• November 28, 2022

Eagles Young CB’s Eric Rowe And Jaylen Watkins Continue To Struggle

It was a long night for the Eagles young cornerbacks at Met-Life Stadium.  The nickel back position is one of the few areas of the team that has yet to gel that will be counted on when the season starts on Monday September 14th.

Second-round draft pick Eric Rowe was overmatched in his man-to-man coverages.  He was beaten on deep go routes, on comeback routes and every other route he had run against him.  It’s very clear, that he’s not ready to play cornerback against good NFL receivers.

They thought he would be able to play the cornerback position because it’s based more athletic ability, than on having an extensive understanding of the defenses and the coverages.  He’s not ready to control the secondary and adjust to formation, shifts and motions.  Being a safety requires knowing the defensive coverages thoroughly. Rowe isn’t ready for that.  His coverage problems at cornerback, and lack of understanding of the defensive coverages will mean, Rowe’s biggest contributions will be for the Special Teams until he improves his man-to-man techniques.

He’s playing up too high, so late in the route, he can’t change direction.  I would like to see him get a better jam on the wide receivers.  He’s got the size and strength to delay the wide receivers releases.

The good things that Rowe did last night were on the Special Teams as a gunner. He also showed he can be a good open field tackler, which is a must to play the safety position.  If he continues to struggle at cornerback, they may have to be forced to move him to safety.  There’s no question that he is physical enough to play safety, but he’s got to gain a better command of the coverages.

Not only was Rowe in over his head, but cornerback Jaylen Watkins was also overmatched in his battle against the New York Jets backup wide receivers.  Yes, you read that right, the Eagles thought it was a good idea to trade Brandon Boykin to the Steelers, but they don’t have enough quality cornerbacks to deal with teams that play four wide receiver formations.

Remember that the Jets backup wide receivers are nothing to write home about.  These guys aren’t Pro Bowlers, yet they looked like it when they were playing against the Eagles cornerbacks, last night.  Watkins did pick off a pass late in the game, but it was an awful throw by the Jets quarterback.  It did show some promise, and may give Watkins a chance to make the team.

Another young cornerback and 2015 draft pick Randall Evans doesn’t seem to have the athletic ability to play the corner position at the NFL level.  I think he might be able to play safety, but I don’t know if he’s going to get the chance to play it with the Eagles.

Right now, it looks like the Eagles are going to be forced to have one of their safeties, probably Walter Thurmond, move inside to play the nickel back position.   One of the backup safeties will replace Thurmond at his safety position.

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seansyh
seansyh
September 4, 2015 8:49 am

I highly doubt Walter Thurmond changes his position at this point. He has really stepped up in that second safety spot and I bet they want to leave him there. If I were the Eagles I would look at the free agent market once teams start trimming their rosters to 53, then picking up a cornerback who we have some familiarity with.

If I were to guess, our Week 1 slot corner would be EJ Biggers if no player is signed. Although he is not very good, he atleast has the experience playing in the NFL and wouldn’t be overwhelmed by the moment. Still, this obviously presents a problem as many of the leagues offensive systems rely on the slot receiver making the big plays.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 9:32 am

As I said the other day, the secondary will continue to be the undoing of this team. Maxwell, until proven otherwise, is an average talent (38th of 75 rated by PFF). That needs to come up to top twenty. Carroll is a really nice back up option but a marginal starter. He has looked fine in preseason and could exceed expectations. He is a better player than Fletcher. Lovett and Davis (kind of) are just idiots. Trading Boykin became a huge mistake, the second Jacorey Shepperd tore up his knee. I knew losing Shepperd was going to turn out to be a bigger deal than people thought. When it happended I instantly thought here we go with a crushing injury before we even play a preseason game. We can stop worrying about holding our breath on offense for Bradford. We can just hold our breath the whole game worrying about Bradford, both starting corners, and the PK ripping his groin. This is a disaster waiting to happen and the good feelings after GB have receeded because this team has really lousy depth in some key areas. O line, Corner, OLB. On a final note, Mayock was really sounding like Spadaro last night defending Rowe. I am fairly sure, call it a hunch, that this kid cannot play CB in the NFL. He has not shown one ounce of potential so far and we should have seen something. Some glimmer. He looks like Jaquan Jarrett out there.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 9:38 am

That great run defense will mean absolutely nothing against Atlanta. With the way Ryan plays on opening day, a fresh enthusiasm from a new coach and being at home, I make the Eagles (+7). Ryan will throw for 300+, the pass defense will start close to where they left off between 29-32, and we will be 0-1. Atlanta 34 Eagles 20. Dallas can pretty much cripple our season in week two by reducing us to an 0-2 team that can only now vie for the wild card.

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 10:18 am
Reply to  jbird

Ryans could have a 400 Yard Day they way he and their 1st Unit Offense has looked this Summer … WR’s Julio Jones, Roddy White, and former Redskins Bust Leonard Hankerson who has looked real good this Summer and they also added a Rookie named Justin Hardy from East Carolina who has also looked real good this Summer
Falcons TE’s are Jacob Tamme, Tony Moeaki and Youngster Levine Toilolo who is from Stanford and 6-8′ – 265lbs
I would not sleep on the Falcons Running Game as Rookie Draft Pick Tevin Coleman at 6-1 210lbs is healthy and looking good to go along with Speedy/Scat Back Devonta Freeman who is like their Darren Sproles Type and dangerous in the open field, screens, wheel routes, and then Veteran tough guy Antone Smith who is good in short-yardage/red-zone situations

I expect this Game to be pure Offense with neither Defense stopping the other Teams Offense much so it will come down to who scores TD’s and who settles for FG’s and of course Turnovers will determine which Offense gets the ball more times to score more…

If Eagles Kicker Kevin Parkey can’t go, I give the Edge to the Falcons
for Eagles will have to take more chances with their Play calling and have to go for it on 4th downs more often than they would like on the Road

I see a 41-37 Type of Game .. Converting 2 Point Plays will be huge and possibly determine the Winner ..

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 9:38 am

Eric Rowe should be moved to his Natural Position of Safety and plan on being a back-up this Season to learn behind Malcolm Jenkins & Walter Thurmond with plans for competing and taking over for Thurmond in 2016

If Eagles Move Rowe back to Safety then Eagles Need at Least 1 CB and maybe 2 Rowe was recruited at Utah as a Safety and Played Safety his first 3 Seasons for them and then switched to CB his final Season..
He does not have the natural fluid movements in his Hips to change directions and position quick enough to play CB at the NFL Level..
I’ve stated from Day 1 when Drafted that Eric Rowe should be groomed at Safety with 2016 in mind and have him compete as Back-up and Special Teams in 2015 and I still think this is the best route for him to be a major contributor down the road.. CB is the most difficult Position to crack at the NFL for a Rookie outside of QB in my opinion and is rare that a Rookie makes an impact at CB and especially one with as little experience on the outside as Eric Rowe has since hi played mostly Safety in College

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 9:52 am

The Eagles back end deficiencies ,once again make the coaching,or lack of ,the culprit once again .Who sold Chip on moving Boykin? Take a guess ..his name starts with bill …what’s disconcerting ,is that the lack of an apparent pass rush ,as we’ll as a back end with holes is a recipe for disaster ..When do we tire of this act ? Chip?

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 10:20 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Totally agree desert. I said as much the other day. The pass defense has not only not been “fixed.” I question whether it was even improved? Our pass rush is average at best. And the secondary remains average. Carroll is a slight upgrade and so is Maxwell, but the depth took major downturn. Watkins sucks and Rowe is not an NFL corner. I think he can be a very good safety eventually, but they will ruin his confidence and career if they continue with this corner charade. Everything Mayock said to defend him last night was bullshit.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 10:25 am

If I was Chip, I would have grossly over paid for a real stud and not an avaerage player. Give McCourty $12M. Belichick would have never matched that. Then sign a second level corner like Kareem Jackson or older guy like Cromartie.

clemenza
clemenza
September 4, 2015 10:28 am

I would never have traded the best slot cover guy in the NFL Brandon Boykin,one of the most foolish things I have seen Chip do as you can NEVER have enough good pass defenders in this passing league

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 10:31 am

Two words. Julio jones …BOO

seansyh
seansyh
September 4, 2015 10:37 am

You guys are mentally disturbed if you really think the Atlanta Falcons are going to put up that many points on our defense which I agree is average to slightly above average. They have 0 run game. And I mean 0. Tevin Coleman has looked average against second stringers in the pre season. He wont rush for more that 70 yards against our defensive front. Now you’re saying 30+ Roddy White who is slow and has been hampered by leg injuries, Leonard Hankerson who is dreadful at running routes and has bad hands, and Jacob Tamme are going to beat us all game long? NO SHOT. Julio Jones is their only decent weapon and Maxwell will be on him all game. I can see him have 80+ yards and a TD, but hes not going to go Dez Bryant on our secondary.

Don’t even get me started about the mismatches on Offense. They are soft up front, and will tire out over the course of the game. We will win this game by 14+ points I guarantee it. 41-17 is my prediction. I’m more worried about the OLB depth than CB depth.

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 11:31 am
Reply to  seansyh

Maxwell is not enough to slow Julio Jones down, not even close..

Falcons Defense is Improved and has a Decent Secondary with
CB’s Desmond Trufant, Robert Alford & Phillip Adams with Draft Pick Jalen Collins playng in Nickel Packages
Safeties are William Moore and Charles Godfrey

Their DL is Improved with Pass Rushers Vic Beasley,Koy Biermann,Adrian Clayton and Tyson Jackson at the DE Positions
DT’s Babineaux, P Soliai and 2nd Year Rashed Hageman will Rotate on the Inside

OLB’s have James Durant for Pass Coverages and O’Brien Schofield as their designated Pass-Rusher and Youngster MLB Paul Worrilow roaming the Inside as they just Lost OLB Brooks Reed to Injury and are very young and inexperienced behind these guys

Falcons will generate a better Pass-Rush on that Domes Quick Surface
than they have the last few Seasons so this will be no slam-dunk type of game.. Eagles Should be able to Run the Ball effectively right at them between the Tackles, if they do early and often they should tire them out and then hit them over the Top for some big plays later in the Game but Falcons CB’s D Trufant is one of the best Young Cover CB’s in the NFL and dangerous and you don’t want to attack his side… Eagle TE’s & Backs out of the backfield should have Big Games..

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 10:48 am

Seansy…Monday night on the road Vegas has it at 54/55 points total and -1…they do this for a living ..for a reason ..

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 11:08 am

Three things idiot Davis needs to do if he doesn’t want to be a position coach next year. More Kendricks (or Alonso) A gap blitzes and drop the OLBs. More Curry on the field period. Put him at fucking safety for all I care! Just don’t put your best damn pass rusher on the bench for two thirds of the snaps! The third is beyond his control, but Cox HAS to get more sacks. I can’t put him #2 behind Watt when he doesn’t get sacks in a “passing league!” He is terrific and I know what he means to the defense. But he has to do a little more rushing the passer. We need 8-10 from him this year or it will be same old shit on pass defense.

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 11:15 am

Eagles bleeding green cuts. Moffitt..mihalik..

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 11:19 am

The physicality of our corners would be a great start,but JBird you’re correct ,we must quicken the pace of the QB to release the ball and not let him survey the landscape vs.our slot cover and safety’s deep.I think the linebackers will be utilized in various ways and I wouldn’t discount a 4-3 alignment ..why are we so sold on not putting our best players on the field as many times as feasible?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
September 4, 2015 11:20 am

Braman, Marcus Smith and Jones aren’t good enough — the eagles have to add an edge rusher from the scrap heap of 53 roster casualties.

seansyh
seansyh
September 4, 2015 11:21 am

I understand that desert, and as we know Vegas is scary good at predicting the lines for the game. It’s just you look on paper, for the most part, the falcons have the same offense players and will be running the same offensive scheme. We can get a good feel of what they do based on previous games film.

Now for the Eagles, they have a new QB, 2 new RB’s, and a new WR, but unlike many people, I see that as a very good thing. What teams saw last year on tape and what they see this year will be very different and it will be difficult for teams to game plan early on. I’m comparing this game to the 09/09/2013 Redskins game that was a Monday night game as well. The Redskins were favored -3.5 in that game. If it wasnt for some stupid plays at the end of that game, we would have won by 20 points. I think a similar scenario will play out in Atlanta, as their home field fans are some of the worst in the league and Chip Kelly’s up tempo offense will be playing indoors on a turf field. I expect us to roll.

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 11:25 am
Reply to  seansyh

Seansyh..I’m all with you .Id love a laugher ,but the NFL has so few ,taht it’s an aberration ,when they occur.Im not sold on Atlanta as a contender ,but we all know of the many moving parts the Eagles are attempting to integrate and usually that comes with a learning curve.Im hopeful for a W ..I’ll take it any way or fashion.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 11:33 am
Reply to  deserteagle

Like I said above, a loss in ATL puts Dallas in a position to end the division race before it starts (not to mention all hopes of a bye). We are not good enough to overcome 0-2 and still win 11 or 12 games.

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
September 4, 2015 11:38 am

Davis damn sure should be included in this..the spotlight needs to be placed on this cat, this season! Not taking away from the poor defensive play of the DB’s at times. But Davis needs to be called out this season! His inability to come up with strategies to generate a pass rush and get sacks is getting old. QB feeling pressure is much different than feeling a hit.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 12:03 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

Hey Real. Been a while. I totally agree. Davis needs to be fired if that D finishes anywhere in the bottom eight this year. But if you talk about what’s getting old. What is getting old is not being able to generate a pass rush with four dudes for almost a quarter of a century!! We never won a SB under Andy because we always had to blitz. And you can’t beat elite QBs by blitzing. And you can’t win it all without beating an elite QB.

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 11:42 am

Eagles 53 Man Roster

Special Teams (3) Parkey,Jones and DOnebros

Offense – (24)
QB (2) Bradford & Sanchez
RB (4) Murray,Matthews,Sproles & Barden
TE (3) Celek,Ertz & Burton
WR (6) Matthews,Agholor,Cooper,Austin, Huff & Bailey
OL (9) Peters,Barbree,Kelce,Gardner, LJ with Tobin, Kelly, Molk & Bunche

Defense (26)
DL – (7) Cox,Logan,Thornton, Curry, Hart,B Allen & Bair
LB – (9) Barwin,Kendricks,Ryans,Graham,Alonso,Hicks,Brad Jones, MS2
CB – (5) Maxwell, Carroll, Biggers, Watkins & Waiver Pick-up
Safety (5) M Jenkins, W Thurmond, C Maragos, Rowe & Waiver Pick-up

I could see another DB added instead of keep DL Brandon Bair..
Remember the NFC East Teams are loaded at WR’s and the Cowboys,Giants, & Redskins all Runs lots of 3 & 4 Receiver Sets as part of their Offenses
You have to build your Roster on how to Win your Division first

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 11:49 am
Reply to  paulman

Interesting cutting both Qbs is not something I see chip doing .His mindset allows for tebow to be his chemistry experiment in my opinion.Might even be as simple as wanting to show what Bellicheat couldn’t resurrect ,chip,could.We need a defensive pass rush specialist ,isn’t curry that guy? So far Bill Davis has to show me that having 26 guys on his defense isn’t a luxury (with lack of a scheme) we can’t afford.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 11:49 am
Reply to  paulman

Hey Paul. You miscounted. You had 9 OLBs but only listed 8. You have room for one more guy. I don’t think they will keep Bailey and he could end up being the next Jimmy Smith. Not necessarily that good but a real productive guy we let go. He won’t get to the practice squad.

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 11:55 am
Reply to  jbird

To JBird – I forgot to count Braman in as the 9th LB for his Special Teams

To Desert – “Things Have Changed” as Dylan Wrote
I just don’t see any Upside keeping Barkley or Tebow as a 3rd QB which you can’t afford to keep on the “Active List” on Game Days anyways..
Hell, Kelly can simply bring back QB GJ Kinnie for the Practice Squad to run the Scout Teams for Practice

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 11:58 am
Reply to  paulman

Correction – I counted Braman in as the 9th LB but forgot to list his Name..

We could see one of the LB’s start on Short Term IR list (Ryans or MS) to buy a few weeks and add another DB as things shake out..

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 12:00 pm
Reply to  paulman

Chips ego matters ..Dylan “blowing in the wind”

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 11:42 am

Chip has been great on opening day and he has had a team that was horribly unprepared on opening day. Its anybody’s guess. If we would have been playing even a medicore team last year we would have been thoroughly embarassed. It largely depends on what version of Bradford we get. If he is anything close to GB, the Eagles should win without much trouble. If he is nervous and off target, it could be a bad start to the season. Someone mentioned ATL running game sucks. Who ever said they would bother running?? Ryan can throw it fifty times and probably will. I would if I were them. The Eagles pass defense stinks until proven otherwise. They sucked against Luck and Hunley. Its not just the back ups.

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 11:51 am

Chimp you’re flipping and flopping again..you had Barkley beating out tebow ,now you have them both being cut ..is that a personal ass saver?

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 11:57 am

JBird ..it’s not even week one and you’re handing the cowgirls the NFC east ,with U.S. In the debris of an assumed 0-2 start.Dallas losing Murray ,is huge .Jerry jones arrogance will bite him in the ass.The spotlight now on Romo with a less prodigious running game will be his and there unsettling.They also have signed a culture of dudes that have 16 weeks to toe the line..many have not been so ardent in that pursuit..relax,it’s a long season and the frost hasn’t even shown its face ..the cowgirls are not…running (literally) away with anything

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 12:02 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

49ers Just Released 34 Year Old DL Darnell Dockett who is probably at the end of the line but could fit as a Rotational Player for a Team in need but not for the Rebuilding 49ers who are going Young, Young, Young..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
September 4, 2015 1:16 pm
Reply to  paulman

Eagles could not block Dockett in that NFC Championship game. He was the most dominate player in the playoffs that season when the Cards lost to the Steelers in the Superbowl.

zilents44
zilents44
September 4, 2015 11:58 am

Jbird they did vanilla defenses in pre season u need to calm down….we will blitz that twrrible oline with no run game all night long…..jesus yawl tripping this morning, if yawl think a redskin reject a wideout a old and oft injured roddy white, and a bunch of olinemen playing TE are going to beat us. ….come on this game will be over fast…..guaranteed, but we have to look for some cb help now, will davis from miami is available, move carroll to slot and put davis on outside

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 12:09 pm
Reply to  zilents44

I felt so positive last week but these back up corners scare me. They are f-ing HORRIBLE!!!

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 12:07 pm

To DesertEagle

We will see 5-6 QB’s Released around the NFL

Bills – Matt Cassell or EJ Manuel – 1 will be gone
Packers – Scott Tolzien or Blanchard – 1 will be gone
Panthers – Joe Webb
Redskins – RG3 ?
Jets – Geno Smith or Matt Flynn ?

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 12:11 pm

Belicheck states that QB Jimmy Garrapolo will Start versus the Steelers and Play 1 Series and then be replaced by Tom Brady. Belicheck says Garrapolo has deserves to Start after preparing all Summer.. Belicheck says he just may do this for the first 4 Games just to give a shot back to Roger Goodell

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 12:15 pm
Reply to  paulman

Chips ego matters ..he has bigger fish to fry ..than disgruntled released QBs that hold a clipboard

RealTalk777
RealTalk777
September 4, 2015 12:36 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

I think our best chance of filling that void is watching out for players that are released by some of the top defensive passing teams…Like Seattle, KC, Buffalo, San Diego, San Fran…

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 12:39 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

It’s interesting to think we can create a positive by subtraction from taking half seattles back end ,and taking Demarco Murray from an NFC east opponent ..if you can’t beat em ..join em ..

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 12:47 pm
Reply to  RealTalk777

Teams to Look for decent DB’s off the Waiver Wire

Panthers,Bengals,Chiefs,Jets, Cardinals, Broncos & Vikings

Dee Millner could be a Salary-Cap Casualty for the Jets
Captain Munnerlyn could be for the Vikings

Just about every other Team is looking for DB Help

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 12:16 pm

I throw this out there ..can we trade mark Sanchez and get a cover corner ,and roll with tebow if Sam I am ,ain’t.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 12:25 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Not a bad thought. But who has corners and needs a better back up QB? What does a good #2 QB fetch for a corner? Nnamdi coming out of retirement might be better than Rowe and Watkins. Seriously! They suck that bad.

haveacigar
haveacigar
September 4, 2015 12:36 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

If Sam I am ain’t….. it really doesn’t matter who is at corner…

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 12:22 pm

I guess its possible to overcome these deficiencies and still be really good. What it really comes down to is you have to be extra special in some areas. Elite QB, killer D, offensvie machine, terrifying pass rush. The problem the Eagles have always had is that they have been either solid to prety good in most areas or tremendous strengths were offset by horrible deficiencies. I.e. Buddy having a legendary defense but no O line or running game. Andy having an all-star secondary with no pass rush (unless all out blitz) and no ability to stop the run and make teams throw. What will really make these things we worry about not matter as much is this. Can we have an offensive machine?? Not top 5-10. Top 1-2 where the points are commensurate with the yards and the RZ is 60-65% TDs. If we are going to set our selves apart we cannot just be pretty good on offense. We have to be scary good because the defense being 16th-20th is about all we can hope for.

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 12:32 pm

Pete Carroll re-United with Mark Sanchez and cam chancellor helps the endeavor of Phillys defense .mmm

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 1:12 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

That would be beautiful. He is the one that brings the BOOM. Sherman and Thomas don’t really hit people

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 12:33 pm

The money is about the same …it’s my Xmas in sept,wish..

zilents44
zilents44
September 4, 2015 12:34 pm

Too much money for a back up desert…..it would have to include picks

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 12:36 pm

Picks for chancellor and Sanchez works for me ..you z?

zilents44
zilents44
September 4, 2015 12:39 pm

Yea of course,….shit we can always get a back up on the street

zilents44
zilents44
September 4, 2015 12:41 pm

More like you cant beat em take em….lol

zilents44
zilents44
September 4, 2015 12:53 pm

Captain munnerlyn would be a excellent choice great slot corner

zilents44
zilents44
September 4, 2015 12:54 pm

If we stand pat with these dbs I will very upset we gotta find a decent slot corner

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 1:06 pm

Pman if chancellor played safety realign our back end as you’d see it ..

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 1:29 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

That would be nice DE if the Eagles had Chancellor

Chancellor at Strong Safety – Malcolm Jenkins at Free Safety (which his Best Position)
CB’s – Maxwell & Carroll with Thurmond as a Slot CB (which his Best Position)

Now your Talking a Top 10 Secondary – Pass Defense

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 1:39 pm
Reply to  paulman

Exactly Pman. And add to that the front 7 ,and we have a Super Bowl team IF SAM ,can stand the rigors of a long campaign ..perhaps on a shortened field RZ chip implements tebow to take the hits that Sam won’t need take ..as RZ hits are more likely than 2nd and 3rd (manageable downs and distance) where the defense can’t be as predictably pinning there ears back..we finally replace BDawk and Sanchez traded butt fumbles us to a Super Bowl ..like I said Xmas in September ..

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 1:10 pm

Eagles would rationalize Chancellor doesn’t fit their system. Seattle would never trade him anyway. Has anyone besides me ever wondered if Kendricks could be a safety if he dropped ten pounds. The dude is crazy fast and can hit. Plus he finds the ball. He has similar size to Chancellor and I know he is as fast.

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 1:26 pm
Reply to  jbird

Kendricks would not make an NFL Safety, He’s poor enough back-pedaling as it is, at the LB Level trying to cover TE’s and Slot CB’s .. Imagine him trying to cover Wideouts 20-30 Yards down the Field… No Way..

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 1:32 pm
Reply to  paulman

Pman you always know the technicalities. I give you props for that.

Stevo
Stevo
September 4, 2015 1:36 pm
Reply to  jbird

Jbird… Kendricks does not have the speed to cover a WR… and the eagles dont need him to rush the qb from the SS position. His best attribute is finding the path to the QB or making teams think he is and picking off a ball over the middle to a TE. He stays at LB and shines.

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 1:11 pm

A Veteran Back-Up QB (Sanchez) has no real Value until a Team who thinks they are in the Playoff/Post-Season Hunt Incurs an Injury and has to make a Deal for one.. but that’s only half the Teams and right now, no Starting QB is injured that I am aware of… But if Carson Palmer, Tony Romo, Russell Wilson, Peyton Manning went Down, then maybe the Phone would ring..
A Rebuilding Club or a Team with a young Back-up wih upside would have no interest in a Veteran Back-Up..

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 1:23 pm
Reply to  paulman

pman..if chancellor holds out ,and nobody blinks. Something is better than nothing ,and a RO QB casualty is more likely than not ..humor me

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 1:21 pm

Yeah and Wilson never gets hurt. And Seattle will eventually just pay him like they do with everybody else. Eventually they can have 8 guys that make 10-15 million and the rest can be rookies and veteran slop. I love to see things crumble! Okung is next. You gonna let your only good O lineman go? Nope. The money is running out.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 1:21 pm
Reply to  jbird

I meant pay Chancellor like everyone else.

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 1:28 pm

Fprosinski released

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 1:38 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

Prosinski really struggled the last 2 Games Playing at Safety..
I think Couplin makes it as that 5th Safety

In terms of the bottom 5-6 Roster Spots I think Kelly is not only looking at Players who excel on Special Teams, but they also must be quality Back-ups .. You can’t carry 3-4 Players on your Roster who may be good at Special Teams but expose you elsewhere
Can Rasheed Bailey do waht Seji Aijoutu does on Special Teams
Can Jerome Couplin do what Chris Prosinski does on Special Teams
Can Brad Jones do what Bryan Braman Does on Special Teams

If the Answer is Yes by Good Teaching & Coaching, I think we can all agree that the 3 Players I listed above are better Positional Players than those who they would be replacing which in turn updgrades the bottom end of the Roster..

Stevo
Stevo
September 4, 2015 1:33 pm

a few random thoughts as i read all these posts

1) Cox is a DE in a Hybrid 3-4… dont expect him to get a ton of sacks. His first job is to hold up his Olineman. He did that really well last year and often took a second OL or RB with him….
2) The worry about our pass rush is really not as big as some of you are making it. If the corners can press… even a little…. we should again be in the top 5.
3) Tebow makes the team. Im not really sure why anyone is even talking about this.
4) a 4th qb?? The birds had a chance to draft the Geno Smiths of the world and passed on them. Im not sure they would grab a 4th qb.. but hey… whatever.
5) PMAN needs to take his meds again. You sir are all over the place.
6) We will beat the Falcons. If i were the birds i would double Julio and let the rest of the team step up. If our LB’s cant stop the run game without a SS… well…. then we have a major problem anyway. I would not try single High safety against the falcons as a base D. No sir. if you take away the deep pass and make them beat you with short passes and runs…. i say we shine.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 1:39 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Steve all good points. Except the Cox angle is bullshit. I have been hearing it for two years. Bruce Smith, Leonard Marshall and JJ Watt get/got massive sacks in the same position. I am not asking for 15-20. I’m asking for ten. If he can’t give me that he is not quite the beast people make him out ot be. Still great but not All Pro great.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
September 4, 2015 1:42 pm
Reply to  Stevo

the eagles tv network and internet site head writer Dave Spadaro expressed concern last night along with Mike Mayock about the falcons will target Eric Rowe every time they need a first down. Easy pickings. Jenkins and Thurman are going to have to double Eric Rowe’s man leaving Julio Jones and or Roddy White single covered.

jbird
jbird
September 4, 2015 1:54 pm

Then why have Rowe out there at all?? Play single high safety and pit Thurmnond on the slot man and drop the ILBs who have great speed and cover skills into a shallow zone near the FD marker and bring five rushers.

greenfan
greenfan
September 4, 2015 3:40 pm
Reply to  jbird

Really makes you question the Boykin trade again. We had the slot covered with him, but unfortunately Boykin wanted to play outside. I hope that it does not come back to haunt us, but Rowe looks like a rookie and will get targeted everytime he steps on the field.

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 3:58 pm
Reply to  greenfan

**Falcons News***

Falcons have their Top 3 OL Injured and possibly out for Week #1 versus the Eagles in LT Jake Matthews (Back), Center Joe Hawley (Knee) & RG Jon Asamoah (Hip)

Right Now their Projected Starting OL versus the Eagles is as Follows

LT – Tyler Polumbus (Usually the Starting RT)
LG – Andy Levitre (Just Acquired Today from the Tennessee Titans)
C – James Stone (Usually the Back-Up to Starter Hawley)
RG – Chris Chester (Signed as a Free-Agent at the Start of Camp)
RT – Ryan Schrader (A Back-Up Making his 1st NFL Start)

This could be a real Struggle for this make-shift Falcons OL Unit

If and When the Falcons ever get Healthy OL they could be a pretty good
LT Matthews, LG Levitre, C Hawley, RG Asamoah & RT Polumbus
is a pretty good Group once they are up to speed and play together..

Eagles need to pounce and take advantage of their Injury situation

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 3:10 pm
Reply to  Stevo

No Meds for Me Steve..
I’ve been Tobacco, Alcohol and Caffeine-Free for 8 Months now..

By the Way, No NFL Team Keep 4 QB’s… Half the teams don’t even Keep 3 on the 53 Man Roster anymore..

Stevo
Stevo
September 4, 2015 5:30 pm
Reply to  paulman

Im with you Army. I dont get it….

Boykins was not that amazing last year…. no idea what these clowns were looking at. I wish we got more for him but…. W/E

We are MUCH better in the secondary… are we good? Dont know yet but we are MUCH better than we have been.

We are going to kill the falcons.

jayray823
jayray823
September 4, 2015 4:07 pm

Barkley traded to cardinals for conditional 7th round pick

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 4:46 pm
Reply to  jayray823

Eagles will get the Cardinals 7th Round Pick in 2016 If Barkley is on the Cardinals Roster for 6 Games over the 2015 Season.. Good Luck Matt

Eagles will now have the Following Draft Picks in 2016

1st Round
3rd Round
3rd Round (From Detroit)
4th Round
5th Round
5th Round (From Steelers)
6th Round
7th Round
7th Round (From Cardinals)

armyprince
armyprince
September 4, 2015 4:47 pm

So many experts on this site and Debbie damn downers. Let’s be controversial and pick the Falcons. Rowe is a bust already. We suck let’s cancel the season because Deion Boykin is gone. Sheesh I’m not saying be sheep but damn if our team issue is not having a nickel corner that is all pro. Sign me the hell up.

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
September 4, 2015 6:09 pm
Reply to  armyprince

excellent points armyprince…

deserteagle
deserteagle
September 4, 2015 7:51 pm
Reply to  koolbreeze

Leave it to you Kool to miss the point.Nobodys Debbie downer ,in fact there is a great vibe on this teams quick ascent.When the ones are in together ,especially on the defensive side of the ball ,a lot of new moving piece will be on display.I haven’t heard you disagree with the assessment that Bill Davis is on the clock.No excuses ,none.Chip put real skin in the game on that side of the ball.The linebackers we can envision a swarming ,physical bunch.However we haven’t seen that as a cohesive unit yet.The Boykin facts are apparent when shepherd was hurt we needed a known quantity at the slot.Knowingly chip cut bait and obviously would get input from Bill Davis .I think it’s obvious from the jets game and others that we may have miscalculated on plan B .If you watched the game ,it’s undeniable.Its a concern,it’s not my hair on fire.Ive watched the front play with a swagger ,I can envision a flying around physical group with holes on the back end.A Potent pass rush will be plausible with the athleticism and speed of the linebackers ,and I’d like see curry with his hand on the dirt ..heres what bothers me most ..we have Carroll (who had to be better than fletcher and company ) and in the esteem coaches assessment he never pulled either corner ,he ,somehow missed that .How does that measure up ,when you yourself said we’ve upgraded the defense over last year .Well if Carroll is an upgrade ,last I looked he was on last years roster ..We finished first in big plays given up..I’m tired of that .Im hoping he’s the coach he needs to be ..I haven’t seen it yet .Thats my only concern ,and ,health of course..I see double digits wins if SAMs Indian name is “standing at the end” ..

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
September 4, 2015 11:25 pm
Reply to  deserteagle

your whining again deserteagle…your so anxious to bash me your not even reading what’s said..it was armyprince who made the point about ‘debbiedowners’ and Boykin…not me. The ‘upgrade’ is obvious…its Maxwell and Thurmond instead of Nate Allen and Bradley Fletcher. We are not going to be the Seattle shutdown defense but we will be better with a more potent offensive and excellent special teams. Every team has weaknesses…no one is perfect…but the level of panic over losing an average player like Boykin is ridiculous…Stop whining..relax…we will be ok..better than last year on defense good enough to win. The sky is not falling! Damm

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 5:43 pm

Chip Kelly Announces the Signing of Slot CB ArmyPrince…
Details on Terms to be Released later on … 🙂

armyprince
armyprince
September 4, 2015 10:47 pm
Reply to  paulman

Hey Paul if chip didnt want boykin he damn sort dont want my short fat ass. im vince wilfork with all the weight and no talent lol. Hey Paul you going to the Panther vs Eagles game? Im going and I know other Eagles fans are coming up for that Sunday Night game

paulman
paulman
September 4, 2015 11:00 pm
Reply to  armyprince

Good one Army…
I am still working on getting Tix for that Game and will let you know..
Do u have your Tix already .

armyprince
armyprince
September 5, 2015 3:15 am
Reply to  paulman

paulman I bought my tickets in may from seatgeek. they promise they will be here before the game. still waiting

paulman
paulman
September 5, 2015 10:22 am
Reply to  armyprince

I have a friend who has Season Tickets who is working on getting me two…
Hopefully he comes thru.. I’m about 2 hours North of Charlotte..

zilents44
zilents44
September 4, 2015 5:48 pm

Ty army….we need help with slot cb but falcons have no chance….we will blow them out

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
September 4, 2015 6:08 pm

oh boy…you guys are all doom and gloom..smh…the question will come down to can we get pressure on Ryan…if we do…our secondary has improved just enough to buy us some time…teams will score on the Eagles…we are not shutting everyone on…we just need to be solid against the run, get some pass rush and be competent on the back end…if we do that…we are fine…we may also need to pick up another vet
Relax and stop with the panic…will be ok