like they had the desean ‘loss’ covered

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 10:10 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Ain’t nothing new from these dudes. He’s in the same camp as vinnie da moron and jakedog. It always comes out if you debate ’em long enough.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 10:13 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

HAC, what race is QB’s Johnny Manziel, Marc Sanchez, Garrett Grayson? All mobile, not one is black, Kool and Songs expresses interests in all of them. Get off the racist bullshit. People who always look for racism in others do so because they have so much racism within themselves and they find it impossible that others don’t harbor the same feelings.

You guys kill me trying to turn someone wanting a mobile QB into wanting a Black QB. Mobile QB’s does not translate into Black QB’s. Just because someone does not like Foles or does not want a statue at QB does not make them a racist no more than some one wanting a pure pocket passer with no mobility a racist.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 10:16 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Skayne you don’t debate, you spit nonsense… You won’t engage intellectually presumably because you can’t… The truth hurts, try coaching, it will be fun and maybe a good career for you. I believe African American coaches of the highest caliber (tomlin, Caldwell, dungy, smith etc. ) would agree with me ..they believe culture is important… You can talk in code, it’s ok

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 10:19 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Izzy the race part is Foles… By endorsing white mobile QBs they somehow vilify their boy, false prophet Vick…that’s where race comes I

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 10:27 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Who doesn’t debate? I lay out my reasons for not buying into the DJax decision and not buying in to your notion of culture. Not in any of your comments did you respond to any point I made. Just a long string of wise ass posts- either nah nanna boo boo, Kelly doesn’t agree with you! Or complete strawmen like ‘You do realize the Redskins game didn’t matter anyway’.

That’s all you got cuz Kelly made his move and wasn’t vindicated. You haven’t displayed an ounce of intelligence.

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 10:31 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Just like I said, you’re in same camp who always bring up Vick. Debate long enough on any topic, his name comes out. You dudes must have have a hate shrine in your basements.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 10:32 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Again skayne I will use basic language… You can’t measure ( because it’s qualitative ) the negative impact desean brings. I’m sorry to use big words… But if it helps qualitative means you can’t measure it

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 10:36 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Skayne I’ve come to respect Vick… He redeemed himself. He is a decent man but the ones that idolize his ‘skill set’ (love that) are crazy

skayne
skayne
January 17, 2015 10:46 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Desean didn’t hurt in any way that prevented the Eagles from winning or having success. What we can quantify is how many times the Eagles made the playoffs with him, and how many times without. Like I said before, since you’re too slow to understand, if he must go you get value for him and control where he ends up. Kelly screwed up in every way on this matter. I’m pissed this guy is still in this division getting to abuse the horrible corners they defended all season long.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 11:32 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Numb nuts what don’t you understand ? No one wanted him except dam Snyder? Dan Snyder is a proven idiot! He goes after low character, high talent assholes and loses… wtf are you even talking about? Why didn’t all the teams a player or two from the SB come calling? Answer that question…

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 18, 2015 12:18 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Man I don’t know what angle you’re playing or what the hell you’re talking about but YOU brought race into this stop deflecting man if you can’t get into intelligent debates without bringing race into it. Stop debating again you sound foolish. TS, Kool and Songs don’t have shit to do with THIS discussion that YOU brought race into.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 1:30 pm

Randall: Eagles should do ‘whatever it takes’ to get Mariota

In 2015, the Eagles will have the 20th overall pick. They should not expect to have an opportunity to select the first quarterback. Or the second.

But if Cunningham had a choice, the Eagles would do whatever is possible to ensure they get Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota.

“Whatever team gets him is going to be great. I’d love to see him land in Philadelphia,” Cunningham said during a phone interview on Thursday’s edition of Philly Sports Talk.

“I think he’s going to do great. And whatever it takes — nothing against (Mark) Sanchez and the other quarterbacks there, but if somehow, someway Chip (Kelly) gets his boy there, whether through trade or whatever it takes and they protect him, he is the kind of leader you want in Philadelphia. He is not a talker, he’s not going to get in trouble or cause problems. He’s going to create unity.”

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 2:15 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

I listened to the interview, it was clear he had not watched 30 minutes of college football. Clearly he was just getting out there and saying philly friendly stuff to help raise money for his charity. It was complete blather …
Marietta will be tebow

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
January 17, 2015 2:57 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I kind of find it funny about the Mariotta love is that, from all accounts the guy is a super mild mannered never say anything guy. Lots of reports about how he’s not a “leader” etc.

So again, have to wonder what’s going to be the reaction of the Songs/Kool crew who constantly rail against Foles not being a “leader” because he isn’t an in your face rah rah guy, and from all accounts Mariotta is a mouse in the locker room.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 6:43 pm

he’s a better quarterback than Foles,so that’s good enough for me.

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 8:35 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Yes he is… In college… So was Russell, young, couch, Manziel and a bunch more… Of course those guys were better than Brady, flacco, breeze, Wilson, Krap, Rodgers etc… So what exactly is your point!

tua14768
tua14768
January 17, 2015 4:07 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Here is LeSean McCoy’s opinion on the quarterback situation in Philly.

Taken from NFL.com

“I like Nick. The person and player that everybody thought he was, he is,” McCoy said. “There were a lot of injuries this year, Nick, obviously got injured. He gets all of the blame and he shouldn’t. I think Nick’s a good quarterback. He’s the leader of our team. Just things didn’t work out for him this year due to injury, but we’ve got his back. As a team, we didn’t play well enough to win and to get into the playoffs.”

It sounds like McCoy and possibly other players are behind Foles.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 4:58 pm

Watching East-West Shribe and like the effort,energy by the following Players

1) DT -Xavier Williams (N Dakota St 6-2 320lbs)
2) Guard – John Miller (Louisville)
3) RB – Terrance Magee (LSU)
4) WR – Austin Hill (Arizona 6-2 212lbs)
5) WR – A Richards (Colo State 6-4 215lbs)
6) Safety – D Bonner (Va Tech 6-0 205lbs)
7) CB – J Gilmore (Tenn 5-10 186lbs)
8) DE – L Smith (Kentucky 6-4 275lbs)
9) OLB – T Washington (Oregon 6-3 245lbs)

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 5:24 pm
Reply to  paulman

I am watching too paul, so far I have liked the following players in addition to the ones you have mention:

1 S Damian Parms 6’1 210
2 cb Josh Shaw 6’0″ 201
3 LB James vaughter 6’2″ 258. would be a perfect fit for Eagles along side Kendricks.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 5:35 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Vaughter looks like a player
Josh Shaw coming off Surgery and missed most of 2014 with USC
But has nice size, pretty fluid

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 5:26 pm

Also, watching the QB from Vandy, Heinecki, that Kelly was talking to. This kid is pretty mobile, runs around and good pocket mobility. Like I said yesterday, he is GJ Kinne.

Stevo
Stevo
January 17, 2015 5:38 pm

Ok- still talking qb i see. Wow… looks like i missed a bunch.. lol.

Sign 2 CB’s and a SS… use the draft to add to the Oline and LB crew and find a qb to challenge Foles both in FA and Draft.

Next.

In other news.. both Vinnie and Songs are still here even though both lost bets and cant keep their word. Damn shame. Anyone who listens to them is a fool.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 6:48 pm
Reply to  Stevo

let’s make this clear buddy, I didn’t lose any bet here. That loser got injured before there was a chance for him to get benched so the bet was off. If that’s the case we can say Chip stayed with Foles even though Foles was able to play which means I won the bet. So, beat it!

jakedog
jakedog
January 17, 2015 7:08 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Songs you are a classless act

I defended your sorry ass in the Schiller wars

I know you. You go for the color of the skin.

You are just as vile if not more so than those who signed petitions to keep blacks out of professional sports

There is no other way to explain your nonsense.

Racist. Always Was.
Pig

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 5:40 pm

Another bonehead decision for Colts RB Trent Richardson who decides not to even travel with Team to New England after being told that he would be de-activated again
Who is going to sign this bozo & quitter , NFL a Career Over

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 5:48 pm

Redskins interviewing and expected to Hire Vic Fangio as their DC
With Secondary Coach Ed Donatello joining them (both from 49ers)
They also Hired Bill Callahan as OC away from Cowboys and have made the best Staff Changes in my opinion this Off-Season

Giants also Re-Hired Steve Spagnola as their DC

These other Teams are not standing idle as the Cowboys are the elite Team in the NFC East now….
What is Chip Kelly doing??
Standing still or status quo means falling behind In the NFL

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 17, 2015 6:07 pm

Exactly paulman..and why would Chip Kelly the day after the Giant game …feel the need to endorse bill Davis going forward? Knowing NFL DC s were about to grow on proverbial trees ,there for the picking..I find Chips timing quizzical ? Why not say we all bear responsibility for not making the playoffs and shut his pie hole and try to upgrade everything and evaluate everyone on his staff?

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 6:19 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

I think he’s still a bit immature on how he answers questions from media..
Obviously he could have, should have, stated that just like all the Players will be evaluated over the 2 weeks or so will all the Coach’s
The most bothersome thing about Davis is the continual issues of 3rd Down Defense, Red Zone and giving up Big Plays were there all Season long and are just a killer to an NFL Defense in terms of stopping anyone and winning games..
Sacks were up, Rushing Defense improved and Takeaways increased..
Unfortunately the deficiencies out weight the positives so to me, it’s a no brainier to let Davis go and pure a quality DC which now is too late for…

deserteagle
deserteagle
January 17, 2015 6:13 pm

Acceptance of mediocrity ..sends a cultural seismic shift to your locker room..”I think Bill Davis did a good job? ” well you had better hope that personnel was the reason and not the DC …and last point ..if B.Davis had creative juice ,why didn’t he try to have safety help rather than playing fletcher on an island? Perhaps chips naivety on the defensive side of the ball…perhaps he saw we led the nfl in X plays and looked at that stat as a positive ? God help us

kenkap
kenkap
January 17, 2015 6:23 pm

Simple answer. No.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 6:28 pm

Anthony Chikillo DE U of Miami will get a senior bowl invite based off of his play today.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 7:26 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Was very active, at 6-4 270lbs, looks to have potential as a rotational
Traditional DE in a4-3 Scheme
He does not have the size to play a 5 Technique as DE in 3-4
And is not athletic enough as a stand up OLB
Get him to a 4-3 Team as a pass rusher and has a shot

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 7:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

He actually played in a 3-4 at Miami. Have to see his agility during combine, maybe can play 3-4 OLB…he has the size and the quickness off the snap. I never watched him play prior to today so I can not say if he has the ability to be a pro 3-4 OLB.

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 10:25 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

He actually played Inside mostly while at Miami
Stated McCoy and had a nice week and appeared to be the quickest off the edge all week down in St Pete..
Biggy down in Florida can probably give a good scoop

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
January 17, 2015 10:30 pm
Reply to  paulman

Wow…ok, thanks for info paul, I will be watching his agility drills at combine. Big…you know anything about this U of Miami kid Anthony Chikillo?

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 18, 2015 12:10 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

He is a football player line him up and he makes plays, will beat you off the edge and set you up for quick inside move. Hate to use this term but high motor kid who will make plays sideline to sideline. Won’t know until the combine if he can play standing up.

tua14768
tua14768
January 17, 2015 11:03 pm

Here is evidence from more offensive players from the Eagles showing support for Foles. This time it is Jordan Matthews.

Courtesy of Fox Sports

“I have plenty of confidence in [Nick],” Matthews told FOXSports.com in a telephone interview on Friday. “I think everyone has seen the type of production he can have. Before he got hurt he was 6-2. It goes without saying what he did his first year when he got the opportunity to play a whole season. I believe he’s a great quarterback and our franchise quarterback.”

So we’re up to two. McCoy and Matthews show public support for Foles. I guess they aren’t really worried about the “sacrifice the franchise for Mariota” plan some people on here are dreaming about. At least the people who matter have common sense.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 17, 2015 11:13 pm
Reply to  tua14768

we’ll see won’t we?

haveacigar
haveacigar
January 17, 2015 11:28 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Well you boys on gcob. Certainly know more than they do….

paulman
paulman
January 17, 2015 11:55 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Nick Foles is who the Eagles & Kelly got for
2015.. It is what it is…
I can see Chip bringing in a Free-Agent QB
To compete for Back-up Position
And potentially Drafting one, but I see no
Major move up to Top #5 to get Mariotta
I would not be surprised to see a Jake Locker,
Thad Lewis, Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins or even Mark Sanchez
Back to compete for backup QB
Kelly should focus on his Defense and DC
& Staff

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
January 18, 2015 12:22 am
Reply to  paulman

So we as might as well kiss the hopes for contention good bye for another year, huh?

paulman
paulman
January 18, 2015 8:08 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Eagles are not making any Deep Playoff run in 2015 , regardless of who is at QB is, until they fix their Defense & Secondary

tua14768
tua14768
January 18, 2015 10:25 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Do you really feel as if we add a rookie quarterback to this team we automatically turn into a contender? Really? With this secondary? Seriously?

Biglion821
Biglion821
January 18, 2015 12:26 am
Reply to  tua14768

Hey tua, why wouldn’t they back him? The 2 QB’s on the roster are Foles and Barkley who they hell are they going to endorse, Mariota? Man oh man give the who’s the QB shit a rest. Hell he better have the support of all 52 dudes on the roster because Barkley sucks.