• May 17, 2022

Notes From The Phillies’ 10-4 Loss To Cleveland

Matt Cain,The Philadelphia Phillies had their three-game winning streak snapped on Wednesday afternoon, falling the Cleveland Indians 10-4. Their record drops to 19-22.

  • Cole Hamels had a poor outing today, allowing five runs in five innings. It’s the first time Hamels has given up more than three runs in a start since April 4th. He gave up home runs to Mike Aviles and Nick Swisher, and also allowed three doubles.
  • Jimmy Rollins had a nice game at the plate, driving in three runs. Rollins came up with a big two-out double in the fifth inning that scored two runs and got the Phils back in the game.
  • Chase Utley, Michael Young, and Ryan Howard went a combined 0-9.
  • John Mayberry had another productive offensive game, going 2-3 and scoring two runs.
  • Chad Durbin was the first pitcher to take over for Hamels. Durbin quickly recorded two outs in the sixth inning, but allowed a walk to pitcher Cory Kluber and a base hit to Drew Stubbs, forcing the Phillies to lift him in favor of Jeremy Horst. Horst gave up a two-run single to Asdrubal Cabrera.
  • Phillippe Aumont threw a scoreless seventh inning. He’s now had five straight scoreless appearances, although they’ve all come in garbage time.

Final Thoughts

The tough-luck season for Cole Hamels continues. When he’s at his best, the offense is MIA. When he gets some decent run support, he’s off of his game on the mound.

The Indians have dominated the Phillies’ three aces. They’ve scored a combined 19 runs off of Hamels, Cliff Lee, and Roy Halladay in three games against them.

Before the game, the team announced that they had agreed to terms with pitcher Carlos Zambrano on a minor league contract. Zambrano was once a solid major-league starter, turning in a number of strong seasons for the Chicago Cubs. He struggled last season with the Miami Marlins, going 7-10 with a 4.49 ERA. Teams have also had issues with his personality over his career.

Zambrano was signed to give the team some veteran depth for the rotation. If Tyler Cloyd falters as the team’s fifth starter, Zambrano could very well take his spot in the rotation some time over the next month. It’s a low-risk signing that could potentially help the team, so I’m alright with the move. The signing is comparable to the move the team made several years ago when they brought in Pedro Martinez.

 

 

Denny Basens

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22 Comments

  • Hamels may end up with a disastrous Season and effect his fragile pshyche..
    His Record should be better than it is (like Cliff Lee of a Season ago) but it is what it is and he he may end up with 12-15 Losses with single Digit Wins this Season..

    • his record prob should be better than it is, but for a fact all his other statistics should be way better than it is. HIS ERA & WHIP and K’s are what he can control and they arent up to par with his paycheck right now thats for sure.

      with each passing game im seeing the 2009 cole not the cole of the last 3 years. disappointing

  • Hey Denny lets get it straight here, if Cole were an ace it would be a far different result, this guy is a joke, he got lucky in 2008, he’s ball less, we need big Roy, let the fem play at no three

    • He got lucky in 2008? He must have also got lucky in 2007, 2010, 2011 and 2012 then too. Career ERA 3.39. 8.5K/9IP. Yep that guy stinks.

      He is off to a bad start this year. Sure. His ERA this year is really reflective of 3 bad starts. He hasn’t been ace-like, but nor has the offense scored any runs for him either.

      • Hamels is a Solid Pitcher and a Top-End of the Rotation type of PItcher..
        Is he a Dominant, Shut you down type of Pitcher, No, but he’s been pretty consistent in his performance and health over his Career and can get on stretch’s where he can be dominant but the 2 things that have bothered me about him 5 years ago still bother me in 2013
        1) Is he mentally strong enough, to shrug off bad calls,error’s behind him or a tough inning or poor outing.. I think Hamels has improved in this area,but unfortunately, with the bad-luck,lack of run support this Season seems to have brought out the old Pouty,Whiny Hamels which no one likes to see..
        2) Hamel’s continue’s to waster too many Pitch’s to non-threating batters.. Way too many time he jumps ahead 1-2 obver a 7,8 or even opposing Pitcher, Trust your stuff and go right after them and mow them down and be done with it.. He runs way too many deep counts over a course of a game, now I understand to big hitters, you have a game plan and a pattern to pitch to based on many things.. but when you see Hamels give like to a .210 Hitter by getting cute with his Pitches, it just burns me up.. Go at the Batter and smoke him out…

  • Cole Hamels sucks, boo his ass

  • Cole seems to be another on the roster, that got his contract, & now has the Ahh f^#@ its, like the rest of the mutts!

  • Something drastic has to be done, to bring these turds up to speed, & I’m not just talking about firing the lame duck manager.

  • Someone making our roster decisions clearly doesn’t give a fuck if we win or lose otherwise Raul Valdes wouldn’t be on the roster. It’s almost like someone in the front office has a couple million on phillies under 85 wins this year.

  • cole hamels is just not an ace, anyway you slice it, the phils have been teetering for awhile, this was a game they needed from their ace and he didn’t show, he’s not the pitcher to carry the team, he needs guys in front of him to do that, then he’s comfortable and will win you games, some big games but not as the front man, no way, no how

    Brett Myers was a better ace than hamels, even though his stuff wasn’t as good

    • You could be right jake & that would be a crying shame! Anyway it’s sliced, Ruin 2morrow Jr. is 2 years past his expiration date. I don’t care what anyone says, they need to start making trades now! And I’m not talking about desperate moves, like signing asylum escapees. It’s time to fire Booben, have Proefrock take over, & start laying groundwork, for a Giancarlo Stanton trade, & trades for Lee, Papelstiff, Rollins, Utley, Chooch, both Youngs & even the Big POS. If they have to swallow $$$, so be it. It’s better than paying them $20M+ to suck money nuts. Cut Durbin,Valdes & Bastardo. Bring up Ruf, Ashe, Hernandez, Stutes, Joseph, when he recovers from his concussion, Diekman, Morgan, & Martin, Enough is enough, with this bogus garbage!

      • I wouldnt argue with anything you said except for bringing up Joseph.He is nowhere close to MLB ready

    • I have stated the same Jake for 5 Years and got hammered every time I did..
      Hamels is a Solid #2 or #3 Pitcher, Not an Ace.. He just doesn’t trust his stuff enouth like a 6-7 Year Veteran should at his Stage of his Career and get’s down on himself and Teammates way too easliy.. I have always gotten back to his lack of “Mental Toughness” and it’s beginning to show more and more this Season as he has had some some tough breaks, but that’s the way it goes in Professional Sports.. You have to have thick skin and want it more than your opponent does and suck it up when the ride gets rough.. He appears unable to do this with any consistentcy..

  • If you want to say that he is not an ace, I guess I can see your point, but you now have him as a solid #3 SP? What rotations are you comparing him too?

    Jake- if you are going to completely remove 2008 which I think is assinine that I am going to completely remove 2009. Look at the playoff games since then.
    2011 @ STL – 6 IP, no ER, 8Ks= win.
    2010 @ CINC – CGSO
    2010 @ SF – 6IP, 3 R (2ER)

    So I suppose that you are going to focus on the loss to SF and not the 2 wins.

    I suppose that Matt Cain is a really solid #3 SP too then because has had a rougher start than Hamels has. Look at his stats Pman and you will realize how ridiculous your comments are.

    • He’s a #2 or a #3 I stated Bugs, depending on what Rotation
      Your talking about..

  • LMFAO I didnt know Tyler Cloyd went back down but a nice showing from him today:

    3.1 innings pitched
    11 hits
    7 earned runs

  • “The tough-luck season for Cole Hamels continues. When he’s at his best, the offense is MIA. When he gets some decent run support, he’s off of his game on the mound.”

    I would suggest this, and maybe I’m reading too much into the situation: Is there a problem between Cole Hamels and his team mates?

    As you say, in 2009, he had a tough season, and the problem may have started there…Hamels, just being honest, stated he was ‘waiting for the season to end’ and this might have caused some problems with the core position players such as Utley, Rollins, Howard…Maybe they looked at Hamels as a ‘pussy’ or ‘prima donna’…I may be very wrong here, but through most of Hamels career, as the story says, the Phillies offense has been MIA when Hamels takes the mound…Is this a co-incidence?

    I think that Hamels is mentally tough, but I’m sure he is/has been pissed at his team mates for not supporting him with the bats…

    Yesterday, he just didn’t pitch well.

    The downfall of any good pitcher who fails to perform at the ‘next level’ consistency is ‘nibbling’…You have to challenge hitters, and throw strikes and not be afraid…It takes a certain mental toughness for this.

    I like the Zambrano signing.

    Zambrano has had ‘personality issues’?…Good, this team has no personality any more, except to accept losing.

  • DCar
    May 16, 2013 – 11:34 am

    “You could be right jake & that would be a crying shame! Anyway it’s sliced, Ruin 2morrow Jr. is 2 years past his expiration date. I don’t care what anyone says, they need to start making trades now! And I’m not talking about desperate moves, like signing asylum escapees. It’s time to fire Booben, have Proefrock take over, & start laying groundwork, for a Giancarlo Stanton trade, & trades for Lee, Papelstiff, Rollins, Utley, Chooch, both Youngs & even the Big POS.”

    You see this?…He is basically right: the Phillies need some ‘shakin’ and bakin’…Howard, Rollins, Utley are all high priced vets who have accepted losing…They’re all cool, calm and collected because they have millions coming in and in the bank…Time for some house cleaning.

    • frank, I agree with you, almost 100%. But adding Zambrano IS NOT an answer. He’s a lunatic, & can not pitch anymore. PERIOD! It’s a desperation move, by an inept GM, trying to convince himself, that the decrepit nucleus can still win. It’s a f^#@ing joke! The GM needs to go, & the team needs to be blown up, IMMEDIATELY!!!!!

  • I’m surprised Hamels is having the struggles he’s having; I was under the impression he had a decent spring and his velocity was fine. His control is just awful. He leads the NL in losses, walks allowed, and he’s top 5 in HR allowed.

    I loved Cole in 2008, but I still haven’t gotten over 2009. If he had been half-decent we would have repeated. Now he just looks bad when we really need him to be at his best.

  • Trade Hamels to the West Coast, maybe Anaheim Angels for OF Josh Hamilton and a IF Prospect and maybe both Players with a new Scenery can Perform like they used to..

  • Great points dcar, frank and emoney

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