• December 5, 2022

Michael Sam Must Play Well And Emphasize Winning

Illinois v MissouriMissouri All-American defensive lineman Michael Sam, who will be a part of this year’s NFL draft revealed to ESPN during an interview yesterday that he is gay.  He’s expected to be drafted in the third or fourth rounds of this year’s draft.  I was on the WIP Morning Show earlier this morning and talked about the Sam situation.

The intense competition of the NFL will help Sam, if he’s a good player.  It will hurt him if he’s not a good player.

How he has sex and whoever he has sex with isn’t a part of the job description of a NFL.  I know there are going to be groups and media people, who will try to promote Sam because of what he does in the bedroom, but that’s not going to work in the NFL, unless he is a good player.  You don’t make it in the NFL because of what you do in the bedroom.

There’s not another player in the league, who is on the roster of a team because of his sex life, so Sam isn’t going to get a free pass because of his sex life.  He must be able to get the job done on the field. What he does in his bedroom is his business.

I think Sam will be able to have a career in the NFL as long as he is a good player.  If he is a good player, it will take care of everything else.  At the same time, if he’s not a good player, his coaches and teammates won’t want him around and I don’t care what anybody else says, it won’t work.

If Sam can get off blocks and make tackles for losses he will be accepted.  If he can come around the corner and sack the quarterback, he will celebrated by his teammates.  If Sam is getting pushed around and can’t get to the quarterback, he will be shown the door.

The NFL is so competitive that the teams, front offices, coaches and players don’t have time to be fighting for causes that hurt the team.  If he can’t play, he will be released.

In addition, he’s going to need to be a good teammate and make winning the thing that he emphasizes rather than his sexuality.  His teammates will get tired of him being around if he distracts from the goal of winning and wants to give his primary attention to promoting his sexuality.  I was concerned when I read one of his comments.

“It’s a big deal,” Sam said. “No one has done this before. And it’s kind of a nervous process, but I know what I want to be … I want to be a football player in the NFL.”

So coming out to him is a big deal, but is it more important than helping his team win.  Is it more important than being the best football player he can be?  If it is more important then there will be a problem.

Sam’s teammates are not going to be willing to emphasize his coming out and sexuality over winning and becoming a better and more successful football team.  They won’t be willing to compromise on this regardless of whatever people in the media say or what gay-support groups say.

GCOBB

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eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 10, 2014 9:40 am

being a Homosexual in women’s athletics is not an issue it is only the men that hide. The media will now go over the top and praise him for his courage – The story is already written waiting for the dingbat to volunteer to be the bigot. When Tiger Woods won the Masters the first time the media were waiting for some dingbat to say something racist. Fuzzy Zoeller was that dingbat and the media vilified him for his fried chicken and watermelon comment. I don’t understand why all the previous homosexuals hid. They are who they are.

greenfan
greenfan
February 10, 2014 10:03 am

NOT being a homosexual in women’s athletics IS an issue….the hetorosexual in many womens college and pro sports is the vast minority…I am not taking a stance one way or the other just making the point that often it is the reverse situation on many of these teams with the vast majority of players and coaches being homosexual.

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 10, 2014 9:56 am

I don’t wanna sound like I’m stereotyping women but when they are gay you can look at them and tell they are, they can’t really hide it i don’t want the eagles to draft him cause we don’t need the side show and unless he plays like Reggie white he won’t be on a nfl team he might make the practice team buts it. Nobody wants a side show when your trying to play ball.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 10, 2014 10:04 am

So what you are saying G is that he has to perform to stay in the NFL… which makes him just like everyone else right?

I don’t think that you got the real gist of what he was saying G at all. He wants to be a football player… here is more that is much more telling.

“I endured so much in my past: seeing my older brother killed from a gunshot wound, not knowing that my oldest sister died when she was a baby and I never got the chance to meet her. My second oldest brother went missing in 1998, and me and my little sister were the last ones to see him … my other two brothers have been in and out of jail since 8th grade, currently both in jail.

“Telling the world I’m gay is nothing compared to that.”

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 10, 2014 10:24 am
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Sorry to learn of the tragic misfortunes you’ve endured though out your life through no fault of your own- God obviously Blessed you with strength to cope

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2014 10:48 am
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Michael Sam seems like a nice, hard working & genuine young adult who aspires to be a NFL Player.. With his background and the odds and aversity he has overcome, this coming out is no big deal as Bugs just mentioned above..
Do note that Sam was the 97th Rated Defensive Lineman coming out of High-School some 5 years Years ago, and in this 2013 Season was named Co-Defensive Player of the SEC, which most people recognize as the best all-around Conference in all of College Football
My hat’s off to him and wish him the best, He is a talented,smart and fast Player and can play in the NFL and hopefully, he gets the opportunity to do just that, make an NFL Team ..

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2014 10:55 am
Reply to  bugsyhawk

I feel you bugs, this is such a non issue it isn’t funny. Man if it was such a big issue his college teammates would have outed him. The reason why they didn’t is because teams for the most part stick together. The us against the world mentality.

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2014 10:14 am

Micael Sam is a good Football PLayer.. Not a Starter at the NFL Level due to lack of height 6-1 255lbs who has played with his hand down as a DE in COllege
If he can show some drop back pass-coverage skills, he has a real shot of making a Team who runs a 3-4 Scheme where he can play OLB and rush the passer on passing diwns which is his strength (he got 12 Sacks this Season playing opposite of Kony Ealy at Missouri.. If he can’t show LB skills, then he will be strictly a back-up Pass-Rusher for a Team in need of Pass rushers..
I see the Falcons, Colts, Vikings all talking a look at him in the mid-late rounds (4th/5th/6th) .. The man can play and especially for a dome team with a fast surface..
Back to his issue of him coming out, I don’t really think it’s going to be that big of a deal in today’s world where the younger generation are just not as uptight s about the issue and in fact, many younger people have family members, close friends or associates that are gay so it’s not as big of a deal as it is with the older generation.. Now the media will make an issue out of it, but not anything that can’t be overcome by Michael Sam or whichever Team Drafts him…
Your either a Player or not and Michael Sam is a good enough Player to be in the NFL as a Rotational Player, maybe some Special Teams play his first Season or 2 but get him on the right Defense for 15-20 Snaps a game and he can probably make some Plays for you getting after the QB..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 10, 2014 10:30 am
Reply to  paulman

Paulman do you like Sam better than Carl Bradford who has a similar build ? – Bradford seemed to be able to hold up better at the point of attack but Bradford did line up right next to a very good DT in Sutton every play which helps.

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2014 10:50 am

Bradford from Arizona State ? .. I like Sam’s Game better for he never gives up on a play and always has his motor running on every snap.. Bradford is in similar position due to his size and will need to show some OLB Skills
to have a good chance of Playing in the NFL..

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 10, 2014 11:04 am
Reply to  paulman

Ahmad Brooks is 6’3” 260 –
Terrell Suggs is 6’3 260 –
I guess the birds should be looking for a guy that can hold around 260 lbs at 26 years old

gloomysmitty
gloomysmitty
February 10, 2014 10:52 am

They have a report now on profootballtalk talk from an nfl assistant saying he is dumb for coming out and that some say he may go undrafted now teams just don’t want the side show they just want to come to work and not have to worry about dumb shit.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 10, 2014 11:07 am
Reply to  gloomysmitty

a reporter probably came to him with proof so he did an interview before a tabloid type story – it is better for him to control his life’s story not read about it

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2014 11:23 am

Michael Sam came out to his Missouri Teammates and Coach’s last August
and it was already known in most Scouting Circles about his Orientation
This is much to do about nothing and will be a non-story after the initial “Indy Combines” Press COnferences, His COllege Workday and whenever he gets Drafted and has initial Press Conference by whatever Team Drafts him…
I would Say the NFL, as in the General Population of the US, probably has 10%-15% of it Players,Coaches,Front Office & Scouting Staffs, etc,etc
that are Gay..

DCar
DCar
February 10, 2014 12:51 pm
Reply to  paulman

paul, you are correct. That’s the word. I don’t think he’ll be drafted now, because no team wants an unwarranted, sideshow, circus act, especially for a rookie, who is marginally talented, & is too small, & will have no true position in the NFL. Someone might give him a shot, as an UDFA. Boys, will be boys, right, or wrong, he will be tortured in the locker room, & will make the Martin- Incognito mess, look like child’s play! Especially in a warrior sport like football, where dudes take showers together. It is, what it is.

andrew p
andrew p
February 10, 2014 11:34 am

I’m really glad Chip made the statement that he likes big people cause good big players beat up good small players, SAMs is considered a small player for his position, more then Lilkely he’s going to end up as a special team player while they try to convert him to LB, that’s someone we can safely say won’t be drafted by us, and for that I’m greatful, we don’t need the circus that’s going to follow this player, we don’t need our players being questioned all training camp on how things are in the locker room, let someone else worry about that.

jakedog
jakedog
February 10, 2014 11:43 am

I believe many of you are glossing over the issue to say it is not a big deal

There is a lot of testosterone in a football locker room a nd the game has a lot of real men, throw in some steroids, not a good mix there, there’s a lot of resentment toward homosexuals invading the sannctity of that circle

You will have your types that will be accepting, I’m okay, your okay, but there will be alarge contingent, majority that will not accept him

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 10, 2014 11:58 am
Reply to  jakedog

if a Tim Hardeway is one of the team’s superstars you can’t bring in a Michael Sam – leaves the owner with a dilemma – support bigotry or remove a winning piece.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2014 12:09 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Jake former player to former player I’m a little older than you are. I’m telling you I have been on teams with guys who were gay. It’s not that big a deal and I played with some real alpha male grade a assholes.

daggolden
daggolden
February 10, 2014 5:48 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Biglion I played my college ball in NC and Im here to tell you if he can play its no big deal. There will be pockets of players who will be leery of him in the beginning but eventually it passes. I kind of liken it to the Vietnam war. There were so many prejudice white soldiers until the bullets started flying then then everyone had everyone’s back. Then they found out a brother is a brother no matter what color.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2014 8:37 pm
Reply to  daggolden

That is real Dag.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 10, 2014 12:42 pm

So Michael Sam came out to his whole team last year before the season…. the results were 11.5 sacks, something like 19 tackles for a loss, and winning a bowl game and finishing ranked 5th in the nation… All while playing for a team that knew he is openly gay. I guess I just dont understand GCobbs article and the past season seemed to answer the questions Gary raised. It seems 100% obvious that Michael Sam cares about winning and playing at a high level on the football field. If the guys sexuality took preference to his football career, no way would he have had the great year he just had. Of course a man like him would rather help his own team win than advocate for a cause… he’s not Andrew Bynum or Nnamdi. Michael Sam even said that the reason he just told the world he is gay is because the rumors were going around and he wanted people to find out on his own terms, not through the rumor mill. As a player, who knows what he’ll be.. He seems to have the talent and the motor… He reminds me of Brandon Graham. Somebody that could be a decent end in a 4-3.. you guys can give me shit if you want but I do think Brandon Graham would be a decent player on a different team with a 4-3 style.

andrew p
andrew p
February 10, 2014 2:18 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

Yea he came out to his Team, why didn’t he or the team announce it to the whole world? Very simple, they all knew the distraction it would cause for the team and program. I bet their woud be a different result and a lot more pressure if he did, as for his stats? he had a potential number one oick on the other side getting double teamed every game , thst had a lot to do with it.Bottom line is this, we don’t need an undersized 3rd to 5th round player who’s going to end up as nothing more then a special team player to come here and cause nothing but distractions cause that’s exactly what he would do, besides just not being that good people gave up on tebow cause of the circus he brought with him, with this guy you can times that by ten, no mid round pick is worth that.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 10, 2014 2:55 pm
Reply to  andrew p

I didnt say the Eagles should draft him because i dont think he’d fit our defense just like Brandon Graham doesnt fit our defense. Michael Sam will be a decent player for a team with a 4-3 defense, unless he has good cover skills then he could maybe fit a 3-4. But I think most people on this site, including Gary Cobb, are thinking that there will be a circus act but I highly doubt there will be a circus act.

andrew p
andrew p
February 10, 2014 3:22 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

Aren’t you watching Espn and the national news? It’s already a circus! This is the talk of the sports world, they expect the combines to have as much media as the Super Bowl, that’s all distractions! Whatever team he joins you can believe every player will be questioned about how it feels to play with an openly gay player, what’s it like in the locker room ect, who needs it? Especially for a player that could end up nothing more then a special teamer.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 10, 2014 3:32 pm
Reply to  andrew p

Its a circus because ESPN has turned into the National Enquirer! It’ll blow over quick… just like the Riley Cooper situation did.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 10, 2014 1:12 pm

The last thing the Eagles need is a 255 pound “pillow biter”.

Who want a fag in the locker room next to em’ looking at other men privates?

What’s up with this sodomy news now?

This world is finished.

DCar
DCar
February 10, 2014 1:24 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

The world was finished, when someone procreated you! You should have been left to drip down a wall! Wasn’t that your name in the joint, Pillow bitter? Or was it ankle grabber?

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 10, 2014 2:57 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

that 255 pound “pillow biter” is more of a man than you’ll ever be, fraud.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 10, 2014 3:36 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Songs…sounds as if you have a lack of security in your sexuality. Normally, those who make the most noise in protest are those hiding something. It’s called deflection! QB Hopper!

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 10, 2014 2:31 pm

Tough talk Songs, but we all know that Sam would kick your ass.

greenfan
greenfan
February 10, 2014 2:35 pm

I am waiting for the day when one of the famed “mobile” QB’s that FraudSongs idolizes announces that he is Gay. That will be a day worth reading GCobb….we will see the sockpuppet Songs explode.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 10, 2014 2:37 pm

The only thing that would be worse for Songs would be if RG3 was a spokesperson for vaccinations.

greenfan
greenfan
February 10, 2014 2:40 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

LOL….you are right bugsy. That would be a crazy day too!! Good one bugsy!

koolbreeze
koolbreeze
February 10, 2014 7:07 pm

I agree 100% with GCobb’s take…if he can play he will make it…if he can’t he wont…he put more pressure on himself because if he is even with another player to hang on has a special teamer or something like that…he will probably get cut because the guy he is even with poses no kind of controversy.
So he has to play and play well..if not…well he will be like a lot of other guys and go to Canada or the Arena league or something

jakedog
jakedog
February 10, 2014 8:05 pm

You tool on songs

I have been in locker rooms, with men. Real men

My brother fought the Russian migs as a fighter pilot off the Eisenhower , cv 69, no way no how would we tolerate a homosexual in our ranks

Songs is correct

Homosexuality should not be opened

TeamHurnt
TeamHurnt
February 10, 2014 8:44 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Wow your brother helped fight off the mighty Libyan Air Force which were flying outdated antique migs, what a courageous warrior. Here we are in 2014 and his coward brother is scared how another man gets off. Real manly heroes the dog family is.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 10, 2014 8:47 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Jake I thought you were a little more secure in your manhood. You think there was never a gay fighter pilot? Why does it even matter, no sin is worse then another. We have a nation full of real men with a bunch of kids running around they don’t take care of, seriously my man this is a non topic or should be.

greenfan
greenfan
February 10, 2014 9:02 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

Agreed BL. Really a non-story. If he can play, he stays. If not, he goes to Canada or Arena like said before.

jakedog
jakedog
February 10, 2014 8:49 pm

team hunt, I wish you the opportunity to call my brother a coward to his face for defending our country, I promise he would make quick work of you

TeamHurnt
TeamHurnt
February 10, 2014 9:27 pm
Reply to  jakedog

You read what I wrote wrong, I called you the coward.

Your attempt to emasculate gay people was pathetic especially when acting like your brother is a war hero for fighting off a 3rd world countries air force.

paulman
paulman
February 10, 2014 8:49 pm

I would not be surprised if Eagles sign him as Undrafted
free-Agent if he does not get Drafted..

andrew p
andrew p
February 10, 2014 8:59 pm

Again, a mid to late round pick is not worth the baggage he would bring, their already trying to convert him to LB which tells people he’s not going to be nothing but a project and special team player, I saw somebody put up his stats on here, did you know out of his 11 1/2 sacks that 10 were in the first eight games and he only had 1 1/2 his last six? I’m glad Chip made the comment that he liked big players cause they beat up little players, he has the perfect excuse not to draft this guy, let someone else deal with that circus that’s going to follow him.

jakedog
jakedog
February 10, 2014 10:40 pm

My brother didn’t pick the time or the call,, or the enemy he answered, just like most all who served did, you disrespect his service because of his time in history, you are worst than a coward

jakedog
jakedog
February 10, 2014 10:46 pm

Try landing an f14 on.a postage stamp in the middle of the med or Indian ocean, yes they are all heroes

phillyreaper
phillyreaper
February 12, 2014 7:07 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Jake why don’t we talk more about you than your brother. What have you done?

Stevo
Stevo
February 10, 2014 11:58 pm

The media has its story. Their will be more stories of players and GMs “speaking out against”… every time he’s not drafted there will be an outcry. And the NFL will be talked about through the only time they aren’t usually talked about… right after the bowl. Well played NFL… well played.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 11, 2014 2:12 am

Leviticus 20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Xevious
Xevious
February 18, 2014 4:54 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Amen, what the man does is his own free will. I for one will not support it because according to my faith its a sin. Doesn’t mean you hate the person, but to support the sin is wrong. Thats the bottom line no hate involved. People act like if you dont support their opinion its hate or bigotry. I wish the man well in his professional life and will pray for him in his personal life. Frankly what society says is meaningless only gods opinion matters.

Stevo
Stevo
February 11, 2014 3:15 am

Songs. I am a minister and know the verse well. 1corinthians 13 should remind you that if you don’t have love you are nothing. While I am not in favor of much of what is going on… ill never be full of hate. I continue to love the sinner and hate the sin. Please dont attach your hate to my name.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 11, 2014 6:52 am
Reply to  Stevo

Perfect Stevo hate the sin love the sinner. The two can be separated.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 11, 2014 8:11 am
Reply to  Stevo

love is to correct and not allow sin to degenerate a nation.

here’s a new testament scripture for you…minister.

Romans 1:25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:32: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

the bible does not excuse unrepentant homosexuals and neither do God, but you can’t tell the ministers that today because the majority have took the bribe of 501c3 status paid by the government.

Have you receive your “30 pieces”?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2014 8:56 am
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Songs…So…all of a sudden you’re a man of the word. Where is this when you are on here cursing and carrying on spreading hate filled rants. Hypocrites are the worst. You’re one of these guys who pick and choose what he wants to believe in the Bible. Do you believe everything in the Bible?

I personally do not agree with that life style, however, it’s not my place to judge as a sinner myself. I’ll leave that up to God as that is his position to do so. Those who make the most noise, are the ones with the most to fear.

TeamHurnt
TeamHurnt
February 11, 2014 9:08 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

What has this site come to? Quoting a book no more real than a doctor Seuss book to cover up your hatred for how certain men get off ? Too funny, did Santa bring you nice Christmas gifts too?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2014 9:39 am
Reply to  TeamHurnt

LMAO….Like HAC says..Welcome to the Jerry Springer show!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 11, 2014 10:01 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

yup! mix a little bible, ignorance, frustration, lack of education, intolerance, a few missing chromosomes and its the perfect mix of must see daytime tv!

Xevious
Xevious
February 18, 2014 4:56 pm
Reply to  TeamHurnt

You will find out how made up that book is one day…god bless you when you do.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 11, 2014 12:38 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Telling the truth along with giving correction is not judging. The judgement comes from on high when a person decides to live continually in error.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2014 1:00 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

“The truth” is a relative term…whose “truth” becomes the question that must be dealt with.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 1:02 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

You’re right Songs….

greenfan
greenfan
February 11, 2014 9:28 am
Reply to  Stevo

Thanks Stevo.

Unfortunately these types of situations keep coming up in many areas of our lives. As far as sports, you would hope that it would be different, where if you can play you succeed, but unfortunately it is more of a mirror of our society as opposed to being the exception.

Much like as with Jackie Robinson’s character and sacrifice opened the door and gained the acceptance of all MLB fans, there are lesons of tolerence to be learned from Michael Sams.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 11, 2014 12:45 pm
Reply to  greenfan

how dare you compare the black struggle to sodomites!!!!!!

When did sodomites have to serve slavery as a people?

Those degenerates have hijacked the civil rights our people died to get.

It’s a travesty each time I hear a serious movement that came out of slavery compared to two men or two women deciding to exercise their nasty activity.

America will soon receive the same fate as ancient Greece and Rome, who perpetuated this same sadistic sodomy behavior.

It destroys cultures along with family, leading to the destruction of a nation. disgusting nasty men with men.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 11, 2014 1:27 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Yeah good luck with that whole fall of America thing.

Pretty sure that the fall of Greece and Rome had nothing to do with sodomy. The concept of moral decay being the cause of the fall of the Roman empire was really popular in the 1800s, but not so much today. And really it was more in line with the thought that the average citizen didn’t feel civic duty the way they did during the time of the republic. And which period of the Greek empire did you want to discuss? Which city state?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2014 1:36 pm
Reply to  bugsyhawk

Great debate…Fairy Tales vs. Facts!

greenfan
greenfan
February 11, 2014 1:53 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

I am confused…I thought that the end of civilization was coming with the proliferation of vaccines? Get your stories straight you HATER.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2014 1:58 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

America has been in the decline long befor Michael Sam’s annoucement..
Look back at the 60’s where teh “Great Society” and the “War of Poverty” and a a dearth of Federeal Programs where established to protect and help the poor,unecducated and the bottom run of America’s economic and social ladder of Opportunity.. The Problem is, that these Programs just grew and grew and ended up hurting the segment of America’s Population that the Programs intended to help with the Results end up being
a Disaster and helped create the a total lack of Work Ethic, or Self Responsibility, Self Respect and began the “Sense and Life of Entiltlement” that has occured now for 1-2 Generations…
Go back to the LBJ Policies , the unaccountable Military Complex and the Growth of Big Media as well as the Financial, Educational, Medical & Legal Entites which have all contributed to what has America become…
It’s been sad to see this happen and why many people are beyond the point and agitated about the State of this Country and it’s Government… which is broken and needs fixing.. this Demise has been in the works for a long,long time ..
What Cracks me up is Democrats will see, we need more Federal Programs or to increase the size of Governements role in everyday lives while the aging, white Folk of the Republican, blame Immigration, 3rd World Countries and Terrorist groups as to bring Fear into America…
Both parties are a Joke and the more disengage the Average Voter, like me becomes with the Political Process, the Better for theese Established Political Parties for this is exactly what they want… The 20% fanatic Right Winger or Liberal are the ones who Support and Raide $$$ for these Fooles and these Parties want smaller and smallet groups to have to contend with and want the majority of Americans to continue to remain Asleep at the Wheel… Good Grief, I have to take a wlak and get some Fresh air..

DCar
DCar
February 11, 2014 3:39 pm
Reply to  paulman

Great post paul. Agree 100%.

Xevious
Xevious
February 18, 2014 5:02 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

I am forced to agree with Songs here…as a society turns away from gods laws and embraces mans laws it will fall to pieces. We are a Nation of heretics. Sports is subjective…the law of the lord is not. Im not going to be one of the ones that say its right and decry others just to fit in. Hate the sin and love the sinner…Dont support the sin.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 11, 2014 10:15 am

Report is surfacing from 94 WIP that Joe Banner is being phased out (Fired) in Cleveland and being replaced by former Eagles Linebacker Ray Farmer as the GM. Good Ol’ Joe Banner, never fails to disappoint!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 11, 2014 10:23 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

did Mike Lombardi get the ax also ?

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2014 10:25 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Banner is not the GM,
He’s the Presidient of Football Operations for the Browns..
Mike Lombardi is the GM

mhenski
mhenski
February 11, 2014 10:39 am
Reply to  paulman

Browns promoted assistant GM Ray Farmer to general manager and fired GM Mike Lombardi.
CEO Joe Banner has also been relieved of his duties and will be out of the organization by May. So, the madness in Cleveland continues on. Lombardi and Banner joined the Browns, along with coach Rob Chudzinski, ahead of the 2013 season, and now all three have been fired a year into the job. This also partly explains why Farmer, 39, pulled out of the running for the Dolphins’ GM job last month. While it’s been a crazy time in Cleveland, it’s hard to argue that the Browns are actually upgrading with this move. Farmer is a well-repsected personnel man, while Lombardi was merely a figurehead. Owner Jimmy Haslam will allow Farmer and new coach Mike Pettine — who we assume is safe — to handle things for at least the next couple seasons, we’d imagine.
Feb 11 – 10:14 AM

Stevo
Stevo
February 11, 2014 2:37 pm

A few things but not much:

There was so much said in so many directions that I would be silly to try and chase down every path But…

1) I think it’s funny that those that bash Christianity (and the Bible) quickly go to the silly idea that all of us are uneducated and simpleminded- do your homework…. understand the amount of school that one has to take to become an ordained Pastor.

2) Song- I understand full well the consequences of sin…. but I stand with Paul that we need to speak in love- so you can stuff your hatred.

3)One thing Songs did say that I agree with is this…. Comparing slavery and present day stuff is silly and I dont see the connection.

All this said- lets drop this subject and get back to football please.

greenfan
greenfan
February 11, 2014 2:50 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Who compared it to slavery? The comparison was to Jackie Robinson being the 1st black to play in the MLB. It was a comparison of sports where it had been previously unacceptable for some groups to be “allowed” to partcipate, and the ground-breaker who had to endure the prejudices of those who did not agree that they should be able to play.

I see it as a logical and fair comparison. Slavery had been over for 100 years by the time Jackie Robinson played in the MLB.

Stevo
Stevo
February 11, 2014 3:03 pm
Reply to  greenfan

i stand corrected. I was bringing into the convo what I hear elsewhere all the time. Not here.

greenfan
greenfan
February 11, 2014 3:23 pm
Reply to  Stevo

No problem Stevo. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

You ended it great, and correctly in my opinion…Back to Football.

DCar
DCar
February 11, 2014 3:41 pm

“There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.”
I=O

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2014 4:29 pm
Reply to  DCar

I thought the 5th Dimension/Twilight Zone was in the Hart’s Basement where Jon Hart reside’s…

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 6:20 am
Reply to  paulman

paul, that’s the bunghole dimension!

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 11, 2014 6:57 pm

How is it news when a 255 pound man announces he takes it up the ass by another dude?

How is this news?

NuGreembol
NuGreembol
February 11, 2014 7:23 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

It should not be news. sam made it news by announcing it. he could have did the same thing he did at Mizz and just play and live his life. But on another not I really wish people stop comparing and mentioning gay/straight black or white in the same sentence. I cannot hide the fact if Im a black or white man. Gay rights? I don’t get it. What is it that gay people are not allowed to do? I guess get married in some states besides that what is the fight for. There are gay people everywhere doing everything under the sun. If it’s about not being accepted if you are flaming in drag or like extremely gay acting I would say people don’t take kindly to extreme anything. I can’t go to a classy night spot dressed like a thug same difference.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 12, 2014 11:22 am
Reply to  NuGreembol

they dont want to have to put up with the shit people say, like stupidSongs and all the shit he’s spilled on this topic. maybe they want to be judged by their character without having to hide their significant other. You know, maybe not as much now adays, but those judgements from people like songs led to many severe beatings and some murders for people just being who they are. Look at stupidsongs and his comments. He is saying vile things about someone he has never met and has never got to know. There is no doubt in my mind that Michael Sam is a 100 times better human than stupidsongs, it all shows in the way people treat others. People shouldnt have to live in fear based off their sexuality. Not just fear of getting beat up or killed, but fear of acceptance from family members, fear of job discrimination, fear of not being able to play a sport you excell at in the professional level. A few of you on this site have blinders on when it comes to this issue, because many people speak what they dont know and the do not dare try and walk a mile in someone elses shoes.

Xevious
Xevious
February 18, 2014 5:10 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

We all have to live with shit people say. Most people don’t live in fear in this day and age in this country. If someone says a bad word it is what it is…remember sticks and stones? No one selse does either…you would think in one generation all the toughness has drained from this society. Gay people in this country can do anything they want. it’s not an issue. You cant say sams is 100 times better a human being than songs..thats ridiculous. Cause the dude plays football and is gay means he’s a saint?? No you have no idea what he is. He just chose to put himself out there for judgement and everyone on this site will judge him. One way or another. Most gay people keep private because of family or religion…thats the truth.

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2014 8:36 pm

Homosexuality has been around since the time of mankind and I assume it will continue to be around long after Michael Sam’s Playing Career
Is over.. You can quote the Bible, Study History or just look around Society in everyday life.. It is what it is.. Philly has probably the largest Gay Community in the US outside of San Francisco & New York & Southern Florida and yet
People, mfamilies continue to live, work and raise families there..
Is this even an issue in 2014..
People are free to express their nationalities, religious beliefs,
Their political beliefs and in today’s society, their sexual preferences..
and there is not much anyone can do about it for it’s part of the ideals that this great & free Country were founded on..
Some people don’t like to be around others who smoke, drink,
Cuss, Steal, or are Liberal, or Conservative or who are too religious or are not religious enough, or anything you can think of under the Sun
In the end, what matters is how we conduct ourselves, how we behave and help and yes in sone cases tolerate each other..
Life is way too short to worry about things that are not our business
Or that are out of our control..
Can you make a conscious effirt to stay away from people or groups that don’t want to associate with, sure we can, can we do it with tolerance and class and show mutual respect, yes we can and that’s what make’s our Country with all of our Freedoms and a pursuit of happiness, however we define it,
The Great Country that it is.. End of Story..

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 12, 2014 11:27 am
Reply to  paulman

great post paulman

jakedog
jakedog
February 11, 2014 8:36 pm

Songs you have guts

I agree with you on this one brother

Tolerance?

How about tolerance for the bible

How about tolerance for procreation in the blessing of Jesus, between a man and a woman

Society today is so far desecrated

Next it will be we must accept, and not judge sex and a relationship between a man and a child

Keep up the good fight songs

jakedog
jakedog
February 11, 2014 8:38 pm

Good gutless stand paulman

paulman
paulman
February 11, 2014 9:46 pm
Reply to  jakedog

It’s no stand Jake,
Michael Sam’s Sexual Orientation and his Public Statement about it
just simply does not concern or impact me in any way shape of form..
I will judge him as a Football Player as a Fan of the Sport, and though I am not a supporter of his lifestyle, it’s his choice on how he chooses to be happy and not mine anyone else’s.. And as long as he is not harming anyone or breaking the law, then so be it..
It’s like me not liking or disrespecting a Player a player for showboating or having long dred locks, what does it matter what I think..so the guy is a gay and open about it, Woopty do.. Football mirrors our general Society and for all the true Professionals in the NFL out of some 1700-1800 Players,Coach’s, etc, there are some thugs, some felons, some drug users, dog killers, and now an openly gay man attempting to Libe out his Dream
If he’s a good enough Player to make it, then so be it, and if he’s not a good Player, then he won’t, but let’s allow him that opportunity..
Remember this Country was founded by the thirst of Freedom & Opportunity
To fulfill every Oerson’s Dream regardless of Nationality, Religious or Political Beliefs and now sexual orientation..
Would you not agree that every law abiding Citizen has this God-given Right in these United States of America…

Stevo
Stevo
February 11, 2014 11:04 pm

I agree Paul… live and let live. As a guy who is a minister and nearly a Pastor… I chose not to perform a marriage for 2 of the same sex. Thats my right. I dont hate anyone… I show love to all but thats where I draw the line. I feel for this guy because I feel the media is going to use him… and has already. Plus.. I just read that his dad learned via a text from his son. This is going to be hard for him.

Stevo
Stevo
February 11, 2014 11:05 pm
Reply to  Stevo

*Choose not chose… I have not been asked.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 6:02 am
Reply to  Stevo

His family is a bunch of losers.. Jail, street violent deaths etc… His dad is an ignorant person… Who cares!
As for all the bible thumping… Bible thumping justified slavery in the minds of the slave holders, bible thumping has started wars, bible thumping has reduced women to second class citizens and now bible thumping tells a man where to get off…. What next?

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 12, 2014 7:40 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Amen HAC! People use the Bible to justify and propagate their own hatred, ignorance and loathing agendas.

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 9:03 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

People also use the Bible and many of its teachings to do many many charitable and generous acts. I would not disagree that throughout history there have been some very dramatic and devastating examples of people who have done very terrible things and justifying them with supposed Bilble references and text.

To condemn all of the religious is wrong. As PMan stated above, one of the founding principals of this country was freedom of religion. You may choose to practice your religion as you see fit, and you can choose not to have religion in your life, it is a founding principal of this great country. I may not agree with the way that Songs is promoting his interpretation of the Bible, but I recognize that he has the right to spew his view.

Personally I don’t see why there is all of this attention or emotion that surrounds this announcement. The combine was coming up and there was probably going to be some reporter who wanted to make a name for himself by breaking the story, so SAMs decided to tell the story on his own terms. If he can play he will play. If players have a problem they will deal with it as they see fit, and I am sure that the media will promote their own agenda.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 12, 2014 10:34 am
Reply to  greenfan

I disagree with your one point greenfan. Unfortunately, freedom of religion was preached,however, not practiced. The enslaved African populations were not allowed to practice their cultural and indigenous religious beliefs, as they were seen as pagan and satanic, this too befell the Native populations also.
This whole issue with Michael Sam has been brought to the forefront because of his announcement. Me personally, what he does in his own time is his business. I don’t want to see it and he is not exposing me to it. Socially speaking, I could care less about that as an issue. I’m more concerned about people in the communities I come from killing their own kind. I don’t have time to waste on who someone chooses to sleep with or be romantically involved with. That’s not killing people.

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 11:03 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Sadly- people have used Gods word to do justify horrible things.
Gladly- people have used Gods word to tell of Christ’s love for us.

Both are true. This is what happens with humans.

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 11:04 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Yes Eaglehaslanded, you are correct with the inequality that existed at the founding and continued for decades. There was not freedom for all to express and practice their religion, but that is not the case today thank goodness. I am completely in agreement, and have stated so earlier in the discussion, with your statement about Michael Sams. What he does and how he handles him self is not or my concern or any of my business. I hope that he has a great career and that he does not have to live his life with a label of “that gay football player”, but rather be viewed as we all hope to be viewed as the sum of our character and acomplishments.

Your concern about violence and killing are rightly placed. Too little attention is paid nationally to the problem that is attacking so many families on a daily basis.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 12, 2014 11:37 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I’m not going to put down Christianity, because I believe that people have the right to believe what they believe just like people have the right to love who they love. Someone like Stevo gives Christianity a good name… I highly doubt Jesus would want anyone to hate or discriminate in His name, since His message was based out of love.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 8:15 am

And another point to the holier than tho Christians… I think it’s safe to say all of us played sports at various levels in our lives. In high school and college I remember several heterosexual parties that involved a lot of players doing heterosexual activities that were far from honorable…I mean groups of players with one girl… These were the ‘real men’…

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 9:08 am
Reply to  haveacigar

Speak for yourself HAC. Yes I played in HS and College, but never was at a party where a girl was attacked by a group of guys. No doubt it has happened through history, but don’t assume that every player has acted as you apparently have.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 9:42 am
Reply to  greenfan

I never said attacked… And I never said every player! As usual the Christian agenda takes a simple statement and twisted it. I also never said I participated in this… But don’t let’s the facts get in the way of your agenda

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 10:18 am
Reply to  haveacigar

If I read your statement incorrectly, I apologize, but as I read it …”I mean groups of players with one girl”…I took that as an assault similar to the Stubenville OH football players. It sounded like an assault to me.

As far as your issues with religion, I could care less. This is a football blog, you can hate whoever you, it does not matter or affect me.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 10:25 am
Reply to  greenfan

Seems like the Christians are doing the hating! I’m saying who cares that this man is homosexual… Live and let live .. The cuckoo Christians are espousing hate. Not me!

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 10:45 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I would agree HAC that there are a couple on here using religion as a cover to spout hate, but I would not lump all religious persons into the same boat.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 10:51 am
Reply to  greenfan

I didn’t mean too lump them together… I said cuckoo …meaning the bible thumpers

Xevious
Xevious
February 18, 2014 5:17 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

you have obviously had bad experiences with christianity. Being a Christian doesn’t mean your perfect…in fact it usually means your far from perfect. It also doesn;t excuse any crimes done on this planet. There are bad christians and bad people of all faiths including atheists….if you follow the word you should love the sinner hate the sin…you don’t support the lifestyle. Nothing hateful in that teaching.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 18, 2014 5:24 pm
Reply to  Xevious

You said you agree with songs he has espoused hate to this man. I have no bad experience with Christianity or any religion… I just don’t believe books of fairy tales. And I certainly don’t believe them when they are used as ‘proof’ that this man is a sinner.

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 12, 2014 10:19 am
Reply to  haveacigar

the agnostics are always the first to die in times of civil unrest — their families and possessions are easy targets because they stand alone

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 10:26 am

Why are they standing alone? Why aren’t the loving god fearing folks embracing them and protecting them!

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 12, 2014 10:33 am
Reply to  haveacigar

each agnostic believes they are the smartest person in the room, even withing their marriages – they are incapable of receiving orders to fight and die which make them easy prey –

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 10:49 am

Probably because they don’t believe in fairy tales…
You do understand that a ‘Christian’ army has been at war with cave dwelling non Christians and they can’t and won’t defeat them… Even being blessed by god and the greatest military technology known to man? You understand that same Christian army lost to a bunch of heathens in the 60’s? Many very good Christian men sacrificed their life for this Christian cause… For what?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 12, 2014 11:32 am

how many of the 2 billion Christians are not cuckoo with their fairy tales?

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 2:43 pm

the ignorance on this subject by this room is amazing.

Continue to call it fairy tales and they don’t even know what we believe.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 13, 2014 1:19 pm

this is too freakin’ funny.. the agnostics are always the first to die in times of civil unrest? lol

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 13, 2014 1:30 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

what do they own?
USA Military is 70% Christian of which 60% of Military Clergy is Evangelicals while only 2 % of the Military are Evangelicals. Why? because Evangelicalism believes the Israelites have to return to Jerusalem for the messiah to return ( the USA Military is in a Holy War against Islam right now )

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 13, 2014 1:32 pm

what land mass on planet earth do agnostics control?

eagles0superbowls
eagles0superbowls
February 13, 2014 1:34 pm

agnostics conquered no one

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 13, 2014 7:17 am
Reply to  greenfan

I agree greenfan. I played football in high school and college, I must have missed those parties.

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 11:05 am
Reply to  haveacigar

I am not better than anyone- nor have I ever claimed to be. I am a mess abd need a savior!!

I am sorry that u have met Christians who cant seem to grasp this.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 3:09 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Fairy tales… Bible stories that defy science!… Failure to believe in evolution.. Those kinds of things…..you know scientific fact!
Sharing the same side of an argument with songs would qualify as cuckoo

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 4:31 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

I believe in evolution. So- hmm. try again I guess. Actually, most Christians dont really debate that.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 4:47 pm
Reply to  Stevo

So you chose to ignore the Adam and Eve fairy tale?

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 5:37 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

just finished a 20 page paper on the subject if you wanted to read it.

The Genesis account of creation (there are 2 actually) was not meant to answer “hos” God did it. It was meant to answer the “who” question. Sadly.. most of the gen public have no idea that nearly every Christian denom has agreed on this for a very long time. The old test has poetry, history and lots more…. it cannot all be read like a history book.

The history behind its writings is pretty clear… there were other religions that wrote things down and so the Jewish people did too.

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 5:37 pm
Reply to  Stevo

*”how”

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2014 2:27 pm
Reply to  Stevo

So quoting scripture to prove that homosexuality is wrong is a foolish thing to do? As you state the bible isn’t meant to be taken literally? Or are just some parts literal? Because the way I see it the fringe pick and choose

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 2:40 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Man picks, and chooses, but it never changes God’s viewpoint on a matter.

Malachi 3:6-7 – For I am Jehovah; I do not change. And you are sons of Jacob; you have not yet come to your finish. 7 From the days of your forefathers you have turned aside from my regulations and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says Jehovah of armies….

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 2:43 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Some of the Bible is Literal, some of it is stated Figuratively, and some of it – like Revelation – is written in Symbolic Form.

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2014 3:29 pm
Reply to  Stevo

and written by Mankind on their interpretations of events,places & people

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 15, 2014 7:01 am
Reply to  Stevo

No Paul, Written by men, but inspired by God…

I’ll illustrate it like this – A CEO, asks his Secretary, to take a memo to send to every department in the company. He, or she dictates the letter by writing it, but they are in reality the words, and thoughts, of that CEO…..

The Scriptures were written in the same manner, but inspired, or dictated by God…..

paulman
paulman
February 15, 2014 7:20 am
Reply to  Stevo

“Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss”
Then the a classic “Windmill” by Pete Townsend
came to mind when reading your analogy Cliff
But on a semi-serious note, many Books, Essays,
Papers, Songs have been said to be inspired by
“God”…by their Authors..
If the Bible is Inspired by God to set down the
Rules of the road so to speak, then why no contributions
From Women are included.. Did God not Trust Woman of being capable or not emotionally strong enough to spread his word?
Or was it the Men of this Time Period..

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 15, 2014 9:17 pm
Reply to  Stevo

But the Bible is the only thing you mentioned that he put his own personal stamp on it…calling it his word.

In reference to Woman – They have played a role in spreading the word. The Bible speaks of many woman being a large army SPEAKING , and teaching the word – But they had no role in WRITING IT.

that’s no knock on woman, because the Bible says Jehovah holds them in high regard….Proverbs 31:30 – says, –

30 Charm may be false, and beauty may be fleeting,
But the woman who fears Jehovah will be praised

Women are dignified, and play an important role in Gods arrangement of things….there are the books of Esther, and Ruth in the Bible, the story of Hannah, Rahab, Sarah – Abrahams wife, Dorcas, and of course Mary had her role, and many more.

Women, spoken of as “daughters” and “women slaves” in Joel’s prophecy, were among those receiving the gifts of holy spirit on the day of Pentecost 33 C.E. From that day forward the Christian women who were favored with these gifts talked in foreign tongues that they had not understood before, and they ‘prophesied,’ not necessarily making predictions of important future events, but speaking forth Bible truths….
28 After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh,
And your sons and your daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
And your young men will see visions.
29 And even on my male slaves and female slaves
I will pour out my spirit in those days

Does that answer your question Paul?
Joel 2:28-29 –

mhenski
mhenski
February 12, 2014 11:59 am

******PHILLIES NEWS

SOURCES ARE STATING THAT JON HART WILL BE BREAKING NEWS THAT THE PHILLIES SIGNED A.J. BURNETT WITHIN THE NEXT 48 HOURS

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 12:52 pm

To all, FYI, the Bible was written, & put together by Emperor Constantine, of Rome, when they converted to Christianity. I was raised strict Catholic, & now don’t believe in organized religion, because it’s all BS, for certain religions to control their population, with lies, deception, omissions, & half truths. Try asking the Catholic church, or a Priest, what happened to the other 90 plus commandments, the other Gospels that were conveniently omitted from the Bible, the missing part of Jesus’s life, from when he was born, until he started his teachings, & they will call you Blasphemist. Why can’t Priests marry? Why do we have to go to church to pray, when Jesus did his teachings, in homes, mountain sides, fields, & on the road? Why can’t we love, believe in, & pray to God, without going to church? Because it is all BS, for them to control the population, & suck the masses dry of $$$$$! That’s all it is! Do you think God, wants anyone fighting over what religion is right. If there is a one true God, he’s pissed, & shaking his head, at humans killing in his name, with ancient words, in ancient books, in which most are lied about, omitted, & conveniently changed for selfish purposes! Wise up people, love God, pray as you will, but wise up, & stop fighting over who’s religion is right.

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 12:59 pm
Reply to  DCar

BTW, the Jews had their Messiah crucified, because of their fears, greed, & ignorance. The Romans did the deed, but the Jews fed him to the lions. When the end comes, hopefully you dudes are wise. The atheists crack me up! It explains alot, why they are always argumentative, irrational, condescending, & always think they are right. Go do in depth research, school yourselves, & maybe you’ll get some enlightenment. But, I think it will take some of you cats a near death experience, to wise your dumb@$$e$ up!

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2014 1:46 pm
Reply to  DCar

Jesus was not the “Messiah” for the High Ranking Jews who felt threatened
by his growing popularity and simple messages.. His movement undercut many of what the High Priest’s message of “fear,guilt and shame” to the people of Mesopotatmia
When you get right down to it, It’s the story of Power,Greed and the ability of Control which is just what “Governemnts” have done ever since and still do to this day…
Over 2000 plus years, Mankind and our behaviors and actions have really not changed very much when you think about it…

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 1:55 pm
Reply to  paulman

Yep!

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 1:09 pm
Reply to  DCar

I left the Catholic Church when I was 24 at an uncles funeral…the priest said just before communion…”we will now be celebrating communion by feasting on Jesus’s body and blood but this isn’t allowed for those of you who are not catholic”…..I sat myself right down!

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 12, 2014 1:21 pm
Reply to  DCar

Great post DCAR, especially the history of how Christianity developed. I too have read this as well. It’s all very interesting how certain canons were purposely omitted and why.

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 1:50 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Eagles, it’s head scratching, how people can’t use their minds for themselves, & are such easily led like rats to the Pied Piper. I’m a very spiritual person, that’s had alot of spiritual things happen to me, so I know for a fact, that there is someone looking out for us. The biggest joke of the Catholic church, is confessing your sins to a human man. The Bible says, no one but God can forgive you. So what’s that about? Another head scratcher. The best story, I got for you, when the last time I stepped into a church, was when I was to be made God Father to my 5th Godchild, the Priest said he wasn’t going to give me a letter of acknowledgement, because I haven’t gave money to my church for a year. I told him to go f^#@ himself, & never returned! True story. Aren’t they supposed to be about simplicity, & not wanting of material things, & $$$$? SMFH…..

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 12, 2014 2:00 pm
Reply to  DCar

Lol, true indeed. My father, whom I love very much constantly requests that I go to men’s fellowships with him. At times I will go just to spend time with him, however, I’ve explained to him as well that God is not within the confines of the walls of a church or any building. I do not believe in having to go to a building to worship god either, i’d just as much rather worship in the natural environments than in a man made one. I never experienced the catholic church as I was reared baptist. The emphasis on all of the money collection always disturbed me. I know bills have to be paid, but the excess money should go to charity, not in the preachers pocket, IMO.

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2014 2:43 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

I have lived in lots of Rural Communities throughout my adult life
and the nicest home in the neighborhood was usually the Pastor’s home which is typically right next door to the Church.. Especially those of the “Bretheren and Baptist Churches”… I always thought that was odd and looked a little out of place….

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 5:17 pm
Reply to  paulman

for the record… i make peanuts and cant afford what I have. So…. that one doesnt apply to me.

My first job as a minister paid 7,500k a year. Yup.. you read that right. I did that for 4 years while working in kitchens to pay for school.

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 2:59 pm
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

Eagles, I was both. When younger, my Mom was Baptist, but then converted to Catholic. My Dad was Catholic too. It’s all BS.

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2014 2:51 pm
Reply to  DCar

Good Story DCar
I remembe rwhen I first moved out to Indianapolis from Philly in 1987
I was raised a Cathoilic, went to Cathoilic High School, etc…
So me and my Girlfirend (and now my wife) went to a local Catholic Church in Indy to go check it out and introduce ourselves and see what their program was.. The First thing the Priest asks is I was willing to sign a form committing 10% of my monthly income to the their Parish.. Not one did he ask about my background, where I was from, my goals in life, nothing… He barely even acknowledge my Girlfriend and seemd more concerned of wher I worked and how much $$$ I made..
So I took his Paperwork and never step foot in that Church again…
and then when all these Pedofile Priest Scandals starting coming out in the late 80’s/90/s and the Church just took a blind eye to everything was the last straw for me…. The Vatican and those who work,live and are part of it are nothing more but a Beauracratic Assembly of Old farts who live in wealth and off the fears of those they are supposed to Service.. It makes me sick what the Catholic Church has become as a institution and I am sure that is Jesus was around today, that he would be appalled by this Hieracrchy of the Catholic Church which is not in his likeness by action or creed ….

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 3:05 pm
Reply to  paulman

paul, that’s why I cursed him, & walked out. I’m working 2-3 jobs, putting 3 kids through College, & now have 2 Grandkids, 2 rental properties to worry about, plus my own home, & those greedy, lying POS’s, have the balls to shake me down for money! Scum bags, & lying hypocrites. They are nothing but harbingers for greedy, @$$ jockeys anyways. But, I do like what I see from the new Pope. He’s thinking outside the box, & shaking $#!T up at the Vatican. He better watch though, or he’ll get the Pope John Paul I tea.

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2014 3:07 pm
Reply to  DCar

The old JP1 Tea treatment… … Classic Dcar…. Ha

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 12:43 am
Reply to  Eaglehaslanded

They were omitted because those are the ones that were not Inspired by God, but by the opinions of mortal man. There were many false prophets who wrote books contrary to Gods will, and purpose to purposely mislead Gods people, by creating doubt, and confusion through misapplication of the Scriptures.

Romans 10:2-3 – For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to ACCURATE knowledge. 3 For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

2nd Timothy – Speaks of critical times, hard to deal with will be here. If you continue to read you will see some of the things that will be happening that would cause some not to trust Religion, the Bible, or God himself……..

2 Timothy 3:5-7 …having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 6 From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, 7 always learning and yet never able to come to an ACCURATE knowledge of truth.

It’s sad that God has been misrepresented in the way that he has, but we shouldn’t lose faith in his word, or Him, and allow the Devil to lead us to or everlasting Death.

He is behind all the confusion, the human governments, and the organizations that continue to misapply scriptures, and continue to focus on their own opinions, and not Gods that comes from his word.

They have a zeal, but not according to ACCURATE knowledge

2 Timothy 3:16,17 – All Scripture is inspired by “God”, and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness that the man of God, may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work……If it’s not apart of the Bible now; it doesn’t belong there.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 12:54 am
Reply to  gmcliff

Many in religion take their standing with God for granted – Reason on this –

Matthew 7:22-23 – Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’

Can you imagine? All that work, and never really having Gods Blessing. There is something called false religion….

Matthew 24: 4-5 says,….In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many…..something to think about

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 12:55 am
Reply to  gmcliff

the word Christ defined means Messiah……

So anyone saying that Jesus is not, is foolish

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 2:46 pm
Reply to  DCar

sorry Dcar but you are incorrect on this matter. If you ever wanted to chat more about this we could…. in a way that would allow dialogue from both… but my guess is that you are content on what someone told you.

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 3:18 pm
Reply to  Stevo

stevo, I’m content on what I’ve spent 7 years researching. I took up religious studies in classes. I’ve read numerous books, watched several programs/ specials, on History Channel, National Geographic. I’ve thoroughly read the Bible, New testament, Old testament, The Jewish bible which is the Tanakh, that includes the Torah, & want to get a proper interpretation of the Qur’an, so I can read that too. I am Black, Italian, & Cherokee, so I’ve been taught 3 different cultures, religions & beliefs, from Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterian, to spiritual teachings of the a Cherokee indian Shaman. I go once a year, to a Cherokee retreat. I’ve learned very much, & I’m a very enlightened person. So, I think I’m correct, on what I speak. I know you said you a a Minister, but you are biased, for what you were taught, & probably don’t believe in, nor respect other teachings. In the end, it’s all about population control, greed, lies & deception.

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 4:34 pm
Reply to  DCar

wrong again.

I respect all. Know much and can promise you that population control has nothing to do with Christianity outside of what the Roman Catholic church tried to do prior to the reformation.

Its all good-back to football.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 1:07 am
Reply to  DCar

Dcar, I have more respect for you know, than I ever have Young Man.

I too am a Minister, and respectfully, it’s still a dangerous mindset to have. Many in Noahs Day felt the exact same way, and Gods Word tells us

at Matthew 24: 37-39 – For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 38 For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39 and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

Matthew 24:42 – Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming……..continue to be Spiritually awake. Remember it was God who shut the door to the Ark, not Noah…
He was lead by Gods guidance not his own….Be careful Brother

DCar
DCar
February 13, 2014 7:56 am
Reply to  gmcliff

gm, thanks. I’m always open minded, & try to be as educated, & truthful as I can be, before giving my 2 cents. But, the ignorant, the close-minded, & easily led, can’t handle the truth, & a wrench thrown into the works, of their life long brain washing.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 1:05 pm
Reply to  DCar

Amen Good Brother….

Stevo
Stevo
February 13, 2014 2:33 pm
Reply to  DCar

lol

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 13, 2014 8:43 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

To be clear is the huge ark and 2×2 of every animal literal or figurative

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 15, 2014 6:53 am
Reply to  haveacigar

literal Ciggy

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2014 1:37 pm

I consider myself a “Spiritual Person” but not a very Religious person..
and feel that “Organized Religions” our just an extension of a form of
Government and have probably caused from Death & Mayhem then any crazy Political Leader in the History of Mankind..
If you think about this for a moment about Jesus and his Cruxification and Ascension… Without these evenets, there would be no Chritianity or at least as we know it today… So when poeple say, how could the Jews crucify their own… well it had to happen this way or there would be no Christianity…
Many People feel the Bible was written by the Spirit of Good thru the Apostles and other Men… Some would say that the Bible was simply by Man to perpetuate a new Religion (Christianity)
Whose to say… Believe what you want to believe, but just don’t force it on other People … There really is no “absolute belief” either way.. .
If there was, then we would all be the same, which is probably not why God Created us Human Beings, to be to begin with…

DCar
DCar
February 12, 2014 1:54 pm
Reply to  paulman

100% agree paul. Great post.

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 2:48 pm
Reply to  paulman

sounds good- except that most gov’s in this world have outlawed Christianity since the time it came to be.

To this day… Christians all over the world are being killed for preaching the Love of the Gospels. I realize what some have done in the name of Jesus but you guys should read about how Christians are dying all over the world as they try to feed hungry people in Asia, Africa and elsewhere.

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2014 2:56 pm
Reply to  Stevo

There’s no doubt about the Persecution that is ongoing around the GLobe and your heart really goes out to the front line folks who Serve for the true meaning of Service.. These people I have nothing by admiration and repsect and prayers for, it’s the Hierarchy of these Religions that I hate and their arrogance, aloofness and are down right corrupt & full of scandal & cronyism that they have become just like the “Political Parties” that are in the Worlds Governments anymore ..
There is very little difference that I see between Government and Organized Religions … “The ends, still justify the means” in most cases..

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 4:36 pm
Reply to  paulman

agree. Thats why Christianity really was not a religion.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 3:17 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Feed and convert?
How many non Christians are killed by Christian government military actions? Any time that any religion acts in political manner then innocents die… And they tend to be the poor, children and woman…

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 4:38 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

uh… what Christian Gov’s?? Where are these Christian Gov’s that you speak of?

America? Really??

Have you been paying attention? There is only 1 religion on the planet that has raged war on the rest.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 4:54 pm
Reply to  Stevo

The industrial military complex is Christian the commander in chief a Christian. Our currency reads ‘in god we trust, our elected officials swear into office with on oath on THE BIBLE… We are a Christian nation and in responding to a Muslim attack… All in the name of organized religion and literal interpretations of books of fairy tales

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 5:14 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

have- if you think our pres is serving our country with the mindset of spreading Christianity… you are out of your mind.

clearly you have been reading some 911 conspiracy theories.

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 5:22 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

You are really reaching there HAC.

The President does not go to church, and has not since he took office.

Obviously you are trying to goad some on here with your constant “fairy tale” refernces. I guess that you think you are clever. Snarky. You probably giggle everytime you type it. I guess it gets you off…but in general you appear to have a real problem with organized religion. Funny, if you look at the site you are posting on, the site owner Garry Cobb is a religious man, just look at the True Message tab on the top of the page. Two of my most favorite Eagles of all time were religious men…Reggie White and Brian Dawkins. Like I have said previous, I NEVER discuss my religion, but when I see it under attack with stupid comments I guess I needed to speak up. I believe that you are free to believe or not believe what you want. I will never put you down for it, or ridicule you….why cannot you and others do the same?

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 5:40 pm
Reply to  greenfan

Im still waiting to hear about these “Christian government military actions”.

Where are all these Christian gov’s im hearing about?

Are they in Europe somewhere?

His argument about it being america is the weakest argument i’ve ever seen on gcobb about anything.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 5:58 pm
Reply to  greenfan

The religious threw the first grenade! I don’t care if you, g or anyone is Christian… That is your right. Just don’t use the bible
… A flawed piece to justify a war or hate… As for Obama not being Christian, you must forget about the hot button topic of the first election. You must not listen when he signs off “May god bless America” you must not watch him swear in judges or members of congress on a bible. America was founded and is still run on Christian principles… Btw many of them are good principles

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 6:27 pm
Reply to  greenfan

First grenade? You believe that dope? He is the same guy who is screaming that the government is trying to kill everyone with vaccines…..and you take that guy serious? Please go back and look at the responses to that knucklehead…..I think Jake was the only caveman that agreed with him. Don’t lump all Christians into the fringe lunatic …..there are fringes on all sides, and the vast majority should not be judged by the actions of a few.

I would really rather talk about the draft or free agency.

GO BIRDS!!!

Stevo
Stevo
February 13, 2014 1:13 am
Reply to  greenfan

Have… I see you have backed off your silly claims about Christian governments (cause there aren’t really any).

Now we are on to America and our pres saying God bless.

Notice… he doesn’t say Jesus bless. He says God… almost all Americans believe in a god.

Reminder…. it was another religion that attacked us. A religion with several counties backing it… those countries are…. you guessed it… same religion.

You can blame Christians if u want. But we both know you are wrong

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 1:13 am
Reply to  greenfan

Those Principles Ciggy are not based on Gods word

1 Timothy 4:1-3 – However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving {by those who have faith and ACCURATELY know the truth}

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 1:18 am
Reply to  greenfan

Paul’s Second Letter confirmed this at 2 Timothy 4:3-5 says, –

) For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled. 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 13, 2014 2:42 pm
Reply to  greenfan

Funny people on here seem to think they know what the President believes in eventhough the President has said many times he is a Christian. Who are you guys to doubt him? I know many Christians that do not go to church often if ever.

Stevo
Stevo
February 13, 2014 5:06 pm
Reply to  greenfan

anti,
I do not doubt that he is… the point I was making is that our Gov. is not a “christian only” Gov. I was pointing out that our pres’s over the years speak about God in the general term because they are trying to speak on behalf of all americans. I have no problem with this…. I just dont want to hear that our gov is a christian gov trying to spread Christianity.

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 3:36 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Stevo, I do read about the good works that are undertaken around the world in the name of Christ. Many good thing develop from these brave peoples actions, and as you noted, there are some who are killed for daring to help those in need and for preaching what they believe. Unfortunately there are many governments who are threatened by religion, and will imprison or kill those who spread His Word. It is a crazy world these days, where good things are ridiculed and belittled, where bad or evil things are promoted and praised and where just telling another what you believe can get you injured, imprisoned or worse. Stevo I am with you and your take on things.

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 5:44 pm
Reply to  greenfan

thanks green.

I try not to preach here. This is a place I can follow my birds.. but I cant stand by and let people speak on the subject that know little without responding.

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 3:06 pm

I am not a fan of debating ones religion in public. Religion is a personal thing, and for me it is best kept within my family and church.

I do however see where it has become very trendy these days to bash Christianity in general, and often the Catholic church in specific. I see many of the former Catholic’s (and I must admit that I was raised Catholic but am now of another Christian denomination) are often the most vocal in their animous towards organized religion. I equate it to the 15 year, 2 pack a day smoker who quits smoking and suddenly becomes the most vocal and demonstrative voice against smoking. Putting other smokers down and preaching the practice.

And as I said, it is now trendy to be anti-Christian…..why not so vocal against other organized religions? Why no such anger towards the Buhdists or Muslims? I guess there is a reason why it is popular to join the chorus against Christians, for there is no question that it is a readily accepted and promoted practice of the media and pop culture these days. Just think of the kind of backlash that many can get by just bringing up the name of Tim Tebow, and it will only prove the hatred that many feel towards Christians these days.

paulman
paulman
February 12, 2014 3:19 pm
Reply to  greenfan

I hear what your saying Greenfan and do agree that we hear more about “Chrisitanity Bashing” than the other Religions
I can only speak for myself and since I don’t know much about the Buddhist,Muslim,Toaists or other Faith’s, there is no basis for me to criticize them since I am not familiar with their Doctrines,etc,etc..
I only speak of the Catholic Faith for that’s the Religion I was brought up and know about .. I assume that we hear about it more since Catholicism is one of the dominant Religion’s in the most populated regions in the Country (northeast) and closer to the BIg CIties and Large Media Markets which is the reason that we hear about it more.. More Defectors in numbers mean more stories to tell, what gets more coverage by the Media…

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 4:05 pm
Reply to  greenfan

I only bashed Christians on here who judged this player base on his sexual preference… All organized religions, particularly the true believers are dangerous….

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 4:40 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Have- I agree with that. And I want to be clear…. As a Christian… I judge noone. Not my job. I do stands on issues but… just as I tell the youth who come through the doors of my Church…. Jesus loves you and so do I. All the junk that people throw at others… all the hatred…. its crap. The truth of God’s word is this…. we are a mess and need a savior. All of us.

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 4:41 pm
Reply to  Stevo

*take stands

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 5:31 pm

Guys

I know all the crap Christians have done. And Im sorry for that… i truly am. But honestly… think about what you guys are saying…. Are all Christians money hungry, hate filled, angry white men who want to brain wash and control the world? No.. clearly not. No more than all football players being murders or rapists. Whats so funny to me is that this was a conversation about how SOME people are prejudice against those that are gay. And what are the responses? Hate filled, ill informed, stereotypical comments about Christians. How ironic is that?

Not all Christians ignore science.. not all Christians are filled with hate. Not all Christians are Catholics or Baptists BTW (those tend to have the strongest opinions and speak out the most).

Those here that speak about Christian history are clueless. The history Chan is great for WW2 stuff but most scientists and theologians agree that it is HORRID for their theological work. Its like me citing wikipedia for medial research. Come on guys…. you are smarter than this.

If you want to know history… know this…. Christians were burned on stakes to light the streets for the Romans back in the day. Followers of Jesus were fed to the lions in the Roman Colosseum. these are facts. And it continues. All over the world Pastors are being executed TODAY for feeding people. Yes… feeding people (the governments want to keep their people hungry so they can control them).

Christianity was not “created to suppress people”. that’s just bad history. Not true. Complete fallacy. But again…. continue to be ignorant if you wish.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 6:36 pm

Green fan they threw the first grenade on this site quoting scripture condemning a young man for his sexual preferences… Not in the ill advised war.
I am an American I hate all oft he death and destruction and by nature am anti-war

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 6:52 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Funny that you have chosen to say that “they threw the first grenade” as hyperbole, and then state how you are anti war. …very ironic.

Ok…get this…I don’t care about your opinion on anything other than the Eagles….As an Eagles fan we have a common interest….otherwise I do not care. Period. Good bye.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 7:16 pm
Reply to  greenfan

Threw the first punch?, dropped the first bomb? Common figures of speech…and as you mentioned ‘hyperbole’….EXTREME
Exaggeration … Funny and you say my stance is ironic.

greenfan
greenfan
February 12, 2014 7:24 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

Do you have a 5th grade education?

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 7:27 pm
Reply to  greenfan

No… I’ve moved past fairy tales

TeamHurnt
TeamHurnt
February 12, 2014 6:57 pm

Wait hold up, people still believe in god, Jesus, Noah’s arc , Mohammed? Seriously ? I thought people stopped believing in that fairy tale nonsense in 4th & 5th grade, no?

Are there people under 12 here ? Or adults that believe in these fairy tales ? I don’t understand a grown adult believing in this hogwash. Even with tebow I thought that was just his angle he was playing.

My mind is blown

Stevo
Stevo
February 12, 2014 8:26 pm
Reply to  TeamHurnt

Albert Einstein stated that it was silly for people to look at the world and think there was no creator.

Einstein> hunt

I dont care that you think its simpleminded.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 8:30 pm
Reply to  Stevo

There is a higher power…. For a human to define or explain it is foolish….

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 2:31 pm
Reply to  haveacigar

John 1:17-18 – Because the Law was given through Moses, the undeserved kindness and the truth came to be through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god – Jesus – who is at the Father’s side is the one who “HAS EXPLAINED HIM”.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 2:33 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

And those who have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE, can repeat his explanation from the Scriptures….

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2014 4:07 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

Wasn’t “Moses” Gay … I don’t recall ever hearing about his Wife or Girlfriends or his own Kids… He did spend all that time up on Mt Sinai… I am not too sure about him….

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 4:17 pm
Reply to  paulman

His wife’s name was Zipporah….and no he wasn’t gay Paul.

He was viewed in the Bible as the meekest man who ever lived after a certain point in time, who was given the privilege to record in the Bible the Books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and part of Deuteronomy.

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2014 4:37 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

So Moses was Submissive to Zipporah… 🙂
Of Course, I am only kidding and will probably have a lighnting bolt strike me dead tonight on the way home and if this does occur, I am going to blame some of the folks on this Blog…
Moses was a great man from all accounts..

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 13, 2014 2:52 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Albert Einstein described himself as agnostic and a pantheist, basically meaning everything in the universe, including us, all encompass “God”. He did not believe in a personal “God”, like Christianity does.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 13, 2014 4:11 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

I’m asking this with all deserved respect – and how did that benefit him Trusty?

1 Corinthians 3:19 – For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, for it is written: “He catches the wise in their own cunning….

Psalms 14:1 – The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Their actions are corrupt, and their dealings are detestable; No one is doing good.

Albert Einstein was a smart man that lacked common sense, but still wasn’t smarter than God.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 14, 2014 10:04 am
Reply to  gmcliff

I really dont know. I cant claim to be religious because I’m not. Though I do respect other people religious beliefs (until they show no tolerance) and I love religious discussion. Plus I’m a huge fan of Jesus and his message. I feel like if you strive to act in love and respect like he led his life, you really can’t go wrong.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 15, 2014 6:15 am
Reply to  antitrust32

I respect your feeling on the issue as well. I may not agree with the lifestyle, but the human individual is still appreciated, and loved. In Fact the Apostle Paul said, at 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 –

9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? [Do not be misled]. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality – that would include woman as well in principle -, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners WILL NOT INHERIT GOD’S KINGDOM. 11[ And yet that is what some of you were]. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.

an unrighteous person – is not a WICKED person – So everyman has the ability to make adjustments to his thinking, and bring his heart in line with God’s THINKING and Standards – with his help, if they are willing to submit to it.

Thus everyman, – because he is loved by Jehovah is deserving of Love, and respect – however, the standards he requires for life eternal, are what they are – So, none of us can take his undeserved loving kindness for granted, and feel like he loves me anyway so I don’t have to make adjustments – AND THAT’S ALL OF US…

You’ve heard the expression once saved ALWAYS SAVED? Well, reason on this…Jude 3-7 –

I found it necessary to write you to urge you to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones. 4 My reason is that certain men have slipped in among you who were long ago appointed to this judgment by the Scriptures; they are ungodly men who turn the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for brazen conduct and who prove false to our only owner and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Although you are fully aware of all of this, I want to remind you that Jehovah, having SAVED a people out of the land of Egypt, AFTERWARD DESTROYED THOSE NOT SHOWING FAITH. 6 And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place – those in Noah’s Day, that materialized into humans, came down to earth, and had unnatural intercourse with fleshly human woman – he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day. 7 In the same manner, Sod′om and Go·mor′rah and the cities around them also gave themselves over to gross sexual immorality and pursued unnatural fleshly desires; they are placed before us AS A WARNING EXAMPLE, by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire…..

There is no such thing SCRIPTURALLY, as once saved always saved……Not even the Angels are in such a position…..so our plight as humans is even harder, because we are flesh…..

So, My heart, and prayers go out to you Anttrust, and your family…..I hope, and pray I didn’t offend you in any way, because I was not my intention. Much love, and respect to you

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 15, 2014 10:32 am
Reply to  gmcliff

See some bible thumpers use the bible to damn homosexuals others use it to declare them righteous….

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 15, 2014 2:48 pm
Reply to  gmcliff

I did neither…..

Some religious Leaders believe, just give them a place to worship, and, feel loved. But neglect to remind them of who they have an accounting with……which is another form of love

We were all created with free will, that we can’t control, but to feel that a mortal mans opinion, or personal feeling holds more weight than Gods – who can ultimately decide whether we live or die – is why this system that we live in, has gone so far off course.

Jeremiah 10: 23-25 – 23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.
24 Correct me, O Jehovah, with judgment,
But not in your anger, that you may not reduce me to nothing.
25 Pour out your wrath on the nations who ignore you
And on the families who do not call on your name.
For they have devoured Jacob,
Yes, they have devoured him to the point of extermination,
And they have desolated his homeland.

The Bible is for everybody, but everybody is not for the Bible. Because if it was then many wouldn’t be allowed to do what they personally want to do. So they heckle those who consider Gods Thinking, and opinion Superior. That type of ignorance only leads to our eventual demise………

I felt that trusty deserved respect, and I gave it to her, but I care enough for my human family enough to remind her of what’s really important…Philippians 1:8-10 reminds us –

For God is my witness of how I am longing for all of you with such tender affection as Christ Jesus has. 9 And this is what I continue praying, that your love may abound still more and more with accurate knowledge and full discernment; 10 that you may make sure of the more important things, so that you may be flawless and not stumbling others up to the day of Christ;

and I’m not a Bible Thumper. I just try to be obedient

jakedog
jakedog
February 12, 2014 8:42 pm

Do you read history team one

No one knows for scientific fact of God, Jesus

In fact the most important beliefs in life are based on faith not empirical evidence, although there is that to support my view that God exists

And I don’t need a bible to tell me that queers will always be queers, they cannot procreate and they will never be mainstreamed by scientific principles, they are an aberration to survival, and their conduct should be analyzed, scrutinized and ultimately condemned strictly on scientifiction principles of survival

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 9:18 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Yes… You have unequivocally proven your ignorance…
I agree they are not the ones to procreate and continue the species… However the species has evolved and they are not demons …the species are fine without them procreating…
Their conduct should be no more analyzed, scrutinized and ultimately condemned anymore or less than god fearing Christians and their actions

jakedog
jakedog
February 12, 2014 10:00 pm

Unless you want to survive as a species

One of the basic definitions of life forms is the instinct to procreate

Homosexuals by science are an aberration to natural law

They will weed themselves out naturally as nature always ddictates

They are a pitied lot of mutations in the gene pool

Much less pitied than cancers, etc.

haveacigar
haveacigar
February 12, 2014 10:05 pm
Reply to  jakedog

Yes the human race is in trouble because a small percentage are homos …

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 13, 2014 2:59 pm
Reply to  jakedog

first off, fuck you as you have no right to judge me and spew that vile shit, second off, humans need to change the way they treat the planet to insure survival of a species. and then they have to tell the sun that its never allowed to die like all stars do. And tell the earth it can’t have the natural cooling or heating periods its had for 4.2 billion years, or tell meteors to stay out of our way. The survival of the species has nothing to do with 5-10% of the population who are homosexual.

jakedog
jakedog
February 13, 2014 8:33 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

Just science, look up the biological definition of life forms, you are a mutation

Now as a compassionate person I feel sorry for you

But your lifestyle must never be elevated to normal relations between a male and female

Your world is against the laws of nature

greenfan
greenfan
February 13, 2014 8:58 pm
Reply to  jakedog

No person deserves to be called things like that. This board can get pretty crazy at times when it moves away from Eagles talk, but that we over the line as far as I am concerned. I may have different views and beliefs than anti and others, but to call her a mutation is ugly. Jake, I would hope that you are a better person than that. There is a whole lot more that I would like to say, but I do not believe that this is the place to preach to others. For myself I would tell antitrust that I am sorry you had to have that kind of crap thrown at you.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 14, 2014 10:12 am
Reply to  jakedog

You can feel how you want to feel, jake. do not need your pity or compassion. Your words do not stay with me, though I couldn’t read that crap without responding. My sexuality is only a very small part of who I am as a person, it does not define my heart and my thoughts, it only defines who I want to be with in a romantic situation. I rarely, if ever, feel disrespected in the “real world” because people usually get to know me for the person I am, not for something that is a small part of my makeup. Plus I came to realize that when people judge others for immaterial things like sexuality and race, it is a reflection of the person doing the judgement, it is something they must deal with and it’s not my concern to feel hurt over.

jakedog
jakedog
February 14, 2014 7:30 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

Do not equate judgement on race to judgement on homosexuality, that’s a far different moral compass

In fact, homosexuality is condemned by at least a portion of all races, that percentage is probably on the low side

I have no.personal beef with you, other than your attempt to equate your lifestyle with normal heterosexual relations

I respect your privacy, your decision to be different, and your right to exercise your preference in privacy

But I will not abdicate my speech to day that your lifestyle should not be recognized as anything but abnormal

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 13, 2014 3:12 pm
Reply to  jakedog

I may be a lesbian but I have more self esteem and more self respect than jake or songs do. I choose to live with love in my heart and not hate, though I respect myself enough to not stand for this type of bullshit language. Judge people based on their character, not things that are meaningless to your life like their race, sexuality or color of their hat. I dont care someone is black, white, straight, gay, bisexual, rich, a CEO, the President of the USA, or homeless.. I am going to like them or dislike them depending on the type of person they are in their heart and how they treat others. You, jakedog, are no better or worse than me as a human.

jakedog
jakedog
February 13, 2014 8:39 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

You are correct, and considering some of the things I have done, failed to do you may be a better person than I, I will never know

But do not caste yourself as anything but abnormal

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 13, 2014 3:20 pm
Reply to  jakedog

I’m going to add to the above…. the only people I will cast judgement on before I get to know their true character are Cowboys fans!

greenfan
greenfan
February 13, 2014 7:03 pm
Reply to  antitrust32

Lol anti….I am right their with you!!! Cowboy fans are surely the cause of all of the evil in this world!!

As far as all of the other discussion, I said it before above. I am looking forward to the day when they are judged on the sum of their character and achievements. All of the other ways that people choose to separate themselves from other people are only cause jealousies and resentments. I have always believed that assholes come in all colors, shapes and sizes, and the same can be said for genuinely good hearted people.

antitrust32
antitrust32
February 14, 2014 3:16 pm
Reply to  greenfan

thank you greenfan

vinnietheevictor
vinnietheevictor
February 13, 2014 6:43 am

Wow.

And supposedly I am the one who obsesses over certain topics.

Obviously it was a mistake checking in here in the midst of abfreekin “my faith is better than your faith” dick swinging holy war.

Biglion821
Biglion821
February 13, 2014 8:01 am

I have tried not to weigh in on this but just go back up to Cliff’s post and you’ll have your answers as to why religion has a bad name. I won’t speak on Catholics because it’s not my religion but when people put their own selfish needs in front of the true word that’s where the problems are and continue to be.

gmcliff
gmcliff
February 16, 2014 11:58 pm
Reply to  Biglion821

that’s a post by a balanced man Biggie…….

paulman
paulman
February 13, 2014 8:48 am

I guess we can Blame everything on the “Free Mason’s”

pheags88
pheags88
February 13, 2014 3:30 pm

What the hell happened here?

When it comes to Michael Sam, he better be able to play. Cause the truth is no team will want to go through the media circus if this guy is just a backup player. I don’t agree with his lifestyle but at the same time Im not going to sit here and bitch about it as if its going to effect my life in any bit.

What I cant stand though are these non football people like the John Stewarts of the world telling football players having an openly gay dude in the locker room shouldn’t bother them. Like who the fuck am I or anybody else to tell these players how to feel in a locker room…You don’t have to shower or get changed with your fellow employees at other jobs for the most part. NFL isn’t like other jobs. If a NFL player has a personal problem with being in a locker room with a openly gay dude then thats his own feelings about it. No one is in any position to force these players to feel a different way about it.

Stevo
Stevo
February 13, 2014 5:02 pm
Reply to  pheags88

agree!

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 13, 2014 9:16 pm
Reply to  Stevo

Pheags, he made a pretty good point saying that the media circus around a lot of players criminal behavior has worked out fine. So as you said, as long as you can play, you can do whatever you want, ask Ray Lewis, Michael Vick, etc.

SONGSRME2
SONGSRME2
February 13, 2014 6:44 pm

“G”? You need to post Sam’s dad statements with him stating he’s against his son getting shafted up the ass by other dudes and he wish his son would have actually continued the family’s name by being a man and raising a family like men were made to do.

Some good stuff his dad put out there.

Eaglehaslanded
Eaglehaslanded
February 13, 2014 7:14 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Thongs…..I find it interesting that you are so interested in who Sam lets get to his booty and who he’s getting butt from…lol….something you’re hiding Thongs. You don’t have to see it or be a part of this dudes life so why are you taking his life decision so personal? I keep saying…those who protest peoples life style that do not personally hurt others do so because they are afraid they are what they protest “conscious deflection”.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 13, 2014 9:24 pm
Reply to  SONGSRME2

Again, I will state that Sam could easily kick your ass Songs and is gonna play in the NFL, so keep spewing bile safely behind a keyboard.

By your rationale then, every couple that is married that doesn’t have kids are also full of non-men. While I have a friend he is a firemen/EMT who also runs ironman triathlons, but he and his wife decided not to have kids. He is about 5 times the man that you are.

You know that there are soldiers that are gay right? I would say that those men are 10 times the man you are and the women are probably at that level too.

What are your man credentials? You have a D and you like girls? Well that ain’t enough brother. That doesn’t make you any more man than anyone else.

bugsyhawk
bugsyhawk
February 13, 2014 9:27 pm

I can see what kind of man Sam Sr is by the fact that he gives crap to the only kid that he has that has made something of himself. Guess he is more proud of his straight sons in jail. Def the type of father I aspire to be.

bsmvideos
February 14, 2014 5:33 am

As a football fan I don’t think any of us care too much about player’s personal lives. I did not care for Shady’s recent public bashing of a girl he had sex with, but I forgot all about that, once he started racking up the yards…

G Cobb is correct, performance and winning is what this kid’s job is going to be. He got pushed around like a cupcake against Auburn. His stats tailed off like the old Trent Cole. I question his endurance for an entire NFL season if he could not keep it going for an entire college season. The Saints game showed that the Eagles need a player that can help stop the run…

I don’t care for Sam’s choice of sexuality. That is my choice. Choice is a right I spent 6 years of my life in the military defending for every body in this country, so I will not abdicate it, Sam has a the right to choose Homosexuality and I have a right to say otherwise, but those are personal decisions. His football career is public. And if he can fight off blocks, get penetration, (pun intended) and make sacks, I will cheer him along with the rest of the Eagles. It won’t change my personal views, and that does not matter.